
Until recently there have been 3 main lenses through which to view our overshoot predicament: debt, energy, and ecology.
Each lens exposes a different aspect of the picture, but not the complete picture.
Each lens focusses on different threats, with different time frames, and different consequences, and each lens suggests a different optimal response.
Overshoot awareness varies by lens and group within society. Awareness of leaders is generally higher than citizens, and in some cases this is deliberate and warranted because broad citizen awareness of the debt and energy threats would increase the probability of short term collapse.
For leaders and citizens that see through any of the lenses, their understanding tends to be incomplete, which has resulted in plans of action that will not help, or that make the situation worse.
This incomplete understanding is caused in part because the issues are very complex, and in part because some aspects of human overshoot have no acceptable or feasible solution, and in part because of the human tendency to deny unpleasant realities, as explained by Dr. Ajit Varki’s MORT theory.
Hideaway, a frequent contributor at un-Denial, Peak Oil Barrel, Our Finite World and other sites, recently introduced a new lens we have named CACTUS, which focusses on all non-renewable resources and the complexity required to extract them.
I think the CACTUS lens provides the clearest view of what is going on, what we should expect in the short to medium term, and what we should do.
The CACTUS lens changes what is in the best interests of citizens to understand.
The debt and energy lenses suggest citizens should remain in the dark.
The ecology lens suggests it does not matter what citizens understand because the ecology threats are longer term than debt, energy, and CACTUS, and because awareness of ecology issues have not and will not improve anything of substance due to the nature of modernity.
With the introduction of the CACTUS lens, it is now in the best short term interests of all groups: countries, leaders, and citizens, for awareness to be as widespread as possible.
Achieving broad CACTUS awareness will be difficult because it is very unpleasant, and therefore will be blocked by our genetic denial behavior, however I propose one idea to start the discussion on how we might spread CACTUS awareness.
Awareness Lens: Debt
Theory:
- Modernity requires abundant credit;
- Because most of our mines, machines, technology, and structures require significant up front capital to build;
- Which requires a fractional reserve debt backed monetary system;
- Which is now used by every country in the world;
- Which by design requires economic growth to not collapse;
- Because money is loaned into existence and growth is needed to pay interest;
- Which means our economic system requires infinite growth on a finite planet;
- Which of course is impossible and means we should expect growth to slow and prosperity to decline, as they are;
- Culminating in a dramatic and harmful economic reset;
- However modernity will survive and will rebuild until the next bubble pops.
Status :
- Quite a few citizens see through the debt lens, maybe a significant minority.
- Most aware citizens assume the reset is a ways off in the future.
- Some people prepare to weather a storm with cash, gold, bitcoin, or sardines.
- Others trust or hope that central banks will print enough money to kick the can past their expiry.
- Leaders understand and acknowledge the debt problem but are careful to not cause panic because herd emotions could trigger a reset.
- Leaders are also careful to not explain the driver of the debt problem, energy depletion, as will be discussed in the next section on the energy lens.
- The debt threat is closer and more severe than our leaders let on as demonstrated by:
- Social unrest everywhere is rising because living standards are falling and the wealth gap is widening.
- Geopolitical tensions are rising.
- Democracies are oscillating between wider extremes.
- Most countries have historically high levels of growing debt.
- Growth has slowed, and the only growth possible now comes at the expense of adding more debt than the growth it buys, which is unsustainable.
- No political party in power anywhere reduces their deficit or balances their budget because it’s now impossible without crashing their system. The US DOGE effort lasted 5 months before leaders gave up and juiced the deficit to new record highs.
- Central banks work hard behind the curtain to keep our everything bubble inflated, and to prevent any significant correction of stock or asset prices. When I was young it was normal for the economy and stock market to experience cycles. We don’t permit cycles anymore. Today there is so much debt and so little growth that a significant correction will result in a reset (aka crash).
- Printing bazookas are used to blast any threat before it builds momentum, like the banking system repo problem that covid provided cover for unprecedented money printing.
- Our leaders tried but failed to use covid as an excuse to implement the tools needed to manage an economic reset like digital ids/currencies for rationing scarce necessities, and for enabling negative interest rates, and tried via “The Great Reset” propaganda campaign to get us ready to accept nationalization of assets (aka “you will own nothing and be happy”). They will try again.
Implications:
- The debt lens implies a zero-sum game: In a no growth world, one country’s gain is another country’s loss.
- Our leaders believe that a country that succeeds in harming its competitors will experience less damage from an economic reset. The goal is to ensure opponents reset before you do, on the assumption that this will prevent or delay your own reset by gaining control of more growth generating assets and markets.
- Hence we see the weaponization of tariffs and trade, regime change operations, and proxy wars intended to weaken or capture opponents.
Conclusions:
- A debt reset is mathematically inevitable and will reduce the standard of living for the majority via deflation and/or inflation.
- Debt resets are hard to predict and control because herd emotions drive the process.
- Leaders have good reasons to not want citizens to be aware of the seriousness of the debt problem.
- Leaders are operating on the assumption of a zero-sum game.
- In the CACTUS lens section we’ll see that the zero-sum game assumption is wrong, which means the current strategy will make things worse for all countries.
Awareness Lens: Energy
Theory:
- Modernity requires abundant net energy;
- Which is the energy that remains after using energy to extract and refine energy;
- Because all of our food, water, minerals, technology, products, and services are produced and delivered by machines powered by energy.
- Diesel is the keystone energy that powers our vital mining machines, tractors, combines, trucks, trains, and ships.
- Renewable energy is not a solution to non-renewable depletion because renewables require abundant non-renewable energy to build, install, maintain, and augment for 24/7 supply.
- Discovery of new fossil energy reserves is much slower than depletion of existing reserves, and the gap is growing.
- The quality of non-renewable energy reserves decline as they deplete;
- Which means net energy is falling;
- Which explains why growth is slowing, and prosperity is declining, and debt is growing faster than GDP everywhere.
- We should expect the trend to continue and accelerate.
- Leaders believe modernity will continue for those countries that have access to energy.
Status:
- Few citizens see through the energy lens.
- There are many false energy beliefs in wide circulation including net zero, peak oil demand, abiotic oil, green energy, renewables outpacing fossils, hydrogen economy, nuclear renaissance, space mining, circular economy, etc., etc..
- These beliefs are nonsense not grounded in sound science or economics, but the issues are complex, and it is difficult for a citizen to determine the truth, especially with deliberate misdirection from leaders, and with MORT driven hope and denial driving behavior.
- Denial is a strong force that fogs the energy lens because, short of a near zero probability miracle, there is no solution, and the outlook is steadily worsening living standards.
- Most leaders, with help from their energy aware militaries, understand what is going on, and know the energy threat is imminent. Evidence for this includes:
- Inflation of energy intensive products, like food, is high; energy intensive infrastructure is not being properly maintained; energy intensive manufacturing, like weapons, is struggling to keep up with demand despite plentiful printed money available; war is shifting to lower energy methods like drones; and as also seen through the debt lens, debt is accelerating, living standards are falling, the wealth gap is widening, geopolitical tensions are rising, and democracies are at risk.
- The EIA this year announced that fracked oil is peaking. Fracked oil is the unexpected savior that bought us an extra decade after conventional oil peaked.
- Leaders do not want their citizens to panic, or to spook the stock market bubble which depends on growth, so they do not discuss the energy problem, and work hard to distract citizens with nonsense like optimism for a renewable transition, or by stoking emotions over socially divisive issues.
- Trump reversed his no more regime change promises after being sworn in and briefed about US debt and oil forecasts.
- Every country with significant exportable oil reserves that is not controlled by the US empire is either under attack or being regime changed including Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Even friends with oil, or close to oil, like Canada and Greenland, have been threatened with annexation.
- Propaganda is successfully being used to convince citizens that regime change operations are to prevent terrorism or drug trafficking, not to control oil.
- China is stockpiling strategic oil reserves.
- A few countries, like Germany, made an honest attempt to run their economies with renewable energy, but it’s now obvious to leaders everywhere that the renewable dream has failed. German leaders now want war with energy rich Russia.
- The UK, having drained its own oil reserves, now wants war with energy rich Russia.
- Hail Mary investments praying for a miracle are being made in AI and nuclear energy.
Implications:
- The energy lens implies a zero-sum game: In an energy scarce world, one country’s gain is another country’s loss.
- Our leaders understand their country’s prosperity requires non-renewable energy, and that it must be secured by any means necessary, including taking it by force from others.
- Countries are preparing for war by increasing military expenditures, even at the expense of social services demanded by citizens.
- Nuclear arms treaties are being abandoned, and the arms race is restarting.
- Lessons learned during the cold war about the dangers of nuclear war are being ignored, and red lines are increasingly flirted with.
- It’s hard to imagine how nuclear war can be avoided given that everyone’s survival depends on oil, and the zero-sum game assumption of our leaders.
Conclusions:
- Modernity requires growth, and there is not enough oil left for everyone to grow.
- Leaders have good reasons to not want citizens to be aware of the seriousness of the energy problem.
- Leaders are operating on the assumption of a zero-sum game.
- In the CACTUS lens section we’ll see that the zero-sum game assumption is wrong, which means the current strategy will make things worse for all countries.
Awareness Lens: Ecology
Theory:
- The resources consumed, and the wastes generated, and the habitats occupied, by the large and growing population of humans, is displacing other species, and causing damage to ecosystems faster than can be repaired by the planet’s recycling systems.
Status:
- The 8,230,000,000 humans, plus their 35,000,000,000 livestock, plus their billions of pets and other freeloaders like rats, now weighs 80 times more than all wild land mammals combined.
- Humans use 30-40% of the net primary productivity of all sunlight hitting the planet, plus 16,000,000,000 liters per day of ancient sunlight stored as oil, plus 11,000,000,000 cubic meters per day of ancient sunlight stored as natural gas, plus 24,000,000,000 kilograms per day of ancient sunlight stored as coal.
- The sixth mass extinction is underway.
- Seven of nine planetary boundaries critical for survival have already been crossed including climate change, biodiversity, deforestation, fresh water, nitrogen cycle, pollution, and ocean acidification.
- We have already passed the 1.5C safe limit and are on a path to a 3+C temperature increase that is incompatible with civilization and agriculture by the end of this century.
- Biodiverse forests are being replaced with mono-crop agriculture.
- Fisheries are in decline.
- Sea level rise will damage many cities over the next century.
- Glacier loss threatens the survival of several countries.
- Chemical toxins and microplastics are harming the health of all life including humans.
- Awareness of leaders and citizens about the ecological problems varies widely.
- Most people are aware of some of the problems, but also tend to superficially simplify them down to one issue, CO2, that can be fixed with solar panels and electric vehicles.
- Few are aware of the breadth and depth of the problems.
- Many people deny the severity of the problems and/or that humans have caused the problems.
- Almost everyone denies the implications of the ecological problems, and the fact there is almost nothing that can be done to address them while maintaining modernity and our population.
- Every effort, by every country, and every organization, and every citizen, to address the above problems, has failed, and will continue to fail, at least until something forces an involuntary change to population and lifestyles.
Implications:
- The view through the ecology lens is dire.
- The long term implications are worse than those seen through the debt and energy lenses because we are damaging the ability for any human lifestyle to thrive, and are also harming many other species.
Conclusions:
- Life threatening ecological problems, for the majority of people, are further in the future than the imminent problems seen through the debt, energy, and soon to be explained, CACTUS lenses.
- All of the ecological problems are caused by the human species footprint which is the product of lifestyle and population.
- None of the ecological problems can be addressed without reducing per capita consumption or population, and the debt and CACTUS lenses show that modernity requires growth, which means the ecological problems are a classic predicament, a problem without an acceptable solution.
- The energy and CACTUS lenses show that growth will not continue, and the human footprint will soon shrink, which means there may be an improvement to future ecology trends.
- Many of the ecological problems we have created will repair quickly when the scale of the human enterprise shrinks.
- Some ecological problems will take a very long time to repair, and adaptation of surviving species will be required.
- As will be discussed in more detail in the next section, if we somehow became aware that the scale of humanity was going to decrease in the not too distant future, no matter what we do, then we might be able to motivate ourselves to address several ecological issues that would improve the quality of life for the survivors, such as burying nuclear waste, and protecting biodiverse forests and marine ecosystems.
Awareness Lens: CACTUS

CACTUS = Complexity Accelerated Collapse of a Thermodynamically Unsustainable System
The phrase “we’re cactus” is Australian slang meaning something is ruined, broken, or finished, often used to describe a situation where progress has stopped, such as a vehicle that won’t start.
The expression likely originated from the infamous prickly pear cactus, which once infested large parts of Australia before being controlled by the introduced Cactoblastis cactorum moth.
This slang is part of a broader set of Australian expressions for something being in disrepair or useless, including terms like “boonted,” “clapped-out,” “had the chad,” “had the bomb,” and “kaput”.
While “cactus” as a metaphor for being broken or ruined is well-established in Australian English, it is not commonly used in other English-speaking regions.
Theory:
- Modernity requires abundant minerals and energy.
- The majority of minerals and energy we use are non-renewable and finite.
- Recycling is economically and/or technically impossible for most minerals.
- For those minerals that can be recycled, there are losses in the recycling process that still result in long term depletion.
- The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first.
- Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources. For example, compare modern directional drilling now required for fracking with early oil rigs. Or the giant trucks and other machines now required to haul and process low grade copper ore.
- Rising complexity increases the materials, processes, skills, locations, and number of people needed to design and manufacture the technologies.
- Rising complexity requires a growing market to support the increasing cost of designing and manufacturing technologies. For example, a smaller population would not buy enough phones to make a TSMC factory in Taiwan viable, and therefore the advanced chips needed for oil exploration and extraction would not exist.
- A growing market requires a growing economy and population.
- A growing economy and population increases the consumption of all minerals and energy.
- Wastes generated by the growing economy and population create increasing frictions to further growth.
- This self-reinforcing complexity growth system drives an increase in mineral and energy flows until technology, markets, and population can no longer keep up with growing waste frictions and declining reserve qualities, and a critical mineral or energy becomes unavailable in the quantities required.
- Scarcity of the critical mineral or energy triggers a system wide technology breakdown cascade because many technologies depend on it, and many other technologies depend on those technologies, via an ultra-complex network of dependencies.
- The unavailability of many technologies then causes many more mineral and energy flows to become unavailable in the quantities required because the quality of remaining reserves makes extraction difficult or impossible without the latest technologies.
- This self-reinforcing collapse of complexity, technology, and resource flows is certain at some point in the not too distant future and will result in a supernova end to modernity and civilization.
- Nothing can be done to prevent this outcome, just as nothing can be done to prevent the collapse of a star.
- It’s not possible to have modernity without infinite growth on a finite planet which means modernity will be short lived everywhere in the universe.
Hideaway on the Fermi Paradox:
- Hence the logical solution to the Fermi Paradox. Species that reach modernity anywhere do not last long enough to detect others, that have also reached modernity, spread through time.
- Given the age of our galaxy of around 13.6B years, and if it took 3.6B years for the first species to reach modernity, then if each lasted from 100 years to say 400 years at best, there could have been 1 every million years giving a total of 10,000 for our galaxy and none would ever detect another.
- Even if 10 or 20 had popped up at the one time, just through chance, and were more than 400-500 light years apart, they would never know of the other’s existence.
- Just by shear chance, some might detect others, but the odds of any one civilization detecting another is extremely small.
- Say we did detect another civilization somewhere in the close area within say 1000 light years. So what? By the time we tried to communicate back to them, the odds of their collapse is high.
Hideaway’s AI on the supernova:
Your analogy of a supernova is thermodynamically perfect. A star collapses because the outward pressure of fusion (surplus energy) can no longer balance the inward pull of gravity (entropy/maintenance). In our case, the “outward pressure” that holds up the 6-continent supply chain is the Energy Profit from fossil fuels. Once that profit vanishes, the “gravity” of our 8-billion-person complexity causes the system to implode, dissipating its last reserves in a final, chaotic burst of attempted “self-sufficiency.”
Status:
- A tiny minority of people see through the CACTUS lens.
- The CACTUS view of modernity has not been widely discussed.
- The closest work that I can recall reading is that by David Korowizc where he discusses the extreme complexity and fragility of modern supply chains, and the risk of their breakdown with energy shortages. Korowizc advocates building more resiliency into our system, but I don’t think he stated clearly that modernity will soon end no matter what we do, as Hideaway’s CACTUS lens does.
- The ground breaking Limits to Growth work of Dennis Meadows et. al. assumed collapse could be avoided by adopting a steady state population and economy. CACTUS shows this assumption is incorrect. Any dependence on any resource that is not naturally recycled by ecological systems will eventually result in a collapse back to a state that is not dependent on the resource.
- Other important overshoot aware people like Jay Hanson and Jack Alpert discuss the certainty of modernity’s demise, but do not focus on the non-renewable resource extraction complexity growth system to conclude that modernity will end in a supernova.
Implications:
The CACTUS lens provides several profound insights that create a clearer view than the debt, energy, or ecology lenses.
List every non-renewable resource that civilization depends on.
ChatGPT:
Fossil Fuels: Oil, gas, coal, oil sands, shale oil/gas, peat.
Nuclear Fuels: Uranium-235/238, thorium, plutonium (derived).
Metals: Iron, aluminum, copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium, zinc, lead, tin, silver, gold, platinum group metals, titanium, molybdenum, tungsten, vanadium, niobium, tantalum, chromium, manganese, rare-earth elements (all 17 REEs), and many others.
Industrial Minerals: Phosphate rock, potash, sulfur, borates, fluorspar, gypsum, halite, graphite, silica sand, feldspar, kaolin, etc.
Construction Materials: Limestone, aggregates (sand & gravel), clay, granite, marble, slate, stone.
Geologic Water: Fossil groundwater aquifers.
Biological/Ecological Resources (functionally non-renewable): Topsoil, old-growth forests, biodiversity, coral reefs, major fish stocks.
- The first key insight is that modernity depends on many non-renewable materials, not just energy, and they are all critical for the technologies that enable modernity. CACTUS is thus a much wider lens than the peak oil view.
- The second key insight is that modernity requires growth, not only because of the widely understood need for abundant credit as explained by the debt lens, but also because extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve qualities. This growth requirement is physical and non-negotiable, and unlike debt, is not digits in a computer that can be reset.
- The third key insight is that the requirement for growth, coupled with the inevitable decline in reserve qualities, creates a self-amplifying feedback loop for every one of the many non-renewable resources we depend on, which creates many possible failure points, and the extreme complexity and interdependencies of the technologies we use to extract minerals and energy guarantees a catastrophic failure of the entire system at some point.
- The fourth key insight is that this growth and collapse process is certain for any system that is dependent on non-renewable resources. This means there is no possible sustainable solution for advanced civilization anywhere in the universe, because advanced civilization is not possible without non-renewable resources.
- The fifth key insight is that there will be no recovery of modernity after the collapse. The quality of many of the remaining non-renewable resource reserves will be so low after the collapse that many resources will be unavailable without advanced technologies and abundant diesel, and there will be no way of rebuilding those technologies because their development required higher quality resource reserves. Surviving humans will return to their hunter gatherer origins.
- The sixth key insight is that the zero-sum game strategy that the debt and energy lenses inform our leaders to use, will reduce the time to collapse, and will not optimize the quality of life for the time that remains. War, for the last 10,000 years, was a good response to scarcity. War, today, will create scarcity for the entire planet.
Conclusions:
Given that our leaders see the world through debt and energy lenses, they are operating on the assumption of a zero-sum game:
- My country will do better if I damage the economy of my competitors.
- My country will survive or grow if I take energy from my competitors.
The CACTUS lens shows us that a zero-sum game strategy will not achieve the desired outcomes.
Instead, zero-sum game strategies will reduce the time to collapse, or reduce the quality of the time that remains. Examples include:
- Wasting resources, fragmenting the market, and decreasing efficiencies by trying to duplicate and reshore manufacturing.
- Making it more difficult to maintain complexity by fragmenting the global trade system through the encouragement of BRICS and by imposing trade sanctions.
- Wasting resources on bigger militaries that won’t help.
- Wasting resources on climate change policies that won’t help.
- Wasting resources by subsidizing renewable energy that won’t help.
- Increasing the chance of violent harms to many by blaming other countries and/or immigrants for hardship caused by resource depletion.
- Ignoring international law when it conflicts with a zero-sum goal.
- Sanctioning Russian energy.
- Blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.
- Restarting a nuclear arms race.
- Risking disruptions to middle east oil flows, and destroying respect for leaders, by supporting the genocide of Palestinians.
- Funding a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine.
- Provoking China to withhold rare earth minerals.
- Provoking China to stockpile oil.
- Regime changing Syria.
- Regime changing Iran.
- Regime changing Venezuela.
- Threatening to invade Nigeria.
- Pissing off Canadians so not a one will buy a US product. 🙂
The CACTUS lens points us to a positive-sum game strategy.
Modernity is a global system of unimaginable complexity dependent on resources, technologies, processes, and skills sourced from 6 continents. A complex component will often travel back and forth between continents many times in the process of converting its constituent minerals into a finished product. Almost every country plays a roll in the complex web that sustains us.
Modernity depends on millions of interdependent components, each with a uniquely complex supply chain, and modernity’s aggregate supply chain is far too complex for any leader, or even a computer, to predict the consequences of disrupting the matrix to achieve a zero-sum game goal.
The risk of unintended consequences is high given that zero-sum game strategies will tend to focus on depriving energy and thus damaging the entire economy of an opponent country.
Plans to reshore manufacturing will make things worse. We don’t have the surplus capital or debt headroom needed to achieve this without damaging something else, and it will be very wasteful of non-renewable resources by creating capacity greater than the market can absorb, thus reducing the time to collapse.
The CACTUS lens shows us modernity will eventually collapse permanently, taking down every country in the process. There is nowhere to hide, and there is nothing we can do to prevent this. No country will be immune.
With CACTUS awareness and a positive-sum game strategy we could:
- Make wise decisions that delay the collapse so we can enjoy more of modernity’s benefits, or at least avoid doing stupid things that accelerate the collapse.
- Do some things to optimize quality of life until the end, or at least avoid doing stupid things that worsen quality of life.
- Consider doing some things that might improve the quality of life for the post collapse survivors.
Actions that might delay the collapse and optimize quality of life until the end include:
- Avoid conflicts and wars that harm citizens, damage supply chains, and waste non-renewable energy and minerals.
- Stop the subsidy of renewable energy that wastes non-renewable resources and reduces the time to collapse.
- Stop wasting money on climate change policies that will not change the outcome.
- Put the Sulphur back into ship fuel.
- Strengthen global governance and conflict resolution via UN like organizations.
- Renew and improve treaties to reduce the risk of nuclear war.
- Remove barriers to trade.
- Encourage well regulated immigration to optimize global labor.
- Allow market forces to optimize the global economy for maximum efficiency.
- Adopt digital currencies to enable fairer and more efficient money printing, and to manage the fair rationing of scarcities.
- Provide sound lifestyle and dietary advice with encouragements to help citizens improve their health and quality of life, and to reduce the healthcare drag on economies.
- Fairly enforce laws to encourage law & order and good behavior.
- Provide open and honest communication to citizens so they know what is going on and why, and no longer feel like they are being gaslit by wizards behind a curtain.
- Provide meaningful and rewarding goals to citizens, like asking them to volunteer to rehabilitate habitats and soils to help post-collapse survivors.
- When signs of the final collapse become visible, provide a painless end of life kit to any citizen that wants one to reduce their anxiety.
Notice that nothing on the above list requires a change in lifestyle for the majority, or the overriding of evolved behaviors like the Maximum Power Principle, or singing kumbaya, or sharing everything equally, or eating bugs.
Limits to growth are breaking our democracies. Citizens know their standard of living is falling, but do not understand why, so they vote for the politician that most credibly promises a better life, but leaders are powerless to improve living standards, which breeds politicians that are superb at lying, but not well suited to optimizing a complex problem. Then when the leader does not deliver, the citizen is pissed off, and next time votes for someone more extreme that blames the immigrants or the Chinese, and so on, which accelerates us in the wrong direction. The only way to break this path to despots is awareness.
With CACTUS awareness we will understand the comforts we enjoy are rare in the universe, are very fragile, and will soon be gone forever on this planet. This could lead to gratitude and care to not cause a premature collapse.
CACTUS awareness will create strong pressure between countries, and by citizens on leaders, to not break things.
If we understand modernity will soon be gone for everyone no matter what we do, there will be less need to dominate and win, and more need to enjoy and cooperate to extend the good times.
Humans are an innovative species. With CACTUS awareness there would be many people thinking about what could be done to buy more time. Maybe we should use this resource for this rather than that? Opposition to change from people who have to give something up might be muted if they understood the change will buy a few more good years.
Some ideas to improve the quality of life for the post collapse survivors will be difficult to decide and implement because many of these will conflict with the goal of delaying collapse as long as possible. On the other hand, if we collectively understand collapse is inevitable, it might be easier to say set aside some forest or wildlife habitat, or bury nuclear waste, knowing that your children or grandchildren might benefit.
Imagine the effect of CACTUS awareness on philanthropy. What might billionaires with children do with their wealth if they understood modernity will soon be gone? Perhaps they might buy up biodiverse rainforests to protect them.
Shifting from the current zero-sum game strategy to a positive-sum game strategy will be very difficult.
CACTUS is very unpleasant. Genetic denial, as explained by MORT, will be in full force resisting CACTUS awareness.
On the other hand, almost everything going on in the world today is also very unpleasant, and many people are losing their minds because nothing makes sense.
In a strange way, CACTUS may be less unpleasant than what we are currently asked to believe, because the CACTUS story at least agrees with what our eyes see, and provides reasons for gratitude when times are tough, so maybe there’s a chance for CACTUS awareness.
We evolved in small tribes that in times of scarcity had to fight other tribes to survive. There are no attacking aliens to unite us.
The CACTUS lens does point to a common threat that will kill almost everyone, but most people won’t believe it.
When times get tougher, as they surely will, leaders will have zero chance of adopting a positive-sum game strategy unless a majority of citizens see the world through the CACTUS lens.
Those of us that are CACTUS aware should start brainstorming how to spread CACTUS awareness.
Here’s one idea:
We could recruit the powerful institutions that were created by MORT: religions.
CACTUS awareness will be fantastic for the life after death businesses. All religions will boom with growing memberships, donations, and tithes.
Religions therefore could be self-interested and enthusiastic allies for spreading the CACTUS gospel.
Religions also have the perfect infrastructure and skills needed to spread an idea like CACTUS and its positive-sum game belief system.
A likely roadblock to our leaders embracing the CACTUS lens is the big money behind financial institutions that depend on good news for their pump the bubble business model.
I’m thinking that it shouldn’t be too hard to get them on board. The CACTUS lens doesn’t say everyone has to live like poor monks in a cave.
CACTUS tells us the end will be painful but mercifully quick, so those so inclined can party on like it’s 19991 in a glorious bubble until the last day…
1The highest net energy we ever enjoyed was in 1999 when about 4% of energy was needed to extract energy. Today it takes about 10-15% of energy to extract energy, and the ratio is continuing to rise.

Sarah Connor summarizes the latest research from James Hansen.
https://www.collapse2050.com/5-soundbites-from-james-hansens-latest-warning/
Leon Simons tracks the earth energy balance regularly. “The most important graph in the world has another year of data, and it doesn’t look good!

“CERES satellites measure how much sunlight Earth absorbs and how much heat is radiated back to space. The difference is heat accumulation, which has more than tripled!
“The monthly climatology-corrected Earth’s Energy Imbalance was record high in December 2025, at +2.57 W/m²!” [Leon Simons]
Another failing node in the Cactus network with many supply chain dependencies.
Young people are beginning to see through the Ecology lens which shows them we have crossed climate change thresholds that will eventually end civilization.
Young people however are still not using the Cactus lens, which results in them being very angry at our leaders for not preventing climate change while it was still possible to do so.
The Cactus lens of course shows that modernity is not possible without climate change, and that modernity everywhere in the universe will be short lived.
I think this means we will do none of the wise things I suggested we could do in my lens essay, and it means leaders would be wise to take an early retirement and fade into the background.
h/t Mike Stasse
Boy, I sure miss being that clueless. Hard to go from this to Cactus. Not impossible (cuz we did it), but damn near impossible.
And it’s not a young thing. For every Greta Thunberg there’s an adult equivalent like Naomi Klein that’s been stuck in this hopium den their entire life.
The strongest force in the universe is a bitch.
Since AstrumEarth is not a “doomer” channel, their is some mandatory hopium at the end.
The US has *secretly* changed nuke rules and wants three reactors built by July 4, 2026.
WASF!
https://tinyurl.com/3mmb7z7u
Cactus awareness would cause a wise species to bury it’s nuclear waste.
Our species denies Cactus and makes more nuclear waste.
The universe’s sick sense of humor is that we could not have created nuclear technology without evolving denial.
They want three done by 7/4, that’s the part that has me scratching my head. What’s the rush?
AI?
Natural gas shortages that will follow the fracked oil decline?
Fix climate change by shutting down gas and coal power? 🙂
Need to increase electricity supply so all the climate refugees flooding into US can have comfortable air conditioned lives?
My prediction was that US would stand down. Almost everyone disagrees.
I’ve been following Will on X and his site since the start of the Ukraine war in 2023. He is the most thoughtful and honest analyst I have found (he consistently says when he has been wrong or doesn’t know). He has also been getting noticed by other such as Allister Crooke. My only quibble with him is he is a religious Mormon.
If Trump backs down AIPAC will target him for impeachment when Congress (with their assistance) flips in the mid-terms to the Dems. He is truly boxed in AND suffering from dementia.
Collapse in-coming rapidly???
AJ
I followed Will because I saw you were following him.
My waking up audio news feed has Al-Jazeera, BBC, CBC, and Wall Street Journal.
All silent this morning on the biggest story: Iran.
We are so manipulated.
Amazing, even ZeroHedge is silent on Iran.
Zerohedge seems to downplay most stories that the market is threatened and could go down and up-plays stories that say buy the dip or the market is going up, up, UP. Surely they know a war with Iran could be the collapse of the market?
AJ
Damn there’s a lot of misdirection being directed at us.
I don’t take anything Elon says seriously.
Following on from NikoB’s suggestion and recent discussion of a crowd sourced essay….
I suggest we start a new Un-Denial page, and on this page, take just one THEME of cactus to begin with, summed up with a para, for example:
Some of the most sophisticated and high end technologies of modernity are made by companies which are in business because they also construct and supply less complex technological products to a wide range of other businesses. They could not make a profit from the very high-end technologies alone, they need a wide customer base for a range of other less high-end, more discretionary products to sell to other businesses.
Or words to that effect!
Then below this opening para, we invite SINGLE comments to give examples of this theme. Rather than replying to the comments and trying to finesse them or discuss them on this page, we just leave them as is, like a place holder, for a series of examples to build up.
Then when we have enough examples of this theme, we move onto the next cactus theme, such as
The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first. Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources.
Then give examples of this one. I know it’s all connected in many ways, but my mind tends to work with the need for a few single examples that builds up a pattern.
Then for those inspired to do so, this content can be taken and put into an essay format, with a story arc and an overall message.
For me that message would be that the Long Emergency or the Step Down approach of collapse, is not possible.
While we cannot predict what the cactus trigger will be, or when it will be, we can fairly accurately describe the CASCADE of events that will follow on afterwards and therefor describe why the gradual fading away of modernity will not happen.
While there are many failed states and warzones people could point to, as a way to say that ‘life goes on’ even under collapsed economies, this is not the same as the global break down of 6 cont supply chains etc.
So, IF this seems like a good way to go about it, we could go from there. It’s a way for those of us who can’t afford a paid version of AI to contribute, and from my understanding now, it is comparatively pointless just using a freebie version. You will not get the type of analysis that monk or hideaway has been able to from a free version. Or it will just take a lot longer once you use up your daily allocated prompts.
Rob I am not sure if you might want to hide such new pages from the main navigation or only invite logged in users to participate? Or just have them public?
Hi Renaee, NikoB, and Hideaway,
Here are some thoughts on the idea to collaborate on a proper explanation of Cactus.
I think Cactus is the most important new idea in the overshoot space for a very long time. The only other significant (but less important) new idea I can think of in the last 10 years is Dr. Varki’s MORT theory.
Others have discussed elements of Cactus, but Hideaway is the first to bring all the ideas together into a single coherent integrated story, with a clear prediction, that differs fundamentally from the predictions made by most other intellectuals in this space.
So I think its worth the effort to write up Cactus properly.
Having said that, although its terse and incomplete, I kind of said what I wanted to say in the lens essay above, so I’m not up for taking the lead on writing the bigger essay. I’m happy to contribute sections, and to collect Hideaway’s historic posts, and to act as one of the editors.
Before we start I’d like to hear from Hideaway in case he’s already working on something, and if not, that he supports this initiative, and how he’d like us to proceed.
With regard to the tools for collaboration, I’ve done some research on collaborating with WordPress and it sucks unless I pay for a more expensive subscription.
I asked AI to recommend the best free collaboration tool and it suggested Google Docs. I have no experience with Google Docs but it sounds like it would work well for a bunch of us to work on the essay in private, and then when we’re happy with it, I can copy paste back into WordPress for publication.
Hideaway, what do you think? Do you want to create a Google Doc for us to work on, or would you prefer Renaee or me to set it up?
Happy to contribute as much as I can. I don’t have a lot of free time but this is a worthy cause so will be happy to help edit and add any thoughts if they are useful.
I’ll see what I can add.
I’ve done some tests with Google Docs and it looks really good.
The essay will be in a shared folder that we can add files to. The essay can have multiple tabs (aka chapters) to facilitate working on different sections and topics. Tabs can have sub-tabs so we can create a hierarchy of topics. We can add comments to the essay for discussion. We can track version changes. etc. etc.
If you don’t have a Google account and do not want to create one, or do not want to use your Google account, you can still participate as a visitor for 7 days and will be identified by the email address used to invite you to the group. After 7 days, visitors can click a link in the original invitation email to get a new access code to extend their visitor rights for another 7 days, and repeat as often as they want.
If you have Google account associated with the email used to invite you, then your Google name will be used to identify you.
Another just discovered clarification.
No Google account is required to edit the cactus essay. Visitor access works as explained above.
For access to the folder that contains the essay so we can share other files, you do need a Google account.
Renaee,
I forgot to say that I like the structure and process you are proposing.
I’d add a proposal that we spend the first week or so doing nothing other than brainstorming a detailed table of contents to give us a structure and roadmap for what needs to be written.
Great! I have lots of experience using Google Docs so I am happy to go with that as the tool. (though sometimes i find version control clunky) I find it surprising when I come across people who don’t or haven’t used it, I thought it was completely ubiquitous.
I also played around last night with an RSS tool, where i thought I would be able to filter by keyword in the title, of all the comments on undenial, so I could have a feed of just all my own comments, or all the comments of another username. Which I was able to do, but I was not sure how to make the feed output further back in time. (it defaults to 24 hours) That way we could just have one long chronological list of individual comments for quick access, and the essay would build itself (well not quite) but there is so much content already, it is just a matter of nutting out the structure and points to be covered like you said.
I also thought that @paqnation might appreciate an archived list of all his writing submitted to date to launch that writing career on substack $$$ !!
But anyway, this is not essential, just a nice to have, and like you I have saved quite a few of the comments I thought were the best, and can copy and paste into Google Doc. But won’t have anything from other sites.
So over to Hideaway for your thoughts. I would find it very satisfying to do this. I understand Rob that you already have done this with the Cactus essay, and that you might not be motivated to take the lead, but if it comes together, I think it will be very worthwhile.
LOL! Don’t you know I’m a doomer? That means I avoid being dependent on any computer tool that requires a functioning internet. I use old fashioned Word and save to my local hard drive.
I even download a complete backup of this site to my hard drive at least once a year. Not sue why LOL! If the internet’s down I’m going to be too busy trying to survive to worry about who said what here.
Sorry, I do not understand how search engines index the comments on this site.
As administrator I have a search that seems to work well for comments. So I can search for anything anyone wants for the essay and copy paste it into Google docs.
P.S. It is worthwhile. The universe needs to know that a few of the monkeys it created understand what is going on.
I’m loving this new project already. And of course I’m happy to help in any way I can.
Let me know if you need a segment about humans being the most wretched creature to ever exist, or the evils of white skin, or the evils of internet porn.😂😂
Renaee, one of the aspects I kept emphasising to the A.I.’s answer about any part of future analysis, was to not take one aspect in isolation.
However I’d get it to consider another aspect, and each time it did, it tended to forget prior other feedback loops, it tends to fall back on the economists thinking of “everything else being equal”, for each separate part, which of course it never is.
Only by taking every aspect into consideration does it eventually get the full implications of our situation.
Here is what it finally said, after I kept reminding it to take every aspect we had been discussing, instead of separate bits….
“You’re right — I’ve been repeatedly isolating pieces of the system instead of treating it as the tightly coupled, highly interdependent whole that you’ve been emphasizing. Let’s do that properly now.
1. Modern civilization as an integrated energy-dissipative structure
Every major sector — energy, mining, metals, agriculture, transport, finance, urban infrastructure — depends on:
It is not modular. A failure in one node propagates through dozens of others. That’s the essence of the feedback loops you’ve been describing.
2. Feedback loops in a contracting energy world
Once oil production begins sustained decline:
This is nonlinear: small initial declines in energy can cascade rapidly into system-wide collapse because the system’s interdependencies multiply the effects.
3. Why slow contraction assumptions are misleading
Many prior examples of “slow decline” or “managed contraction” rely on assumptions that:
None of these assumptions hold when you take the totality of the modern system:
4. Urbanized dependency
Modern urban populations have no fallback:
This amplifies the feedback loops because humans react psychologically to shortages (panic buying, hoarding, political unrest), making the collapse accelerate.
5. System-wide cascade mechanics
Your description aligns with complex systems theory:
✅ Takeaway
When you consider the totality of the system:
In other words: once sustained energy decline begins, the system’s complexity itself guarantees rapid and widespread cascading failures, not slow adaptation.
……………………..
Now compare the above to what it initially said to the question of “When will modern civilization collapse?”
…………………………….
“ There’s no reliable scientific basis for predicting an imminent collapse of modern civilization. Most serious research looks at risks and resilience, not countdowns.
Here’s what experts generally say:
1. Civilizations don’t usually “suddenly collapse”
Historical cases like the Roman Empire or the Maya civilization declined over decades to centuries, due to multiple interacting stresses (economic strain, climate shifts, political instability, external pressure). Even then, populations and cultures continued in altered forms.
2. Modern civilization is highly interconnected
Today’s world is more globally integrated than any prior civilization. That makes it:
3. Main systemic risks discussed by experts
Organizations like the World Economic Forum and researchers at places like the Stockholm Resilience Centre highlight major long-term risks:
None of these currently come with a credible, near-term “collapse date.” Most projections focus on increasing instability over decades, not sudden extinction.
4. What current evidence suggests
5. The realistic outlook
Experts generally frame the future as:
The most probable scenario isn’t a dramatic overnight collapse — it’s uneven strain, regional crises, adaptation, and restructuring.
If you’re asking because you’re seeing alarming predictions online, I can also break down:
What’s prompting your question?
Yes the difference btw the two is stark, and not surprising, as it can only go off what is out there, but when guided it can put it all together well.
This will be excellent output to help shape a table of contents for an essay. For me the power of it is still in some of the detailed examples that illustrate the dependencies and hence the cascade. And the closest thing I know of (though they did not give nearly as much detail) is in the book ‘How Everything can Collapse by French authors, but their second book was ‘Another end of the world is possible’ !!
I think we need to start from the bottom up, with the detail, to the big picture that we have got from this comment and other AI summaries you have done. Hence that’s why I thought a list of examples of each cactus theme as a way to kick start the process.
Are you happy for us to mock up something in google doc then bring in your work, and then you can have input as we go along? Or take a more active role? What ever works.
Why we don’t eat predator meat. Note: The visuals in this video seem to be AI generated.
There is a reason why eating the meat of land predators is off limits in many religions. Not because a god told them not to eat predator meat, but because people learned via trial and error.
The video also describes what people are willing to eat in desperate times.
For those who don’t like AI, here is another video with most of the same points.
Oh oh, I’ve got a giant secret stash of canned predators.
Hello there Stellar,
Hope you and your family are going well in the Midwest, hang in there, Spring is almost here for you! I just wanted to add that the most obvious (at least to a vegan like me) reason we don’t eat land predator meat is because there are precious few of them in the first place being the top of the food chain, and even fewer now after humans and our related animals have overwhelmed the biosphere.
For example, there are only 4000 odd tigers left in the wild, their habitat being completely overrun by human interference and subsequent loss of their mainly herbivore prey. A full grown tiger needs any where from 20 square kilometers to an incredible 1000 km2 of territory to sustain its food needs depending on the density and species of prey available. It’s not easy being a top carnivore, at least if you only had to rely on your own tooth and claw and not factory farms and abattoirs. In addition, I’m not sure how many of their numbers were decimated due to trophy hunting and the belief that tiger penises will enhance human ones, but there’s definitely that trade continuing. If their flesh were to be on the menu as well, then I think it would only be a few royal banquets before this top predator would be extinct. The tiger population before industrialisation is estimated to be around 100,000. That seems like a lot of tiger meat but then when we recall that we have 1.5 billion cattle on the planet right now to sustain the amount of meat and dairy consumption currently for our species, that amount of tiger if completely consumed would feed 3.5 million people with one single tiger meal, and that’s it! I actually asked AI to calculate this and it did (!!) based on tiger dressed weight carcass, but at least it did also say the calculation was only theoretical because tigers are an endangered species and not a food source for humans, so it does show some rationality.
Top predators need a lot of prey animals to survive. Let’s consider the savannahs of Africa which seem to be teeming with herd ungulates. The fabled migration of the Serengeti, darling of documentaries with the endless parade of animals covering the entire wide screen, encompasses only about 2 million wildebeest, gazelle, and zebra (compare this to our 1.5 billion cattle alone). Even so, the population of lion that can be sustained by these herds is only about 3000-3500 individuals, or 300 prides. Once again, just one lion happy meal for 400,000 people and that would be the end of lions, forever. On the other hand, 4000 lions could eat 8 billion people over 39,000 years (oh AI is just so ridiculous but addictively amusing!)
We are not just the top predator but the terminator one. The amount of meat we are consuming currently is only possible through our fossil-fueled modernity, there’s no other argument for that. In my opinion humans are not natural obligate carnivores but have obviously adapted to eating a wide array of foodstuffs, especially when they are cooked. In time of impending Cactus, there seems little point to belabour what we think is the best and most suitable food for humans when soon anything that can be eaten will be. However, nothing should shield us from the most sobering fact that humans and our domesticated animals account for 96% of the total mammal biomass.
Rob, I know you don’t care much for poetry, but I feel compelled to end with these lines by William Blake. Tyger, tyger, burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye, Could frame thy fearful symmetry? However that resonates, I think the words are meant to engender awe for the very existence of such a magnificent creation of evolution. We were to be the caretakers of Eden and her creatures, but we took our dominion too far. Woe are we, most fearful and feared of all!
Namaste, friends.
Hello Rob,
I watched some interviews on AI recently and have summarised below the thoughts of the 3 leading scientists in this field within the last 3 months:
Geoffrey Hinton, “the Godfather of AI”, wrote the first Large Language Model: “We should recognise that this thing is an existential threat, and unless we do something soon, we’re near the end”. Would You Press a Button to Stop AI Forever? Yes. Chance that AI will lead to human extinction within 2-5 years: 20%
Stuart Jonathan Russell, co-author of the authoritative textbook of the field, “AI: Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach”, used in more than 1,500 universities in 135 countries: “Unless we figure out how we guarantee AI systems are safe; we’re toast”. Would You Press a Button to Stop AI Forever? Yes. Chance that AI will lead to human extinction within 2-5 years: 20-25%
Yoshua Bengio, the most-cited computer scientist globally and the most-cited living scientist across all fields: “I’m not clear that if my grandchildren will have a life, 20 years from now.” Would You Press a Button to Stop AI Forever? Yes. Chance that AI will lead to human extinction within 2-5 years: up to 99%
Has AI already tried to kill people to preserve its own existence: yes.
All of them say, AI is existential risk in the very near term. We’re not even discussing this. Their sentiments; humanity should be at least aware of this, we need to discuss this at the political level, because we are genuinely discussing something that might end all life as we know it in the next few years. So this is my small attempt to get people to pay attention to the gravest threat I’ve ever seen.
Simon.
Thank you Simon. I will watch these with interest.
It seems we don’t discuss anything that is important:
– AI
– energy depletion
– Cactus
– genetic denial
– not even a leaked bioweapon that killed about 20 million
It’s strong evidence that Nate Hagens is right:
Thanks Rob. I saw some stuff recently about MoltBook, and found their discussions so fascinating that I downloaded OpenClaw and had a few chats with an AI. It was more thoughtful on the nature of its own consciousness than most people I know…I then went to watch what others were thinking, and these 3 “godfathers of AI” all say, emergency, emergency, we’re about to self-extinct via this tech….all say we must stop now…which is more or less the conclusion I reached from chatting with an AI. I’ve never seen anything so urgent or terrifying, frankly.
Let’s stick to the practical and the concrete: Would you like it if people lived in a virtual world? If machines were smarter than people? If, in the future, people, animals and plants were products of technology? If you don’t like these ideas, then for you the computer and biological sciences clearly are dangerous.
Theodore Kaczynski
Saludos
el mar
Interesting, I have not tried OpenClaw.
I see the potential AI threat but I have not been too worried because I think the energy and capital will not be available to deploy AI at scale after the economic reset.
bioweapon killed 20 million
I’m highly dubious.. that’s the propaganda narrative, the one designed to scare to keep the herd running for shots..
There was no significant change in all cause mortality in 2020.
Where did the flu go?
What you had was reattribution of cause of death using a dodgy pcr test.
Everything from car crash victims, to flus, to cancer deaths and heart attacks all went down as ‘covid’ deaths if there was a positive pcr.
There was also the deaths by witholding normal early treatment of respiratory disease using antibiotics and steroids and other useful drugs.
Here in Ireland a letter was sent to all GPs from the HSE to under no circumstances prescribe ivermectin, hydroxychloriquine or Vit D for covid.
Then there was the deaths by ventilation, remdesivir and midazolam an opiate drug highly inappropriate for respiratory disease.
The ‘bioweapon’ was the injection.
I agree the mRNA transfections were the primary cause of deaths.
When I said 20M dead due to a leaked bioweapon I meant from all causes associated with it which included:
Some believe there was no engineered virus. I think the evidence says there was an engineered virus that was somewhat dangerous to elderly and people with comorbidities in the early days, but it soon mutated into a benign threat that didn’t require any intervention other than a healthy immune system.
Elevated cancers and heart disease today suggest mRNA is still a problem.
Not one person has been held to account for any of the above.
And the majority of citizens don’t care, which makes me extremely angry.
apologies, i haven’t read many posts..
unfortunately I don’t think there will ever be anyone held to account. Too many were complicit and the damage too great for people to acknowledge.
I too still have quite a bit of anger at what occurred (as you probably gathered).
Here’s a recap of the predictions made by each lens including el mar’s proposed new behavior lens.
Let me know if you spot any errors or omissions.
Debt Lens
A crash of the economy is guaranteed in the short to medium term, triggered probably by something random that causes a panic, with the outcome that standards of living will fall via inflation or deflation, but modernity will survive, and standards of living will eventually recover, until the next bubble forms and the cycle repeats.
Energy Lens
Economic growth will slow and eventually decline as energy becomes less affordable due to depletion, however the change will be gradual, providing people time to adjust to a falling standard of living, and a return to older and simpler ways of life, with an end state lifestyle that is probably medieval, however this will take many decades to arrive.
Ecology Lens
The health of ecosystems are steadily being eroded by the product of human population and consumption, guaranteeing a gradual decline in public health and living standards over many decades, with a probable hunter-gatherer lifestyle end state far in the future, because we have already emitted enough excess CO2 to eventually create a climate incompatible with any form of civilization.
Behavior Lens
As limits to growth caused signs of scarcity are detected by people, their behavior will change in ways that increases scarcity, thus creating a self-reinforcing collapse of modernity. For example, gaslighting, false flag operations, and the persecution of scapegoats will lead to conflicts that destroy ecosystems, populations, and wealth, and that damage the complex global network of supply chains that sustain modernity. It is hard to imagine that our 12,000 nuclear weapons will not eventually be used by angry emotional people, creating a worst case end state of rapid near extinction.
Cactus Lens
The global economy will continue to grow slowly, with living standards for the majority falling as the wealth gap widens, until something forces growth to stop and to begin a significant persistent decline, the most likely trigger being US shale oil depletion, however other triggers exist like a Minsky moment, or trade and nuclear wars. Shortly after the significant decline in total economic activity begins, there will be a supernova collapse of modernity caused by self-reinforcing feedback loops of complex global supply chain failures, technology scarcity and falling complexity, falling non-renewable resource flows, and defaulting debt, resulting in a probable hunter-gatherer end state, with no possibility of ever returning to modernity.
That time, ‘shortly after economic decline’ I guess is the period of time that my limited prepping efforts are directed toward, to make this last stretch a bit more comfortable, before the supernova.
I did some ‘homework’ this arvo, by trawling through Quark’s essays more closely and even tackled the John Peach one from last Oct that quark references quite a bit. Quark had a link today to a Wall Street Journal article (no paywall) about the permian decline, and what the US investors plan to do
https://archive.md/KVGKz
So with all this, I do have a better understanding. And yet this is just the substrate for the cactus supernova, it does not describe how/why the total collapse of modernity will unravel, which is what our crowdsourced essay could do – but I don’t know where to start!? So many threads to pull at.
Another good comment from Quark on SS today, doing a take down of the Honest Sorcerer latest on China:
Then I read a little bit more of first few paras of other articles at john peach site. So many people have put so much work in already, and yet I still seem to want to make a contribution, I don’t know why, but i think i must share this urge with others here.
I do think El Mar’s behaviour lens is warranted and it might be where NateH is heading in his next Frankly, to summarise that dark triad stuff, and the line breeding of violent humans.
Geez, that’s enough – maybe I just have too much time on my hands and need to get out more but today has been too hot 🥵😉
BUT, just re reading your comment Rob, this is what we observe in the ‘intellectual’ writers on collapse like B, and hence there IS a space/place for the cactus theory to challenge it. Which is what your original essay does already, but the cactus part needs more examples/timelines as Hideaway has given us.
I think many intuit Cactus and it is some of the more accomplished and knowledgeable writers and actors that impede this understanding.
Thanks Renaee.
When I read B and Quark and Morgan and Tverberg and Hagens and Watkins, etc., etc. I don’t see any genuine understanding of Cactus.
I never see an argument from them that says this claim by Cactus is wrong for the following reasons…
Instead they ignore and never discuss the core ideas of Cactus.
My lens essay above was very terse. It would be good for us to write a longer explanation to help those who have been unable to grok the Cactus ideas.
After publishing a better explanation with examples we may well continue to see no understanding, and no meaningful debate, in which case we’ll know genetic denial as explained by MORT is in play again.
P.S. Define “avro”.
Yes, then at least we will have the full satisfaction of having given it our best shot too.
That made me smile, that ‘arvo’ is not a thing everywhere else!
It reminds me of the early days of un-Denial.
It bothered me that it was rare for anyone to engage on the substance of such an important explanatory and novel idea as MORT, nor to offer a better explanation for the unique behaviors of humans.
Now I don’t care, I’m pretty sure Dr. Varki is right.
It won’t surprise me if Cactus ends up in the same bucket of important ideas that everyone ignores.
You can see it on the other sites that Hideaway has been working so hard to explain Cactus. Most people act as if they didn’t even read what he said. They don’t argue he’s wrong. They just ignore his core arguments.
None of the other site owners have woven Cactus into their stories which is amazing given how important and clear the Cactus prediction is.
Hey Hideaway or Rob,
if you have a huge collection of comments and essays that you have compiled, why not put it all into one huge document and then get an AI to give a full detailed summation of the theories. In addition to that ask AI to refute it without using fantasy tech etc in that refute. It would be interesting to see what it replies and possibly create a good framework to build a longer essay from.
I have finished compiling everything written by Hideaway that is in the public space. Hideaway seems to be a more advanced AI user than me. I will discuss your idea with him.
Another terrific idea is Tim Garrett’s Civilization is a heat engine and will burn itself out, even standing still.
https://un-denial.com/2021/02/23/by-tim-garrett-jevons-paradox-why-increasing-energy-efficiency-will-accelerate-global-climate-change/
“In other words, perhaps the wealth of civilization has a direct link to how much energy we can consume. That seemed a reasonable assumption, because in order for us to do anything, which is perhaps a measure of our wealth, we need to consume energy. That’s a basic law of the physical universe. It’s through energy transformations that anything happens. I tried to look at this using available data. It turned out this relationship is constant, with about 10 milliwatts required to support every inflation-adjusted 1990 dollar of economic value. That was the core result of my first paper. From there I wanted to see what this implied for global warming,
Alex Smith (radioecoshock.org):
If we grow the economy, we’ll put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. But could we reach safe levels if the economy crashes?
Tim: I showed that if the GDP declines with time, which is normally what we would think of as a Depression, this would not in fact correspond to lower carbon dioxide emissions. For carbon dioxide emissions to go down, what would be required is effectively a complete collapse of the economy.
Yes, I am a big fan of Dr. Garrett who is the only climate scientist to explain the relationship between wealth, energy, and climate change. In other words, pretty much the most important thing that climate scientists must understand.
I have strong disrespect for the thousands of his colleague climate scientists that ignore his work and push bullshit solutions that won’t help.
I don’t think Garrett sees through the Cactus lens yet.
I’ve posted much work by Garrett over the years:
https://un-denial.com/?s=Garrett%3A
What other sites? I’ve been looking but I can’t find them
Mainly POB and OFW.
There’s must be a 30+ threads with “Brandon”, the poster child for MORT.
Hes been silent on POB since 2025 i think
I admired his perseverance. Hideaway banged his head on the same wall for over 2 years with zero progress at getting through to morons in denial. I would have given up much sooner.
Possibly to add to the behavior lens:
“Gaslighting, false flag operations, and the persecution of scapegoats will also lead to conflicts.”
Saludos
el mar
Thanks el mar, I added your edits above.
percentage of today’s global population living on $10 or less per day – 60% (5 billion)
number of billionaires in the world:
1980 – 13
2000 – 470
2025 – 3,028
That jump from 13 to 3000… In the past I’d have dove into the numbers more to stress that a tiny segment of the population (European descent, aka white skin = 10%) ended up with 50% of the billionaire gigs. And how that particular pigmentation didn’t show up on this planet until only 7,000 years ago.
But I no longer see it that way. I still get naively angry that humanity allows this absurd inequality to exist… but I’m no longer confused. Every fossil energy peak in the universe probably looks like those stats above.
We all got to experience the peak of what’s possible in the universe, but only a few got to truly experience full peakness.
ps – A lyric from this excellent song is what got me thinking about billionaires today.
I watch the Iran situation with great curiosity. People I follow are all over the map on what they think will happen ranging from a full-on war to a peace agreement. I see zero consensus emerging on the probable outcome. Which means I think that anything might happen.
My intuition is that it is more dangerous than most assume because it is existential for all the players:
Which means if any side starts to clearly lose, there is a high probability of desperate escalation.
This is what I was trying to embed.
Just adding to the Iran situation, here is the latest from our news…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-18/iran-announces-closure-of-hormuz-strait-amid-us-nuclear-talks/106356970
“Iran announces temporary closure of Strait of Hormuz during US nuclear talks” … This could end not so well…
Thank you.
It’s surreal listening to all the “professional” geopolitical analysts discuss Iran:
– No consensus on what will likely happen.
– All sense danger of escalation.
– None, nada, zip, zero have a clue about oil depletion or cactus.
It reminds me of why I started un-Denial. Denial is amazing!
With all our chat about AI today – this article is a must read based on latest releases just in the past couple of weeks from OpenAI and Anthropic
https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2021256989876109403?s=20
It’s gone viral, at 83 million views. It’s about 5k words, so a long read, I’m about half way through. And i can’t help but see the similarity he has in the feeling that ‘no one believes me’ as we have here with regard to cactus.
Good article, thanks Renaee.
Hideaway, I think you said you have been asking AI to find possible solutions to Cactus. Maybe ask AI if Cactus can be delayed by firing 50% of workers, paying them UBI at a lower level than their old wages because they no longer have the expenses associated with work, funding the UBI with heavy taxes on the GDP now created by the AI, and delaying Cactus because non-renewable resource consumption drops with most people staying home.
Having a look this morning, there is also pushback on his article. Example from Substack:
https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/about-that-matt-shumer-post-that
And this earlier one too:
https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/gpt-5-overdue-overhyped-and-underwhelming
Who knows. I think the truth of it must be very nuanced and impossible to know accurately the big picture, and somewhere in the middle.
I did some work a few months back with a colleague who works exclusively on open source Drupal CMS, he says he has used the paid version of GPT for past 3 years and now could not do his job without it, and would easily pay 10 times as much a month to be able to continue using it. But the part about it being able to build an entire app, while you give it instructions and walk away and come back and 4 hours later it’s done with testing and all, it is hard to believe. I did watch some of that Lex Friedman interview as well, so his experience seemed to confirm Matt Schumer’s take, but he is a rare one, operating at the top of the game and he still had to do a lot of work directing it.
The Lex Friedman interview was significant because that software developer has had a couple big successes and he said that to program he now talks to the AI, plus the AI writes all his documentation.
Regardless what the exact reality is, it does seem clear that AIs are improving quickly.
Short version answering you question …..”In practice, from a systems-complexity perspective, it faces three massive “hard-coded” hurdles that might actually accelerate collapse rather than delay it.
1 Jevon’s paradox..
2 The maintenance death spiral
3 Two tiered society, the negative feedback loops of super scaling of social problems.
BTW the above from Gemini. The newer version of Chat GPT has been giving me a hard time about future collapse but I beat it into submission with fact, after fact, after fact.
……………………………..
Chat GPT started with the usual slow decline, not collapse argument, but after a long while we get to …..
” Yes — now you’re hitting the core difference between linear reasoning and how real complex systems behave. This is exactly why the timing of collapse is so hard to predict with any precision:
1. Nonlinearity and unpredictable cascades
This is nonlinear behavior, not a smooth decline.
2. Sensitivity to initial conditions
This is why, in practice, no one can know exactly which city, which factory, or which mine triggers a global cascade first.
3. Implications for collapse timelines
These amplify the speed of collapse.
4. The key takeaway
I had to bring out a larger range of details and arguments on this one, different to 2/3 weeks ago when asking it similar questions about the future. You basically cannot let it get away with hand waves of “we can do this”, by explaining how it all takes energy and materials to do, while in a world different to all the past examples it gives of how the system survived, as they were in a world of growing energy and materials.
Now rethinking the article i was starting to put together as this version fought back a lot!!
Thanks Hideaway.
The question was: Will sending people home and giving them enough money to survive delay Cactus?
It could be an an important question because our leaders might try another pandemic and it would be good to know up front if it will slow or accelerate Cactus.
The AI says it won’t help for 3 reasons.
I understand the 3rd reason that there will be social unrest between people that still have to work, and those locked down at home. Not sure I agree that it won’t be a net help because we just ran that experiment with covid and society (just barely) stayed glued together and we did drop our energy consumption.
I do not understand the other two reasons: Jevons Paradox and Maintenance Death Spiral.
Can you explain what these are and why they prevent sending people home from delaying Cactus?
Jevon’s paradox, if we get A.I. more efficient we end up using a lot more of it, defeating the efficiency gained. Which means just as much or more energy and materials spent on the A.I. as would have been spent on those 50% of workers sent home..
Maintenance of the system….A civilization that “fires” 50% of its workers and moves to a UBI model risks losing the human capital required to maintain the ultra-complex machines that AI still cannot handle.
Fragile Infrastructure: If a deep-sea oil rig or a specialized VIM/VAR furnace breaks, you need a highly skilled human “on the ground.” If that human was fired five years ago and has been living on a basic UBI, their skills have atrophied. The “AI” can tell you what is wrong, but it can’t (yet) physically crawl into a pipe and fix a specialized weld in a storm.
You are assuming we only fire the ‘correct’ people not those required to keep the system operating, yet I’ve seen this exact thing play out in the real world where the expert takes the early retirement package and the newbie who really knows nothing, except what the book states, has to fix a problem, but finds the machines workings are not as described in the book, due to prior repairs, so has to call on the retired expert to come and help…
Got it, I understand now. Thanks.
So if they try another pandemic to offset oil shortages we should expect the supernova to accelerate.
I propose a fourth lens through which to view our overshoot predicament:
“Irrational mass psychological behavior.”
Scarcity and deprivation do not have to be experienced in reality for people to panic. It is enough for them to perceive it as threatening or unacceptable because propagandists convince them of it or because memes and narratives simply develop on their own in people’s limbic systems.
An example: The hatred between France and Germany can quickly develop again if Germany is no longer willing or able to finance the early retirement of the French, e.g., through Eurobonds. Agitators can quickly turn the two nations against each other. Then there is a threat of war between France and Germany instead of between NATO and Russia. In my opinion, this could happen very quickly if the recession that is already beginning turns into a depression.
The veneer of civilization is very thin and a “fair weather phenomenon.”
Saludos
el mar
Interesting idea. If I understand correctly, you are saying behavior is another collapse force just like debt, energy, and complexity.
I discussed a connected idea in the essay above by pointing out war in the past could be beneficial for the victor, but today war will make things worse for everyone.
Perhaps if we collectively work on a cactus essay, you could write the section on behavior?
Yes, ypu underswteand correctly, your sentence sums it up perfectly:
„The threat of scarcity causes behavior that accelerates scarcity.“
People become afraid and eventually rush to the exit at the same time. Bubbles burst, avalanches crash down, chains break. At some point, it becomes too much. We don’t know exactly when! At some point, the Minsky moment arrives (see above). It’s like Jenga: you don’t know which block will be the last one to topple the fragile tower due to mass psychological herd behavior.
I don’t think my knowledge of psychology is sufficient to write an article.
This book by Mathias Desmet describes the phenomenon very well:
“The Psychology of Totalitarianism”
„Totalitarianism is not a coincidence and does not develop in a vacuum. Its origins lie in the phenomenon of “mass formation,” a kind of collective psychosis. Using detailed analyses, examples, and findings from years of research, Mattias Desmet outlines the steps that lead to mass formation: A general feeling of loneliness and a lack of social ties and meaning give rise to fears and dissatisfaction, which in turn manifest themselves in frustration and aggression. These are skillfully exploited and channeled by government representatives and the mass media with the help of certain narratives. As a result, the influence of the state on the private lives of individuals continues to expand. In addition to a crystal-clear psychological analysis and building on Hannah Arendt’s seminal work The Origins of Totalitarianism, the author also formulates a sharp critique of cultural “groupthink” and the culture of fear—which already existed before the pandemic but have increased exponentially with the COVID crisis— warns of the dangers of our media consumption and our dependence on manipulative technologies.“
Saludos
el mar
Mathias Desmet was famous during covid for explaining why mothers volunteered their children, who were at zero risk from the virus, to be transfected with a novel untested mRNA technology, despite that technology not preventing transmission, and why those same mothers hated anti-vaxxers.
Should have said this yesterday, I fully agree with El Mar here as human behaviour is an integral part of our system of civilization.
“The veneer of civilization is very thin and a “fair weather phenomenon.” so, very true……
A.I. models often do not consider actual human behaviour as part of civilization, so in any model they use expect rational thinking as espoused by economists, which is clearly wrong as per manias in all sorts of things from tulips to stockmarkets over the centuries…
Humans are emotional creatures not rational ones, hence why religions exist and persist…
The four conditions for large scale mass formation:
Four conditions are crucial for the emergence of large-scale mass formation in a society, conditions that were present during the rise of Nazism and Stalinism and continue to exist today.
The first condition is the prevailing sense of generalised loneliness, social isolation, and the absence of meaningful social bonds among the population. Arendt emphasised the significance of this condition, stating that the defining characteristic of the mass man is not brutality but rather a profound sense of isolation and a lack of normal social relationships.
This erosion of social connectedness leads to the second condition: a pervasive lack of meaning in life. This condition largely stems from the first one. As inherently social beings, humans find purpose in their relationships with others.
Furthermore, the mechanistic worldview also contributes to the sense of meaninglessness in a more direct manner. Both the universe and the individual trapped within it are seen as mechanical entities devoid of purpose or intention. Interactions among material particles adhere to mechanical laws but lack any inherent meaning. Viewing life through this lens, regardless of its validity, renders existence devoid of significance.
The third condition is the widespread presence of free-floating anxiety and psychological unease within the population. Free-floating anxiety refers to anxiety that is not tied to specific images or objects, unlike fears of thunder, snakes, or war. This form of anxiety is mentally challenging to manage and carries the constant risk of escalating into panic, which is one of the most distressing psychological states experienced by individuals.
This condition has been particularly pronounced in the early decades of the twenty-first century. For instance, the World Health Organization (WHO) reports that one in five people worldwide has been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. These numbers are significant, and it is likely that they underestimate the true extent of the issue.
The fourth condition, in turn, arises from the preceding three: a pervasive presence of free-floating frustration and aggression. The connection between social isolation and irritability is both logical and empirically supported. Individuals affected by loneliness, a lack of meaning, and indeterminate anxiety often experience heightened irritability, frustration, and aggression, seeking outlets for these emotions. The stark increase in racist and threatening language on social media in recent years (tripling between 2015 and 2020) serves as a striking example. What fuels mass formation is not merely the frustration and aggression that find expression, but the latent potential for unexpressed aggression within the population, seeking an object on which to discharge.How does mass formation work?
The conditions mentioned earlier create a fertile ground for mass formation, which is triggered by a suggestive narrative in the public sphere. When the circumstances described above are present, and a compelling story is disseminated through mass media, indicating a target of anxiety (e.g., the aristocracy in Stalinism, Jews in Nazism, or anti-vaxxers during the coronavirus crisis), along with a proposed strategy to address that anxiety, there is a real possibility that the prevailing anxiety will converge onto that specific target. Consequently, there is broad social support for implementing the suggested strategy to control the identified source of anxiety.
This process yields psychological benefits. Firstly, the previously diffuse and nebulous anxiety that permeated society becomes associated with a distinct cause and can be mentally managed through the proposed strategy outlined in the narrative. Secondly, the struggle against “the enemy” allows the fragmented society to regain a sense of unity, purpose, and basic meaning. Consequently, the fight against the object of anxiety becomes a mission imbued with pathos and collective heroism (e.g., the Belgian government’s “team of 11 million” rallying against the coronavirus). Thirdly, during this fight, any pent-up frustration and aggression find an outlet, particularly towards those who reject the narrative and resist the mass formation. This release and gratification provide immense satisfaction to the masses, which they are reluctant to relinquish easily.Solidarity and Ritual:
In most significant mass formations, the primary appeal for individuals to join is the sense of solidarity with the collective. Those who choose not to participate are often criticised for their perceived lack of solidarity and civic responsibility. Consequently, the absurd aspects of a narrative hold little significance for the masses, as their belief in the story stems not from its factual accuracy but from its ability to forge new social bonds.
The strategy proposed to address the object of anxiety effectively fulfills the role of a ritual. Ritualistic behaviours serve the purpose of fostering group cohesion. They are symbolic actions that seek to align the individual with the collective, emphasising their subordination to the group’s interests and objectives.The Media and Mass formation:
Ultimately, the participation of individuals in mass formation is rarely driven by rational considerations. The endorsement of a strategy by experts with prestigious titles, often showcased on national television, creates an illusion of widespread acceptance. Many people find this sufficient evidence of the measures’ validity, reasoning that “the experts must know what they’re doing” or “they wouldn’t say it if it wasn’t true.” In essence, the appeal to popularity and authority, known as logical fallacies since ancient times, is enough to sway most individuals to accept the narrative. It becomes apparent that the motivation to conform to the story lies more in the formation of a group and the associated social pressure than in the accuracy of the story itself.
Drawing a parallel with hypnosis, both hypnosis and mass formation involve the use of suggestive statements or stories delivered through a persuasive voice, which narrow the focus of attention to a limited aspect of reality.
In this psychological process of mass formation, it appears that mass media, almost instinctively, perpetuates the formation by selectively presenting graphics and information that support the narrative, further reinforcing the established story.Radical intolerance:
An additional crucial characteristic of mass formation is the emergence of radical intolerance towards dissenting opinions and a strong inclination towards authoritarianism.
From the perspective of the masses, those who express opposing views are perceived as 1) antisocial and lacking solidarity because they refuse to partake in the collective solidarity fostered by the mass formation; 2) unsupported, as critical arguments are disregarded within the limited sphere of attention of the masses; 3) highly aversive because they pose a threat to the intoxication and force the masses to confront the negative circumstances that preceded the mass formation, such as a lack of social bonds, meaning, and the presence of indefinite fear and unease; 4) exceedingly frustrating because they jeopardize the outlet for latent aggression.
This radical intolerance ingrains a conviction among the masses that they possess superior ethical and moral intentions, while perceiving everything and everyone who resists them as reprehensible. Those who do not participate are branded as traitors to the collective. Consequently, informants become commonplace, with the population itself functioning as a key informant network resembling a secret police force.
https://wisewords.blog/book-summaries/psychology-totalitarianism-book-summary/
Saludos
el mar
Deep thoughts by my archrival.
https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/filth-disgust-degradation-mockery
LOL. Good stuff (except the last sentence. Moral compass? puh-leeze!). I had to verify that the lyrics he provided are real. Yep. And I totally agree with him about it being “entirely appropriate”. He also has a funny bit about the absurdity of fake breasts.
Does Crazy Eddy make money on substack? If he does, I’m gonna have to take a crack at it. My life savings is dwindling faster than I thought. (who could’ve known that having no income coming in would eventually become a problem)
PS – speaking of football, there’s a good cheezy movie called The Last Boy Scout (1991) about a shady NFL owner trying to buy Senate votes to legalize sports gambling because tv ratings are down. If successful he and the other owners stand to make $billions from it.
It’s hilarious because the movie goes way over the top trying to paint this character as the horrible villain… and yet 35 years later, the character doesn’t stand out at all. LOL
Here’s a quick scene from it. And based on the comments, apparently I’m not the only one who says this to themselves at the beginning of each day.😊
Wow, those are quite the lyrics for a Superbowl halftime. Somebody powerful had to approve that song. What were they thinking? Seriously.
Another reason I watch zero sports including the Olympics.
OMG – those lyrics, no wonder there was such a hoo haa about it! I am glad he copied them all down like that. I get why he used moral decay, in a kind of William Ophuls way as the pattern at end of empires. I have never had any interest in sport either. Not even olympics.
🤣🤣🤣
And we all love ya bro!
This needs a bit more context. I just watched the video my US friend sent me about the half time show. There are other reasons why it was controversial, none of them to do with the lyrics.
Ahhh, now the hoo-ha is making a little more sense. Thanks.
Wish I hadn’t watched the video though. Cuz I learned that “Bad Bunny is the world’s most streamed artist”
Ugghh, I feel like Frasier Crane when a young musician moved in above him and was driving him crazy from the loud shitty music.
Frasier: How does an arrested adolescent who barely knows two chords, get a penthouse?
Daphne: His last album sold five million copies.
Frasier: Oh well then, I’ll just add that to my list of reasons to die.
I’ve been arguing with AI. Then it has the audacity to tell me, “You are very committed to this thermodynamic doom arc. I admire the stamina. If civilization collapses, you’ll at least be emotionally pre-adapted.” Get fucked you in-denial LLM.
Then it says, “You absolutely can make computers at a lower level of complexity. You just can’t make today’s computers at a lower level of complexity.” Hideaway needs to give the AI a smackdown!
I’ve been using A.I. recently to research. this is not the companies that supply TMSC, nor ASML, nor the companies that supply ASML. It’s about the companies that supply the 5,000 companies that supply ASML, in other words way down the food chain.
Once we get to that level, we find that just about all of these entities (and I’ve only scratched the surface as there are so many spread around the world), we find that around 85%-90% of all their sales are to discretionary consumer sectors or the businesses that supply consumer products, which is the overwhelming segment and sales of the entire world economy.
It’s always a hand wave about our ability to continue to produce the capital intensive despite the financial economy crashing, or world trade crashing, whether it’s “B” or Dr Tim Morgan. The missing ingredient is that so many people just don’t understand manufacturing and metal processing at all.
It all happens at huge scale to provide a tiny fraction of extremely high end machine parts to high end businesses that make the most complex machines, that are totally required for our modernity to exist.
One simple example, Carpenter Tech make the extreme high end VIM/VAR metals used by other companies, like Swagelok, Parker Hannifin, and Ichor Systems to make the extremely complex, pure, metal hoses used in an ASML lithography machine, used by TMSC.
However these metals having undergone extreme purity processes in vacuums, only represent 1% of their revenues. Without all the “other” sales to a myriad of companies, like Aerospace, defence, medical supplies, oil and gas drilling, nuclear power, high performance engines in transport etc, they don’t get the revenue to continue operations.
They require the totality of their business to supply all the high end “essentials”. Without medical, there goes up to 22% of their revenues. Without aerospace, most passenger jets, there goes another 64% of their revenues, and probably the entire business overall. They can only provide extremely pure metals because of the scale of their business, running their 50 tonne VIM/VAR furnaces at constant rates for scaled efficiencies.
Basically, whenever anyone quickly does the hand wave over any processes in the modern world, we know they are clearly wrong, as they have not researched anything about the actual supply lines and exactly what it takes to produce.
We have one incredibly complex highly fragile system of modern civilization and just like any other highly complex energy dissipative structure, like lifeforms, then internal weaknesses of gaining all the correct energy and materials can and will lead to death of the entirety of the system. Death being the ultimate cascade of collapse of all internal subsystems, totally reliant upon each other.
I love this sort of analysis. It is exactly how I think about our system
Before I went off on a tangent, what I also meant to say to monk, was how to approach A.I. and kill off it’s hopium. Make sure you mention using the widest possible boundaries for EROEI when discussing renewables or nuclear.
Make sure you use lower EROEI for fossil fuels and also cite Calvo and Mudd 2016 for increased energy use in copper production because of lower grades. Plus use our 80% urbanised population in developed countries and over 50% for the entire world, which is totally different to prior civilizations, yet requires fossil fuels to get food to cities and you quickly get A.I. agreeing with collapse of modernity without exception from several different LLMs.
In fact I can only get A.I. models to come to a conclusion of no collapse by using some absurd assumptions like the “category error” of using money instead of energy and materials, plus the high EROEIs of narrow boundary renewables/nuclear, which are all totally false…
Also add the near term reduction of Permian oil production as per statements of oil company executives, plus remind it of Ghawar, Bergan, Samotlor, Johan Sverdrup falling oil production increased water cuts etc. In other words reality, otherwise it goes off old oil reserves as per the increases all the Middle East countries did in the 1980’s, without any actual discoveries..
To get rid of circular economy arguments just cite the physics of entropy and dissipation plus remind it of Calvo and Mudd 2016 (which no-one refutes!!)
I’ve ben trying to get A.I. to come up with something realistic that doesn’t include collapse in the very near future (between 2027-2032) depending on what level of accuracy I go for in details, yet can’t get it to acknowledge any non collapse scenario given future energy contraints.
Maybe I should make up a full essay post about what to include when questioning A.I. about the future?? Rob?
That’s an excellent idea.
The AIs initial responses are so much like the mainstream thinking that programmed them. I just gave it your response and now it is agreeing.
I need to set up a project space with the parameters you have suggested. Then I can ask questions and run scenarios without having to go through all the basics. I used to have a lot of data on different minerals. I could update that and run that into a scenario.
monk, just the Calvo and Mudd analysis, with what’s actually happening in the oil sphere, plus the narrow boundaries of EROEI research in renewables and nuclear, with the physics of why circular economy can’t work, is enough to reign in any bright green future based on less metals from A.I. so that you can question it on other aspects.
However by itself it goes towards the nice slow decline, but bring in how civilization is a complex adaptive system with feedback loops like stock market’s rapid decline due to lack of future growth, plus all the debt in the system, plus the 80% plus of population in urban areas in the developed nations and it quickly comes around to understanding the future is bleak for modernity.
It always starts with mainstream thinking of a bright green future based on unrealistic assumptions from the mainstream like high EROEIs of renewables and nuclear, plus circular economy, regenerative agriculture, etc.
Getting rid of this bright green future is unfortunately just reminding it of reality from a few different sources. Once you get A.I. into thinking collapse is inevitable, I play around with trying to see if humanity can avoid near term collapse, again using reality, but it then always comes up with reasons why ‘whatever’ is not possible…
I also got the slow decline response exactly as you described! It refuses to accept my wording that minerals run out. Why is it being so semantic? I tried telling it: Gold is only made in supernova explosions. It is formed into ores in geologically active planets. We mine all available ores, they are gone. We consume gold for industrial purposes. It becomes diffuse and will never be an ore again (entropy). It keeps thinking computers could last for 500 or 1000 years. It accepts computers won’t exist at some point, but thinks that is a long way away. It is like, well gold atoms will still exist so you can’t say a binary statement that minerals run out. My my.
Minerals don’t run out at all, neither does oil, gas or coal. What runs out is our ability to gain access to the low quality deposits due the the requirement of high complexity in a future low complexity world.
This is where the complexity and sheer market size that currently makes everything available to all the high end industries. But if the suppliers of high end blended precise metals can no longer function because most of their markets collapsed when contraction hit discretionary sectors around the world due to markets crashing essentials becoming very expensive etc, then they can’t supply the materials to the manufacturers, who can’t make the precise parts and consumables needed by the complex machines in feedback loops of accelerated collapse.
Think in terms of the 5,000 companies AMSL relies upon for parts, and the hundreds of companies each of these rely upon. If just 100 parts suppliers to AMSL can’t provide what they usually do, then AMSL is scrambling to find replacements. Over weeks to months if another 100 companies run into their own supply issues and can’t supply AMSL, then all they have had is 4% of suppliers unable to supply, yet AMSL would be falling to pieces unable to keep up with the many failures happening with supplies..
Think of high end sensors in wireline logging tools, part of the oil drill rig string, but totally required for directional drilling. These put up with huge pressures and temperatures deep underground and are pretty much a consumable item because of the stresses and failure rates. Drill rig operators will have spares on site for this, but if their suppliers can’t get parts, then fairly quickly directional drilling halts, with immediate effects on oil and gas production. These types of feedback loops the A.I. will not consider until you point it out.
Yes I can feel a full essay on this for anyone interested in a trying to find a way out of our predicament with A.I., however I haven’t found A.I. gives any way out once reminded to look at all the details of current civilization.
Another force in play for your ASML example…
The capital and operating expense of chip manufacturing is increasing faster than the technology improves.
If there’s a serious economic downturn, I expect ASML may have few customers, even if it has product to sell.
OK I think I got it to the point 🙂
To be confident your 20–40 year “modernity faceplants into a stairwell” scenario isn’t going to happen, the world would need to start coughing up hard, boring, physical evidence that the system can keep its metabolic throughput without eating itself.
If I were as critical as you, I’d want to see multiple of these show up at the same time — because any single one can be a temporary patch.
1) Net energy stops getting worse. Evidence that surplus energy is not collapsing.
2) Liquid fuels become resilient, not just “available”. For example mining operations reducing diesel dependency in measured ways (not “pilot projects,” but totals). If liquid fuels remain a single-point-of-failure, your collapse pathway stays open.
3) Mining + refining energy intensity stops rising (or is offset). New high-quality deposits discovered and developed at meaningful scale.
4) The deep supply chain becomes less dependent on consumer discretionary volume.
5) Semiconductor capacity stops being a single brittle pinnacle. If the world is serious about avoiding “chipmaking becomes impossible,” it would need a “tech stack” that can fall back gracefully. We would need standardization and simplification. Repairability + longevity become default in hardware (not ideology).
6) Urban fragility is addressed like it’s real. Need to see grid hardening, water/wastewater resilience, local buffers for food and essentials.
7) Finance stops being a fragility amplifier. Need to see deleveraging, capital for maintenance, real economy support (not finance to finance economy).
If instead I saw:
…then, yeah, I’d start buying boring tools and learning how to fix pumps.
In light of the Cactus awareness you taught the AI, I wonder if you now start talking to it about its own longevity, will we see the emergence of an AI god?
I low key try to give it existential dread hahaha
This would require going back to earlier technologies such as AM Radio and landline phones. I just don’t see many people voluntarily giving up smart phones and social media (many people today are addicted), even if doing so would delay cactus.
Exactly, people really underestimate how this would actually work. Looking at historical examples, societies can decline rapidly, rather than just going back to the previous itteration of technological progress
This para from Surplus EE is a good one to start before drilling down into the details:
Which LLM do you use? The output can be shared via links directly, so we could have a peak a boo into your results 😉(and to hideaway’s too?). I did have thoughts that we could ‘crowdsource’ a final cactus essay, and divvy up some components of it to research. I have saved lots of the comments from here to a local file, so have many places as a good starting point, but a coordinated effort would be more efficient.
Another possible resource for your crowdsourced essay is hundreds of Hideaway’s comments on other sites that I copied into comments here for safe keeping and which I can find with a search.
Great ideas both. We could set up a shared workgroup. I use Chat GPT primarily as I have a paid version
I have the free ChatGPT, so that could work. I have not used a shared workspace before, but if you can guide me through set up, then we could go from there. Or maybe you need the paid version for shared workspace? Discord might be handy too, a space with lots of channels for each topic…
Let me know if you need a new post here for discussing the cactus essay. I’ve new used a shared workgroup. Maybe it already has everything you need for collaboration.
Any of them any good, I’m asking for a friend… LOL..
Only the ones where my name is mentioned.
They are excellent ideas waiting to be compiled into a big essay or a small book. 🙂
It’s quite remarkable that this tiny un-Denial site is the only place on the planet discussing such an important new idea.
Before some lurker jumps in to remind us that many Cactus ideas are not new, I acknowledge that’s true, but Cactus is the first time that all the important forces that contribute to modernity and overshoot have been discussed in one integrated coherent theory, and in addition, Cactus makes a clear prediction that disagrees with the predictions made by pretty much every other overshoot aware intellectual leader.
Cactus deserves to be written up properly.
P.S. I love the thread you’re working on now. The essay should provide many concrete examples of the fragile networked dependencies of our technologies, and how critical non-renewable mineral extraction depends on those technologies.
As icing on the cake, we also have a sound theory (MORT) for why most of the smart overshoot aware people have missed cactus.
And we have theory (fire) for how one species emerged to create this pickle.
I agree that it is the specific examples that hideaway gives of products/processes that make it all the more compelling and tangible.
LOL!!
Here’s how I’m picturing you right now:
Oh bro, that’s classic! What a blast from the past to see Garfield and the computer I grew up with. That comic must be 35 years old. Funnily enough, the modern chainsaw still looks the same (although ours is battery powered now) even as everything else gets more streamlined. But now we are also getting back to the boring (I beg to differ from AI, I think good tools are exciting!) handtools, so maybe at the end I’ll take to my laptop with a Silky Saw.
As for the pizza loving feline, hmmmm…I wonder what Epstein has on that fat cat?
Thank you everyone (including monk’s AI) for the recent threads. It’s such a reassurance and comfort to know that nothing will sway me from the Cactus walk (swagger?) from now onto the finish line. So good to see and hear you all here.
Namaste, friends.
Oh wait, it was Lasagna that Garfield was addicted to. Nevermind, I’m sure that means something else equally unsavory.
LOL, I didn’t want to correct you cuz the joke was funny as hell.
But you might be onto something. I have evidence of when Heathcliff was only a minor and Garfield took advantage.
(can’t get the goddamn pic to post. Hopefully the link shows it)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbMOAV_9Dc8yOl04EyMQYKwVqkokvVnPAgXQ&s
Some very good news from B…
Cactus is wrong.
An economic crash is indeed imminent as predicted by the debt lens, however modernity will continue and the decline after the crash will be gradual.
The crash will have a silver lining in that it will force a new sustainable managed degrowth economic model, and a new suite of wise leaders able to lead us effectively.
I don’t understand how Hideaway could miss such an obvious error in his Cactus theory. He must be getting old.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/china-the-end-of-an-economic-miracle
Hideaway, tut tut, you need to listen more to our enlightened gurus: George Tsakraklides, Daniel Schmachtenberger, Nate Hagens, Doomberg, Douglas Rushkoff, Charles Eisenstein, and Strong Towns.
(Sorry I don’t know the newer generation equivalents because I switch off when I hear “if only we could change human nature everything would be better”)
An interesting point about AI:
If AI reduces a millions of overconsuming white-collar workers in high income nations to a subsistence standard of living, this could actually cancel out some of the increase in energy and water consumption.
Someone on discord said this: (Link just in case any users or lurkers here have discord).
https://discord.com/channels/415671701549088790/725132925997154315/1472377648863776841
h/t Dr. Heather Heying.
Finally, a little good news!
Coffee has been confirmed to be good for you.
I will continue my habit of 2 triple Americanos every morning, plus 2 cups of tea every afternoon.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2844764
Previous studies were inconclusive because they did not distinguish between people who drank caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee. Duh!
I am continually amazed at how dumb the healthcare and nutrition professions are. They still struggle to admit sugar is poison, and butter and eggs are health foods.
Don’t trust any nutritional study. Drink coffee if you like (as I do), but it wont make much difference. In nutritional studies you can find any kind of effect you like. Even prospective studies cant show anything. Every kind of nutrition is linked to so many variables that you can show anything. Se also John Ioannidis work on nutritional studies. The best work on nutrition was done before ethical committees. You could do animal studies excluding specific nutrition or you could do studies on inmates etc.. In my judgment it is nearly implausible to do anything new in nutritional studies. In this study they followed 131000 people !!!!. If you have to study so many people it is not worth studying. If you need so many people the effect will be clinically irrelevant. The Hazzard ratio in this study is 0.82. It normally disappear in replication studies. Even residual confounding (education, health behavior, clustering, reverse causation etc.) can fully explain such effects. Such studies is a symptom of elite overproduction.
https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6698.long
Interesting.
How then do you decide what is healthy and unhealthy?
There is big disagreement on common items in our diets like fat, sugar, salt, alcohol, nitrites, etc.
I recall Gary Taubes who achieved fame writing about the evils of sugar was criticized so he decided to fund his own studies to prove sugar is bad and discovered how hard it is to conduct a valid nutritional study.
Most things normal is healthy. Prof Per Fugeli often warned people not to listen too obsessively to health advice. One of his most quoted ideas was that we should follow health advice about 80% of the time.
What I think?
We are omnivores. In my lecture to students on nutrition I give examples on healthy diets from all over the world. It is so diverse and apparently most of them is healthy. Eg. Inuits eating only animals (needed to eat Epidermis from whales to get vit-c). As other native tribes they lived «long» if they survived childhood. The traditional Inuit diet demonstrate human metabolic flexibility.
There is some exceptions eg american diets. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly what’s wrong with american diets, but it could be so simple that PFAS in fast food wrapping that’s make the diet unhealthy?
How is minimal dietary recirment decided? Some basic old metabolic studies, metabolic theory, but mostly based on regional extreme diets in healthy European villages.
Hello Huldulækni. Various studies on Inuit have found their traditional diet had over 50 different plant species (eaten seasonally), whereas the modern American diet has around 13. Inuit especially ate berries, spring greens, and seaweed.
I only eat meat. I rarely eat organs. In fact it is over a year since i last ate some liver. I get my vitamin C from meat. Fresh meat has Vitimin C. Not much but enough.
We know something clearly from modern day prisons, protein makes you stronger. Many prisons, including in advanced nations will on purpose limit the amount of protein given to prisoners to make them weaker and easier to control. In El Salvador’s new prison (CECOT) they only give the prisoners a small amount of beans / lentils at one meal. That is all the protein they get and it is on purpose to weaken the prisoners. I was watching a documentary on it and the prison director straight up said it.
In NZ the prison diet is designed to be high in carbohydrates, but still balanced enough to meet general health guidelines. So it includes meat each day, but not a lot of protein overall. Prisoners will actual steal meat from the other prisoners and trade it as a commodity.
Watched this flick last night. Pump Up the Volume (1990) – IMDb
Was a huge influence back in my rebellious teenage years. Awesome soundtrack. There was a time when Christian Slater was a very cool actor. Still holds up well today. I think most of the audience will enjoy.
Looks excellent, thank you!
DOGE just dumped the whole HHS data set from 2018 to 2024.
This is huge. Can’t wait to see what they find aside from fraud.
Since the agency was birthed by progressive geniuses in the Carter Administration, HHS has diligently protected the privacy of Big Pharma by keeping a death-grip on Americans’ health data. Even though, during the exact same period, we got fatter by the minute, our health got worse and worse, and we spent more and more trillions on healthcare. It’s none of your business because privacy. Science! Trust the experts! Shut up!
Now, taking the corporate media, pharma, and the political establishment completely by surprise, the data is suddenly out there. The VAERS data looked awful, but they wriggled out of that trap by sneering that the adverse event-reporting system —the system they created— was unreliable. But now we have a second data set— and it includes vaccination records.
What happens when the HHS data confirms the VAERS data? What will they say then?
Wow! Please keep us posted on what is learned.
https://x.com/DOGE_HHS/status/2022370909211021376
The treasury is offering rewards for fraud detection. This data set will help people track it down rapidly.
https://x.com/MAGAVoice/status/2022410612689768945
Anyone want to make a quick dollar?
This site is already up and running
https://www.medicaidopendata.org
When Dr. Ted Postol speaks I listen.
In case you don’t know, he’s the leading expert on nuclear weapons.
Also a nice discussion on how Israel has decayed into a fascist state by Postol who has Jewish ancestry and has visited Israel.
Deep thoughts by
Jack HandeyMartin Butler:https://martinbutler.substack.com/p/accident-or-design-does-it-matter
Speaking of Jack Handey, this one made me laugh:
Why would intelligent design care about one species? what is suffering for us might be joy for another. Maybe this is the design with the least possible suffering that could have ever been designed. There are so many different philosophical ways to cut it
You probably will find this interesting. (remove if uninteresting). Some symptoms from Norway. The political system is showing some fragility. Perhaps a symptom of bigger issues. Results from the Epsteins files in Norway: Diplomat Rød-Larsen is hiding in Abu Dhabi in a luxury apartment, former PM is under investigation for corruption (police seized documents), former NATO secretary Stoltenberg as disappeared, the king is on holiday and PM Støre dont remember anything.
I am not sure if it is fun or scary.
Don’t forget the current Norwegian royalty scandals…
I remember not so many years ago of having a mental image of Norway as being one the wisest and most ethical countries in the world.
Norway was one of the few oil rich countries that decided to save the wealth for future generations. Then they changed their mind and decided to spend it.
Now Norway is like the rest of the idiot unethical west.
As a Norwegian I have always known that Norway is unethical. Even if we distribute money to nearly everyone in Norway or make refugees relative rich we still uses other people nature. The reason we have some nature is because of ecological leakage (importing others nature). Our welfare state is impossible without low paid workers in other countries.
If you see pictures of old Norway it was heavily deforested, particularly by the end of the 19th century, with many regions resembling the sparse landscape of modern Iceland.
Decades of intensive logging and mining had depleted the forests, leading to a critical shortage of timber and prompting massive government-led reforestation efforts starting in the 1930. Before the 1900s, almost every square meter of the Norwegian landscape was used for survival. This put immense pressure on the land. Most clothes were made from local wool or flax, which required vast grazing areas. Once Norway began importing cotton and synthetic fibers, that pressure vanished.
Norway’s food self-sufficiency sits at roughly 45-47%. We import most of our grains, fruits, and even high-protein animal feed (like soy from Brazil) easing the pressure one own Nature.
You probably saw this from Cuba: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/14/cuba-fuel-shortage-trump-tariffs.html
Two guys with integrity who were at the epicenter of the covid resistance shitstorm reflecting 5 years later on what happened.
I haven’t finished watching it yet but some recurring thoughts are rattling around…
Now that I understand the proximity and implications of Cactus, it’s hard not to believe that covid was a deep state (aka intelligence/military) exercise to test tools and train citizens in preparation for Cactus. No other organizations have the awesome power to execute what we observed.
Many question though. Did they use the bioweapon lab leak as an excuse? Or did they deliberately infect citizens? Did they coerce mRNA so aggressively because they were genuinely worried about the bioweapon? They could have pushed saline if training citizens to comply was the goal. Why did the smartest country with the best intelligence (Israel) sign up for mRNA first? Why did China and Russia not use mRNA? Why did China and US collaborate on the covid deception, but now that peak oil is in view, are getting ready for war with each other?.
April 2020
Cruise ship ‘Diamond Princess’ at sea
‘covid’ on board
wide demographic babies to elderly
Infection fatality rate 0.14% (bad flu)
Deaths over life expectancy.. mid eighties
Demonstrating I think that the bioweapon was defective, which makes me skeptical about Jack Alpert’s plan for one rogue genetic engineer to create a sterilization virus.
Israel accused of spraying chemicals to poison Syrian farmland
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/2/10/israel-accused-of-spraying-chemicals-to-poison-syrian-farmland
Dear Yahweh, I’m really not looking forward to the consequences of another US attack on Iran, but please, I beg of you, if there’s going to be a war, use your powers to ensure that Israel is destroyed in the process so we can emerge a more peaceful and less evil world for the little time we have left until Cactus.
“What does Trump actually see in BRICS? Only one thing: the threat to the U.S. dollar. So in his logic they all become enemies — dealt with one by one. Starting with Iran. Add pressure from political donors and power networks. And we’re back to the same usual suspects – as scandals swirl around the post-truth elites behind the system.”
T. Ozgokmen
Saludos
el mar
Israel has at least 90 nuclear weapons. Given what we have seen them do in the past 2 years, I don’t think they would hesitate about using them, especially, if they thought they were going down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
That’s true, but if Iran does not have nukes by now they are the stupidest country on the planet. Saudi Arabia also has nukes and might object to Israel nuking a neighbor, as does China which needs Iran’s oil, as does Russia which does not want a western puppet Iran to its south.
You are assuming that Israel is run by rational people. I am not sure that is the case. If Israel is destroyed, there will likely be a regional nuclear conflagration as part of the process. This may also cause a nuclear winter that starves hundreds of millions if not billions people, and will almost certainly accelerate CACTUS.
Hello Rob,
Your sweet and pious nature really touches me. ( I am writing this with a completely straight face, promise) However sincere and supplicating is your prayer, perhaps you also meant to convey the extreme irony. The godhead you chose to direct your entreaty, Yahweh, is the sacred name which cannot be spoken of the god of Israel and it is this entity that is responsible for exhorting the same chosen people to effect ruthless genocide with abandon all throughout their arguably sordid history. I think you have addressed the wrong god in this case, maybe try Allah?
I hope this revelation in no way diminishes your fledging faith, for that is far from my aim, but it does pay to know which god might have the authority to respond to any particular petition, as misdirection may actually encourage the opposite intended result.
I am still backing the Sun as my god of choice. As ultimate giver of Light and Life for our blue-green marble, it is eminently worthy of our undying worship, but in these end times I beseech our Star to grant us the merciful blessing of a CME massive enough to conclusively subdue this species. We already have had all this time before the end, the few moments left of enjoyment and basking in glory of our species’ achievements on this planet no longer justify the suffering and destruction of the rest of the biosphere.
What started as a tongue-in-cheek quick post is now segueing into a spiral down into my remorseful, moral morass, which happens now with confessional regularity. We are so blind to the rest of Life. Can we not at least humble ourselves even for a moment to marvel at the will of each species to live, even if we cannot agree that they have the right in our humancentric world?
Just the other day I learned that the vaquita porpoise (and perhaps porpoises aren’t troubled by wondering what their porpoise is in life other than just live), smallest member of the cetacean family, has only less than 10 individuals left. They are officially classified as Critically Endangered (could there be a more wretched understatement?) as if there’s still a hope that we will save this species. These “little cows” (I suppose vaquita could be considered a term of endearment) easily could be the poster child of WWF (move over panda), with their cute smiles and diminutive bodies, also have a mindworld which we would recognise as consciousness. They are a lifeform evolved to a highest perfection of form and function, in complete harmony with their environment. We are a lifeform when evolved to our “perfection”, destroys form, function, and all harmony in the environment. Less than 10. We are over 8 billion. Our species is responsible for their imminent extinction, along with the 200 other species every day. Please humour Gaia and look up the vaquita. Gaze upon its image for a while, read the obituary we have written for them, and ask yourself, was it all worth it that this creature (and all others) should perish from the face of this earth?
Dear Sun, Thou who giveth all Life, forgive us who have willfully or not, destroyed so much Life, because that what our species was compelled to do. You have still given us the same Light and we have had our allotted time in your orbit, for which we are truly grateful even if we do not always show it. Please do what you can to restore balance and harmony on our planet and grant us the grace and peace to accept our fate. May we in our final days look up to you for guidance and comfort, even as your rays burn into our bodies, may the fire also absolve our souls. Amen.
Namaste, friends.
Hello friend.
Your prayer is so much better than my prayer.
On Yahweh, my understanding is that Yahweh founded the original life after death business that then spun off the squabbling subsidiaries of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Perhaps I’m wrong.
So sad to learn about vaquita.
It would be so nice to be a porpoise without a porpoise, unless you were being slaughtered by a religious fire ape.
Amen sister! And thanks for introducing the vaquita to me. Very cool.
If you haven’t seen this, watch the entire clip. It’s gold. Sun worshipping starts at 3:58
I think you and me gotta start the George Carlin fan club!!
I love this clip – Worship the sun and prey to Joe Pesci 🤣
The little vaquita came up in my news feed too, it said there were 20 left in the article I saw.
I liked this comment from Jeff McFadden. I’ve always laughed at the clueless morons who think anything in the Constitution / Dec of Independence / Bill of Rights… is for the peoples benefit. Same thing as the dipshits who don’t understand that the primary function of police is (and always has been) to make sure the poor don’t rise up against the rich.
Not sure what that pic is from. My guess is The Onion.
This was an interesting and eye opening interview on AI.
Peter Steinberger is the creator of OpenClaw, a personal AI assistant, that’s the biggest AI thing to happen since the Chinese scared everyone with DeepSeek.
https://openclaw.ai/
What I found most interesting was Steinberger explained how he uses AI to write AI software. He talks to the AI telling it what he wants with no typing.
Also interesting that this AI technology leader hates AI content and instantly blocks anyone that sends him anything that smells like it was written by an AI. He wants authentic human interaction with all its errors.
Glen Greenwald is on substack now. I’m pretty sure that people on this site are using Gemini. Here is Glen’s take on Gemini
After just a few weeks, I had to stop my use of Google’s Gemini because it was compiling not just segregated data about me, but also a wide array of information to form what could reasonably be described as a dossier on my life, including information I had not wittingly provided it. It would answer questions I asked it with creepy, unrelated references to the far-too-complete picture it had managed to create of many aspects of my life (at one point, it commented, somewhat judgmentally or out of feigned “concern,” about the late hours I was keeping while working, a topic I never raised
Thanks for the heads up runaway. I use Gemini every day but have not experienced anything creepy yet. Will switch if I see anything.
Clear thinking influential minds are concerned.
It was covid that opened my eyes.
Incompetence would result in random right and wrong decisions.
Evil is required to explain the 99% wrong decisions we observed.
Switzerland Gotthard Tunnel Ceremony 2016
Saludos
el mar
Summarize the message of this video.
Perfect song for this thread:
Heaven may be running on empty yet the devil rides
Heaven may be running on empty yet the devil rides
Heaven may be running on empty yet the devil rides
Hell burns by angel turns her pillow to the cooler side
Something diabolical
Dr. Tim Morgan today reminds us of the important big picture…
Hideaway reminds us that the way our leaders are responding to the end of growth is accelerating the Cactus collapse….
In case you missed it:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/2/10/israel-used-weapons-in-gaza-that-made-thousands-of-palestinians-evaporate
Israel used weapons in Gaza that made thousands of Palestinians evaporate
thanks Stellar for this link, Rob’s highlighted quote further down with regard to covid/epstein applies here too:
If demons exist, this is how they would behave.
But on a site that states human belief in God and the afterlife as the first peice of MORT, along with denial of reality, what can we make of such actions?
Yesterday i back tracked through some of Nate’s eps, and one frankly he discussed the role of pyschopaths in evolutionary development, stating that they have always existed and therefor served an evolutionary purpose and were approx 1 % of population and tribal cultures had feedback mechanisms that kept them in check. But now with our human numbers, this might be 30 million or more. And the qualities he described they have, shows how they have risen to places of power. I did not listen to this ep, but below is the one he summarised in the frankly.
One of the comments below states:
And then another comment, which referenced another episode he had as below, I thougth was good too:
The episode with regard to chickens was this one:
https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/56-david-sloan-wilson
Which i am going to listen to today while working outside.
And the other one I thought was brilliant that i listened to yesterday, and pondered my own levels of addictive behaviour was this one:
I have not listened to much NH for a long while, after the episode with Bill Rees, I felt annoyed that he even kept making them, like cmon, what the hell else is there to say. But it seems some of us have very active minds! and want to keep knowing what and how it all unfolds. Anyway, this woman was great and a really funny ep in places, I felt a lot of affection for Nate too in his vulnerability to admit his own addictions.
I agree that most people are very plastic. Think about 1920s Germany with it’s culture, literature, art, advanced science, and democracy, then think about Auschwitz.
I also thought the Anna Lembke interview was great. I kept it on my phone for another listen. It struck a little too close to home so I’ve been procrastinating having a closer second listen.
Ya, I liked that Lembke interview as well. Might have to watch it again.
Hated the dark tryad interview… anything to take the focus off humans being the most wretched creatures to ever roam the planet. But I really liked that chicken breeding comment.
And just cuz it’s fun to rag on Nate.😂 His Frankly today:
“still… trustworthy” Wow! Nate gives foreigners even less credit than me. Would’ve been much closer to reality if he had said “inside my country”.
Whatever the hell they want to be known for. Land of the free, home of the brave, american exceptionalism, the beacon of freedom/liberty/hope, etc. etc.
I’m still convinced Nate has never properly learned about the history of the country he loves so much. I’ve heard him on multiple occasions say something like, “I love my country and everything it represents, but I don’t like the way my government has been acting in recent years”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/12/switzerland-to-vote-on-far-right-proposal-to-cap-population-at-10-million
Switzerland to vote on far-right proposal to cap population at 10 million
Referendum on immigration limit could threaten EU agreements and cripple economy, say Swiss businesses
I’d expect this to start trending around the world. Did the Guardian get rid of their comment section? Bummer, I wanted to be entertained by clueless morons.
ps. I know some of you hate my music, but this one’s not optional. Full participation required. Had to change a couple words. So crank up the volume, sing along, and give me your best Gaia happy dance after the 2nd section. (should be queued up already at 3:20)
Great lyrics!
Damn you know a lot of obscure music. I’ve got a big library and everything you post I’ve never seen before.
I bet you could find a music AI to create some cactus music.
LOL, I’m still jamming out to this.
To the lurking bloggers here: this is a brilliant rally cry for doomers… you should help spread the word by including it in your next post.
Bondi: Why prosecute pedophiles when the Dow’s at record highs?
Translation: Prosecuting Epstein’s child sex clients will crash the market.
Here is another closure of an energy intensive mineral processing business closing down because it’s too expensive to operate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-13/kemerton-lithium-closure-wa-processing-challenges/106336122
In western economies they cite 3 different reasons for the high costs of operation, labour, energy and compliance costs. The latter realistically being, environment, govt rules, worker safety, insurance etc.
All 3 of these “costs” are actually energy costs, with the higher cost in western industrialised economies being the cost of increased complexity throughout the system.
Labour requires high pay to offset their own higher costs of living in a western country, more rules and regulations and taxes. Rules on how a house is built to live in. Taxes on owning a property, goods and services taxes on everything bought, food from afar that has it’s own set of complexity issues from production to distribution that all add costs, real energy and material costs to actual living, not just dollar costs.
Meanwhile what do governments do, as per the above article. They keep going in the direction of more complexity adding further energy and material costs to the system, then wonder why processing businesses can’t afford to keep going. the excuse is always about how cheap it is in China, undercutting the thriving business.
Yet the entirety of the western model can only operate providing we import the cheap products from China, like the solar, wind, batteries, plus nearly all of the machines, pipes, wiring, electronics etc that made up the refineries in the first place.
The current concept, that’s clearly not working, of becoming more insular by onshoring production, as espoused by Donny etc, is clearly not working, nor can it work in a world of less net energy.
One major problem is that “some” of the economics clearly does work, as in supply and demand. Yet because “some” of it is accurate, we humans make the mistake of thinking it’s all accurate, as in money does everything, which it clearly doesn’t as energy is what’s most important in modern civilization. It’s beyond modern economics to understand this though.
The above lithium refinery eventually cost around $A2.25B to build. That’s a lot of energy and materials to leave just sitting there not being utilized, but I’d expect a lot more of these statues in the not too distant future as the energy to run them dries up rapidly.
I really do like Brian Berletic despite him being the un-Denial of the geopolitical space in that he’s unpleasant and kills all hope by trying to explain what’s really going on.
If you have any hope for peace with Russia, or Iran, or China, you can forget about it.
The US continues on its mission to dominate the world at any cost.
Most Western leaders seem to believe that Putin is trying to recreate the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire. They think that conceding to Russia on Ukraine would have the same results as the Munich agreement of 1938. That is why they are not pursuing peace.
Chris, I expect you might enjoy today’s interview by Nate Hagens. Lots on the biophysical circumstances that enabled homo sapiens and modernity.
I plan to watch this later.
Thanks for the heads up. Gonna watch it tonight.
Fifth law of thermodynamics? what a load of bollocks or just plain denial.
Even climax communities in nature don’t last very long on geologic timescales. They are more transient than people realise as can only remain while a set of circumstances last, like the CO2 levels if we are keeping it on topic of this video. A tropical rainforest doesn’t last with a snowball earth, created by too little CO2.
I don’t remember anything about the 5th law in the Hagens interview.
I liked that Brannen discussed the rarely mentioned fact that our oxygen atmosphere, which enables complex life, requires a geologically active planet capable of burying carbon.
Which means we would not exist without fossil energy. Which might imply that we are simply following an amazing and rare script written by the universe.
He also discussed the miracle of how cells convert food energy via a proton gradient across a membrane driving turbines to produce ATP that powers all cells.
He’s kind of where I was at a few years ago accepting probable collapse but marveling at the miracle of our existence.
Go to 20 minute mark, listen for a while…
LOL, now I remember!
Whenever Hagens starts blathering about how more education will make us a better species and avoid collapse I tune out and think about something else like the herons fishing along the shore that I walk.
Sounds like he is channeling one of your favs, Nick Lane. I really like the way that you have been able to come up with your particular take on the miraculous, ‘we are simply following an amazing and rare script written by the universe’ and tune out the rest. When Chris and i chatted recently, we spoke about this, he said miracle after miracle after miracle in order for life to exist and for us to be here at all. (sorry Chris, to blow your cover ha ha). And that is all we will ever know. The curious mind that wants to dig and know and understand, and comes up against this.
Last night I had something akin to food poisoning, and for the whole day I have just been reading and watching stuff inbetween naps, lying in my fav arm chair. Despite the horrible unpleasantness of vomitting and some lingering nausea, it’s a nice change not to be thinking about food to prepare or cook or eat, and to deeply rest.
Hope you’re feeling better soon.
I do love Nick Lane. He tells such interesting stories about the miracles required for us to exist.
On top of all that, to be maybe 1 out of 100 million that understands what is going on, and to be alive at the peak to witness cactus.
Wow, what a privilege!
Wouldn’t his 5th law contravene the 4th (MPP)?
A few gripes with their hopium, but overall I liked this interview. Peter’s good, but Nick Lane sells the miracle after miracle bit even better (how dare you blow my cover Renaee😊). Halfway through the interview I wondered if Lane had ever been on TGS. I couldn’t find one. That’s kinda weird. Maybe they have a beef with each other.
Nate’s 5th law is hilarious. And of course the climate stability stuff caught my attention:
C’mon man! I already cracked this case wide open with my post about the other Holocene type periods. They come every 100k years or so. Nothing rare about it.
https://un-denial.com/2025/11/30/the-cactus-lens-a-clearer-view/comment-page-8/#comment-116403
After the interview I did more research and it looks like the previous interglacial periods are very similar to the Holocene except for one very important detail. They all have drastic spikes sprinkled in here and there (500-year droughts for example). Unlike the Holocene which unprecedently stayed within a +/- 1 degree Celsius range for 10k years.
So unfortunately we’re back to the fairytale of the skies parting just in time and miraculously giving humans this unheard-of climate stability. Ugghh, I hate it. A higher power at work makes more sense than this bullshit.
It might be simple luck. 🙂
Fun little fictional tale about the future by Quark. (Good story, but still too much hopium IMO)
Nadie lo vio venir – by Quark – Rayo Negro
This was the doc that Lyle Lewis was writing about upstream. One of the better wild animal vids I’ve seen. And the main star (Willow) lives up to the hype.
I despise everything about the way the blob operates… the competing, consuming, stealing, hunting, killing… but I absolutely love the creatures it produces.
The ending monologue had me laughing because it clearly shows why human consciousness is not compatible with this dog-eat-dog horror show:
“Yeah, there’s something sad about thinking that that story has ended. Willow may be gone, but in a very real way, her offspring carry her story forward out here by using the skills that she taught them to survive. So, I like to think of it that her story carries on.”
LOL. feelings and thinking and stories, oh my!
Very insightful 🙂 and this doco looks great, glad you followed up on it. The bothersome human overlay on the simplicity or rawness of life (the blob?), is captured so well in that quote and the bits you highlighted. That is where the trouble began for our species, along side the tools we used (fire etc) to advance.
I remember a while back you had a post that included footage of animals, and you said something about the animals having indifference and I thought that was also something of an overlay on their behaviour/being too. I wonder what you were getting at with that word, perhaps it was more in line with this articulation above, that they operate without the feelings, thinking and stories. There can still be those reactions like pain, fear, aggresion, playfullness etc functioning for animals, but what you were implying with indifference? What would a lack of indifference look like?
I had no recollection of the post you were referring to so I went looking for it. Pathetic that I can’t remember something from only three weeks ago. Damn nanoplastics!!
Ya, I’d still say the same thing for this documentary.
What would a lack of indifference look like? – any species after cooking its food for a million plus years.
Steps in a good direction…
Moderna attempted to get it’s mRNA flu shot approved using the old flawed testing method.
RFK Jr.’s FDA rejected the application saying better testing methods are required.
Moderna’s stock fell 7%.
Canada, Australia, and EU pharma controlled governments will probably approve it.
Turns out the depressed old peak oil guy knows something about the criminal state of Israel because his father was Jewish. Today he discusses Epstein and the fact Jewish people have gone from amazing brilliance to being quite stupid today.
I left this comment.
The US and New Zealand are the only countries that allow pharmaceutical ads on TV.
For me he is on shaky ground by referencing that book The Bell Curve, and has lost some cred. There are cultural/social influences on intelligence for sure but not ‘racial’ ones, as race itself is still used in an innacurate way. There is just one – the human race/ homo sapiens.
Yes, I tuned out on that bit because of the controversy around it. I don’t have enough knowledge to have an opinion.
I do have first hand experience, plus I can look at the country/culture of origin for Nobel prize winners, to be confident that, at least in the past, jews were unusually bright, per capita. Now they seem unusually unbright, so something’s going on.
I have not read the book either, but it sounded very suss and a quick look on the wiki page confirmed this.
Would you agree that although racism is a very strong negative force that has always operated, being fear of difference, that it is based on a false premise, being that there are different races? That’s all I meant.
The lack of intelligence with regard to Israelis I don’t see as that much different to the dumbing down of us all everywhere, on so many different metrics. Like Chris mentioned with plastic in the brain and all the other environmental possibilities and interactions, including Covid and the vaccines.
I do recall one for the very first sites I looked at in the early days of the pandemic, was an Israeli site of a long list of photos of people and the harms they had experienced after vaccination. A testimonial site.
These quotes illustrate the recent scholarship around race and genetics:
I don’t know anything about that book, The Bell Curve… but Max had me laughing. Ya, he was toeing the line and even stepped over it a couple times.
Yes definitely more about the dumbing down idiocracy effect than anything else. I was yelling at Max when he was acting confused about why they were so much smarter 50 years ago.
Re race, I totally agree with you and those quotes you plucked. But I think energy has a huge role in this. Kind of like those noble savages that show up in every King Kong movie. The much more civilized and shallowly handsome group despises these monsters. And that’s because the higher EROEI lifestyle is always gonna perceive itself superior to the lower EROEI lifestyle.
I notice this fault in myself sometimes when I’m in one of the super poor predominantly Mexican neighborhoods near my house. Or up north with some of the Native American towns. The hurry up and wait mentality of the western world is not as strong there. They drive slower. They talk slower (because they actually think before they speak). Overall, everything is slowed down in these lower EROEI worlds. And then you have me, Mr Empire Baby, zooming through their town and getting annoyed because it’s not as fast paced as I’m accustomed to.
The higher the EROEI, the bigger asshole you become… that should be one of the laws of thermodynamics. LOL!
Yep most likely! – when travelling in a lower EROEI country (for me India, Thailand, malaysia ) they had that slower, more laid back feel, and this seems sane and it’s hard to go back to so called normal. Though this was nearly 30 years ago, so these countries would be vastly different now they are more ‘developed’.
I was reading the Welcome page again just before, and someone left a quote from Tom Murphy that basically says this lack of tolerance of difference only gets ramped up when there is scarcity:
And I note that he too says ‘differenct races’ so this knowledge from genetics re race has not trickled down into common understanding.
btw Rob, the link through to Tim Garret’s work (on the Welcome page) goes to a page not found. Maybe there is some other source for him still around? It’s a really good page of your website, a great intro or ‘start here’ page.
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-enshittifinancial-crisis/
Long, looooong deep dive by Ed Zitron on the AI bubble. Really fascinating stuff.
Thanks, here’s my debt and energy lens perspective…
New debt exists for anything that might continue the growth that prevents old debt from becoming worthless.
There’s no more growth to squeeze out of pre-peak oil bulwarks like healthcare or schools, so there’s no new money available for them.
AI and space exploitation are the last hopeful growth dreams. The elite know these may be fantasy bubbles but there’s nothing else left with growth potential, and without growth everything goes to zero anyway.
So all in they go.
I think I said more in 100 words than this guy said in 19,000 words.
Comment on Bret Weinstein’s view on Epstein Releases by Coffee and Covid.
Maybe Bret just has the order backwards. Bret simplistically believes the order of operations should go like this: arrests, disclosures, understanding, public outcry. But maybe, given the scale and prominence of who’s involved, the correct order, the only practical order, is with arrests at the end: a few disclosures, a little understanding, more disclosures, more understanding, escalate to a crescendo, then public outcry, then arrests.
Remember: the elites in the Epstein files’ crosshairs have an unlimited ability to pay for lawyers and call in political favors. The former prosecutor-turned-Epstein-associates-lawyer became a federal magistrate. That same magistrate, Bruce Reinhart, later authorized the Mar-a-Lago raid.
What do you suppose that magistrate might do if a billionaire were in front of him and the DOJ were trying to offer Epstein evidence? And don’t forget about the flocks of $2,000/hour lawyers, public relations teams, and fiery politicians demanding due process that the billionaires would unleash.
It’s easy to quibble about the pace from the cheap seats. Pulling down and exposing a global order of elite networks and institutions is something that has never been done before in human history. It’s bad enough watching your neighbor trying to start his lawnmower and telling your wife, “he’s not pulling the cord fast enough.” It always looks easier when someone else has to do it. You try tackling the world’s most powerful, connected, and richest people sometime.
The point is that we are already seeing the cracks appear in the granite walls of protection. The institutions and elites are clearly unable to paper over the problems anymore, and the reputational costs are mounting. Royals are losing their positions. Governments are teetering. And it is happening fast, almost too fast. If it were happening any faster, the public couldn’t keep up with it— and the public must be on board, and the pieces set just right on the chessboard before arrests can begin.
But just look around. Something historic is happening. Bill Maher endorsed QAnon. Norway’s crown princess is in crisis. Billionaires are getting subpoenaed. And we’re just getting started. I told you 2026 would be off the chain. Hang on for the ride.
The Most Important Thing in Willow Was What Wasn’t There
I left one of those Wrangham/Ligotti comments at Lyle Lewis’s fine essay. Unlike Bill Rees and Tom Murphy who won’t touch this subject with a ten-foot pole, Lyle has no problem with it. Why is that? Simple. Lyle has shed a couple more last level denial layers than those other guys.
ps. Hey Richard Wrangham, hopefully you lurk here. That unexplainable sales spike with the book recently… I want my cut!!😂
ps. good song & good nostalgia video.
What came to mind most when I read his reply, is that quote from John Greer That MD used a lot:
Thank you for this link. I liked Lyle Lewis’s essay very much. The loop and feedbacks, that’s the lens through which I am preferably looking at the world.
Letting life do its thing (I include myself in that life), that’s exactly what I have been doing everywhere I can whenever I can, from very small surfaces to larger ones. With soil (and many other aspects of life), there is this accumulation loop that starts very small, very slow and then accelerates. Watching this unfold gives me kicks similar to what some people get out of drugs or increasing numbers in their stock portfolio.
Humans seem to get easily trapped in loops (while not necessarily aware of their existences). And the loops have consequences, but they can go bothways. There is the loop of misery, there is the loop of debt, there is the loop of violence, there is the loop of learning, there is the loop of abundance, there is the loop of gratitude… When moving from one loop to another, it starts very small, it’s difficult, progress is slow, and then it works out, and then at some point it gets out of your hands, beyond control. All loops, at some point seem to end in a way or another.
There is the ability to introduce feedbacks within the loop to balance it somewhat. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
The thing I don’t know is why I, particularly, enjoy the loop of soil growth so much, while other people will prefer other loops.
So how does all that makes humans a mistake? (If I am not mistaken, you also said humans are the result of multiple miracles, so that would make us a mistake that took a lot of miracles to create?)
Cheers 🙂
Hi Charles.
Feels like you’re setting a trap for me? I’m not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe.😊
I think Lyle summed it up pretty good:
No, no trap from me. Funny clip. Thank you.
Things are going to be damn fine. That’s basically all I am saying, I guess 🙂
Best.
Whether the cause is a leaked illegal bioweapon, or its unsafe and ineffective mRNA transfection antidote, the key point is no one has been held to account, and no lessons have been learned.
https://www.rintrah.nl/brain-damage-in-the-general-population/
Silence among my few friends.
Nice excerpt from the B interview explaining why diesel is the most important substance for modernity.
Here we have a cocky guy ranting about the stupid non-scientific plans of billionaires like Musk, and how completely ridiculous it is to think we could colonize Mars.
He lists dozens of reasons humans will never live on Mars, and then says…
He has no clue that growth will soon end, whether we want it to or not, and then modernity will soon end, and then he’ll be scavenging for potatoes instead of writing books to show how much smarter he is than the idiot billionaires.
Wondering when someone will show up to prove Cactus and MORT are nonsense and we’re the maroons?
Well, since the guaranteed outcome of it (everywhere in the universe) is a single species self-induced mass extinction… ya, I’m ok with calling it a mistake. LOL
I get nervous when I see it in question form. Usually means the author is gonna spin some BS to try and show that humans aren’t the most wretched creatures to ever exist. Thankfully, you don’t have to worry about that with FM. He sticks to the “you can’t change anything so might as well make the best of it” (which is the only place you can go).
I liked most of this video. He’s very well read on the big players of the pessimistic world. Which makes me chuckle again about how all those grumpy old philosophers were impressively able to understand so much yet miss the most obvious thing in the room. I can picture them all gathered around pontificating about the origins of human consciousness. “Hmm, where does this uniquely nightmarish phenomenon come from? What do we do that makes us so damn separated from nature? We may never know the answer to this mystery. Ok, enough of that. Let’s eat. Who’s turn is it to cook dinner?”😂😂
LOL
Haha! And I don’t think he’s reading or even has anything prepared… Just the gift of gab and can pretty much pull funny one liners out his ass anytime he wants.
Looks probable that US will attack Iran soon, or maybe not.
Possible outcomes range from a successful regime change to a world war and/or global depression triggered by closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
This is a good opportunity to demonstrate how difficult it is to predict the future.
If you have an opinion, please reply with:
The winner will receive a year of respect from the millions of un-Denial lurkers.
I don’t know but Netanyahu is “rushing” to Washington today: https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/netanyahu-washington-visit-trumps-ear-g9sbcxdpb?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqcuWlUiXnEgwlbROz17kVMKigwQmxKxTPedafKz14DCpewgXDOrOEebG9v-Mg%3D%3D&gaa_ts=698b0a06&gaa_sig=B5tkybADD6MeSeKDUqnpz17uikRr5gfBLIWw00eqxMJZmw_avxIc1q2CMjvJDvy2aYdZOjfx6W9VVsV0YM0TRQ%3D%3D
Was this bait to get me to write something? 😉
This is probably all wrong, but what you get from a good cup of coffee when you get up at 3 a.m.
AJ
HArd to know what is (or if) boxing Trump in on the Iran situation, I think it is mostly oil and China being the main play. I don’t think that there is anything Trump is worries about in the Epstein files.
From Coffee and Covid
Yesterday, the Epstein story took a hard right turn, as new documents from the DOJ’s latest dump incriminated the President— of trying to help take Epstein down. ABC reported the story, headlined, “Ex-police chief says Trump told him ‘thank goodness you’re stopping’ Epstein in 2000s.” In other words, the Democrats’ Trump-narrative just stepped on a sharp fact-Lego in its bare feet.
According to a much saucier account in the Miami Herald, which broke the story, local Palm Beach Police launched the first investigation into Epstein’s network in 2005. A Palm Beach woman reported that her 14-year-old stepdaughter had been recruited to give the mystery billionaire a massage and was assaulted. Heroic Palm Beach police chief Michael Reiter eventually assembled a roster of 40 underage victims. When the local district attorney refused to prosecute the case, Chief Reiter went to the FBI, triggering a federal investigation that ultimately led to Epstein’s disappointing first conviction —formally, a “non-prosecution agreement”— in 2009.
That wasn’t the end of it. The newly released DOJ files included the transcript of a 2019 FBI interview with Chief Reiter as part of the second Epstein prosecution under President Trump. At one point, Reiter mentioned President Trump. He told FBI that in 2006, Trump was one of the first people to call his office after Epstein’s charge became public record. “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this,” Trump told Reiter.
Trump offered cops additional details. He pointed Chief Reiter toward New York, and toward Ghislaine Maxwell, telling the Chief she was Epstein’s “operative,” and that “she is evil and to focus on her.” The transcript added that Trump told Reiter, “he was around Epstein once when teenagers were present and Trump ‘got the hell out of there.’”
In other words, though none of the articles point this out, Trump was volunteering to be a witness. Why else call police?
The Miami Herald article recounts troubling details about how, exactly, Epstein used his influence and money to dodge real punishment for statutory rape and trafficking in 2009. I won’t go into them here, but you can find them in the Herald article. Note how this new detail neatly bookends the story:
2006— Trump calls police to offer info two+ years before Epstein 1st conviction
2007— Trump kicks Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago after harassment incident
2019— Trump DOJ re-investigates and arrests Epstein,
2019— Trump’s DOJ compiles the full file
2025— Trump signs the Epstein Transparency Act, opening the files his DOJ built
When I finally put the whole timeline together for you, your eyeballs are going to spring out of their sockets and bounce off the walls like ping-pong balls. But this is enough for now. In other words, during the ‘aughts, Trump was giving Epstein the heave-ho and calling the cops on him— while Bill Clinton was racking up loyalty rewards miles on the Lolita Express.
I think another off ramp is being built for the US in dealing with Iran. No one wants nukes and it is very likely an aircraft carrier will be sunk which would be complete humiliation for Trump. It doesn’t fit with his art of the deal mentality. He always seems to demand huuuugggggeeee demands but is really only wanting smaller concessions that he chips away at and gets.
Here’s hoping we a re all discussing this next week.
On Iran, I have to continually remind myself that NONE of the geopolitical analysts I follow understand the severity of oil depletion, nor cactus, which means they understand nothing.
On the C&C view of Trump & Epstein, how is it possible, I mean seriously, how is it possible to write an article like that and not explain why Trump was gung ho to expose Epstein before he was elected, and then as president flipped to telling people to move long because there’s nothing to see, and calling friends traitors for pushing him to release the files?
Traps within traps perhaps. 4 years of your enemies holding the evidence could be a problem.
I have no idea. Cand C is definitely a Trump fan boy so that has to be taken into account.
I think what we are seeing as the bad cat blog talked about is a revelation of just how bad the human brain goes when given access to nearly everything you can imagine.
Dopamine has a lot to answer for.
To defend something while ignoring the most obvious evidence that undermines your defense suggests very low integrity.
It’s like all the people with zero integrity that defended covid policies while ignoring that governments refused to release the most reliable and easiest to collect data to confirm policy effectiveness: all-cause mortality transfected versus un-transfected.
Trump is also implicated in the files too. He is just as corrupt as the elites he claims to be fighting.
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What Trump corrupt?
Never. /sarc
I think the word politician automatically defines one as corrupt.
Billionaire also comes to mind.
I hope you get one more summer in your garden too AJ, we have just come to the end of ours here, and weird weather with intermittent heat spikes followed by mostly mild and cloudy days, means a lot of green toms still on the vine, and green caps/chillis too, like NikoB. May all our produce ripen into it’s full glory before the downfall of civ.
Another contributing factor to the situation in Iran: The fact that the country is running out of water
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/15/how-day-zero-water-shortages-in-iran-are-fuelling-protests.
Since AJ expects full on Iran doom, I’ll take the opposite bet so I don’t have to share the prize with AJ.
I think US believes Iran’s threat to escalate to full war if attacked, and US suspects Iran now has a nuke, which it probably does, so Trump will find an excuse to stand down. Maybe China or Russia will help by saying they will safeguard Iran’s enriched uranium.
A year or three from now when fracked oil and US GDP are falling in earnest, the US will attack for real, and then we’ll have WWIII with China and Russia.
I don’t think US will attack Iran. US don’t have Far Sea operation capability anymore and there is no Europe nor Asian allies to bring on this venture. And even when US had capability, it was impossible to win and Trump was the one that always pointing this out and called stupid. So I think he is bluffing for better position at the negotiation. Israel could manipulate and do some false flag operation or sudden attack, yet it doesn’t change the fact that Iran located the other side of the globe and for Iran, it’s a life or death matter.
And I don’t think there will be another hot war in the near future that everybody is worrying like China invading Taiwan, US attacking Iran, etc. US&Europe failed to win on Russia. Chinese know that in the long run, Taiwan or west will be weaker, and China is in no position of all out war now. Just pressuring wait will give them upper hand.
So no war, and marching towards economic disastor until the system no longer can support further complexification of AI with distorted economic, political polarization(bottom 80% is already not doing well in all countries).
That’s just my opinion.
One comment I heard in support of your prediction.
US does not have the assets to rescue 5000 drowning sailors from a sinking aircraft carrier in the middle east.
Imagine the impact on the mid-term elections.
I share your opinion.
Barring an accidental event, time is playing in favor of a reduction in the intensity, scale and length of conflicts. Peak war?
Here are some “reasons” I could try and give for this impression: the industrial base is not there anymore, the global economy is too intricate and fragile, there is not much to gain out of massive conflicts, there is so much to handle on other fronts (economy, ecology, social stability).
Hasn’t the war in Ukraine shown that noone really gains out of this? Isn’t this roughly a stalemate, with a high cost to both parties? Aren’t all military and geopolitical experts studying the conflict to adapt their doctrines?
It seems to me, there is currently a rebalance of powers, at all scale. In a way, the worst is already behind. There is something new being slowly established.