
This is a comment by Hideaway with a CACTUS example from the Iran war that I haven’t seen anyone discuss.
I expect there are thousands of examples like this that will become apparent in the coming months.
To repeat my core CACTUS message: If you value modernity and want to keep it going as long as possible, we must spread awareness of CACTUS.
Because our leaders are CACTUS blind, they are destroying modernity for all countries, while believing they are protecting modernity for their own country.
USA has plenty of oil, so states the leader…
How much drill pipe does the USA have?? It manufacturers most of it’s drill pipe, so everything is OK.
Except it isn’t. Where does all the high grade steel come from that has to be used to make these pipes? The answer is mostly from Asia, plus some from Mexico and Canada, with a bit from Europe. Try over 65% from Asia.
Where does Asia get it’s high grade iron ore from?? Mostly Australia and some from Brazil, across the world.
What happens if this supply gets cut because of too expensive or unavailable diesel, bunker fuel and jet fuel (Australia’s iron ore production comes to a halt without jet fuel, as the mines are mostly FIFO (Fly In Fly Out!! from Perth 2,000km away).
Australia produces around 65% of the high grade iron ore sent to Asia, with Brazil providing most of the rest.
How long before China, Japan, South Korea stop exports of high grade finished billets and steel products, with no high grade iron ore coming into the country?? Not long at all, they will look after their own industries first, like every country is already doing.
Basically within 6 months most of the drilling in the USA will slow to a crawl or stop altogether as drill pipe becomes scarce. They could only make much weaker pipe in the USA because of the low grade iron ores full of impurities, without the processes in place to make this high grade. Nobody does this as it’s always been cheaper to just import low price high grade steel or iron ore to make high grade steel.
BTW how is anything repaired in the Gulf, if China and other Asian countries stop exporting all the high grade steel and steel products needed to repair everything?
It’s a nice catch 22 we are setting up with this war, Australia can’t export iron ore or grain without fuel, China/Asia can’t supply the finished products for repairs without the iron ore, the gulf can’t fix their broken infrastructure without sending oil to refineries in Asia, which need enough for their own citizens before they can send products to Australia. Also the gulf countries need to feed their own people with Australian grain to have the manpower to do the repairs, which leads to fertilizer that can’t leave the gulf, or LNG that gets turned into urea in China, that, that, that.
None of the media, nor any of the experts really wants to look at the real picture, some are starting to get ‘bits’ of it.
It’s denial at its finest…
April 4, 2026 addition
This post is just mainly about steel and iron ore, it could easily be about diesel, fertilizer and grains exported, or LNG, naptha and plastic packaging and insulation for electrical wires, or the sulphur route. The point being that if anyone thinks they are ‘safe’ anywhere in the world, then just wait until the feedback loops hit you unexpectedly, as no-one is interested in following the full ramifications of all the feedback loops.
As a recent example of how complex self adapting energy dissipative systems really work, we had the example of cyclone Narelle across Australia recently. It gained strength in the Coral Sea to the North East of Australia, drifted West reaching category 5 before hitting the mainland, where it lost intensity. This is likely just like the world economy that lost intensity during the depression of the 1930’s and during the second World war.
Then Cyclone Narelle went across the gulf of Carpenteria, picking up strength with a new energy source of warm sea water. This is also just like the world economy picked up strength again with the new energy source of oil allowing more coal and gas to also be gained in the following 25 years.
Then Cyclone Narelle again hit land across the Northern Territory and Northern Western Australia, again losing energy intensity, but still had enough to reach the warm ocean waters as it kept heading west. The world economy also lost intensity as the peak of USA oil production hit in 1970 and during the oil crisis of the early-mid 1970’s up to around 1982, with stagnant energy availability and vastly increasing costs.
Once again Cyclone Narelle picked up intensity as it travelled South West off the Coast of Western Australia in the warm tropical waters, just like the world economy picked up strength again from new oil fields of Alaska, the North Sea, lots of efficiency gains, then a massive increase in coal production from China, and huge increases in LNG production and transport over the next 25 or so years.
Then finally Cyclone Narelle made landfall around Exmouth on the Western Coast of Western Australia, moving South East across land where it finally dissipated as it lost enough of its energy sources to turn into a rain depression without much energy by the time it went South across the southern coast of Western Australia, totally dissipated.. The world economy has also likewise probably hit an event where so much energy is lost that the entire system can break down and dissipate into a minimal energy system, which is not good for the 8.3B humans part of this energy dissipative structure we call civilization.
2 Nice short articles by George Tsakrakides.
https://georgetsakraklides.substack.com/p/gaias-revenge-why-humans-are-the
https://georgetsakraklides.substack.com/p/disaster-cannibalism-the-final-stage
From the 2nd one
Another banger today. Amazing they can produce these in less than a day.
Ghosting the Empire
Hello there Rob and all friends,
Thank you for sharing these Lego raps again–I for one did miss them here as they are an island of comic relief in the sea of morass. And ever since I renounced my US citizenship, it feels soooo good to be able to sass “not my president!”
Sorry I haven’t been more present these past few weeks, we’ve been working on the land just trying to get more plantings in (I see and hear you, Campbell, more power to you, Nicki and the kids!) whilst absorbing everything that now makes up the remains of our modern life. Unbelievably, I think I have settled into this new rhythm more than I ever thought I could, and again I turn to the philosophy of the Stoics for guidance. Every night I try to consider that my life has ended, and deserving of all gratitude, wonder, and contentment. Each morning I awake is a bonus day for me to do as I will to give that exclamation point or epilogue of meaning. I am so grateful for all these bonus days, but I am reaching a point where I don’t expect or desire more. My preps now have a focus of doing the best I can with the resources I have and situation I’m in (which of course is due to previous prepping), in the hopes that it may help others in addition to our small family unit.
At some point in every bonus day (and often multiple times) I check in here, this is my go-to sanctuary space where I feel most seen and accepted. In a way, it took un-denial and doom to bring us all together, each of us journeying to this oasis in our own time and way. When the student is ready, the teacher appears–that has been our blessing here as we have all learned from and taught one another. But even more miraculous, we have become friends and family in our goodwill and care for each other, once again, a gift of these days. I am so grateful for how it has unfolded for me, as it had to be so, and I will sleep and die in peace knowing that I have completed my full life with the best of companions.
Love and namaste.
I’m so glad to know you are still reading along here with us on the breaks through out your day. I am the same, when I sit down with a cuppa to put my feet up, un-denial is my go to place as I feel I have good buddies here and it is a blessing to have such an online haven and a place to connect, vent and share a laugh.
Today is the day I would have been flying to NZ to visit my friend, and I must admit I am feeling some ambivalence and wondering if I cancelled too soon. But it was not really a choice, as I just could not have done it, with the situation we are in. But as we live fairly close to the airport and I see how many planes are still flying, well so far there does not seem to be much break in BAU. I think a week ago Hideaway predicted one or two weeks before rationing begins, but currently I don’t see it happening quite yet – but we just dont know.
I love your night time and morning acknowledgement. Every day a bonus for sure. For me there is such a strong sense of anticipation as to how it will playout when the real fuel scarcity shows up or the markets finally catch up with material reality – or both. To be able to have a few days, maybe a week or two, in a quiet city with no engines will be amazing. But maybe that’s a delusional wish too.
On our street over the past couple of days a house was demolished and it had a mature apple tree and an orange tree heavy with ripening oranges, as well as lots of other quite lovely ornamental plants around the perimeter. Now completely razed to the ground, the entire house, every brick, even the concrete slab is gone, and not a single tree or blade of grass left. If there is anything else more insane in suburbia, than I don’t know what that is.
I’m glad you are enjoying your new non US citizen status too = there is a whole lotta fury headed toward America very soon!
My dear Renaee,
You are always a ray of sunshine and breath of fresh air, thank you for all your encouragement and easy companionship here. I am sorry that you aren’t able to visit your friend in NZ as so dedicatedly and lovingly planned. I hope you can take some comfort knowing that your spirit is with her and your shared mission, just as I consider you to have already have your presence at our place here by virtue of your heartful intention.
Things really are surreal and more so with every day, which fits very well with my illusion that I’m already living in an “afterlife!” I have friends and neighbours who are so BAU that there is absolutely no mention of world affairs in relation to all their short, medium and long term plans, even when I broach the topic to test the waters of their denial. (And de Nile is a very big river indeed which cannot be crossed!) Just today I spoke with my neighbour regarding her healthy superannuation fund which will provide for one overseas holiday a year, plenty of visits to the grandkids and at least one more new car. I suppose realisation will happen when the Cactus bombs start exploding everywhere all at once. Gee, this postscript of my life sure is an exciting afterthought to my main event of 55 years!
I was really saddened to hear of the death of an apple and orange tree, living things like all of us who did not choose to begin life but yet followed the utmost to grow, bloom and perhaps give fruit where we have been planted and with the gifts we have been given. It is not even so much what goodness and abundance these trees represented but the question of what harm did they ever do? to deserve such an ignoble end. Because I am in my bonus day, I can choose to entertain these romanticised thoughts for the trees and absolutely feel them true. Neither good nor harm will come from my shadowland indulgence now.
On another note, please forgive my trespasses if my earlier communication to you was too bold or out of line–I did not hear back from you and assume that what I wrote was a bit out of bounds and perhaps rightly so! I did not mean to offend and hope you will have ignored whatever may have done so. By now Chris will be incited to wits end wondering what I’m talking about! Secret girls business, bro!
Love and namaste, friend. Sweet rest and dreams to everyone, a prelude to another bonus day for all us.
Gaia,
I empathize with you. I live in such an ocean of denial (retirement accounts for my kids!, investment properties?, really), that if it wasn’t for MORT/CACTUS and folks here at Un-Denial explaining all those around me I would think I’m crazy. I console myself with working in my gardens and realizing that we live mayfly lives in an immense universe that has existed for billions of years before us and will continue for trillions of years into the future. We are indeed ephemera.
your friend
AJ
Hello there dear AJ,
So wonderful to have your company here. I always appreciate your comments which are often so to the point and at the same time express so much humanity and understanding in your sincere thoughts and words. I believe I have missed your birthday which I recall is earlier in this month of April? I hope you had a lovely day with your family, and many good memories, especially of dear canine companions past. I remember the year you turned 70 but these years have all been such a blur and besides, it doesn’t matter much anymore does it? Still, a very human thing to count our turns around the sun and I am happy that you have another Spring to devote to your garden, the Soil in which you’ve been planted and to give you greatest comfort.
Thank you for your friendship, to my ephemeral being our connection is even more a cherished and brilliant spark to punctuate the infinite.
All the best to you and your family.
Love and namaste, friend.
Hi Sis. Great conversation with you and Renaee.
And I’m with you both about the gratitude for un-denial. Yes, funny how we all got here. I think everyone in the audience could write an essay on how they ended up finding this site and yeah there might be some badly written essays but I betcha they’d all be interesting.
I like your bonus day outlook for dealing with the insanity.
And damn you for that secret girls business.😊
ps. Since you’re a fan of 80’s music, I’ll share this. Song’s ok but it’s the video that gets me.
Been listening to 80s & 90s all night. That was only the third song that made my eyes water. Not bad. The other two were The Jets – Make it Real and Klymaxx – I Miss You.
LOL, dont worry I’m very stable. Like Liza Minnelli, stable as a table.
Great post, thanks.
Hello Bro,
You’re the goods. I do like Starship, We Built This City and Nothing’s Gonna to Stop Us Now were like anthems in my youth. Now our cities are ready to implode and there most definitely is an impenetrable Cactus wall awaiting our collision. I think the reason why I still dip back into that era of music is because part of me yearns for that carefree feeling before full responsibility and more awareness. Adolescence in modernity in the States was a heady combo! But despite that initial pleasure and comfort wiring in my brain, it never overcame my growing sense that something didn’t add up in our world. Anyway, fast forward 40 years and here I am, happy to be right here, right now, with you all.
Hope you’re going alright. Thank you for sometimes sharing snippets and observations of your daily life. I do appreciate all your prepping efforts, it’s a lovely sign of your care and concern for your family’s welfare even though they may not totally appreciate it yet. (now you know a little bit of what it may be like to be a parent). Did your water tank arrive yet? Is that meant to collect rainwater, I suppose you do have the occasional deluge in the Phoenix area (if so, you should install a first pass system in the downspout to block all the initial dust and debris from entering, not too much drama, I’m sure Home Depot will have the adapter).
You could always ask Renaee if she’s willing to let you in on our secret. Little brothers have a way of wheedling into things.
It’s always good to see you here nearly every day, Chris. Keep well and give Mr Zeus and Bear an extra scratch for me.
Love from sis
Gaia! Two references that resonate in a single comment! I wrote the below less than a month ago at another site I follow.
And second reference- I am more and more settling in to the stoic mindset. It’s only logical. 🙂
A favorite saying of mine ( of obscure origin) is “when the student is ready, the teacher will appear”.
I take two things from this. One is that the teacher has always been there, but was not visible to the student, until some event or newly triggered awareness lets them finally see and reach for this source of knowledge.
The second thing is- what must the teacher feel in all that time of waiting, wondering if their chance to share and pass on their hard won knowledge will ever come?
These days, with near daily slaps upside of the head, one wonders why the myriad students have not gotten that trigger. Too much ease and distraction so far in our cosseted nation, but I continue to hope the step change will occur in time to help at least some get to a new level of awareness before it’s pointless.
And- I hope you hang in there at some level to be ready for when the proverbial student perks their head up, and says, “oh s***, I need to change”.
Hello Steve,
Thank you so much for your uplifting response. It is prime sowing season in the Midwest and I am happy to know that you are on the land and finding comfort. What you posted the other day really resonated with me as well and I, too, went forth and planted peas and potatoes (our subtropical autumn and winter is akin to the spring season). Planting a bit every day is my lifeline to and from past, present, and any future, whether for my own organism or any other (and with all the wildlife here, I think they are rubbing their little paws together in waiting for their smorgasbord of tender new delights!)
Your shared wisdom has fallen on fertile ground, thank you. It’s interesting but I still always view myself as the student in every encounter, or perhaps fellow classmate along with the other. I try to have antennae at the ready to learn, as there is something to take away from every experience. Sometimes I feel that the teacher is something awakening in me and for me, as the lessons of realisation are so direct and personal to my own awareness. I most certainly have learned so much from so many here, and the informational details (as juicy and topical as they are) are only one aspect of the learning. To me, the guidance received on how to live our days during these times, through the sharing of our thoughts, insights, and emotions and the connection we have as conscious beings seeking even more awareness, that has been the greater and most treasured part of the curriculum, and at this junction, the most useful.
So, your post declaring that it was time to have a break from this insanity and go out and get our fingers into the soil was much needed and appreciated admonishment from a respected teacher, thank you!
Go well and bless and thank you for your trust that Spring sowing is the hope for harvest, however it comes.
Namaste, friend.
It makes me happy to know you still lurk here and that you are well.
Thanks for stopping by to say hello.
Oh Rob,
It makes me happy to know that you’re happy and you should always be happy in this because I will always be happy just for having this connection with you and everyone here. I am well in body and spirit and that is my prime directive now and until the end, so you can be happy in that, too. I am happy knowing that we are all trying to help one another stay well in body, mind, and spirit and that this line of communication is still open to us. We have so many reasons to be happy together! Even Cactus can’t touch that.
As for lurking–that word carries a connotation of a thief in the night, some furtive motion done in secret with some unsavory intent. I, being Gaia, do not Lurk. (what a funny word, try saying it aloud, fast, five times. Bet you’ll be laughing) Neither do I sneak, creep, skulk, or prowl, here (I looked up synonyms). Loiter is not quite the correct descriptor, either.
At last, I have found the proper term for my daily mystery presence here–I Luxuriate in this blog! Whilst the content of the news may not give me any new delight (except those Lego things, I’m pretty addicted) just knowing we are all still here and together meeting head-on what comes gives me such a sense of pleasure, pride and joy, and yes, I am encouraged to thrive through this, with our spirits going supernova. I feel wealthy and abundant in friends here. I am completely and totally happy here.
I hope you know that I do want to say hello to everyone every day and just give you all a high five for keeping keeping on as we are all doing in our own way. I am so proud of you and proud to be part of this tribe.
Thank you, Rob, for being our calm, cool, and collected centre. The times shared here has made all the difference, I know I speak for everyone. Let’s all live happy today and repeat for as long as we can.
Love and namaste.
Thanks for adding laughter to my overflowing happiness.
It’s very nice to luxuriate with a few lurkers that see the same reality that I see.
💖
This is just so random and funny
I think niko is being totally unfair here. We’ve been at it for 6,000 years. With another 6k years of Time Binding (Steve St. Angelo’s phrase that I like). So that’s a pretty long track record (12k yrs) where it didn’t go off the rails just because we started civilization. It’s only the last two hundred years that caused the 6ME. So the jury is still out. Having over 10k years of proven performance may let civilization off the hook.
If you doubt my impeccable logic, then you doubt the great and all-knowing Tom Murphy:
ps. I’m just picking on Tom cuz he rejected a recent comment where I was actually kissing his ass. The fucking egos of these bloggers.
“Hi Tom. I just watched that Nate interview with you and DJ. It was excellent. Some of the comments are calling you this generations Carl Sagan. I totally agree. You are incredibly good on video. I can watch you talk about anything.
But don’t let all this praise give you a big head… you still make me crazy with the whole 10kya we humans lost our way.😊”
Steve St. Angelo @ POB.
https://peakoilbarrel.com/december-world-oil-production-slides/#comment-796027
If you’re curious what’s going on behind the scenes in the white house, and what’s driving the insane Trump tweets, this is worth watching.
I listened to this yesterday while I was repairing drip irrigation to my expanded Jerusalem Artichoke beds in the garden. Barnes really makes a case that Trump is completely unhinged and most of those working for him live in fear of crossing the Mad King and suffering his rage. No 25th Amendment as it wasn’t designed for true insanity but only for someone who is debilitated and unconscious (like Woodrow Wilson was).
AJ
Barnes also made the important point that people who have disliked Trump forever have missed the fact that he really is a different and much more dangerous person since something changed in his brain 6 months ago.
The side by side comparison is genius. Explosive Media needs to do this more.
Think of the average american idiot who knows nothing about history and is so proud of his country and chants “USA” every time the opportunity presents itself… even that guy has to be scratching his head after some of these clips.
It’s so obvious why true american history is so feared. Same reason that Critical Race Theory scares them so much.
I know I’m forbidden from posting any more Iran Lego videos but fyi there have been some killers in the last couple days.
it’s your site Rob! though it’s really nice how you treat it like a democracy. Why not pick the best of the bunch and sneak one in 😉
LOL, you tease.
I’m still a fan of them. It was just getting too much. I’ll lift the blockade on the lego videos as long as you promise not to post ten a day. Deal?
I thought it was Hideaway that aggressively shut me down. Maybe you tag teamed me and I didn’t notice because Hideaway’s one scary dude. Reminds me of Ted Kaczynski. You don’t want to get on his bad side.
LOL
Yeah, Hideaway was the one who originally asked for a ceasefire. And it was widely supported because his comment got around 250 likes.
You can start posting these clips again. Maybe 2 per day should be the limit. As long as you don’t go over the limit, Hideaway promises that he won’t send you a pipe bomb in the mail.😂
Just stopped by Panopticon after not visiting for a while.
Damn, let’s all just step away from the keyboards for a while.
I’ll be clearing my head planting peas and potatoes tomorrow.
Yep, the news is crazy making.
I’m struggling to understand why once sane countries like Canada, Australia, Germany, India, Japan, etc. haven’t spoken up as one voice and said to the US, enough of your bullshit, you’re destroying the global economy including yourself, stand down and go home.
Climate change news is also off the charts. Been kind of ignoring it of late but checked in with Alex Smith @ Radio Ecoshock today while working at the farm and he says the climate system has flipped into a new regime and it’s too late to do anything about it. That’s a big shift for him.
Yeah, I’ve been slacking with the climate change news. Watched a couple of Paul Beckwith videos last night to catch up. LOL, let me bring you up to speed; WASF, and every prediction continues to be wrong because we underestimated or whatever. Planet is on pace for 10C warming by end of century.
Just a reminder for anyone still learning about climate change, anything above a 2C rise is incompatible with civilzation.
human beings are incompatible with civilisation long term.
and another reminder, 10dC is almost double the GMST long term, ie 15dC.
Good point.
Translating for others, the temperature on land increases more than the ocean temperature for a given global energy increase.
Even the majority of Americans disapprove of the war.
Can you post the link to the radio ecoshock podcast?
I’ve looked at which substack blogs The Honest Sorceror’s account marks as being read by him and found a grouchy retired British civil servant who blames everything about the modern on how the foundations of liberalism have a side effect of corroding the foundations of ethics. I’ve only read a couple, but a search of their back catalogue reveals a couple different mentions of Spinoza (a green flag in this case), so I’ll eventually read through their whole blog.
No idea whether they know that, being a component of a dissipative structure, many ideologies that were much better than liberalism in maintaining sacred values/structures were created in parallel with liberalism and were selected against and discarded, because they failed to maximise short-term big picture thermodynamic growth metrics. If I find that they mention it, I’ll comment here about them once more at that time.
In the mean time, here’s their most recent essay, on the topic of why the EU produces more infighting than before. Thought it might deserve a rec.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-194274693
Aurelian is a dude, if you do manage to wade through his back catalogue (he is very prolific and writes very long essays) keen to hear your thoughts. I never had the patience for them.
I scanned the above long essay looking for the idea he was trying to communicate but was unable to find it.
Yes exactly. Dave Pollard often linked to him with praise, so I have tried to read these essays before, but just gave up in frustration. Long winded and does not get to the point.
Surrender or else “we knock out every single Power Plant, and every single Bridge, in Iran”.
He capitalized Power Plant and Bridge. Must be serious this time.
If Trump goes ahead and takes out the bridges and power plants and Iran takes out all the GCC infrastructure in retaliation how long would we have until CACTUS? Months? Weeks? Days?
Ugghh, that goddamn song. Horrific!! (and remember, it’s the most requested funeral song of all time. Makes perfect sense for this phony civilization)
Figures that Trump is a fan. My TDS is flaring up.
A counterpoint to Trump and all the ugliness:
https://x.com/TOzgokmen/status/2045651779811954736
GUESSTIMATES ON WAR TRAJECTORY:
Imo, there is no diplomatic solution to this war, because:
1) If USA leaves the region, Iran becomes a global superpower & US will have deserted Israel, which is politically impossible due to domestic dynamics.
2) Iran will not willingly hand over nuclear, open Hormuz or change regime.
Hence the war will resume soon shortly…
3) However, US (or Israel) cannot win this war just like US could not win against Vietnam or Afghanistan, simply because Iranians live there & are defending their country, cannot go anywhere else, no country is powerful enough to invade Iran and US is fighting from 10k miles away, with a partial military allocation.
4) US cannot nuke Iran because Iranians have at least 1000 pounds of weapons grade nuclear material and the step to a bomb from there is simple; so they have nuclear bombs & nobody will take the chance for trigger a nuclear war in the Middle East.
5) By the same token, Israel cannot nuke Iran either because Israel is a tiny country geographically & retalliation could wipe it all out.
6) US cannot destroy Iranian energy facilities because those attack will have to come from Saudi lands and in return Iran will destroy Saudi facilities.
6) Any attack using ground troops will fail, because Iran is like a fortress and supply lines will be cut; no tanks can drive in Iran. However, this will be most probably the next step in the escalation ladder.
7) If air bombing continues, Iranian missiles will continue to destroy Israel and GCC.
8) Economic impacts of this war will start appearing in a few months while political impacts for US will emerge in midterm elections in November. These are some timelines for turning points.
All of these things were clear way in advance, yet S & Israel started this war anyway. This tells me that the war will continue because we are not dealing with logical & sensible leaders.
How will this war end?
This war will end just like Vietnam & Afghanistan: US (and Israel) will remain on escalation ladder for as long as they can and then stop & retreat as their economies and public support for this war collapse, or when they run out of ammunition due to rare earth shortage, fuel shortage, troop shortage, leader willing to attack shortage etc. When current circumstances change…
When?
I have no idea… could be in 2027 or 2029 or later… I very much doubt that tis war ends sometime in 2026… such wars never ends fast.
Implication for global economy?
Probably immense…
Nice find.
It’s a mess.
I see another scenario he did not discuss. Much of the world will soon suffer without diesel and jet fuel, before US joins them. I can imagine extreme pressure being placed on the US to stand down.
Global pressure on one country like we’ve never seen before.
Iran has been very careful to ensure the entire world understands that the war and Hormuz closure is 100% the fault of the US.
Nice reflective conversation by some important people in the deep green movement.
I appreciated their discussion on how people are dumbing down and going crazy as modernity collapses.
Lot’s of unpleasant truths spoken here about the magnitude and implications of our overshoot. There is no good path left.
At 1:40:30 Max Wilbert tells an interesting story about 2 friends who worked full time for 5 years to see if they could sustain themselves completely from 1/4 acre of land using intensive permaculture techniques. In the end they produced enough food for about 1/3 of one person. They were located in Portland which has good growing conditions. Imagine if they tried the same experiment in a city like Los Angeles or Chicago.
But, isn’t 1/4 acre only 0.1 ha? If I remember well, European medieval families had at least 5 ha (I think to feed 4, maybe up to 6 people). So, to me, 1/3 of a person for 0.1 ha is really impressive.
At the world level, there seems to be only 0.17 ha of arable land per person (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/arable-land-use-per-person?country=OWID_WRL~WB_SA~WB_NA~WB_SSA), but 0.59 ha of agriculture land per person (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/agricultural-area-per-capita?country=OWID_WRL~OWID_NAM~OWID_SAM~OWID_AFR).
And world population is going to decrease (it has already started in several large regions of the world).
And even with the ongoing crisis, there is still quite a lot of oil and gas going around.
And there is still a lot of useless energy expenses, from the point of view of feeding the population only (not with the current system, that I agree with Hideaway, and not that maximising population is a goal per se)
So no, there are still “good” paths left. But, yes, there is a lot of inertia and apathy, which may be shaken when food prices increase more.
An interesting question I wonder: have you tried the game of some small scale experiment to grow food without using any fertiliser bought from far away (if only to reduce inputs cost)? For instance, with rapid-growth plants that are regularly pruned to cover the soil, and/or with animals of various sizes, and/or with various witches mixtures with ingredients of dubious but local origins 😉 ?
Best.
I don’t use any fertiliser on my plants, just the deep litter compost from the chook pens (cold compost), and liquid comfrey tea, and worm castings. If not enough comfrey, I use seawead liquid feed (seasol) and Charlie Carp (fish guts liquid) ,but not much of those. A 1/4 acre is actually pretty large if intensely planted. They used to be common in the suburbs, but not any more.
Answering your question in the last paragraph, the answer is yes. We take anything we can get on a local level, manure, woodchips, seaweed, spoiled hay. We save every eggshell, coffee, banana peal every drop of pee. It has taken us 5 years to get our soil to an acceptable level. We actively farm around an acre, the rest of our 9 acres are in tree growth. Did the same thing back in NY before we moved to our present location. Luckily we haven’t had much competition for these resources, though that is changing quickly even in our rural environment
In your last sentence I think you are talking about chop and drop popularized by permies. That is slow going.
Don’t wait
Yes.
Thank you for your answers and Renaee’s.
I was wondering about Rob (or rather the farm he is contributing to).
Chop and drop, syntropic agriculture pruning (as a way to stimulate growth, and picking the right species to go as fast as possible https://agendagotsch.com/en/pruning-instead-of-fertilizers-and-irrigation/), even Fukuoka’s one straw. To me, same principle, different scales and specifics.
I know of one example on a 1/4 acre block that not only feed their own family but feed workers who stay at their property as well (I have stayed there), and they have a network of 80 families that they engage in a gift economy with, so that greatly widens the ability for their households to sustain themselves, when there are other households you share and exchange with.
But I know just because a few isolated example exist of household/community self reliance, does not mean that it can scale up. Most likely the people in Oregon who could not make it work were not embedded in a community of like-minded households doing the same thing. I dont think it’s possible in isolation.
And as you can see from one of their latest blog posts, they hope that soon after the ‘normies’ disappear, then life will return to ‘normal’.
https://artistasfamily.is/2026/03/18/as-the-normies-disappear-life-will-return-to-normal/
Or a longer blog entry here gives more examples of their life and values.
https://artistasfamily.is/2026/02/25/in-praise-of-the-humble-wheelbarrow-or-what-luddites-can-teach-us-today/
But this has not been my life or experience, but it does exist, it can be done for a small dedicated few.
I really respect all three of these guys in the interview, so will listen in as well.
I listened to Nate advising that none of us know exactly what’s coming, and how metabolically expensive it is to hold that uncertainty, and it was a really helpful talk and I do admire that he still has all these chats with people, even when the comments section tell him there is no point. I remember feeling that same frustration with him many times. We do want a simple story so our brains can check out and focus on much smaller and more manageable problems to solve, not predicaments. So in some ways it is easer to believe that we are completely cactus and will die off soon, but we just don’t know how it will unravel. We could get a command economy with a very strict authoritarian response and rationing and CBDCs, or it could be brutal chaos and back to hunter gatherer style life for any survivors, or nuclear winter and end of all life. But either way I need to let go of the permie fantasies!!
Holding it all as it gets ever closer is quite an amazing feat. But today was a perfect day for me, and so grateful for life. Last night we watched Austen Powers (thanks for reminder Chris!) and a really good laugh before bed is best medicine too.
I have been skipping the slow morning swim/spa and opting for the bike last couple of days, and I think this is a good change, to get out of breath for a bit.
No point to this post. Just a couple excerpts from two recent essays that touched on my favorite subject. (h/t Renaee for the 2nd link).
https://lylel.substack.com/p/substance-without-spectacle
https://recombinationnation.substack.com/p/five-bold-theories-about-human-evolution
ps. Love this song & video, but I can’t hear the word cactus anymore without instantly thinking about collapse… thanks a lot undenial 😊
You always find the best songs 🙂
Got it from the Juno soundtrack. Give it a try. Bet you’ll like at least half the songs.
HHH @ OFW…
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2026/04/02/losing-the-iran-war-may-be-the-best-outcome-for-the-world/comment-page-7/#comment-506644
Hideaway explains a core CACTUS idea…
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2026/04/15/322-gentlemen-and-players/comment-page-1/#comment-51509
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/iran-war-the-chokehold-tightens
B’s latest article about operation Epic Fail.
I suspect that we will see the Wiley Coyote moment by the end of the year.
B also says we are witnessing the start if WWIII.
Andril Zvorygin, the young Canadian spiritual talented small scale farmer/computer programmer who leads the only group of experts in the world that regularly discusses the most important threat facing modernity, peak oil, explains why a shared god is required for cooperation and peace, especially when we try to work with aliens from other planets. 🙁
Well-played Andrii… How could I be so stupid to forget to include the alien angle in my new salvation story.
HideAway, some months ago you wrote of the benefit of Q10. I didn’t question that at all and simply started taking it. Not too long ago I visited a cardiologist and I listed him the supplements I take. Basically zinc, magnesium, vitamin d and q10. He said to me as I’m only 38 years old he deems it unnecessary. As I’m running low I would have to restock. Would you still supplement Q10 in my shoes? Thank you very much!
I started taking Q10 when I was around 40, fairly regularly back then. I still take it but not as regularly as I tend to eat a more meat based diet than back then.
At just on 70, I have a resting heart beat in the 60’s and BP of 115/65-70, and no issues according to my last blood test (not that I actually believe cholesterol levels etc from doctors being bad, but mine were all good anyway)..
Mind you I’ve never been a smoker, nor do I drink these days..
The global refined product shock could take until 2030 to rebalance:
I don’t get that at all. Even without the war we would be well to decline by 2030.
Yes, Berman knows better. He has a history of his MORT circuit breaker flipping on and off.
A peak oil aware person with a conspiracy bias might look at world events and conclude there is a campaign underway to hide peak oil and blame geopolitics.
It might be possible to avoid global panic if everyone thinks the problems are man made and therefore can be fixed.
I’m thankful to Marandi for the clarity he provides on the news chaos. I haven’t caught him lying yet.
He confirmed everything Trump said today was a lie.
Another good one trying to make sense of the lunacy in the news today.
Canadian Prepper interviewed Marandi today.
There’s a lot of overlap with other interviews he’s recently given so probably not worth the time if you’ve heard him speak in the last couple days, however there was one new important point made here.
Iran clearly understands that if Hormuz remains closed for much longer we may be facing a “civilizational collapse”, not just a depression which is already certain.
I’m not sure what the US understands on this matter. I get the feeling US thinks we’ll be ok if Hormuz reopens quickly.
Iran also understands that when the economy collapses US will not be able to afford a military presence in the middle east, and so Iran expects US to escalate soon, and Iran will then retaliate.
I’m thinking of becoming a charlatan. I’m just not sure which area will be in higher demand… Cornucopianism or Afterlifeism. Maybe I’ll merge the two into something that Americans can relate to:
“God wants Christians to spread throughout the universe. To accomplish this, God has instilled in us a knowledge for unlimited clean energy called nuclear fusion. But he has locked this gift up until we Christians purge all of the non-believers off this planet and into the depths of Hell where they belong. And when this fusion gift becomes available, with it also comes a guaranteed ticket to Heaven.”
https://martinbutler.substack.com/p/springtime-for-charlatans
Boy – he is on the money here. In a previous life I would have been one of these suckers lining up for such salvation, that’s why Saltzman was life changing in this regard. It finally got through to me that no one knows anymore about ultimate matters than I do, and we are all in the same boat in this regard, the clueless boat of not knowing why we are here or what it’s all for if we are really honest, and those who profess otherwise are either delusional or lying and out to make a quick buck – so you can put yourself in the latter camp, and go for it! As long as you don’t start to believe your own BS 😉
Consider this metaphor:
“Think of a thermostat. It has no soul, no intentions, and no freedom from the laws of physics. But it regulates. When the room gets cold, it fires the heat. When the room warms up, it stops. Nothing about that process requires an uncaused agent standing outside the mechanism, and nothing about the regulation is illusory just because it is fully caused.
Now scale that up to a human being. When you touch a hot stove, you pull your hand back. When you embarrass yourself publicly, shame registers, and that feeling pushes behavior in a different direction next time. When you succeed at something difficult, satisfaction registers, and what produced the success is more likely to recur. These are feedback loops, more intricate than the thermostat’s, but the same basic structure.
Credit and blame work the same way. The group notices which behaviors help it hold together and which destabilize it. It amplifies the former through praise and recognition, and suppresses the latter through blame and sanction. The individual internalizes those signals over time, which is why guilt can run without anyone watching. The loop has moved inside.”
So the only problem with your plan may be – that guilt starts to run on it’s own internally – like the thermostat, a feedback??
I’m amazed that those who profess to believe in an all powerful creator think that what that creator wants may not happen, depending on what his creations “choose” to do.
Take a look at the following video. You only have to look at the first 3 minutes or so. These 2 sisters have what looks like a water heater on their stove with a thermo syphon going up into the ceiling or the floor above. Always been told that a set up like this will cause cresosote to build up in your stove pipe.
And on the goings on today there is this:
Things I trust more than “Trumps Says”
Airport Sushi
A fart after age 60
Covid Vaccine
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Just a reminder, covid mRNA is not a vaccine.
It’s a gene therapy transfection that they called a vaccine so that they could leverage the public’s warm and fuzzy feelings about vaccines.
In addition we don’t know this to be a fact, but I strongly suspect based on lots of circumstantial evidence, that covid mRNA was designed as an antidote for a bioweapon that accidentally leaked.
They had the DNA sequence and began working on producing mRNA before anyone died from covid.
well maybe you suspect but I certainly don’t..
among the ingredients list you have the LNPs (highly inflammatory which they’ve known for decades), SV40 oncogene promoter, bacterial plasmid DNA and extremely high levels of endotoxin. Not to mention ‘spike’ itself and god knows what else. A proper witches brew..Shir I suppose it’ll either cure you or kill you 😉.
Kevin McKernan presentation New Zealand commission
https://rumble.com/v6uhd1d-presentation-to-new-zealand-commission-on-mrna-vax-contamination-of-the-blo.html
I agree with you.
The piece I suspect but do not know is that mRNA was originally designed as a bioweapon antidote rather than as a healthcare product.
In addition to your points mRNA violates key safety requirements for drugs:
Any intelligent ethical person would expect problems when you inject a substance that causes cells to produce non-self proteins in all organs including the brain and heart, and you cannot control how much is made or for how long.
All of the above is so obvious that the only possible conclusion is that most health care “professionals” are idiots and/or unethical.
They also seem to have a hot fire with plenty of room for air flow into it, without control of allowing it to be closed down, so constant high heat wouldn’t produce much build up. It’s when you close a slow combustion heater down, that temperature drops with the cool water allowing the build up of creosote. It’s not the end of the world though as you just need to clean the flue more frequently to overcome the problem. Just rack up another task to do..
Additionally, depending on how much water is tapped off and how frequently, the tank could keep the stove pipe warmer and partially reduce creosote buildup.
In the summer, that room may get uncomfortably warm.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
from the comments:
This is a more complete list. March 1 – Esmeraldas Refinery – Ecuador March 2 – Ras Tanura Refinery – Saudi Arabia March 2 – Ras Laffan LNG – Qatar March 2–4 – Fujairah Oil Terminal – UAE March 5 – Bapco Sitra Refinery – Bahrain March 5 – Petromax Refining (tank fire) – United States March 8 – Tehran fuel depots – Iran March 9 – Bapco Sitra Refinery – Bahrain March 11 – Salalah Port Oil Storage Facilities – Oman March 11–16 – Shaybah Oil Field – Saudi Arabia March 11–16 – Shah Gas Field – UAE March 12 – Salalah Port Oil Storage – Oman March 12 – LyondellBasell Bayport Plant – United States March 13 – Sohar Industrial Zone (energy/fuel facilities) – Oman March 16 – Habshan Gas Facility – UAE March 18 – South Pars Gas Field – Iran March 18 – Asaluyeh Petrochemical Complex – Iran March 18–19 – Ras Laffan LNG (major attacks) – Qatar March 19 – SAMREF Refinery (Yanbu) – Saudi Arabia March 19 – Mina Al-Ahmadi Refinery – Kuwait March 19 – Mina Abdullah Refinery – Kuwait March 19 – Haifa Oil Refinery – Israel March 23 – Valero Port Arthur Refinery – United States March 24–27 – Isfahan gas pipeline – Iran March 24–27 – Khorramshahr gas pipeline – Iran March 25–29 – Ust-Luga Oil Terminal – Russia March 26 – Kirishi Refinery – Russia March 26–27 – Primorsk Oil Terminal – Russia March 26–31 – Gorgon LNG Plant – Australia March 26–31 – Wheatstone LNG Plant – Australia March 26–31 – Karratha Gas Plant / North West Shelf LNG – Australia March 27 – Yaroslavl Refinery – Russia March 28 – Salalah Port Oil Storage / Gas Products Facility – Oman April 1–5 – Ruwais Refinery – UAE April 3 – ONGC Mumbai High Platform – India April 3 – Primorsk Port Infrastructure – Russia April 4 – Lukoil-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez (NORSI) Refinery – Russia April 5 – Bapco storage tanks – Bahrain April 5 – Gulf Petrochemical facilities – Bahrain April 5 – NORSI Refinery (additional) – Russia (Lukoil) April 7 – Bhilai Steel Plant-2 (turbine/power station) – India April 8 – East-West Crude Oil Pipeline (pumping station) – Saudi Arabia April 9 – Pemex Olmeca (Dos Bocas) Refinery (coke storage fire – 2nd fire in a month) – Mexico April 14 – Vedanta Sakti Plant – India April 15 – Viva Energy Geelong Refinery – Australia April 16 – Haripur Gas Pipeline – Pakistan
the originator of this list thinks it is a coordinated global attempt to send the world into energy lockdowns. while today apparently things are fine again and Hormuz is open. i’m not sure I buy this version of events, given all the US troops/ships still on the way, but I guess we’ll know more by next week.
“March 26–31 – Gorgon LNG Plant – Australia March 26–31 – Wheatstone LNG Plant – Australia March 26–31 – Karratha Gas Plant / North West Shelf LNG – Australia”
Nothing mysterious about Cyclone Narelle, it hit with full force off that coast..
“Viva Energy Geelong Refinery – Australia April 16“
Those are just what I know about, might be the rest of the list has a few easily explainable issues as well, which kind of destroys the authors argument..
How many older refineries are taking off spec oil right now, and wouldn’t it be more likely this is the problem instead of sabotage? There is a saying along the lines of never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence.
It seems a lot more difficult and scary to people that there probably is no-one specifically driving an agenda at all.
Compare outcome for global economy of:
To Renaee and anyone else struggling with awareness, today’s talk by Nate Hagens on how he deals with it might be helpful.
Thanks Rob, will listen in.