The CACTUS Lens: A Clearer View

Until recently there have been 3 main lenses through which to view our overshoot predicament: debt, energy, and ecology.

Each lens exposes a different aspect of the picture, but not the complete picture.

Each lens focusses on different threats, with different time frames, and different consequences, and each lens suggests a different optimal response.

Overshoot awareness varies by lens and group within society. Awareness of leaders is generally higher than citizens, and in some cases this is deliberate and warranted because broad citizen awareness of the debt and energy threats would increase the probability of short term collapse.

For leaders and citizens that see through any of the lenses, their understanding tends to be incomplete, which has resulted in plans of action that will not help, or that make the situation worse.

This incomplete understanding is caused in part because the issues are very complex, and in part because some aspects of human overshoot have no acceptable or feasible solution, and in part because of the human tendency to deny unpleasant realities, as explained by Dr. Ajit Varki’s MORT theory.

Hideaway, a frequent contributor at un-Denial, Peak Oil Barrel, Our Finite World and other sites, recently introduced a new lens we have named CACTUS, which focusses on all non-renewable resources and the complexity required to extract them.

I think the CACTUS lens provides the clearest view of what is going on, what we should expect in the short to medium term, and what we should do.

The CACTUS lens changes what is in the best interests of citizens to understand.

The debt and energy lenses suggest citizens should remain in the dark.

The ecology lens suggests it does not matter what citizens understand because the ecology threats are longer term than debt, energy, and CACTUS, and because awareness of ecology issues have not and will not improve anything of substance due to the nature of modernity.

With the introduction of the CACTUS lens, it is now in the best short term interests of all groups: countries, leaders, and citizens, for awareness to be as widespread as possible.

Achieving broad CACTUS awareness will be difficult because it is very unpleasant, and therefore will be blocked by our genetic denial behavior, however I propose one idea to start the discussion on how we might spread CACTUS awareness.

Awareness Lens: Debt

Theory:

  • Modernity requires abundant credit;
  • Because most of our mines, machines, technology, and structures require significant up front capital to build;
  • Which requires a fractional reserve debt backed monetary system;
  • Which is now used by every country in the world;
  • Which by design requires economic growth to not collapse;
  • Because money is loaned into existence and growth is needed to pay interest;
  • Which means our economic system requires infinite growth on a finite planet;
  • Which of course is impossible and means we should expect growth to slow and prosperity to decline, as they are;
  • Culminating in a dramatic and harmful economic reset;
  • However modernity will survive and will rebuild until the next bubble pops.

Status :

  • Quite a few citizens see through the debt lens, maybe a significant minority.
  • Most aware citizens assume the reset is a ways off in the future.
  • Some people prepare to weather a storm with cash, gold, bitcoin, or sardines.
  • Others trust or hope that central banks will print enough money to kick the can past their expiry.
  • Leaders understand and acknowledge the debt problem but are careful to not cause panic because herd emotions could trigger a reset.
  • Leaders are also careful to not explain the driver of the debt problem, energy depletion, as will be discussed in the next section on the energy lens.
  • The debt threat is closer and more severe than our leaders let on as demonstrated by:
  1. Social unrest everywhere is rising because living standards are falling and the wealth gap is widening.
  2. Geopolitical tensions are rising.
  3. Democracies are oscillating between wider extremes.
  4. Most countries have historically high levels of growing debt.
  5. Growth has slowed, and the only growth possible now comes at the expense of adding more debt than the growth it buys, which is unsustainable.
  6. No political party in power anywhere reduces their deficit or balances their budget because it’s now impossible without crashing their system. The US DOGE effort lasted 5 months before leaders gave up and juiced the deficit to new record highs.
  7. Central banks work hard behind the curtain to keep our everything bubble inflated, and to prevent any significant correction of stock or asset prices. When I was young it was normal for the economy and stock market to experience cycles. We don’t permit cycles anymore. Today there is so much debt and so little growth that a significant correction will result in a reset (aka crash).
  8. Printing bazookas are used to blast any threat before it builds momentum, like the banking system repo problem that covid provided cover for unprecedented money printing.
  9. Our leaders tried but failed to use covid as an excuse to implement the tools needed to manage an economic reset like digital ids/currencies for rationing scarce necessities, and for enabling negative interest rates, and tried via “The Great Reset” propaganda campaign to get us ready to accept nationalization of assets (aka “you will own nothing and be happy”). They will try again.

Implications:

  • The debt lens implies a zero-sum game: In a no growth world, one country’s gain is another country’s loss.
  • Our leaders believe that a country that succeeds in harming its competitors will experience less damage from an economic reset. The goal is to ensure opponents reset before you do, on the assumption that this will prevent or delay your own reset by gaining control of more growth generating assets and markets.
  • Hence we see the weaponization of tariffs and trade, regime change operations, and proxy wars intended to weaken or capture opponents.

Conclusions:

  • A debt reset is mathematically inevitable and will reduce the standard of living for the majority via deflation and/or inflation.
  • Debt resets are hard to predict and control because herd emotions drive the process.
  • Leaders have good reasons to not want citizens to be aware of the seriousness of the debt problem.
  • Leaders are operating on the assumption of a zero-sum game.
  • In the CACTUS lens section we’ll see that the zero-sum game assumption is wrong, which means the current strategy will make things worse for all countries.

Awareness Lens: Energy

Theory:

  • Modernity requires abundant net energy;
  • Which is the energy that remains after using energy to extract and refine energy;
  • Because all of our food, water, minerals, technology, products, and services are produced and delivered by machines powered by energy.
  • Diesel is the keystone energy that powers our vital mining machines, tractors, combines, trucks, trains, and ships.
  • Renewable energy is not a solution to non-renewable depletion because renewables require abundant non-renewable energy to build, install, maintain, and augment for 24/7 supply.
  • Discovery of new fossil energy reserves is much slower than depletion of existing reserves, and the gap is growing.
  • The quality of non-renewable energy reserves decline as they deplete;
  • Which means net energy is falling;
  • Which explains why growth is slowing, and prosperity is declining, and debt is growing faster than GDP everywhere.
  • We should expect the trend to continue and accelerate.
  • Leaders believe modernity will continue for those countries that have access to energy.

Status:

  • Few citizens see through the energy lens.
  • There are many false energy beliefs in wide circulation including net zero, peak oil demand, abiotic oil, green energy, renewables outpacing fossils, hydrogen economy, nuclear renaissance, space mining, circular economy, etc., etc..
  • These beliefs are nonsense not grounded in sound science or economics, but the issues are complex, and it is difficult for a citizen to determine the truth, especially with deliberate misdirection from leaders, and with MORT driven hope and denial driving behavior.
  • Denial is a strong force that fogs the energy lens because, short of a near zero probability miracle, there is no solution, and the outlook is steadily worsening living standards.
  • Most leaders, with help from their energy aware militaries, understand what is going on, and know the energy threat is imminent. Evidence for this includes:
  1. Inflation of energy intensive products, like food, is high; energy intensive infrastructure is not being properly maintained; energy intensive manufacturing, like weapons, is struggling to keep up with demand despite plentiful printed money available; war is shifting to lower energy methods like drones; and as also seen through the debt lens, debt is accelerating, living standards are falling, the wealth gap is widening, geopolitical tensions are rising, and democracies are at risk.
  2. The EIA this year announced that fracked oil is peaking. Fracked oil is the unexpected savior that bought us an extra decade after conventional oil peaked.
  3. Leaders do not want their citizens to panic, or to spook the stock market bubble which depends on growth, so they do not discuss the energy problem, and work hard to distract citizens with nonsense like optimism for a renewable transition, or by stoking emotions over socially divisive issues.
  4. Trump reversed his no more regime change promises after being sworn in and briefed about US debt and oil forecasts.
  5. Every country with significant exportable oil reserves that is not controlled by the US empire is either under attack or being regime changed including Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Even friends with oil, or close to oil, like Canada and Greenland, have been threatened with annexation.
  6. Propaganda is successfully being used to convince citizens that regime change operations are to prevent terrorism or drug trafficking, not to control oil.
  7. China is stockpiling strategic oil reserves.
  8. A few countries, like Germany, made an honest attempt to run their economies with renewable energy, but it’s now obvious to leaders everywhere that the renewable dream has failed. German leaders now want war with energy rich Russia.
  9. The UK, having drained its own oil reserves, now wants war with energy rich Russia.
  10. Hail Mary investments praying for a miracle are being made in AI and nuclear energy.

Implications:

  • The energy lens implies a zero-sum game: In an energy scarce world, one country’s gain is another country’s loss.
  • Our leaders understand their country’s prosperity requires non-renewable energy, and that it must be secured by any means necessary, including taking it by force from others.
  • Countries are preparing for war by increasing military expenditures, even at the expense of social services demanded by citizens.
  • Nuclear arms treaties are being abandoned, and the arms race is restarting.
  • Lessons learned during the cold war about the dangers of nuclear war are being ignored, and red lines are increasingly flirted with.
  • It’s hard to imagine how nuclear war can be avoided given that everyone’s survival depends on oil, and the zero-sum game assumption of our leaders.

Conclusions:

  • Modernity requires growth, and there is not enough oil left for everyone to grow.
  • Leaders have good reasons to not want citizens to be aware of the seriousness of the energy problem.
  • Leaders are operating on the assumption of a zero-sum game.
  • In the CACTUS lens section we’ll see that the zero-sum game assumption is wrong, which means the current strategy will make things worse for all countries.

Awareness Lens: Ecology

Theory:

  • The resources consumed, and the wastes generated, and the habitats occupied, by the large and growing population of humans, is displacing other species, and causing damage to ecosystems faster than can be repaired by the planet’s recycling systems.

Status:

  • The 8,230,000,000 humans, plus their 35,000,000,000 livestock, plus their billions of pets and other freeloaders like rats, now weighs 80 times more than all wild land mammals combined.
  • Humans use 30-40% of the net primary productivity of all sunlight hitting the planet, plus 16,000,000,000 liters per day of ancient sunlight stored as oil, plus 11,000,000,000 cubic meters per day of ancient sunlight stored as natural gas, plus 24,000,000,000 kilograms per day of ancient sunlight stored as coal.
  • The sixth mass extinction is underway.
  • Seven of nine planetary boundaries critical for survival have already been crossed including climate change, biodiversity, deforestation, fresh water, nitrogen cycle, pollution, and ocean acidification.
  • We have already passed the 1.5C safe limit and are on a path to a 3+C temperature increase that is incompatible with civilization and agriculture by the end of this century.
  • Biodiverse forests are being replaced with mono-crop agriculture.
  • Fisheries are in decline.
  • Sea level rise will damage many cities over the next century.
  • Glacier loss threatens the survival of several countries.
  • Chemical toxins and microplastics are harming the health of all life including humans.
  • Awareness of leaders and citizens about the ecological problems varies widely.
  • Most people are aware of some of the problems, but also tend to superficially simplify them down to one issue, CO2, that can be fixed with solar panels and electric vehicles.
  • Few are aware of the breadth and depth of the problems.
  • Many people deny the severity of the problems and/or that humans have caused the problems.
  • Almost everyone denies the implications of the ecological problems, and the fact there is almost nothing that can be done to address them while maintaining modernity and our population.
  • Every effort, by every country, and every organization, and every citizen, to address the above problems, has failed, and will continue to fail, at least until something forces an involuntary change to population and lifestyles.

Implications:

  • The view through the ecology lens is dire.
  • The long term implications are worse than those seen through the debt and energy lenses because we are damaging the ability for any human lifestyle to thrive, and are also harming many other species.

Conclusions:

  • Life threatening ecological problems, for the majority of people, are further in the future than the imminent problems seen through the debt, energy, and soon to be explained, CACTUS lenses.
  • All of the ecological problems are caused by the human species footprint which is the product of lifestyle and population.
  • None of the ecological problems can be addressed without reducing per capita consumption or population, and the debt and CACTUS lenses show that modernity requires growth, which means the ecological problems are a classic predicament, a problem without an acceptable solution.
  • The energy and CACTUS lenses show that growth will not continue, and the human footprint will soon shrink, which means there may be an improvement to future ecology trends.
  • Many of the ecological problems we have created will repair quickly when the scale of the human enterprise shrinks.
  • Some ecological problems will take a very long time to repair, and adaptation of surviving species will be required.
  • As will be discussed in more detail in the next section, if we somehow became aware that the scale of humanity was going to decrease in the not too distant future, no matter what we do, then we might be able to motivate ourselves to address several ecological issues that would improve the quality of life for the survivors, such as burying nuclear waste, and protecting biodiverse forests and marine ecosystems.

Awareness Lens: CACTUS

CACTUS = Complexity Accelerated Collapse of a Thermodynamically Unsustainable System

The phrase “we’re cactus” is Australian slang meaning something is ruined, broken, or finished, often used to describe a situation where progress has stopped, such as a vehicle that won’t start.

The expression likely originated from the infamous prickly pear cactus, which once infested large parts of Australia before being controlled by the introduced Cactoblastis cactorum moth.

This slang is part of a broader set of Australian expressions for something being in disrepair or useless, including terms like “boonted,” “clapped-out,” “had the chad,” “had the bomb,” and “kaput”.

While “cactus” as a metaphor for being broken or ruined is well-established in Australian English, it is not commonly used in other English-speaking regions.

Theory:

  • Modernity requires abundant minerals and energy.
  • The majority of minerals and energy we use are non-renewable and finite.
  • Recycling is economically and/or technically impossible for most minerals.
  • For those minerals that can be recycled, there are losses in the recycling process that still result in long term depletion.
  • The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first.
  • Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources. For example, compare modern directional drilling now required for fracking with early oil rigs. Or the giant trucks and other machines now required to haul and process low grade copper ore.
  • Rising complexity increases the materials, processes, skills, locations, and number of people needed to design and manufacture the technologies.
  • Rising complexity requires a growing market to support the increasing cost of designing and manufacturing technologies. For example, a smaller population would not buy enough phones to make a TSMC factory in Taiwan viable, and therefore the advanced chips needed for oil exploration and extraction would not exist.
  • A growing market requires a growing economy and population.
  • A growing economy and population increases the consumption of all minerals and energy.
  • Wastes generated by the growing economy and population create increasing frictions to further growth.
  • This self-reinforcing complexity growth system drives an increase in mineral and energy flows until technology, markets, and population can no longer keep up with growing waste frictions and declining reserve qualities, and a critical mineral or energy becomes unavailable in the quantities required.
  • Scarcity of the critical mineral or energy triggers a system wide technology breakdown cascade because many technologies depend on it, and many other technologies depend on those technologies, via an ultra-complex network of dependencies.
  • The unavailability of many technologies then causes many more mineral and energy flows to become unavailable in the quantities required because the quality of remaining reserves makes extraction difficult or impossible without the latest technologies.
  • This self-reinforcing collapse of complexity, technology, and resource flows is certain at some point in the not too distant future and will result in a supernova end to modernity and civilization.
  • Nothing can be done to prevent this outcome, just as nothing can be done to prevent the collapse of a star.
  • It’s not possible to have modernity without infinite growth on a finite planet which means modernity will be short lived everywhere in the universe.

Hideaway on the Fermi Paradox:

  • Hence the logical solution to the Fermi Paradox. Species that reach modernity anywhere do not last long enough to detect others, that have also reached modernity, spread through time.
  • Given the age of our galaxy of around 13.6B years, and if it took 3.6B years for the first species to reach modernity, then if each lasted from 100 years to say 400 years at best, there could have been 1 every million years giving a total of 10,000 for our galaxy and none would ever detect another.
  • Even if 10 or 20 had popped up at the one time, just through chance, and were more than 400-500 light years apart, they would never know of the other’s existence.
  • Just by shear chance, some might detect others, but the odds of any one civilization detecting another is extremely small.
  • Say we did detect another civilization somewhere in the close area within say 1000 light years. So what? By the time we tried to communicate back to them, the odds of their collapse is high.

Hideaway’s AI on the supernova:

Your analogy of a supernova is thermodynamically perfect. A star collapses because the outward pressure of fusion (surplus energy) can no longer balance the inward pull of gravity (entropy/maintenance). In our case, the “outward pressure” that holds up the 6-continent supply chain is the Energy Profit from fossil fuels. Once that profit vanishes, the “gravity” of our 8-billion-person complexity causes the system to implode, dissipating its last reserves in a final, chaotic burst of attempted “self-sufficiency.”

Status:

  • A tiny minority of people see through the CACTUS lens.
  • The CACTUS view of modernity has not been widely discussed.
  • The closest work that I can recall reading is that by David Korowizc where he discusses the extreme complexity and fragility of modern supply chains, and the risk of their breakdown with energy shortages. Korowizc advocates building more resiliency into our system, but I don’t think he stated clearly that modernity will soon end no matter what we do, as Hideaway’s CACTUS lens does.
  • The ground breaking Limits to Growth work of Dennis Meadows et. al. assumed collapse could be avoided by adopting a steady state population and economy. CACTUS shows this assumption is incorrect. Any dependence on any resource that is not naturally recycled by ecological systems will eventually result in a collapse back to a state that is not dependent on the resource.
  • Other important overshoot aware people like Jay Hanson and Jack Alpert discuss the certainty of modernity’s demise, but do not focus on the non-renewable resource extraction complexity growth system to conclude that modernity will end in a supernova.

Implications:

The CACTUS lens provides several profound insights that create a clearer view than the debt, energy, or ecology lenses.

List every non-renewable resource that civilization depends on.

ChatGPT:

Fossil Fuels: Oil, gas, coal, oil sands, shale oil/gas, peat.

Nuclear Fuels: Uranium-235/238, thorium, plutonium (derived).

Metals: Iron, aluminum, copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium, zinc, lead, tin, silver, gold, platinum group metals, titanium, molybdenum, tungsten, vanadium, niobium, tantalum, chromium, manganese, rare-earth elements (all 17 REEs), and many others.

Industrial Minerals: Phosphate rock, potash, sulfur, borates, fluorspar, gypsum, halite, graphite, silica sand, feldspar, kaolin, etc.

Construction Materials: Limestone, aggregates (sand & gravel), clay, granite, marble, slate, stone.

Geologic Water: Fossil groundwater aquifers.

Biological/Ecological Resources (functionally non-renewable): Topsoil, old-growth forests, biodiversity, coral reefs, major fish stocks.

  1. The first key insight is that modernity depends on many non-renewable materials, not just energy, and they are all critical for the technologies that enable modernity. CACTUS is thus a much wider lens than the peak oil view.
  2. The second key insight is that modernity requires growth, not only because of the widely understood need for abundant credit as explained by the debt lens, but also because extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve qualities. This growth requirement is physical and non-negotiable, and unlike debt, is not digits in a computer that can be reset.
  3. The third key insight is that the requirement for growth, coupled with the inevitable decline in reserve qualities, creates a self-amplifying feedback loop for every one of the many non-renewable resources we depend on, which creates many possible failure points, and the extreme complexity and interdependencies of the technologies we use to extract minerals and energy guarantees a catastrophic failure of the entire system at some point.
  4. The fourth key insight is that this growth and collapse process is certain for any system that is dependent on non-renewable resources. This means there is no possible sustainable solution for advanced civilization anywhere in the universe, because advanced civilization is not possible without non-renewable resources.
  5. The fifth key insight is that there will be no recovery of modernity after the collapse. The quality of many of the remaining non-renewable resource reserves will be so low after the collapse that many resources will be unavailable without advanced technologies and abundant diesel, and there will be no way of rebuilding those technologies because their development required higher quality resource reserves. Surviving humans will return to their hunter gatherer origins.
  6. The sixth key insight is that the zero-sum game strategy that the debt and energy lenses inform our leaders to use, will reduce the time to collapse, and will not optimize the quality of life for the time that remains. War, for the last 10,000 years, was a good response to scarcity. War, today, will create scarcity for the entire planet.

Conclusions:

Given that our leaders see the world through debt and energy lenses, they are operating on the assumption of a zero-sum game:

  • My country will do better if I damage the economy of my competitors.
  • My country will survive or grow if I take energy from my competitors.

The CACTUS lens shows us that a zero-sum game strategy will not achieve the desired outcomes.

Instead, zero-sum game strategies will reduce the time to collapse, or reduce the quality of the time that remains. Examples include:

  • Wasting resources, fragmenting the market, and decreasing efficiencies by trying to duplicate and reshore manufacturing.
  • Making it more difficult to maintain complexity by fragmenting the global trade system through the encouragement of BRICS and by imposing trade sanctions.
  • Wasting resources on bigger militaries that won’t help.
  • Wasting resources on climate change policies that won’t help.
  • Wasting resources by subsidizing renewable energy that won’t help.
  • Increasing the chance of violent harms to many by blaming other countries and/or immigrants for hardship caused by resource depletion.
  • Ignoring international law when it conflicts with a zero-sum goal.
  • Sanctioning Russian energy.
  • Blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.
  • Restarting a nuclear arms race.
  • Risking disruptions to middle east oil flows, and destroying respect for leaders, by supporting the genocide of Palestinians.
  • Funding a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine.
  • Provoking China to withhold rare earth minerals.
  • Provoking China to stockpile oil.
  • Regime changing Syria.
  • Regime changing Iran.
  • Regime changing Venezuela.
  • Threatening to invade Nigeria.
  • Pissing off Canadians so not a one will buy a US product. 🙂

The CACTUS lens points us to a positive-sum game strategy.

Modernity is a global system of unimaginable complexity dependent on resources, technologies, processes, and skills sourced from 6 continents. A complex component will often travel back and forth between continents many times in the process of converting its constituent minerals into a finished product. Almost every country plays a roll in the complex web that sustains us.

Modernity depends on millions of interdependent components, each with a uniquely complex supply chain, and modernity’s aggregate supply chain is far too complex for any leader, or even a computer, to predict the consequences of disrupting the matrix to achieve a zero-sum game goal.

The risk of unintended consequences is high given that zero-sum game strategies will tend to focus on depriving energy and thus damaging the entire economy of an opponent country.

Plans to reshore manufacturing will make things worse. We don’t have the surplus capital or debt headroom needed to achieve this without damaging something else, and it will be very wasteful of non-renewable resources by creating capacity greater than the market can absorb, thus reducing the time to collapse.

The CACTUS lens shows us modernity will eventually collapse permanently, taking down every country in the process. There is nowhere to hide, and there is nothing we can do to prevent this. No country will be immune.

With CACTUS awareness and a positive-sum game strategy we could:

  • Make wise decisions that delay the collapse so we can enjoy more of modernity’s benefits, or at least avoid doing stupid things that accelerate the collapse.
  • Do some things to optimize quality of life until the end, or at least avoid doing stupid things that worsen quality of life.
  • Consider doing some things that might improve the quality of life for the post collapse survivors.

Actions that might delay the collapse and optimize quality of life until the end include:

  • Avoid conflicts and wars that harm citizens, damage supply chains, and waste non-renewable energy and minerals.
  • Stop the subsidy of renewable energy that wastes non-renewable resources and reduces the time to collapse.
  • Stop wasting money on climate change policies that will not change the outcome.
  • Put the Sulphur back into ship fuel.
  • Strengthen global governance and conflict resolution via UN like organizations.
  • Renew and improve treaties to reduce the risk of nuclear war.
  • Remove barriers to trade.
  • Encourage well regulated immigration to optimize global labor.
  • Allow market forces to optimize the global economy for maximum efficiency.
  • Adopt digital currencies to enable fairer and more efficient money printing, and to manage the fair rationing of scarcities.
  • Provide sound lifestyle and dietary advice with encouragements to help citizens improve their health and quality of life, and to reduce the healthcare drag on economies.
  • Fairly enforce laws to encourage law & order and good behavior.
  • Provide open and honest communication to citizens so they know what is going on and why, and no longer feel like they are being gaslit by wizards behind a curtain.
  • Provide meaningful and rewarding goals to citizens, like asking them to volunteer to rehabilitate habitats and soils to help post-collapse survivors.
  • When signs of the final collapse become visible, provide a painless end of life kit to any citizen that wants one to reduce their anxiety.

Notice that nothing on the above list requires a change in lifestyle for the majority, or the overriding of evolved behaviors like the Maximum Power Principle, or singing kumbaya, or sharing everything equally, or eating bugs.

Limits to growth are breaking our democracies. Citizens know their standard of living is falling, but do not understand why, so they vote for the politician that most credibly promises a better life, but leaders are powerless to improve living standards, which breeds politicians that are superb at lying, but not well suited to optimizing a complex problem. Then when the leader does not deliver, the citizen is pissed off, and next time votes for someone more extreme that blames the immigrants or the Chinese, and so on, which accelerates us in the wrong direction. The only way to break this path to despots is awareness.

With CACTUS awareness we will understand the comforts we enjoy are rare in the universe, are very fragile, and will soon be gone forever on this planet. This could lead to gratitude and care to not cause a premature collapse.

CACTUS awareness will create strong pressure between countries, and by citizens on leaders, to not break things.

If we understand modernity will soon be gone for everyone no matter what we do, there will be less need to dominate and win, and more need to enjoy and cooperate to extend the good times.

Humans are an innovative species. With CACTUS awareness there would be many people thinking about what could be done to buy more time. Maybe we should use this resource for this rather than that? Opposition to change from people who have to give something up might be muted if they understood the change will buy a few more good years.

Some ideas to improve the quality of life for the post collapse survivors will be difficult to decide and implement because many of these will conflict with the goal of delaying collapse as long as possible. On the other hand, if we collectively understand collapse is inevitable, it might be easier to say set aside some forest or wildlife habitat, or bury nuclear waste, knowing that your children or grandchildren might benefit.

Imagine the effect of CACTUS awareness on philanthropy. What might billionaires with children do with their wealth if they understood modernity will soon be gone? Perhaps they might buy up biodiverse rainforests to protect them.

Shifting from the current zero-sum game strategy to a positive-sum game strategy will be very difficult.

CACTUS is very unpleasant. Genetic denial, as explained by MORT, will be in full force resisting CACTUS awareness.

On the other hand, almost everything going on in the world today is also very unpleasant, and many people are losing their minds because nothing makes sense.

In a strange way, CACTUS may be less unpleasant than what we are currently asked to believe, because the CACTUS story at least agrees with what our eyes see, and provides reasons for gratitude when times are tough, so maybe there’s a chance for CACTUS awareness.

We evolved in small tribes that in times of scarcity had to fight other tribes to survive. There are no attacking aliens to unite us.

The CACTUS lens does point to a common threat that will kill almost everyone, but most people won’t believe it.

When times get tougher, as they surely will, leaders will have zero chance of adopting a positive-sum game strategy unless a majority of citizens see the world through the CACTUS lens.

Those of us that are CACTUS aware should start brainstorming how to spread CACTUS awareness.

Here’s one idea:

We could recruit the powerful institutions that were created by MORT: religions.

CACTUS awareness will be fantastic for the life after death businesses. All religions will boom with growing memberships, donations, and tithes.

Religions therefore could be self-interested and enthusiastic allies for spreading the CACTUS gospel.

Religions also have the perfect infrastructure and skills needed to spread an idea like CACTUS and its positive-sum game belief system.

A likely roadblock to our leaders embracing the CACTUS lens is the big money behind financial institutions that depend on good news for their pump the bubble business model.

I’m thinking that it shouldn’t be too hard to get them on board. The CACTUS lens doesn’t say everyone has to live like poor monks in a cave.

CACTUS tells us the end will be painful but mercifully quick, so those so inclined can party on like it’s 19991 in a glorious bubble until the last day…

1The highest net energy we ever enjoyed was in 1999 when about 4% of energy was needed to extract energy. Today it takes about 10-15% of energy to extract energy, and the ratio is continuing to rise.

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Renaee
February 23, 2026 8:03 pm

Is any one else seeing the four little bouncing columns in the top right hand corner, underneath the admin black bar? I think this means its ‘thinking’ and memory might be used up. When I click on the orange number to see new comments, it’s not taking me there, possibly due to a memory issue.

paqnation
Reply to  Renaee
February 23, 2026 8:28 pm

I stay away from that green bubble in the bottom left corner. It once took me to the RFK featured post for no damn reason.

But a new comment from Gaia just came in so I clicked the orange circle… and all it did was the four bouncing things in the top right corner for a minute until I got impatient and closed the page. So it’s not just you. But ya, I say stay away from that stupid green/orange bubble.

paqnation
February 23, 2026 7:11 pm

Last night before bed I wanted something calming and relaxing so I watched that proforestation video down thread because it was made by the New England Forests youtube channel that I trust. Ended up being a mistake cuz it triggered me and kept me up even later.😠

Great cinematography of nature for sure. That wasn’t the problem. The humans in it were the problem. I was expecting to see one of my favorites, Tom Wessels, so him not being involved already had me disappointed.

I must have heard the three or four experts use the terms ‘human manipulation’ and ‘human activity’ over 100 times. Wish these people would understand that it’s called HUMANS. Also, when I’m listening to tree fanatics, I expect to hear at least a hint of misanthropy. (To be fair, one of the experts George Wuerthner definitely had that vibe. And his breakdown of the bullshit with rehabilitating forests & controlled burns was good stuff)

But the actual triggering event happened towards the end when Susan Marino (who coined the word proforestation) said this:

We have to make sure that we set aside enough of these natural forests that are allowed to evolve and adapt, which is the only thing that we really know is sustainable. We don’t know if all these things humans are doing is sustainable. We just don’t have enough of a record… We’ve lost the plot in terms of what we need to do as an ethically & scientifically competent species.

EO Wilson got mentioned quite a few times. I have a feeling that EO Wilson is to the nature crowd what Daniel Quinn is to the noble savage crowd… A well intentioned, righteous dude who ended up confusing a ton of people because of his ridiculous fire blindness and love for his own species.

And I didn’t get the sense that these people understand that trees are oil. And as long as they keep growing, this ethically & scientifically competent species will keep chopping them down.

For some reason I was curious about when humans started cutting down trees. Couldn’t find much, but thought this was interesting from Reddit:

Recent archaeological finds, such as a wooden structure made of interlocked logs in Zambia, date back roughly 476,000 years. This predates Homo sapiens and suggests that ancestral species like Homo heidelbergensis were already felling and shaping timber.

As far as I’m aware, the oldest known wooden tool(s) are the Schöningen spears, a set of 10 wooden spears made roughly 330,000 years ago and found preserved in a German coal mine.

The spears are well made, showing sophisticated knowledge not only of how to shape wood, but also how to take advantage of the properties of a particular piece of wood or compensate for potential limitations (like the pith cavity in the center of most pieces of wood).

The spears are (mostly) double pointed, debarked, and are designed to distribute weight in a similar way to modern javelins (they are slightly point heavy). Their pointed tips were slightly offset from the pith cavity.

These were not pieces of wood that were picked up from the ground. They are made (with one exception) from the same type of wood, and almost certainly were cut down specifically for the intention of making spears. There were probably several types of tools used to shape them.

What these tools show us is that by 300,000 years ago in Europe (roughly contemporaneous with the earliest finds of our own species in Africa) hominins – most likely Neanderthals or Homo heidelbergensis – were making and using fairly sophisticated wooden tools. This would suggest that the knowledge of how to cut down and shape wooden implements pre-dates our species.

Also, given the sophistication of the spears, we can assume that this is a mature technology, which means that these spears are almost certainly not examples of the earliest use of wood that was cut with a particular purpose in mind. And given the time depth on the stone tools that could be used to cut wood, I think it safe to suggest that knowledge of cutting (or breaking down) trees for various uses is probably well over a million years.

ps. I need to give credit to Mr Zeus. He did some of the typing.

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Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 7:57 pm

I am pretty sure that this was one that Michael Dowd did an audio version of and I have listened to some of it. Thanks for the copy.

Renaee
Reply to  paqnation
February 23, 2026 7:59 pm

We watched one and half episodes of the Green Valley series you sent me – loved it, good before bed time viewing. After you watch something that triggers, you need some fall back viewing for the good vibes.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  paqnation
February 23, 2026 8:21 pm

Hey bro, thank you for that. So true. Every thing we see and touch is poisoned. It did all start with fire and trees were forever doomed.

I am totally complicit as an Active and totally Untrustworthy Member of the tree-genocide regime, ashamed as I am it did not stop me from encouraging more genocide just even this morning by inviting niko to cut down some trees so he can use their flesh to grow fungus, like I did and so proudly displayed. What was once living, I killed (or mauled, as pollarding and coppicing really are torture techniques used on trees to keep them growing for our purposes) so I can plant what I want instead of what naturally flourished. Every photo post I will make should be a testament to my remorse but yet I still continue to live so because as a species I can survive in no other way in the environment and time I was born into. Oh, the agony of being human and realising the source of our agony is ourselves!

The first photo I posted was of bamboo that whole cultures have looked at with beady eyes for its uses. The second photo was of mushrooms grown on trees we specifically grew on prior cleared land and then cut (aka plantation farming). Now here is the photo of a pollarded pioneer species tree (inga) that we also specifically planted (after clearing, euphemism for killing, the perfectly healthy native trees in that area) for its nitrogenous fixing abilities (so it will help the other trees we want to grow, you can see the lemon tree adjacent) and also wanting to continually harvest the regrowth limbs after the pollarding (live tree limb amputation) for mulch (putting the limbs in a grinder)–god, just trying to describe it sounds so mercenary and soulless but there it is. What may seem a textbook permaculture practice is just being a human doing what we do best, manipulating and destroying what is natural for our own purposes and gain.

I really don’t see the billionaires of this world coming together to protect the remaining forests, whether they know Cactus or not. I can’t even stop myself on these 4 acres from changing the natural course of things (utilising massive amounts of energy in doing so) so it fits into my survival concepts. One species, one individual (or a family) being destroyer of all in its domain. Surely the reckoning will have to come to save us from ourselves, and hopefully soon.

Well bro, I’ve joined you in a downer doom spiral so you won’t have to go it alone this time, but that’s what families are for!

Namaste, friends.

pollarded_inga
paqnation
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 23, 2026 9:47 pm

Thanks sis. Me and you sure are taking advantage of the picture option. You’re the crazy tree lady and I’m the crazy cat guy. LOL. Everyone should be using this feature. I may not know much, but I do know this: un-Denialists enjoy getting to peek into the life of other un-Denialists.

Lately I’ve been learning more about trees and how important the dead ones are. It’s like that Lyle Lewis quote the other day: 

Old-growth forests did not just support life while they stood. They supported life after they fell — and after they died standing. Logging doesn’t just remove living trees. It removes future snags. It removes decay trajectories. It collapses timelines.

And I’ve been thinking about some of the clueless f’ing doomers who gave me some shit when I posted my fire essay. If you can remember back then, I was a self-promoting machine. I must’ve left that link on 500 or so comments. Some positive feedback but once in a while I’d get something like, “Oh paqnation, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re just a city boy. I’ve been gathering wood for over 25 years on my off grid property and I haven’t made a dent in clearing out any trees. There’s more now than before I started.”

LOL. It was this section of the essay that agitated a few people. And it’s probably my proudest paragraph ever written. Because of how unsure I was and the embarrassment/fear I had for having the nerve to even say something like this. With no research involved. I was going strictly off gut instinct: 

Fire is a constant taking from the planet, and a constant exuding of pollution. It should be the beginning stage of Quinn’s “takers”. If you are cutting down live trees to burn, then you can add a thousand other negative effects. Let’s stick with deadwood only. That piece of wood is going to be feasted on by fungi, moss, and a million other life forms until it is completely gone or decomposes back into the soil. But you just took it away from them and made it disappear. In other words, you stole it. (if you had eaten it or made tools/shelter with it, that would be ok because its more in line with the rest of life “on the grid”). And you didn’t quite make it all disappear either. You created some pollution that is now in the atmosphere and will eventually have to be dealt with. It’s so radically new from the planet’s perspective. First time ever that a species is stealing (constantly) and polluting (constantly), all for their advantage and at the expense of everyone else.

Looking back on it now… I was William Macy and they were the Minnesota fellas from this clip.😂

Renaee
Reply to  paqnation
February 24, 2026 1:47 pm

I love this exchange between you and Gaia, and that you found this clip from that heart breaking film that illustrates your point so perfectly. And you are right, very few people can ‘go there’ as your essay does, and don’t want to see the truth of it, from that paragraph. It’s both tragic and a relief to see it clearly. When I watched this film with Andrew – he did not see it. He mainly thought it was a story about the main character, and did not feel the over arching narrative, the tragedy of the background story as I did. That’s the deep gut level denial, and that’s the heart ache of living among others who don’t see what I do.

This world is intricately stiched together boys, and each thread we pull we know not how it affects the design of things

paqnation
Reply to  Renaee
February 24, 2026 3:01 pm

Thanks Renaee. I’m impressed that you found this comment since it was no longer on the recent comments sidebar.

Ya, I loved Gaia’s breakdown of what an evil torturer she is. I was picturing her with a chainsaw and a Jason hockey mask running through the forest cutting down everything in her path.😂

I like this picture from George T’s essay today. Makes me want to go outside and beat the shit out of the first human I see. LOL

But George is nowhere near the finish line (like monk correctly pointed out the other day). I mean look how stupid this line is:

Humans are brutal occupiers on this planet. Unless we reframe our purpose here on Earth, we will be victims of our own invasions, extinctions, AI creations and genocides

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Renaee
Reply to  paqnation
February 24, 2026 3:08 pm

Oh gosh. Replying on my phone as had to get out of the house and walk with coco. Just read local news story re thugs bashing gays in Sydney. Made me cry ihate this world sometimes. So no, no bashing! Not logged in.i need a break from news and undeniali think. Mental health bad.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 7:17 pm

While out for a walk I had a good long chat and debrief with Chris and feel better now. Yes, Australia is just as corrupted as the U.S and other white empire countries, now with deep under current of misogyny and racism. for a while there it was easy to believe that this had improved, but it’s never been far from the surface, just takes stress and scarcity to bring it back.

And only just now do I see that black and white image that chris posted above of the giant tree felled. A picture really does tell a thousand or a million words, you don’t need more than that to know we are cactus.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 9:44 pm

I found the part about ecosystems failing to adapt to be quite sobering.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 4:44 am

This was one of the best by Nate. For a change he didn’t end with Hopium but with a certain amount of pessimistic realism. We are probably screwed if Trump/Israel go ahead with this war. We are indeed maladapted for large numbers of humans in “Civilization”, see Dr. Rees’s latest post:
https://reeswilliame.substack.com/p/civilization-and-the-human-maladaptation.
Good luck everyone.
AJ

Flippr
Flippr
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 5:21 am

Yup, he’s getting closer.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 1:04 pm

Yes, very good.

At the end I thought he was gonna make my day by saying we humans are the most wretched creatures to ever exist… he actually came close. LOL

Cesar
Cesar
February 23, 2026 3:57 pm

Hello everyone at Un-denial.

Although this is my first time commenting here, I’ve been following the site for around two years now.

Due to Rob frequently talking about the increase in cancer rates ever since the use of the mRNA “vaccines”, there’s something I feel compelled to share now. In December 2023, a close friend of mine from university was diagnosed with an aggressive brain cancer that seemed to appear completely out of nowhere. He was only 24 years old at the time. Then, just one month later, his mother was diagnosed with the exact same type of brain cancer. Unfortunately, despite the treatment, his mother passed away in april 2025 while my friend passed away just one month later, in may 2025.

I don’t even know exactly why I’m commenting this. I guess just to present another case of someone who had his life cut short due to the mRNA experiment. It’s rough not being able to discuss this in my daily life, considering how taboo it is.

Anyway, thanks to however took the time to read this, have a great rest of your day (or night).

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Cesar
February 23, 2026 4:39 pm

Hello and welcome Cesar, and I speak for all of us here. It’s lovely to have your company and know there’s another enlightened youngster in our midst. I am just so sorry to hear about your friend and his mother, what a great loss and shock that was for you, I hope you were supported through that time. Thank you for your compassion and thoughtfulness to be able to reach out and share your insight and experience with us. As you are well aware, this is not an isolated case, I think we all know of someone who died in unfathomed circumstances in the years following the mRNA roll-out. I personally can count 11 people in my circle of acquaintances (no one as close as your friend was to you) who died probably sooner than expected and of those there were 2 who were diagnosed with aggressive cancer with no other factors. It really is a horrifying and saddening to know that so many lives and families underwent so much suffering, and there has been no recourse. I am truly very sorry to know that your life has been touched in this way, too, and I respect your courage to seek the truth and try to live with its repercussions.

I hope that you will continue to comment here and know that you have like-minded companions who do understand and see a reality that is deliberated hidden, and hopefully we will be able to encourage and support one another through these strange and disheartening times. As you are a younger human being, I do feel so much for your challenges which have only touched us in the older generations much later in our life journey. I hope you will find some comfort somehow in knowing that you are seen and wished all the best.

Namaste, young friend.

paqnation
Reply to  Cesar
February 23, 2026 4:42 pm

Hello Cesar. Thanks for sharing. Sorry to hear about your friend and his mother.

Yes, it’s very rough not being able to discuss anything important with the people in our lives. I think that’s why some of us were reacting like big babies to Rob changing the format here. This is our lifeline. Without it I’d have to go back to interacting with Nate Hagens audience. Oh, the horror. I’ll quit the doomasphere before I go back to that crowd. LOL.

Feel free to comment anytime. Vent, bitch, or just tell us what’s going on in your doomer mind. (as long as you’re somewhat clued in to our predicament, which goes without saying if you’ve been lurking here for a couple years😉)

monk
monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 8:41 pm

How awful 🙁 it is so scary and sad what was done. I am angry too

Felix
Felix
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 9:40 pm

I think there’s a lot of guilt. It’s also easier for practitioners to deny wrongdoing than admit what happened. Besides, it’s not really nurse’s jobs to “do their own research”. Most medical professionals are highly skilled labor. It’d be like blaming a software engineer because the computer coding language they’re using is inefficient at running commands.

Felix
Felix
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 9:50 pm

Ya that’s frustrating. My family was very much onboard with the entire vaccine campaign, no questions asked. When I almost lost my job due to the mandates there wasn’t any sympathy or understanding. Luckily all of my close friends either understood where I was coming from or were on the same page as I was, so that helped. It’s been fascinating watching a few people “wake up” over the last few years. Two guys I know went from being onboard with the vaccines to full blown realization and anger at what happened. They’ve been pretty open about their journeys and it’s nice to see, I just wish the realizations had happened before they took it.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 4:49 am

Same here. Not one of my friends or relatives have changed their view AND no one wants to discuss any of it. What is most annoying is that a few of my wife’s relatives are pharmacists (3) or doctors (2) and they still push the orthodoxy. Unbelievable.
AJ

monk
monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 12:51 pm

I changed my views 3 times on the vaccine, I initially didn’t want it (because I didn’t think there was enough evidence), then I thought I should get it just in case (based on it reducing hospital visits and time in hospital), and now I regret getting it (seeing it did not have a statistical impact in the right direction). A bit too much flip-flopping on my part 🙁

monk
monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 1:53 pm

Rob I don’t think I told you this, I had a big fight with Eric Michaels on Facebook about wearing masks and other covid nonsense. He was arguing we should keep wearing masks forever. It was quite ridiculous, anyway he got super offended so I fucked right off. I am happy to wear a mask at the right time and for the right reason. But the idea you are committing a moral failure for not wearing a mask is so ludicrous only a super lefty Canadian or Portlander could possibly agree with you. Everyone else is is like um that’s crazy

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 5:15 pm

I listened to this right through, and just now, Nate Hagen’s latest talk is on Iran at the end as well, he is on the ball. Have I left my bucket year travel plans to late I wonder?? Time will tell.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 2:19 pm

He hasn’t worked out that we are all the bad guys. Tribes fighting tribes for resources. Some tribes have better weapons than others. That’s just how it is. Only idiots allow their rivals to arm up to their level before fighting them. War is war. Nothing honourable about any of it. In the end we are all a rotting corpse.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 7:57 pm

monkeys be bad, no other explanation needed. Sometimes it is hard to be a monkey knowing that monkey see and monkey do.

Renaee
Reply to  nikoB
February 23, 2026 2:51 pm

True. He hangs a color on it, and that’s understandable and we can all line up behind that, as we always go for the underdog and whitey has been the ultimate bully. I find myself getting swept away in his writing, it’s so righteous and evocative.

Last night we had to bury our own rotting corpse. Rigor mortis sets in very quick and then the ants were crawling all over our fury friend. A ringtale possum that is now food for the soil life, as we will all be soon enough.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 2:13 pm

That was a link in a Honest Sorcerer post two weeks ago.
A good video except for the end basically saying we will make biodiesel. No contemplation of the reality that it will all stop.

el mar
el mar
February 23, 2026 9:49 am

“How can you trust research from something that hallucinates?”

Saludos

el mar

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
February 23, 2026 4:28 am

Oh dear. Am I even the same species as everyone else who seems to understand this WordPress thing or have I materialised from another galaxy? From Fermi’s Paradox, I know that can’t be true but I do feel very much alien here! Well, I will continue to do the one trick I know how and will post another image!

This here is Shiitake mushrooms growing out of a log we inoculated with plug spawn, isn’t fungus fun! It took about 9 months to get the first flush of mushrooms and supposedly the logs will continue to bear for several years, maybe even up to 7 depending on the size of the log. These are eucalyptus species logs from trees we coppiced. More on coppicing and pollarding on a later post. There are definitely seasons when mushrooms appear, right now it is a bit too hot but in the winter months there should be regular flushes after rain. During one flush there were over 20 mushrooms on one log just under a metre long. Some have grown to quite a large size, about 20cm diameter! I’ve tried different kinds of mushrooms, including oysters and lions mane but so far, the shiitake are the most successful. They are very plump and beautifully textured, and delicious sauteed with ginger (and garlic for those who love it, I find it too strong and use leek instead) and a splash of tamari and balsamic vinegar. Since trialing a few shiitake logs and getting a good result, we have inoculated about 20 more logs so we hope to get enough mushrooms to dry as well as using fresh.

Namaste, friends. I hope I will eventually learn how to use this platform, in the meantime I will just sprinkle this site with random comments and images.

shiitakelogs
Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 4:19 pm

Ha ha Rob, you sound like a customer service phone menu, press one if you have trouble with collapsed threads…press five if it’s something else. What is really interesting is that on my screen (which I refresh periodically) an older uncollapsed thread from 15 Feb (and it’s very long, ending with the image that Chris posted of Garfield taking a chainsaw to a computer) always comes up first and these are highlighted yellow. Just now a new comment from Cesar appeared and that did place above the 15 Feb ones. (for some reason, it’s highlighted in yellow, too) All the other most recent posts (including this thread) are below the 15 Feb ones. So you can see it’s a bit confusing as I have to check above and below this anomalous chunk to see what’s current.

I am not minding the collapsed threads much anymore as I can just open them as needed which I do anyway as I can never tell if there’s a new comment added unless I keep a mental note of how many Replies there were previously. I think that’s a bit of an issue as before we could just scroll fast down and see any new replies. I think this is Chris’ main bugaboo and I’m with him there.

The newest to oldest would be fine if not for my distinct problem of the misplaced chunk from the past.

Not being able to tell who are the likers or dislikers doesn’t really bother me, I’m just happy to be able to contribute something that might make someone smile or add something to their day. As you know, I have never added myself as a liker to any comment here not because I don’t like or even love you all, far from it! but because I had WordPress trouble from the beginning even in the old configuration. In any case, everyone please just assume that Gaia likes everything here, all the time.

And now for the something else–what really gets me is how do I earn the gold star and Trusted Member badge that only Rob seems to sport (and flaunt)? I want to speak to management about this. Oh wait, I am speaking to management. Really, you are the best and take care of us all so well, thank you. It’s really great and the ease in which we can post photos and other tidbits is a game-changer (at least for me!) Please let us know how we can help you make this experience better and many apologies for any lost sleep over this teething (and tooth gnashing) period.

Namaste, friend.

paqnation
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 23, 2026 4:51 pm

LOL!!

Good catch. Rob was an Active Member yesterday. He’s been upgraded to Trusted Member. I want mine to say Untrusted Member.

And yes, the only issue I have left with this format is not being able to use the ctrl + F search to see all comments from today

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nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2026 2:44 am

I reset my computer daily so this is a big annoyance for me as I don’t keep cookies and settings.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 7:29 pm

Well, I suppose it’s easier to clean up a yellow mess than a brown mess.

Thank you so much for taking the time as always to give me such a thorough and thoughtful flow chart on how to rectify my techno woes. I do note the orderly numbering of new points, but I will never be able to change my own wayward style, sorry. And thank you, I think, for always wishing me Good Luck which shows your well-placed little faith in my abilities. Normally I keep the un-denial window permanently open on the top bar even when I shut down the computer for the night and just refresh periodically but today I actually closed the link and re-opened it and all the old yellow messes from the past are now disappeared probably back to their rightful place in the timeline. So I didn’t have to follow any of your suggestions at all, at least for now!

I guess I won’t ever even earn the lowliest of low provisional Member status if I don’t post through WordPress but when I tried to open an account several months ago I got into even more trouble so I will just be resigned to my peon status.

That gold star (it actually looks more like a supernova!) next to your name really does give you authority and extra class! You are now an elite and we want to join you! Haha! Surprising how easy it is to manipulate human emotion and behaviour, look how we all fell into line in primary school just to earn that gold star sticker or be in the top level reading group.

But then, people like us had their un-denial genes activated and now we’re societal subversives.

Thank you again Rob for all your efforts, and we really do trust you!

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 8:11 pm

Geez laweez, they are working for Big Dopamine Inc!

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 23, 2026 2:16 pm

I have to get round to doing that to here in sub tropic NSW.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  nikoB
February 23, 2026 3:58 pm

Hello niko, yes, shiitakes should grow very well there at least in the cooler months. You just need some freshly cut logs, aged about 4 weeks, eucalyptus species seem fine. I got my plug spawn from Aussie Mushroom supplies, and the type of Shiitake they recommended is the High Yield strain (we hope it will live up to the name!) The whole process is pretty easy but a bit time consuming, just drill and pound in the dowel with a mallet (might be a fun activity for youngsters) and they recommend you paint over the dowel with wax to seal it initially from drying out and anything that might want to eat it. Lots of info and videos as you know on the net. Since the whole thing takes almost a year to get the first crop, there’s no better time to begin than yesterday! Do you have any trees to prune or thin on your property? That’s the first step, getting your logs ready. A 200mm diameter log cut to about 1 mt length (that’s about the size easy to carry to a semi-shaded site) will host about 50-70 plugs. There are about 600 plugs in each bag (most economical) so yes, you can see it’s a bit of a tedious input but hopefully well worth it as the rest is literally set and forget. You might share the bag with a like-mind neighbour/friend who also wants to try out mushroom growing if that’s too much for you?

Hope you’re having the just the right amount of rain and sun for your liking where your homestead is.

Namaste, friend.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 23, 2026 8:00 pm

Thanks Gaia,
I have plenty of timber so might try to do it this winter when things are a bit slower here. I can’t keep up with the grass growing right now.

monk
monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 12:38 pm

I was commenting as a guest but calling myself “Monk” before I was logged in to Jet Pack. Even though I was logged in to WordPress the entire time

Renaee
February 22, 2026 9:34 pm

Test comment to see if a new post from me gets the gold start Active Member, as Rob’s account does. I notice now it says above the comment field, You are logged in as Renaee, this is the first time i see this too. So i think overall Rob, you don’t need to do anything on the website, we just need to advise the Users who do login, to clear their cached data for their browser. And maybe only you get the Active Member star as site admin?

paqnation
Reply to  Renaee
February 22, 2026 11:58 pm

Black bar at top of page is showing. Ahh, some much needed normalcy. (hopefully it says member next to my name)

edit: like button is showing my name. Were almost back to normal

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monk
monk
February 22, 2026 8:02 pm

Test comment Mon

monk
monk
Reply to  monk
February 22, 2026 8:08 pm

OK I managed to login and get my notifications back. I had to clear all the cache and then was able to get Jet Pack connected to my WordPress account. Woohoo

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 8:56 pm

I will have questions too – but I hope you have solved it monk, as this is what I have been trying to do, restore my jetpack connection.
But also note, Rob is still the only one with the gold star and Active Member next to his name.

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Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 9:29 pm

I did what monk suggested and cleared all my Chrome cached data going back 7 days, and now I have got the black bar back along the top with my little notification bell and “Howdy, Renaee” AND now when I gave thumbs up to monk’s comment, I can see that it says Renaee not Guest. So yes WooHoo is warranted!

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 10:10 pm

Oh Dam – that’s a lot more messy than I hoped. (also disregard that email i just sent you)

paqnation
February 22, 2026 5:53 pm

Lyle Lewis’s new article is a good companion piece for that proforestation video Rob posted below.

Life After Death: The Hidden Ecosystems Growing on Old Snags

Old-growth forests did not just support life while they stood. They supported life after they fell — and after they died standing.

Logging doesn’t just remove living trees. It removes future snags. It removes decay trajectories. It collapses timelines.

And here’s a cool video created by the Truth Wizard I found over at Panopticon’s site:

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Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 4:21 pm

It is a good idea. But two problems:

1) They are too busy torturing children and eating babies to care about the forests 🙁

2) Excessive wealth does seem to give much better odds to your decedents. Silly example, Norman conquerors decedents are still the rulers in England? Of course, if they studied Roman collapse they might not think that.

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 4:49 pm

Hey you have given me an idea. Rapid collapse CACTUS style is historically normal. I could write an essay on it. We have historical proof of CACTUS and that is for societies that were way less complex than ours.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 2:47 pm

I always like these future predictions. B just can’t accept the fast collapse. LOL. Obviously, I disagree with humans still being around 10k years from now. And I hated his opening line:

Before we delve in, let me start by stating that what follows is not what I wish to see. Quite to the contrary: I really wish we could… blah blah blah

This seems to be the obligatory disclaimer you have to give to the clueless fucking morons. Otherwise, god forbid they might turn on you and think you’re cheering on the extinction of god’s gift to the universe the most wretched creature to ever exist.

Mr Zeus just assured me that humans will be gone by 2100.

zeus-is-not-amused
Stellarwind72
Reply to  paqnation
February 23, 2026 7:57 am

John Michael Greer argued against fast collapse in his book The Long Descent. He called it the Y2K fallacy.

The fallacy that bedeviled the Y2K survivalists was the belief that governments, business and citizens, faced with an imminent threat and and presented with a clear, constructive response to it, would sit on their hands until catastrophe overwhelmed them. The same odd belief can be found throughout current discussions about peak oil.

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Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 25, 2026 4:19 am

Is this supposed to be a criticism of him? Not arguing with you, I just dont understand the context of this statement. As in, do you agree with him, or are you citing him as ignorant?

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paqnation
Reply to  Capscacin
February 25, 2026 1:08 pm

I think Stellar’s computer broke, so I’ll try to answer for him.

I’m pretty sure he’s a big fan of Greer’s. Stellar is slowly embracing fast collapse theory so he was probably just reminding us that not everyone is a believer.

Stellarwind72
February 22, 2026 8:51 am

THE AGE OF ABUNDANCE IS ENDING
https://margiprideaux.substack.com/p/the-age-of-abundance-is-ending

Three major Defence Agencies are quietly admitting what most still refuse to face: climate breakdown is coming for our food, and the cracks are already spreading. While the wealthy cling to logistics and illusion, the real defence strategy is soil and local growers who refuse to let their communities starve

The bleak truth—and every real defence analyst knows this, even if the classified sections of their reports are locked away from the public—is that climate change is no longer a distant hazard. It is already shredding food systems from the Sahel to the Mekong, and it will destroy them outright within a generation unless we acknowledge the violence of that collapse. A whole bunch of people are going to get very hungry, very soon.

Once the world has two billion more mouths to feed, the arithmetic turns from dire to fatal. Two billion more mouths. Empty plates under a blistering sun. Hunger will walk the land. By 2050 (a mere 24 years from now), if emissions do not plunge (they won’t) and socio-economic inequities persist (they will), we’ll have entered a world where multiple structural failures in food systems have already occurred, where price spirals and crop collapses are chronic, where states struggle to keep order as populations scramble for calories.

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Stellarwind72
February 22, 2026 8:22 am

Why Iran war would spiral out of control.
By the way, around 80% of Americans oppose going to war with Iran.

Flippr
Flippr
February 22, 2026 4:59 am

Quark’s latest essay: https://tinyurl.com/5a8wt67v

Flippr
Flippr
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 5:26 am

Thanks for all your work Rob!

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 1:05 am

I hover over Gaia’s post for example, and apart from you, we all seem to be ‘guests’ ?

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 1:45 am

No i liked that one too, and I am logged in but it did not show me.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 3:37 pm

In case this helps: Rob, you’re the only person that has a gold star that says “Active Member”. So when I hover over the thumbs up number, your name shows (if you’ve liked it). The rest of us are being treated as “Guests”.

I’m assuming I’m logged in correctly because when I go to post a comment my name and email are already filled in. But my fire pic is not there. It’s just a solid color. But after I click ‘post comment’, the fire pic shows up automatically next to my name.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 4:26 pm

Yes it was already showing me as logged in. Per your instructions to monk, I logged out and then logged back in.

I am definitely logged into wordpress.com

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 3:53 pm

Nice! The changes look good but I am having trouble logging in

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 4:38 pm

Tried all that. I keep getting this error: There was an error logging you in via WordPress.com, please try again or try logging in with your username and password.

Is there some missing link between Jet Pack and your website? All my WordPress stuff is working fine, but it is not connecting to Un-Denial

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Monk
February 22, 2026 4:42 pm

This is what i see

Logging-in-2
Monk
Monk
Reply to  Monk
February 22, 2026 4:43 pm

This is the first logging in screen

Logging-in-1
paqnation
Reply to  Monk
February 22, 2026 4:52 pm

I’m pretty sure none of us are able to login through un-denial.

Click the ‘Lost your password?’ link at the bottom. When you put in your email I bethca it will give you the same message I was getting:

Error: There is no account with that username or email address

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 6:45 pm

I am logged into WordPress. I have always used my WordPress account to comment on Un-Denial and get my notifications. Eg when I logged into WordPress for my website stuff, I would also see my Un-Denial notifications. I used to see my WordPress details at the top of Un-Denial and could click the bell there for notifications on comments and likes.

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Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 9:22 pm

Just letting you know I have seen this and i hope your head has not exploded yet! I think the fact that monk has got her black admin bar along the top restored with the little notification bell is a huge win.( If that is exactly what she meant.)

Also point 7 re wordpress.com hosted site versus Self Hosted site on WordPress.org seems critical.

Hate to say it – but maybe this plugin is not meant to be on a WP.com site at all?? Or do you have a business plan?

wpDiscuz does not run normally there unless on Business plan with plugin support.

Otherwise point 2 seems to be closest to pursue first.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 1:00 am

Yes I just got it!

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 1:03 am

I have an issue though, that each time i post I also get this email below. I have 9 copies of same email in my inbox. I activated it already, but they keep coming.

Hi,
You just subscribed for new comments on our website. This means you will receive an email when new comments are posted according to subscription option you’ve chosen.
To activate, click confirm below. If you believe this is an error, ignore this message and we’ll never bother you again.
The Cactus Lens: A Clearer View
Confirm Your Subscription
Cancel Subscription

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Renaee
February 22, 2026 2:01 am

I get that too

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 1:54 am

Far out man! And it actually works! This feature is gonna save me loads of time.

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 3:54 pm

We need to somehow connect her and Tom Murphy

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 23, 2026 2:12 am

Sabine always amuses: she made a video lamenting the frustrating obstacles to Innovation in the EU, wanting it to be more like the US.

Well, they certainly still got those Warp Speed innovative tech injections into arms pretty damn quick in the EU, Sabine. Did she have a few herself? One supposes so.

And she has said that we shouldn’t be complacent about the potential Alien threat. Note to Sabine: it’s humans who are the greatest threat in the near-term, by a long way.

Stellarwind72
February 21, 2026 8:48 am

The US is using hunger as a weapon to try to collapse Cuba.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 21, 2026 3:59 pm

https://fxtwitter.com/dropsitenews/status/2025289464663146497

CUBA | U.S. Coast Guard and military forces have ramped up interceptions of civilian oil tankers in international waters as Cuba faces its first effective U.S. blockade since 1962, according to The New York Times.

Washington is cutting off the island’s fuel lifeline by tracking, boarding, redirecting, and turning back commercial ships bound for Cuba. The Times details specific cases

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 22, 2026 2:26 am

Another case of the bully beating up on the weak guy. Trump/Rubio are just acting as they always have.
AJ

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 22, 2026 9:46 am

In insane speak, Marco Rubio asks Europe to help the United States recolonize the Global South.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
February 21, 2026 6:13 am

Okay, I’ve got to tackle this and overcome my fear of the machine. Stellar said I can upload images so here goes. Oh my goodness, that was easy! This is a photo of some bamboo clumps on our property, they are about 12 years old. When I planted them they were just one little stick. Now each stick is up to 20cm in diameter and 25 meters tall. It is currently shoot season being the wet season and this incredible member of the grass family will send up shoots which become culms (the term for bamboo “cane”) to full height in about 90 days. I will never tire of this amazing feat. The biomass in a mature clump of bamboo is astounding. Talk about carbon capturing. If just being a beautiful living thing isn’t enough reason to be on the planet (which for humans it usually isn’t), the culms are useful for building work and the shoots are edible. I’ve waxed lyrical about bamboo before and I know I’m not alone here being a hopeless bamboo fanatic. So it is fitting that I chose bamboo to be the first image I’m posting.

Now Gaia will be able to show and tell in addition to the usual verbal incontinence.

Hope everyone is going well.

Namaste, friends.

bamboo
Renaee
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 21, 2026 12:35 pm

Yay! We can look forward to more photos from paradise. We have a kindergarden behind our property and they recently cut back a huge amount of bamboo (more common smaller type, not like yours) and I have been collecting it and putting into my chook pen for biomass to make the deep litter, It’s great stuff. And living in houses made of bamboo is wonderful.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Renaee
February 21, 2026 9:42 pm

Hello Renaee, Thank you for all your encouragement for my technological dysfunctionality. I think we would all here like to see the wonderful photos of how you’ve transformed your space into a garden haven in just the short time you’ve been at your place. The chooks are especially delightful, do they have names? Our kitchen reno is nearly complete, and there’s a caravan here for you for your visit, whenever you’re ready to come up to the jungle! Hope you and your family are enjoying these last weeks of summer.

Renaee
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 22, 2026 12:42 am

Thanks Gaia! I have actually booked my flight to NZ for 21 April. After I see how I go with this trip away (7 days) and assess my finances after I get back, I hope it will still be possible. Great you have got your reno nearly done.

I have four chooks, and two of them I got in 2021 – my ‘lockdown’ chooks, and their names are Plucka and Muffin. Plucka as she lost all her feathers as soon as she arrived (which she does about the same time each year) and muffin as she is quite fat and more docile. The other two chooks are small isa browns, and they are both so similar that I can barely tell them apart, I am not as attached to these more recent arrivals, and they never got names. Though oddly enough I can pick the brown ones up where as the two white ones will not be held no matter what, makes them quite difficult to move.

For the past few days we have also had a small ring tale possum on the lawn, who seems on it’s last legs. It’s front claws are damaged and we have put it in a box with water and apple, and there it will stay I imagine until it passes away. Either that or we nurse it back to health and have yet another animal to add to the bunch. I don’t know!

We have had a huge soak of rain this arvo, which has been so nice, and I could almost imagine we are in the tropics here now too, it is very muggy and close. I put three more photos in that album that i shared with you before, I think it should work from here as well, as a public link, with this test will see. And pic of the possum in there too.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8uMys2vAQRCEt5vMA

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 12:58 am

it worked – good! thanks Rob, it is very enjoyable to create and it has become quite a haven for wildlife too.

paqnation
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 21, 2026 3:12 pm

Just testing to see if I can post personal pics. Looks like only one at a time.
Me and Mr Zeus:

me-and-zeus
paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2026 6:23 pm

I doubt we need it. I’m a fan of being as frugal as possible.

And just an FYI for everyone, when you attach an image it has to be under 2mb. Pics from my phone were all bigger than that. So I used my webcam on cpu and that pic was only 535kb.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2026 7:46 pm

Thanks. That Irfan app was surprisingly easy to install and use.

LOL, you guys are gonna get sick of Mr Zeus… too bad.

zeus-walking
Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  paqnation
February 21, 2026 9:50 pm

Oooh, he really looks like he owns the place and knows it! That’s Cattitude for you!

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  paqnation
February 21, 2026 9:35 pm

Hi bro! Nice to see you! What a handsome cat! (okay, that could mean you, too!) And he looks rather spoilt with all his toys on the floor. I think I am getting used to this new and improved format, now I feel ashamed of my hissy fit the other day. Thank you Rob for thinking of making things better for us and dragging us kicking and screaming (me at least) into the new scheme of things. We will follow you wherever you lead, fearless captain!

paqnation
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 22, 2026 1:40 am

Hi Sis. Yes, he’s a spoiled Empire Kitty. That lazy boy chair in the corner is the best seat in the house. He stole it from me a month after he moved in. He won’t let me sit in it. He hisses if I even look at it.

Glad your feeling better about the new format. But don’t be sorry for the hissy fit. Rob took our addiction and flipped it upside down. Even if this is better in the long term, I’m still gonna bitch all the way. LOL

But I have to admit there is a heck of a lot of cool new options. And it will get even better when we have the all-important vote for if the comments should show or be collapsed like they are now. I’ll be using voter intimidation tactics at the ballot polls that day. (vote yes for show all comments… or else😠)  

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 22, 2026 3:56 pm

Cool picture. I hate bamboo with a passion, so I’m too scared to plant it. I reckon the success of Chinese culture owes a lot to bamboo, it is such an amazing plant with so many uses (multiple species with different uses)

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Monk
February 22, 2026 7:28 pm

Hello Monk, how are you in NZed? I imagine it’s a busy time at Bombadil! Haha, I totally understand your fear of this mother of all grasses! Their growth habit can be so ferocious (I mean, up to 1 mt a day, that’s insane!) and then there’s all the maintenance if you want tidy looking clumps. We only have clumping bamboo as the running type can truly be a nightmare to control. Our largest bamboos are planted in areas where they can just do their natural thing and we can just harvest the shoots as needed to keep the clumps in check.

One day someone who passes by this land may be able to use the large culms for shelter building, or not. I am still trying to get my head around not thinking of every thing I can look at as a means to a human-purposed end but that is proving very difficult, especially for a lifeform like bamboo which has so perfectly co-evolved with humans. Most cultivated bamboo are clones and have been able to spread because of human interference. The natural lifecycle of bamboo is fascinating, with the spontaneous mass flowering of every clone of the species and then death. Kinda like a supernova ending, hmmm, maybe there is something to learn from this!

Yes, the bamboo is so revered in the Asian culture. And just like the koala eats eucalypts, the panda only eats bamboo, a brilliant example of convergent evolution! Nice work that they’re both so adorable to our eyes, but despite that, we’re having no qualms about destroying their respective habitats for our purposes.

If you actually like the look of bamboo and just dislike the possibility of it being a menace, you can always pick a suitable smaller clumping species and plant it in a large pot. Its graceful swaying and susurration in the breeze is really very calming and poetic.

Namaste, friend.

nikoB
nikoB
February 21, 2026 3:25 am

Please don’t set up the comments where you have to open the threads to see further comments.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  nikoB
February 21, 2026 3:48 am

Amen to that.
AJ

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2026 12:24 pm

I very much like the collapsable comments. I think a vote is a good idea.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Renaee
February 21, 2026 1:13 pm

I imagine I will get used to it. So happy to go along.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2026 2:25 pm

it would be good if there was an expand all comment threads button. Otherwise finding latest comments is much more work and the find function only works in expanded format.

paqnation
February 21, 2026 2:57 am

This was an enjoyable hour-long podcast with Tom Murphy. All three people were good but pay attention to how much closer to reality Murphy is than the others. It really stands out. 

And then remember that undenial and megacancer are so close to reality that Tom won’t even dare come knocking.😂

19 – Modern Myths: Flat Earth, Space Colonization, and the Stories We Tell to Escape Reality • Human Nature Odyssey

Stellarwind72
February 20, 2026 7:45 pm

I just discovered that you can attach images.
This is an image of the temperature anomaly from 2 days ago as a test.

temp_anom_2026_02_18
paqnation
February 20, 2026 2:00 pm

Been watching some of those old black & white buddy comedy/action films like 48 HRS and Lethal Weapon. Other favorites:

Nothing to Lose, The Last Boy Scout, Loaded Weapon 1 (one of the funnier spoof movies), Money Talks, See No Evil Hear No Evil (Pryor & Wilder have a few), Running Scared, White Men Can’t Jump.

This might be the funniest moment of the entire genre:

Tucker: Hey man, me and Guy just down here checkin’ out some fly rides, and mackin’ some hos and chillin’. 

Sheen: Imagine that. Just like a G-dog on a fly tip, flossin’ with the posse, cuttin’ in the crib! WTF DOES THAT MEAN?

Stellarwind72
February 20, 2026 1:02 pm

https://www.farminguk.com/News/scientists-warn-flowering-stage-heat-stress-could-devastate-wheat-production_68025.html

Heatwaves hitting wheat crops during flowering could slash global harvests far more severely than drought in future, scientists have warned.

New research suggests that short periods of extreme heat and drought at this critical stage of development could become one of the biggest threats to wheat production in the decades ahead.

Flowering is the stage when wheat plants set grain, making it crucial in determining final yield and overall harvest size.

The study from Rothamsted Research used advanced climate projections alongside the Sirius wheat model to assess how future weather extremes may affect wheat yields worldwide.

paqnation
February 20, 2026 12:54 pm

Ok Rob, you got me. Nice April Fools trick, now push the button to make it all go back to normal.

LOL, I hate this new look. Maybe I’ll get used to it eventually. Feels like the scattered mess of comments over at Gail Tverberg’s blog.

I can’t figure out how to search for comments (I used to just do control f and put in today’s date). Hell, I can’t even figure out how to login.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  paqnation
February 20, 2026 12:56 pm

I don’t like the new layout either. I do like the ability to edit comments though.

paqnation
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 20, 2026 1:02 pm

Ya edit function is cool. And I like the thumbs down option (I’m gonna be the leader in that category lol)

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 5:34 pm

I am fine with it

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  nikoB
February 20, 2026 5:35 pm

though the date function for search is useful to see new comments as Chris mentions

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 7:13 pm

in the web browser you just put in the date like january 12 in the ctrl + F function (find) and it would highlight each part of the page with that text. Easy to find that day’s comments in all threads.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 8:39 pm

Ok, I’ll limit my bitching to just two things for now.

1. comments used to stand out here. It was very easy to make a pretty looking comment. Not anymore. This might as well be MS-DOS. 

2. comments not displaying the date. Niko already touched on it. This won’t affect new threads too much because they show up at the bottom and everyone already knows to look there. But it absolutely will affect replies to older threads. Most of us will not see them unless we scan the entire page. Nobody’s got time for that. (the only solution I can think of is to still use the search function (ctrl + f) but instead of the date, I’ll have to do three searches; “seconds ago”, “minutes ago”, and “hours ago”. Oh, the horror 😊

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 9:16 pm

Troubleshooting from AI….

The site (“un-Denial”) has lost or broken its connection to WordPress.com via Jetpack.
That connection is what enables:

The notification bellLikesComment notificationsWordPress.com login (Single Sign-On)Your account recognition on that siteWithout that connection, WordPress.com literally cannot “see” your participation on the site anymore — which is why you get:

“We couldn’t find your account…”

What Happened (most probable)After the site update, one of these occurred:

Jetpack was disconnected from WordPress.comThe site was migrated or reinstalledDomain or site ID changedJetpack was removed or reconfiguredWordPress.com connection keys became invalidAny of those breaks the identity bridge.
From your perspective:
You still have an account
You still log in locally
WordPress.com services (bell, likes) stop working

The Exact Fix (for the site owner)They need to do:

WordPress Dashboard → JetpackClick Connect to WordPress.comAuthorize connectionEnsure Likes / Notifications module enabled

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paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 9:23 pm

Looks like you fixed the date displaying on comments. Thanks

Not sure what you are asking from me about the link to the view I use… but don’t worry about it for now. You’ve got enough shit going on. I’ll bitch about things another time.😊

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 9:32 pm

This is the page I’m on right now looking at comments:

https://un-denial.com/2025/11/30/the-cactus-lens-a-clearer-view/

Monk
Monk
Reply to  paqnation
February 22, 2026 4:07 pm

Hahaha if you thumbs down anything of mine i will cry

paqnation
Reply to  Monk
February 22, 2026 4:44 pm

Giving me that info was a big mistake.😂😂😂

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  paqnation
February 21, 2026 12:03 am

Hello, hello, any one out there? This is Gaia and I’m totally lost in space and up poo creek without a paddle. I can’t figure out this new format either, so I’m with bro. I just happened to latch onto this thread (and hanging by a thread to do so) and just hope that someone finds me to put me out of my misery. Not that I will have the least clue how to find your comment. I really miss the ability to just follow through a thread and see all the comments just by scrolling. Also, the text on my screen is now a lighter shade of grey which although I know is in vogue, makes it more difficult to read. I am sure I would have a lot more complaints truth be told, but I don’t even know what it is I don’t know or don’t like but I don’t like it! I am writing this before I view the 14 replies (I would have seen them in the prior incarnation and maybe some of my questions would be answered but now I am trying to post first in case I lose my place) If I happen to disappear for a while, it might just be because I can’t figure out how to comment in the right time and place. Never mind, I am still a faithful member of the Cactus club, but now my lurking will be more haphazard, kinda like a Christmas gift grab bag. You never know what you’re going to get but guaranteed that each prize (post) will be worth something because of the excellent quality here. I better copy this pathetic paragraph (see Rob, you got me all flustered and writing incoherent run-on sentences again with no formatting, hah! that’s my revenge!) before I somehow lose it after trying to post. Actually I really hope no one finds this because it really is pretty whingy and pitiful and not typical Gaia like at all. Hope everyone is going well. The Cactus Compendium project is awesome, and judging from my sad state of affairs here you can be sure that I will be absolutely useless in any meaningful contribution in its making, so sorry. But I will send reinforcement positive energy and strength!

Namaste, friends.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2026 12:15 am

Oh, here’s something I can hang my hat onto, thank you Rob for this lifeline. I can see your reply here but what are you doing staying up so late? Maybe it won’t be so bad after I get used to it, after all. I may have been hyperreacting along with the hyperventilating.

Good night then and sweet dreams. Coffee will be there for you in the morning. By the way, as a former medico, I am slightly concerned about the amount of caffeine intake you admit to but it looks like your liver is supercharged and can process the stuff better than most. Lucky for you!

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 21, 2026 12:11 am

Help! Where are the 14 replies to Chris’ demand to revert back to the old format? I only see my reply! At least that’s the only one that’s directly related to filing our complaints for this new system, I thought there were 14 others like me! And now I am replying to my reply! I hope someone is getting some yuks out of this. Wait, I just saw something from Rob pop up but now it’s gone and I don’t know where to find it. Poor old Gaia. It’s definitely a sign of impending collapse.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2026 2:39 am

The black text is a huge improvement.👍

The collapsed comments is nice on the eyes for sure. Easy to zoom through everything… but there’s a major problem: search function shows 6 comments for February 20. So there are like 40 replies buried. For every new reply, we’ll have to open every thread to find it. Empire Babies like me don’t do well with all this manual labor.

And the newest comments on top format… didn’t like it at first, but it’s quickly growing on me.

Renaee
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 21, 2026 1:44 am

I am not sure if you will see this Gaia – but hang in there and keep the faith that the system will be better eventually! Its changing lots and once we get used to it, I think it’s going to be better. I do hope we can bring back notifications for likes – we all need our little dopamine hits!!

paqnation
Reply to  Gaia gardener
February 21, 2026 2:50 am

LOL!!! Hang in there sis. But don’t fall for Renaee’s hopium of the system getting better. 😊

I feel like Al when Peg did this to his bathroom:

(rob, how do I get the link to show the picture)

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Stellarwind72
February 20, 2026 12:36 pm

Will Iran close the strait of Hormuz if the US attacks? 20-25% percent of the maritime oil trade flows through that strait. What would be the systemic implications of such a sudden reduction in oil flow? I fear this itself might cause CACTUS.

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HideAway
HideAway
February 20, 2026 1:51 am

This is for Nony, not sure where it will appear, in relation to China surviving a world wide decline in energy production…from ChatGPT, putting together all the pieces..
Implications for China (or any modern state)

  • Even with coal, hydro, nuclear, and industrial depth:
  • Mining and refining low-grade resources fails once complexity falls below a threshold.
  • Energy-intensive agriculture cannot be maintained without diesel and fertilizer.
  • Urban systems with >80% population dependent on industrial throughput cannot be sustained without continuous energy surplus.
  • Result: rapid contraction of complexity, not just gradual decline.
  • China could slow the process locally with centralization and rationing, but cannot escape the fundamental physics of net-energy decline combined with collapsing complexity.

Civilization collapse is non-linear, driven by cascading failures in complexity-maintained subsystems.
Net energy falls faster than gross energy due to high-EROEI resource depletion first.
Low-grade fossil fuels and ores cannot sustain modern complexity — they require the complexity that is itself unraveling.
The system cannot decline smoothly — once feedback loops trigger, contraction accelerates.
Complexity underpins our ability to extract low-grade energy/resources.
Collapse of complexity → mining/energy fails → net energy plunges → accelerates complexity loss.
Failures cascade asynchronously, creating nonlinear contraction.
High urbanization + global interdependence amplifies the effect.
Smoothing assumptions (linear decline, “controlled descent”) are physically invalid in this regime.

In other words you are making assumptions about social cohesion in China that just wont apply.
You are making assumptions about food getting to cities that just wont apply.
You are making assumptions about coal mining in China, already suffering from EROEI declines that just wont apply.

You are making assumptions about the central authoritarian structure that will definitely not apply. (who is going to tell the the central bosses bad news and make them angry at you??). The central party bosses are likely to make entirely the wrong decisions based on bad advice and numbers given to them to act upon!!

We are discussing a non linear set of cascades and all the points you have mentioned will probably work in isolation, assuming everything else remains normal, and that’s the huge mistake economists always make; however with cascading failure, with information vacuums and poor decision making as a result, the non linear collapse just happens faster.

I wish it was different, from a human perspective and a life lived in greater luxury than kings of just 200 years ago, but thermodynamics rule and energy dissipative systems, that civilization clearly is, obey it’s laws.

Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  HideAway
February 20, 2026 2:33 am

Yeah, I hear you. Excerpt I never assumed the world outside china was normal, this is all in its borders and with minimal outside interference. Hell, an outside collaode woukd be better in this scenario since china can just stroll in and take surrounding land without resistance.
Anyway, my reply:
ChatGPT claim 1: “Mining and refining low-grade resources fails once complexity falls below a threshold”
Counter: China is already operating at high domestic low-grade ratios and the base-layer mining/refining equipment is highly localised.
• Domestic crude iron ore: 983.71 Mt in 2025 (low-grade 20–35% Fe). After beneficiation → 270–280 Mt usable concentrate.
• Steel output: 960.81 Mt crude (down 4.4% y/y) while still blending and producing the HSLA grades (Q345/Q460 etc.) needed for mining machines and fertilizer plant structural parts.
• Mining machines (longwall shearers, roof supports, conveyors): 85–95% domestic supply chain for volume production (ZMJ, Sany, Tiandi).
• Fertilizer equipment (urea reactors, granulators, phosphate lines): 85–95% domestic (Shunxin, LANE, Right Machinery).
The “threshold” ChatGPT assumes is crossed when high-complexity imports stop. In reality, the volume equipment for the base layer does not require the bleeding-edge complexity that frays first. The hit is higher energy/materials per tonne (+15–25% for steel from 100% low-grade ore), but the machines keep being made and the coal/fertilizer loops keep running.
ChatGPT claim 2: “Energy-intensive agriculture cannot be maintained without diesel and fertilizer”
Counter: China’s staple agriculture is already heavily buffered and prioritised.
• Nitrogen fertilizer (the big one for grain): 70–76% from domestic coal gasification. New capacity +5.1 Mt in 2025.
• Grain output: Record 714.88 Mt in 2025 (rice/wheat self-sufficiency >95–100%).
• Diesel for tractors: Domestic refining ~90–95% self-sufficient; strategic diesel stocks + rationing to ag priority (proven in 2022 and 2020 crises).
• Reserves: ~70% of world corn stocks, warehouse capacity >730 Mt.
Agriculture does not collapse when imports freeze — it scales down (less meat, less luxury crops) while staples are protected.
ChatGPT claim 3: “Urban systems with >80% population dependent on industrial throughput cannot be sustained without continuous energy surplus”
Counter: Urban China is already seeing demand destruction and the state is actively prioritising essentials.
• Population decline: –3.39 million in 2025 (fertility ~1.0–1.1), accelerating. Fewer people = lower total throughput needed.
• Steel (proxy for industrial throughput): Already down 4.4% because construction collapsed.
• Energy: Coal record 4.83 Bt in 2025, rail electrified for bulk movement, strategic crude stocks 1.206 billion barrels.
The state rations energy, food, diesel, and steel to the base layer while discretionary urban consumption (private cars, luxury, new builds) shrinks. Urban systems contract — they do not suddenly fail.
ChatGPT claim 4: “China could slow the process locally… but cannot escape the fundamental physics”
Counter: China is slowing the process locally with exactly the tools the physics allows: localisation, prioritisation, demand destruction, and population decline.
• 2025 evidence: Record coal, record grain, steel declining due to construction collapse, energy self-sufficiency rising to 84.6% in 2026, strategic reserves at war-footing levels.
• The physics of net-energy decline and complexity unwind is real — but the system is not uniform. The high-complexity cap frays fast; the base layer (coal → power/fertilizer → grain → steel for essentials) is hardened, co-located, and prioritised. This asymmetry turns what could be a rapid cascade into a long, uneven grind.
Your AI agrees with me funny enough “China coukd slow the process locally”, thats all im arguing for
Youre also somehow assuming there’s no RURALisation? Unlike basically everywhere in the West a significant portion of city dwellers in Asia in general are born and raised in farms thag barely use fertiliser, and they coukd go back. Hell, the government has programmes encouraging just that. Or what about the other parts of Asia rhe less developed ones? They feel it way bloody less.

I hope I wasn’t disrespectful in my earlier replies, I was rereading them and they kinda gave that impression, lol. Anyway, I wanted to ask, Whats YOUR prediction then? How long do we have left? 5 years? 10? Just something I can frame in my head woukd be great for understanding your point of view

Flippr
Flippr
Reply to  Capscacin
February 20, 2026 8:23 am

Quark’s blog today – “Why are we going to collapse? An integrated explanation”
https://tinyurl.com/32md7j2w

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Capscacin
February 20, 2026 9:18 am

I also used to believe that a controlled degrowth was possible, but after looking at all the points Hideaway raised, I realized that the chance that all of this complexity fails gracefully is close to zero.

Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 20, 2026 5:31 pm

I never said gracefully and I never said controlled. Decay isnt controlled, nor is entropy. Neither is fast.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 10:06 pm

Nothing to do with that file I sent you last night I hope?! Or maybe you have done an upgrade to be able to install a new plugin? Goodluck. I don’t seem to be able to login and hence i have to post my name below as if I am anon.

Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 11:52 pm

Im curious, whats the scope? Are you writing an actual full length book to be published or “just” an academic article length thing?

Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 12:12 am

Cool! Also, what do you think about the discussion going on above us? I find it interesting, at least.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 1:29 am

One of the suggestions in the doc I sent was an SQL query via the phpMyadmin interface. And then an export from there. That way you would not need to install a plugin. It could be a csv file straight into excel or just a pdf. I could assist with this?

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 2:39 am

I think that sounds perfect, nothing else to add. No need for replies to him or you.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 4:33 pm

WOW – well done. Will check it out now. So far I have permission just to a Google word Doc, not a folder/directory. But will look out for an invite to folder.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 4:41 pm

Yep – got them now. thanks.

Arno
Arno
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 5:58 am

Rob,

Since you now have the ability to install plugins, phpmyadmin is available as a wordpress plugin:

https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-phpmyadmin-extension/

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 12:15 am

I like the new system, with the contrast of the green, and i notice (with this test) that we can also now attach an image locally from our computer, not just via a URL on the internet. Nice! Being able to edit a comment is handy too.

My issue is I have lost the little top right notification bell, while I am in the website, so I can’t see if there is a like/reply to my comment. However if I login to my WordPress account (where I look at other wordpress sites as well) then I can see the little bell and my gravatar in the top right. So I am not sure if this is particular to me, or if everyone else has lot the top right notify bell as well?

The loss of youtube embeds on the older comments, may not be such a bad thing, as it will make the comments and the page in general load a heck of a lot faster, but the loss of the likes on comments is a pity, as shows the interaction. But now I am just going to check if a new youtube embeds properly. I listened to most of this one below today:

sisyphus
Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 4:23 pm

Hi Rob, I have not been able to get the WordPress admin tool bar back along the top of the site. I asked AI and did things it recommended, but it still has not come back. here is the link to the AI output. Any ideas?
https://chatgpt.com/share/6998f918-98b0-800f-8e26-6a3ddc607d13
thanks and I hope the tech stuff is not too onerous.

Also, if any other logged in subscribers are reading this, and you have also lost the bell notification in the top right hand corner (useful for navigating the site), can you give a thumbs up to this comment to indicate that?

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 9:23 pm

Yes I noticed just now there was an orange ‘1’ to show one notification in the green left hand bottom corner, so that is working. Maybe it’s just a matter of getting used to this new notifcation method. I have already been to my WordPress profile settings (wordpress.com/notifications) and notifications are on, and when I click the little bell in top right, i see the updates from un-denial in my profile area, it’s just that they dont lay across the top of undenial website like before. I have a feeling that the green bubble at the bottom has replaced it. So possibly disregard my AI output re Jetpack?

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 5:05 am

That is a relief. It will take some time for me to get used to the new format though.

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 4:11 pm

Rob I’m loving this new comment system. The ability to order comments newest or oldest first is great. I think the threads will make it easier to keep interesting conversations going too. Thank you for the upgrade 🙂

paqnation
February 19, 2026 7:42 pm

Did un-Denial finally get taken over by the feds?
I don’t think it’s a WordPress issue.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  paqnation
February 19, 2026 8:13 pm

Something does seem a bit off.

Monk
Monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 22, 2026 4:16 pm

How do these BS podcasts make so much money?! I know Nate has some sort of foundation supporting him – I looked up his accounts a few years ago – but still it amazes me. That fraud Daniel Smugtenberger makes even more money. Who’d have thought saving the world could be so lucrative. Sincerely from someone who is bitter she still has a real job 🙁

Renaee
February 19, 2026 4:22 pm

This sounds good, will have a listen.

nikoB
nikoB
February 19, 2026 1:05 pm

It definitely appears that AI will have a massive affect on the music industry jobs of all sorts especially arrangers.

Jobs are disappearing at a fast rate of knots.

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nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 11:01 pm

To me the music industry has been pumping out sewerage for decades now and people just eat it up. Now the faucet is turned on full and it is becoming the Potomac River. Hopefully people will just go back to watching musician’s play live. I think the days of making it big are probably over.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 2:13 am

yes they are skilled but basically most can’t write a song that I care to listen to again.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2026 12:08 pm

I love very old music, especially music from the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  nikoB
February 19, 2026 3:09 pm

That assumes that we will have the energy and material resources to sustain AI.

On top of that many AI companies are losing money and their projected profits are completely unrealistic, and you have the circular financing, which frankly, should have been investigated by the SEC by now. (I suspect that the SEC is a captured agency).

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 19, 2026 10:56 pm

It feels like a lot of balls in the air and the juggler is going to drop them all.

paqnation
February 19, 2026 12:00 pm

I’m so sick of seeing those stupid self-control phrases; parable of the tribes, multipolar trap, tragedy of the commons, etc. The negative connotation is totally incorrect. It used to make me conjure up images of psychotic Genghis Khan / Freddy Krueger type villains.

How about a new universal definition for all these phrases. And since I’m in a good mood, I’ll even help out the noble savage crowd by speaking their language:

It just takes one to do the perfectly natural and easily predictable act of conforming to their biological programming which involves a never-ending thirst for profit & growth. And it’s not just sapiens with this greedy “sickness of the mind”. The entire blob is infected. Life is wetiko. Wetiko is life.

The only self-control mechanism that full consciousness provided for humans was the art of pretending everything is fine.

I, I live among the creatures of the night
I haven’t got the will to try and fight
Against a new tomorrow, so I guess I’ll just believe it
That tomorrow never comes

A safe night, I’m living in the forest of a dream
I know the night is not as it would seem
I must believe in something, so I’ll make myself believe it
This night will never go

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Renaee
Reply to  paqnation
February 21, 2026 1:54 am

No one replied to this, to say what an ace song, so i am doing so. And also, the new ability to FOLD UP the comment threads is great, keeps it much tidier. I also like the little border around the top of the thread. And the thin grey line too. Plus each comment has it’s own comment link shown on the right hand side. Once there is notification for a thumbs up (so we know we are not just talking to ourselves into the wilderness here) I will be happy 😂 Oh – and you can still use Ctl Command Space Bar (on a Mac at least) to bring up all those juicy emojis 🥸

Monk
Monk
Reply to  paqnation
February 22, 2026 4:17 pm

I have a similar bug-bear, when people complain about capitalism and say the whole world will be fixed if we just give up capitalism. LOL OK

Capscacin
Capscacin
February 19, 2026 2:30 am


hideaway:Hideaway,


You’re right — China is not a self-sustained island. The heavy-machinery and mining-equipment sector (the “industrial mother machines”) does rely on imported iron ore (1.26 Bt in 2025, record), copper concentrates (~30 Mt), some gas/LNG, lithium/nickel for electric haul trucks, and other metals. Food imports run ~$140–150B (mostly soy/oils for animal feed), potash fertilizer imports ~10–14 Mt (part of total ~14 Mt fertilizer imports), and plastics raw materials ~28 Mt. The whole system is interconnected. A full global freeze would hurt. I’m not denying any of that.


But the base layer that actually keeps the lights on, tractors moving, fertilizer flowing, and steel coming is already far more localised, buffered, and prioritised than the “everything collapses together” picture. Here are the exact scenarios you raised, with 2025–early 2026 real-world numbers. Heavy-machinery / mining-equipment — imported metals?


Yes, but the core volume equipment that keeps the essentials running is not dependent on the fragile high-end imports the way iPhones or cruise-liner bearings are.



Iron ore / steel: Domestic crude ore production 983.71 Mt in 2025 (low-grade, ~30–40% Fe average). After beneficiation → ~270–280 Mt usable concentrate. Port stockpiles 140–157 Mt (multiple months buffer). Chinese-controlled Simandou (Guinea) started commercial shipments in 2026. Steel output prioritised for essential machinery, rail, construction (960.8 Mt crude steel in 2025, down 4.4% y/y).


Copper concentrates: Mostly for electrical systems. China already substitutes aluminium in power grids and many industrial applications (routine practice). Basic coal-mining gear (longwall shearers, hydraulic supports, conveyors) is overwhelmingly steel-heavy.


Lithium / nickel: Mostly for new battery-electric mining trucks (China has the world’s largest fleets). Core coal/steel equipment stays diesel or coal-powered — strategic diesel gets priority allocation (as seen in 2022 stress periods). Coal-to-liquids pilots are scaling precisely for this.


Gas/LNG/oil for moving things: The macro coal/fertilizer/steel loop uses domestic heavy-haul rail and barges (zero international bunker fuel).


Your exact urban/farm collapse scenario ($140B food imports stop + 14M tonnes fertiliser + no oil for transport + tractors no fuel + no workers + no raw materials)



Food imports ($140B): Mostly soybeans for pork feed and premium items. Staples (rice, wheat, corn) hit record 714.9 million tonnes in 2025 (up 8.4 Mt, official NBS data). Self-sufficiency for rice/wheat >95–100%. China holds ~70% of world corn reserves + over half of global wheat/rice reserves. Grain purchases totalled 415 Mt in 2025 (above 400 Mt for third straight year). Warehouse capacity >730 Mt. $140B loss hurts meat, but calorie staples for cities do not vanish.


Fertiliser imports (14M tonnes): Almost entirely potash (K). Nitrogen fertiliser (the biggest volume for crops — urea/ammonia) is 70–76% from domestic coal gasification. New urea capacity +5.1 Mt in 2025 (total ~71 Mt capacity vs ~50 Mt ag demand). In a crunch the state tightens export bans (already done repeatedly in 2025) and rations potash to key grain belts first.


Oil not available to transport fertiliser/food + tractors no fuel: Bulk movement is rail/barge on domestic coal-powered systems. Last-mile diesel for trucks/tractors is refined domestically and prioritised for strategic use (exactly what happened in 2022 energy crunch and 2020 lockdowns — farms kept moving while discretionary stopped).


No workers + no raw materials: The state directs labour and raw materials to essential clusters (again, proven in past crises). The “whole-nation system” exists for this.


Nonlinear cascades & “you can’t plan for it”


You’re right — nonlinear means you can’t predict every failure. But the bloc doesn’t try to backup everything. It hardens only the critical base-layer loops (coal → power/chemicals → fertiliser → food/steel) with targeted reserves, co-location, domestic equipment, and priority access. Real examples from 2025:



Coal output forced higher despite safety campaigns (still ~4.83 Bt).


Fertiliser exports restricted to keep domestic supply.


Grain reserve budget raised 6.1% to $18.12 billion.


The base layer really is more localised


The coal → nitrogen fertiliser → grain → steel loop is the macro proof:



Coal mined domestically (~4.83 Bt in 2025).


Gasified in co-located plants (domestic equipment).


Urea to farms (domestic rail/truck priority).


Grain harvested and moved to cities (reserves + domestic transport).


Steel made for the machines that keep the whole thing running.


Raw materials, machines, transport, expertise, and end-use are overwhelmingly internal for this backbone. The 6-continent JIT stuff is the high layer that frays first. The base layer is deliberately hardened.


The interconnections and feedbacks are real and dangerous. But the documented 2025 performance (record coal, record grain, rising energy self-sufficiency to 84.6% in 2026) shows the base layer erodes gradually under priority protection — not the rapid shared collapse with discretionary and high-complexity chains.Is it too hard for you to realise some nations haven’t left the 70 years ago thing behind?

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Capscacin
February 19, 2026 5:25 am

Where are China getting all the oil and gas to move everything around when international markets freeze up and oil transport by tankers decline due to countries becoming insular and letters of credit become useless??

How do you mine and move 4.5B tonnes of coal without diesel or LNG for the diesel trains and diesel/LNG trucks??

Don’t they require copper, or iron ore, or lithium or tin or lead or zinc or nickel for anything? So their markets just carry on normally with millions from discretionary sectors out of work and starving? How does the food get to cities again from the farms without diesel for their tractors??

I must have missed all those bits..

What happens when the Chinese oil rigs can’t get the parts/sensors drill string components from European and US manufacturers. Basically the world oil supply crashes when these things become unavailable. The Chinese just like everyone else uses Honeywell, Emerson, TE Connectivity, Baker Hughes and Halliburton. They are not as isolated as you want to think.

The base layer really is more localised

Yet it’s clearly not, when you look at details. No-one wants to look at details, just the hand wave over the top, where it looks doable.

Raw materials, machines, transport, expertise, and end-use are overwhelmingly internal for this backbone.

Yet you admit all the imports required, and make no mistake that Simandou has to be transported hundreds of km by rail from site to port in Guinea, using huge quantities of diesel, all before going on a ship for thousands of km burning a lot pf bunker fuel to get to China, where the ports are nowhere near the coal deposits. You assume all the rest of the world is working normally, which is not the case at all. Everywhere is suffering the energy, material, complexity collapse at the same time, this type of international transport over vast distances is simply one of the first aspects to collapse.

Why is copper used for so many applications now, instead of much cheaper Aluminium?? Because it’s ductile while Aluminium is brittle. Aluminium cannot substitute for copper in most applications copper is currently used for, and it’s a simple misunderstanding of these metals to assume a large or any substitution.

Aluminium is good for overhead high voltage lines as it’s lighter than copper, and can easily dissipate heat losses to the atmosphere. But anywhere that has possible movement, no. AC currents have vibrations, which is why when Aluminium was being tried for use in houses instead of copper back in the 1970’s, it started house fires and was quickly and quietly stopped from being used for this purpose.

“Is it too hard for you to realise some nations haven’t left the 70 years ago thing behind?

Yes because that’s not the reality of today’s world, in China nor anywhere else.. Go to the centre, well away from urban areas, of the poorest country in Africa, with the least participation of the modern world, and look at how mobile phones have become a widespread necessity for locals run off a solar panel or 2 to charge them, with fertilizer being bought by the kg, and some motors for grain grinding or whatever based on a litre or 2 of fuel sold in plastic containers brought in by people on bicycles. Their world falls apart without the inputs from the rest of the world as the population has grown so much beyond the carrying capacity without the minor amounts of fertilizer they do use.

As I said previously, I was where you are at years ago, but it doesn’t work having bits of a civilization, it’s the whole or none at all. All energy dissipative systems fail at the end and the largest ones fail the most catastrophically because they have the most complexity that unwinds rapidly..

Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  Hideaway
February 19, 2026 5:57 am


don’t BS me with Simandou, thats just the addition. Domestically its 984 million tonnes. IN HOUSE. With localised supply chains made with Iron anything else to add?


China itself has domestic oil production, and it borders Russia. In your weird mad max scenario, those 2 countries ON THEIR OWN have a manufacturing base (China) With already built machines to build more machines, and can source more (russia), with all the oil and coal etc that would be needed. China itself has insane coal reserves, don’t forget. For diesel- there’s a whole pipeline for that, you don’t need tankers. Hell, China makes damn near all of its own diesel! So there’s your bloody trucks and trains sorted. Not even that, actually, Rail (main mover): Heavy-haul lines (Datong-Qinhuangdao, Shuohuang) are mostly electrified (IEA Nov 2025: 70%+ non-urban rail electric).


China’s literally manufacturing those advanced european parts as we speak. Not only that, theyre the offshore/unconvential ones, not the way easier to make conventional rigs which China has in-house supply chains for thoseTo end off, is there even a chance i change your mind? If all i achieve here is banging my head into a brick wall I don’t see a reason to continue

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Capscacin
February 19, 2026 7:02 am

I don’t have Hideaway’s and your knowledge in detail, but I have many years of experience as a business economist in industrial companies. Even if the Chinese were self-sufficient, they would lack the markets of the rest of the world, which is not self-sufficient, to produce the quantities they need for their factories. China would implode deflationarily without external markets.

Furthermore, even in China, diminishing marginal utility reigns due to dwindling net energy and entropy.

Saludos

el mar

Capscacin
Capscacin
Reply to  el mar
February 19, 2026 7:11 am


fair enough, but I want to note that my scenario is different from hideaways here, and that’s why this problem is mitigated somewhat. In the slow collapse the markets still do exist but slowly wind down due to entropy along with Chinas energy base ans productive capacity (in tandem, I hope). It’s not like everything collapses BUT China.


separately, too: Since 2020 (and reinforced in the 15th Five-Year Plan discussions), Beijing has prioritised “dual circulation” — strengthening the domestic market while keeping selective external engagement. 2026 policy priorities (Central Economic Work Conference, Dec 2025) list “adhere to domestic demand as the driving force and build a strong domestic market” as the top task. This is not rhetoric; it includes consumption subsidies, equipment renewal programmes, service-sector push, and state-directed reallocation of capacity from export-oriented to domestic-priority uses.


demand for the essentials remains strong, and china is smart enough to cut their losses and cut off non essential sectors if need be.


China already runs with overcapacity and deflationary tendencies (PPI negative for years, capacity utilisation ~74–75% in 2025). The system absorbs it via:


•  State subsidies and directed lending to strategic sectors.


•  Price controls and anti-involution measures on essentials.


• Stockpiling and rationing.


It does not implode because the base-layer loops (coal → fertilizer → food → steel) are sustained at lower volume for domestic needs, not for global export scale.


The business-economist view assumes factories must keep running at pre-contraction volumes or collapse. In practice, China has shown it can run essential capacity at reduced but stable throughput while letting non-essential parts shrink. That is the mechanism that turns what could be a deflationary spiral into the slower, uneven grind.


on your net energy point: i agree, thats why there’s a collapse at all (although renewables do soften the fall somewhat with Chinas relentless buildout)

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Capscacin
February 19, 2026 3:03 pm

Domestically its 984 million tonnes. IN HOUSE. With localised supply chains made with Iron anything else to add?

984M tonnes of what though?? It’s low grade 20-30% iron content, all heavily contaminated with silica, alumina, and phosphorus, which doesn’t make the high end steels necessary for the specialist parts you state China can make in another hand wave gesture..

China imports 62%-67% iron ore from Australia and Brazil again supply chains likely to break down, to either mix with local iron ore or use by itself for high end quality steels.

The devil is always in the details that you keep glossing over. It’s a total system of civilization, not a whole range of separate parts.

So how do China make high end sensors from low quality high impurity iron ore??

The whole needs to operate in terms of scale and markets, not just cut everything back and expect workers, that are also part of the cut backs, to all turn up to work for only 1-2 days a week, to operate machinery in factories less efficiently with more heating up and cooling down cycles and nothing going wrong for these machines, designed for 24/7 continuous operation.

I’ve already often conceded that everything can look OK for a nice gently degrowth, until the people look into the details to find it just isn’t so…

Your simple China example of they can supply their own iron ore, runs directly into these problems of quality required, all while the transport of coal is becoming much more complex, and they are having depth and lower EROEI problems of their coal supply, to just add another dimension. You hand wave over that, just like all the real issues..

China also runs a capitalist economy, they require ability to trade internationally that makes their internal monetary system actually work. When people no longer trust money in a system, there is disorder and chaos.

There is also another aspect of China often overlooked, the demographics, where their supposedly sensible 1 child policy, will come back to bite them in terms of internal demand for goods and services, plus the abundance of workers they have previously had. If you ignore all the extras, all the interactions that makes the whole, whole, then it all looks doable by royal decree from Xi, but that is not how the world actually works, which most people miss.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  Hideaway
February 19, 2026 3:47 pm

”984M tonnes of what though?? It’s low grade 20-30% iron content, all heavily contaminated with silica, alumina, and phosphorus, which doesn’t make the high end steels necessary for the specialist parts you state China can make in another hand wave gesture..

China imports 62%-67% iron ore from Australia and Brazil again supply chains likely to break down, to either mix with local iron ore or use by itself for high end quality steels.”

it doesn’t need to, though (assuming it can accept a hit in quality)

The bulk of coal-mining equipment uses standard structural steel and high-strength low-alloy (HSLA) grades (e.g., Q345, Q460, 16Mn, 27SiMn types). These are for frames, beams, cylinders, drums, chains, and supports. They tolerate higher impurity levels than premium auto or electronics steel.

•  Blending works for this: Chinese mills already blend domestic beneficiated concentrate (after removing much of the silica/alumina/phosphorus) with imported high-grade fines to hit the exact chemistry needed. In 2025 they did this at scale while producing 960.8 Mt crude steel (down 4.4% y/y). The same blending supports the ZMJ, Sany, and Tiandi factories that dominate domestic coal equipment.

•  China’s mills already process the low-grade domestic concentrate daily and blend it with imported high-grade ore. In a total import cut-off they would simply run 100% domestic concentrate, accept slightly higher slag and slightly lower furnace efficiency, and still produce the required HSLA grades.

•  High-end “specialist” steel is only needed for the minority of “intelligent face” systems with advanced automation. The bulk standard fleet (which moves most of the coal) runs on the simpler grades that domestic ore can support.

The tungsten carbide cutting picks (the only truly high-performance part) are made from domestically mined tungsten — China has 80%+ of world supply.

”The whole needs to operate in terms of scale and markets, not just cut everything back and expect workers, that are also part of the cut backs, to all turn up to work for only 1-2 days a week, to operate machinery in factories less efficiently with more heating up and cooling down cycles and nothing going wrong for these machines, designed for 24/7 continuous operation”

except Chinas already dealing with this???

In practice, China does not run the entire system at half speed across the board. The state separates layers:

•  Strategic base-layer lines (coal equipment factories, fertilizer plants, essential rail, power) are kept at high utilisation with directed credit, subsidies, and priority raw materials.

•  Discretionary/high-complexity lines (luxury goods, non-essential export manufacturing, new construction) are allowed to shrink or shut down first.

literally happened during Covid

Your simple China example of they can supply their own iron ore, runs directly into these problems of quality required, all while the transport of coal is becoming much more complex, and they are having depth and lower EROEI problems of their coal supply, to just add another dimension. You hand wave over that, just like all the real issues.

when the hell did I hand wave? I literally said this was mitigated by the fact that MOST OF THE FREIGHT IS ELECTRIFIED. What do you not get there? China also regularly ignores safety regulations to up output so…

China runs a state-directed capitalist system for strategic sectors. When international trade freezes and letters of credit collapse:

•  The state can (and does) keep essential internal loops running with directed credit, rationing, and domestic currency settlement.

•  Money trust for the base layer is maintained by policy (food/power/coal priority, reserves). Discretionary sectors lose trust and shrink — that’s the grind.

There is also another aspect of China often overlooked, the demographics, where their supposedly sensible 1 child policy, will come back to bite them in terms of internal demand for goods and services, plus the abundance of workers they have previously had. If you ignore all the extras, all the interactions that makes the whole, whole, then it all looks doable by royal decree from Xi, but that is not how the world actually works, which most people miss.

abundance of workers?? Weren’t you just yapping about “So their markets just carry on normally with millions from discretionary sectors out of work and starving”? Sounds like a self solving problem really.

also, if the collapse is as fast as you think it’ll be, greying of the population won’t exactly have time to be a problem, will it?

and so I ask again. Do I even have a chance to change your mind here, given that you’ve asked me the same few questions over and over, and didn’t care to read my answers and engage with the sources? If not, I see no reason to continue the argument

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Anonymous
February 20, 2026 3:48 am

 “Money trust for the base layer is maintained by policy (food/power/coal priority, reserves). Discretionary sectors lose trust and shrink — that’s the grind.”

That’s real magic!
Money that’s always based on credit can only work if the future is better (growth) than the present.
That’s over when net energy drops.
Debt can only help temporarily.
Here we are now!
It’s all just a matter of time!

Saludos

el mar

Flippr
Flippr
February 18, 2026 11:40 pm

Rob, did/does MORT apply to Neanderthals?

I’m way out of my league here but this article made me wonder. Seems like an interesting book.

https://tinyurl.com/32evw9ve

Flippr
Flippr
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 5:18 am

Fascinating, thanks Rob.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2026 10:58 pm

Hideaway, I get the frustration with ceteris-paribus models and the “nice slow gentle decline” trap — mainstream research often does miss the interactions. But the counter isn’t to ignore the interactions; it’s to look at how the strongest part of the real system (the China-led bloc) is already managing exactly those interactions at macro scale, under the 15th Five-Year Plan and the 2025–2026 machinery-industry stabilisation directives.

1. The “machines that make the basic machines” layer

You ask: what about the capital-goods equipment that builds the smelters, fertilizer plants, mining gear, power-line extruders, etc.?

That layer is already overwhelmingly domestic at the macro level inside China. The heavy-machinery and mining-equipment sector (the “industrial mother machines”) is explicitly targeted for stable growth and further localisation. China’s mining-equipment market alone is USD 33.8 bn in 2025 and growing at 5%+ CAGR to 2030, with coal mining taking 55% share and domestic firms (Zhengzhou Coal Mining Machinery Group, Sany Heavy Equipment, Tiandi Science & Technology, etc.) dominating the volume segment that keeps the essentials running.

2. Falling ore grades / energy intensity of mining — the study you linked

The 2024 Energy journal paper you posted actually concludes the opposite of runaway collapse. After Monte-Carlo simulations on exactly the diminishing-returns dynamic:

“The effects of mineral depletion on the net energy returns of renewable energy technologies will be marginal… even for very high increases in the energy intensities of mining, the share of net energy returns decreases by less than 3 percentage points by 2060.”

Technological offsets (better metallurgy, lower material intensity, co-location) more than handle it. Same dynamic applies to steel, copper for power lines, phosphate, etc. — gradual ratchet, not exponential blow-up.

3. Supply chains — “name one that is independent” (macro level)

Here is a fully localised, domestic, bunker-fuel-independent supply chain for a genuinely essential resource inside China:

China’s domestic coal → power / chemicals / fertilizer loop

  • Resource: Thermal and coking coal (the single biggest energy and industrial feedstock in the country).
  • Mining: Almost entirely domestic — 4.83 billion tonnes produced in 2025 (record high), >95% self-sufficiency (imports only 4–5% opportunistic southern spot cargoes). Major basins: Shanxi, Inner Mongolia, Shaanxi — all within China.
  • Transport: Dedicated heavy-haul rail lines (Datong-Qinhuangdao, Shuohuang, etc.) and internal barge/road — zero reliance on international bunker fuel.
  • End use:
    – Direct to coal-fired power plants (still ~60% of electricity).
    – Coal-to-chemicals: gasification plants co-located next to mines → syngas → ammonia → urea (nitrogen fertilizer). China produces ~70% of its nitrogen fertilizer from domestic coal.
    – Coking coal → steel (core of all industrial machines).
  • Machines that make the machines: Coal-mining equipment (longwall shearers, hydraulic supports, conveyors, continuous miners) is manufactured domestically at scale by Chinese firms that dominate the local market. The entire loop — from pit to power/fertilizer plant — runs on Chinese-made capital goods, Chinese rail, Chinese labour, and Chinese policy direction.

This is not a niche or high-tech chain. It is the macro backbone that keeps tractors moving, steel flowing, power on, and food growing. When discretionary demand drops, the state simply redirects credit, subsidies, and orders to keep this essential loop at the required throughput. No global JIT, no bunker-fuel vulnerability, no single Italian sensor factory on holiday.

(Phosphate rock → fertilizer is another clean domestic example — mining in Yunnan/Guizhou/Sichuan, <2% import dependence, exports deliberately restricted to secure domestic food supply — but coal is the bigger, more central one.)

4. “We cannot separate essentials from discretionary” — the volume / specialist-workforce argument

At macro level, resilient blocs already do separate them. When discretionary spending craters, the state does not let the entire furnace or assembly line run at 50% and become inefficient. It:

  • Consolidates production into the most efficient remaining plants (China has done this for decades in steel, cement, chemicals).
  • Subsidises/mandates full operation of the strategic slice (the coal-power-fertilizer-steel core) while non-strategic lines shrink or close.
  • Reallocates labour via the “whole-nation system”.

The assumption that you cannot reduce volume without everything becoming catastrophically inefficient assumes a pure market with no strategic override. That assumption does not hold in the bloc that actually runs the largest industrial base on Earth.

5. The personal anecdote / John Deere / thousands-of-suppliers cascade

A single obscure sensor shutting down one line for 2 months 30 years ago is real, but it does not scale to system-wide collapse when the state treats the essential cluster as non-negotiable. In a financial downturn the government does not subsidise only the final assembler and hope , it protects the entire strategic supply cluster (raw materials, energy, key component makers) with directed credit, stockpiles, and orders. Non-essential niches shrink; the macro essential loops keep running.

6. Nonlinear cascades in an energy-dissipative structure

Nonlinear does not equal unplannable when the planner controls the strategic levers. Cascades hit hardest in the open, import-dependent, market-only parts of the world. (Like Australia or Europe) Inside the bloc they are damped into slower, uneven erosion. Asia is literally the worlds factory after all

Bottom line
Your description of the tightly coupled dissipative structure is correct physics. But the system has already bifurcated into a high-complexity fragile cap and a widespread, redundant, state-protected base. The base layer (the one that keeps the lights on, the tractors moving, the fertilizer flowing, the steel coming) is far more localised, buffered, and prioritised than the cascade model assumes. Cactus occurs in PLACES(like Europe with very little localised manufacturing, or America with dependence on oil that is unconventional.

side note: how old are you? You go through stories from decades before like nothing lol

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Anonymous
February 19, 2026 12:08 am

The heavy-machinery and mining-equipment sector (the “industrial mother machines”) is explicitly targeted for stable growth and further localisation

Nony, all made from imported iron ore, imported copper concentrates, imported gas and LNG, imported oil to move it all around. Imported lithium, imported Nickel, imported tin, lead, zinc, silver, aluminium, $140B of food, 28.5m tonnes of plastics raw materials, etc, etc.

Asia is literally the worlds factory after all” All based upon imported materials and energy flows to get it there..

China is not a self sustained island, their economy collapses with everyone else upon frozen supply chains. Their businesses freeze up, just like everywhere else. What happens when that $US140B of food imports do not get to Chinese cities. What happens in those cities if the 14M tonnes of fertilizer they import doesn’t get to farms, and the oil is not available to transport the remaining to farms, and the tractors on those farms have no fuel or means of getting the food back to cities? What happens in those factories making all the parts, when they don’t get workers turning up, don’t get the raw materials, et, etc. The supply chain is long, totally interconnected, and mostly not understood, especially the feed back loops that start to disintegrate upon less energy available for the entire system.

“Nonlinear does not equal unplannable”. Actually that is exactly what it means!!

Nonlinear means you can’t predict where the failures will occur and what they will affect, nor the feedback loops of other aspects of civilization that get affected. The only way to “plan” for this is to have back ups for everything, which is impossible as that takes a whole lot more energy and materials, than our current efficient system has.

Our system of civilization is as efficient as it is, precisely because we’ve got rid of so much redundancy, within the system, by having JIT timelines for everything and relying on only one or 2 major suppliers for so many seemingly separate aspects, instead of each country having it’s own full industries, as they did 70 years ago, all based on lower quality of finished product made from simpler materials with rougher industrial processes.

The base layer (the one that keeps the lights on, the tractors moving, the fertilizer flowing, the steel coming) is far more localised, buffered, and prioritised than the cascade model assumes.”

No it isn’t, and thinking that, is one of the biggest mistakes people make about the future. All the factories that make everything for those industries is also the same 6 continent supply chain of many different raw materials, parts, expertise, JIT consumables, that some might be made locally, but the raw ingredients come from everywhere.

Not sure about what my age has to do with anything as just a few years ago as in 6-8 years ago, I was working on how the world could be saved by going full renewable, with similar thoughts of islands of self sustaining modernity, that you have now. The physical numbers just wouldn’t work on renewables at all, for mines and consistent high power loads required by heavy industry to remain efficient, no matter what I worked on, or how I massaged the numbers.

For years now we have been told that renewables are the cheapest form of electricity, even with battery back-up, yet the high electricity industrial users, like aluminium smelters, not one anywhere in the world has opted to go off grid based on their own solar, wind and batteries. This makes no economic sense at all unless the narrative about cheap renewables is totally wrong, which it is.

I worked out my own method of defining EROEI that made perfect sense to me, plus described the world we live in with high EROEI for fossil fuels, now falling rapidly. This methodology, shocked me with how low nuclear really is as well, yet fully explained the world and growth rates of the 1950’s and 1960’s, plus the rise in debt to offset the falling EROEI we see in every form of energy today. renewables and nuclear cannot save anything about modernity, and the very low ore grades of today require the full complexity of the modern world to extract.

The modern offshore oil rigs with directional drilling and all the matching computer driven programs and interpretation of 3D seismic to know where and what to drill, do require the full range of modern TMSC chips to keep operating, the latest best sensors for the drill rig strings to exactly locate where they are every minute. They require the full range of GPS satellites to exist, just like farmers using latest tractors with self driving based on GPS links to maximise field production with precise rows etc.

Any backwards stem in the complexity of the system, becomes less efficient, which means more energy and materials to do the same as before, all in a world of falling energy availability, just means faster degrowth. Faster and faster degrowth is the very definition of collapse. Slowly at first then seemingly all at once…

As prof Albert Bartlett so correctly put “The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.” This exponential function works on the downslope, a lot more than the upslope of civilization. On the downslope we don’t have the buffers of more low grade resources to use with better more efficient technologies like we did on the way up. We lose the intense complexity of growth and the energy to do more inefficiently. We don’t slow down activities of mining low grade ores, we lose the ability to mine them at all. So the downslope is faster and accelerates as feedback loops of shortages kick in exponentially quicker..

Here is what A.I. as in the latest ChatGPT states when understanding the full situation of thermodynamics of civilization and not using “category error” replacements of money for energy and materials..

“It’s not the slope of decline that matters — it’s crossing the threshold of net energy required to reproduce industrial civilization. Once crossed, the system self-accelerates toward collapse. Any quantitative “curve” is misleading because physical depletion + EROEI + capital reproduction thresholds + urban dependence + financial leverage interact nonlinearly.

In short: civilization behaves like a complex, energy-dependent, self-reinforcing machine network. Once net energy falls too low, the contraction accelerates naturally, and no smooth, predictable decline curve exists.”

That last bit “In short: civilization behaves like a complex, energy-dependent, self-reinforcing machine network is incorrect.

Civilization doesn’t “behave like” a complex, energy- dependent, self-reinforcing machine network, it IS one.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2026 8:38 pm

Im honestly unsure about cactus, I still lean towards worldwide, a slow collaose (although cactus might certainly occur regionally)

I put my research into an AI to summarise below:

Your Counter, Point by Point (Feb 2026 Reality)

1.  “Energy decline is gradual and uniform”
Still true for now, and will remain uneven when decline eventually arrives.
IEA (Feb 2026 Oil Market Report): global supply +2.4 mb/d in 2026 to 108.6 mb/d, demand only +0.85 mb/d → building surplus of ~3 mb/d average, inventories rising, prices heading to ~$58/b Brent. EIA says the same: inventories build 3.1 mb/d in 2026.
When the real rollover comes (probably 2030s+), it will be highly non-uniform: China’s domestic coal (still >50% of power capacity even as clean overtakes fossil in nameplate), unconventional gas ramp (100+ bcm shale/tight in 2025, heading higher), and SEA proximity mean the bloc’s energy base barely feels it while import-heavy West feels it more. Gradual + regional, not uniform global crash.

2.  “Supply chains are partially independent”
For essentials — overwhelmingly yes.

•  Coal, basic steel, fertilizer, diesel refining, mature-node electronics (28 nm+ that run 90% of real-world motors, inverters, tractors, pumps, grid controls), food distribution, wire/cable extrusion, forging/stamping presses — these are massively domestic or near-shore inside the China-SEA bloc.

•  China’s mining equipment market: $33.8 bn in 2025 → $43.4 bn by 2030, almost entirely local supply chain.

•  Rare earths/processing: China 70% mining + 90% refining — but that’s the high-end layer. Basic iron ore, copper smelting for power lines, phosphate for fertilizer? Widespread and regional.

•  The hyper-specialized, single-sourced, global-JIT stuff (EUV optics, certain HPHT sensors, exotic alloys for 3 nm chips) is real and fragile — but that’s the niche that runs data centers and latest iPhones, not the pumps moving water or the tractors planting rice.
Essentials are widespread and duplicated across thousands of local/regional players. The cascade argument acts like every tractor on Earth needs a Swiss ball-bearing made in one factory. It doesn’t.

3.  “Financial systems can absorb shocks”
They already have, repeatedly. 2008, 2020, 2022 inflation spike — strong states (especially China) print, redirect credit, force banks to roll debt, subsidize strategic sectors. In a grind scenario the financial layer just inflates away the pain in real terms while keeping the coal plants and fertilizer plants funded. Debt depends on growth? Yes — but “growth” can be 1–2% in the bloc with massive state direction while the West stagflates. The system has done exactly this for decades.

4.  “Governments act rationally and cooperatively”
They don’t need to be rational or cooperative globally. They only need to be effective locally for strategic essentials — and China + aligned SEA states are terrifyingly good at that.
15th Five-Year Plan, “whole-nation system”, localization mandates (≥50% domestic tools for new fabs/mines), strategic reserves, forced stockpiling, subsidies that ignore market signals — this is textbook “local, non-cooperative, but highly effective for survival basics.” The cascade guy assumes governments are clueless central planners who will accidentally starve their own energy/mining. In the resilient bloc they are the opposite: ruthless prioritizers of the widespread essentials layer.

The Core of Your Theory That Kills the Cascade Claim

The modern system is two different machines stacked on top of each other:

•  Top layer (niche, specialized, tightly coupled, fragile): bleeding-edge semis, advanced sensors, ultra-precise alloys, global JIT for high-margin goods. This frays first — higher costs, lower volume, de-complexification here is real and accelerating.

•  Bottom layer (widespread, duplicated, localized, buffered): coal, basic diesel refining, fertilizer from domestic phosphate, tractors on mature electronics, regional food chains, wire for power grids, stamping for basic infrastructure. This layer has huge redundancy, domestic supply chains, and state protection. It erodes slowly via rising costs and deferred maintenance — exactly your century-scale grind.
basically, only the peripheral shit like microchips get cactused. Most other things can indeed be localised

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Anonymous
February 18, 2026 10:07 pm

Nony, we are not talking about now, and if you only put in part of the overall picture, then A.I. will always come to the conclusion of nice slow gentle decline, because it takes the approach of ceteris paribus, with every other aspect, because that’s what most mainstream research has, that the A.I. is trained on..

Aspects you mention….”Basic iron ore, copper smelting for power lines, phosphate for fertilizer? Widespread and regional.”

OK but what about all the machines that make all these basic machines and parts for these industries ??

“The modern system is two different machines stacked on top of each other“.

No it isn’t, it’s a multiple of many different factors that interact with each other, of which none can be considered benign. Falling ore grades, diminishing returns on efficiency gains mean more energy involved in mining the same quantity of nearly every metal and mineral, with the number required for modernity increasing.

“Supply chains are partially independent” “For essentials — overwhelmingly yes.”

I’m sorry but this is totally garbage. Can you name a single supply chain that is independent of other aspects of modernity?? I can’t Take iron ore supply to China from Australia and Brazil. How do the imports of this look when there is no bunker fuel available??

We cannot separate essentials from discretionary products, it’s a fallacy that is often repeated on many internet sites. Take something simple like ball bearings. They are required in tractors, trucks, excavators, assembly lines, production lines, luxury cruise liners, recreational boats, bikes, skateboards, dolls prams, etc. The businesses that make such things do so at scale, to sell to their vast clientele. Their assembly lines, and machinery are geared up for volume, often with large furnaces designed for a certain throughput.

Shrink the size of the business by 50% plus and it all becomes inefficient, so more energy and materials intense for every ball bearing made. The workforce is a whole lot of specialists all required for the full process of manufacture. You can’t just sack half of your experts required at every step and expect the process to continue working as if they were all there.

“The hyper-specialized, single-sourced, global-JIT stuff.”

It’s a lot more than you or the A.I. realises. Going back 30 years now, we required a very particular part for an industrial machine, a small very specifically sized, electronic sensor. The machine it was in was over 10 years old back then.

This part was unavailable anywhere in the world, I checked every dealership I could find internationally. It came from a very particular factory in Italy, that was closed for the summer holidays, so had to wait 2 months. Our production came to a halt, we had to make some expensive, logistically highly expensive adjustments while production cratered, all for the lack of a single part that was never expected to fail; so I kept getting told by parts suppliers that didn’t have the part. 

Now imagine multiple parts manufacturers around the world all going bust in a very short period of time for a host of industrial machines that make the parts used in factories across the world, all due to a sudden financial downturn, that craters discretional spending and sends part manufacturers as well as factories broke across the world. Sure the govt might keep the John Deere factory subsidised, but what about the thousands of companies that keep JD supplied.

Sorry we have an energy dissipative structure that we call civilization, that has multiple feedback loops with non linear cascades of failure built in when energy production and use declines. The fact it’s non linear means outsized failures in unexpected areas. It can’t be planned for.

It basically requires a book to describe in full, which is why the people here are going to try and set it in chapters that can be understood, by those that have not researched the full implications of less energy in our system of civilization..

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2026 5:10 pm

Rob and Hideaway, what are your exact predictions? Do you have a year prediction?
EG back in 2023 Rob said that he expected oil supply to be down -50% by 2030, do you stand by that?

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Anonymous
February 18, 2026 5:34 pm

Hi Nony, I don’t have a precise year as we can never get hold of all the information required for that level of confidence.

I have an acceleration of decline in oil production as my main criteria for when collapse is immanently close.

Oil production decline will lead to over all energy availability decline, which means an acceleration of net energy decline for the rest of civilization. This faster decline in net energy, sets off a whole chain reaction throughout the world upsetting markets, causing debt crisis, affecting supply lines, mining, industrial production, modern agriculture, via a myriad of feedback loops, that affects the very production of energy itself, becoming self reinforcing to reduce energy flow, hence the cascade of collapse.

We can only guess the year, as we simply don’t know when oil fields like Ghawar, Burgan, Samotlor, etc, etc, enter terminal fast decline as these are often kept as state secrets.

I do not expect the future to look anything like the past once we hit peak energy production, let alone declines, so model from the past are to me mostly irrelevant, as in the model of how oil fields decline in a world of growing energy production, growing material extraction and use, growing efficiencies etc, (as per Hubbert field declines), are going to be useless when there is less of everything.

Decline rates will become compounded by supply line issues, much higher costs, much less capital for investment, governments becoming insular, banning all sorts of imports and/or exports etc.

While I’ve maintained an expectation of during the accelerated decline of oil production, because there are some buffers like strategic reserves to offset some decline, the A.I. I’ve been questioning recently seems to think only a small reduction in oil production, year over year is enough to cause fast collapse..

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 4:15 am

given the zero-sum game war path western leaders are currently following. It shouldn’t be long before we know what is true here

No offense to Hideaway (his prophecy is based on BAU and Cactus??) , but a potential war in the Middle East escalating into a limited or more nuclear exchange is not even a Black Swan event, but is entering into the realm of much higher odds. Considering that Mr. Dementia is at the controls and the past war games in Proud Prophet we are looking into the abyss sort term. . .

IMHO with apologies all around for being depressing and depressed all the time.

AJ

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Flippr
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 10:11 am

>>>  apologies all around for being depressing and depressed all the time.

Right there with you guys if that’s any consolation. Meh…

paqnation
Reply to  AJ
February 19, 2026 11:50 am

I feel it too AJ. That’s why I focus so much on keeping my sense of humor alive. 

Give this video a try. He’s a very funny dude.
And that first quote is the Michael Ruppert gospel.  

It’s all funny, don’t you think? And there’s something important there. If you’re not laughing, if you’re not finding it absurd, ridiculous or whatever, then there’s something… you’re going wrong somewhere. The whole fucking thing is hilarious. 

Sloth is a very advanced state. Which is probably why they badmouth it in religions and spiritual traditions. But it’s internally that we need to become slothful.

Anyway, remember, enthusiasm is very very bad. And when you become slothful, you will lose your enthusiasms and you’ll be a lot happier for it.

Sloth – The Cure of Many Ills

Renaee
Reply to  paqnation
February 19, 2026 4:34 pm

My comment got lost or posted in the wrong spot – was meant to be here, will listen to this one 😊 glad you are here reminding us to keep that sense of humour going. Philosophy of the absurd has served humans well throughout the ages, is fitting now more than ever.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  AJ
February 20, 2026 1:55 am

No need for apologies AJ, I’ve always assumed that only if civilization continues “normally” will oil shortages create the cascade of collapse and that other non linear disruptions could bring it on faster.

Middle East explosion, pardon the pun was always high on the list of possible early disruptors, creating collapse, just not necessary for actual collapse.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 4:15 pm

It’s also possible they don’t understand Cactus given the zero-sum game war path western leaders are currently following. It shouldn’t be long before we know what is true here.

I don’t see any evidence of Australian leaders understanding Cactus – how would this announcement be possible if they did:

The prime minister has announced $3.9 billion in funding for a new submarine construction yard in Adelaide, as part of a $30 billion project. The submarines are part of the $368 billion AUKUS pact. Five of the eight SSN-AUKUS nuclear submarines are expected to be delivered by the mid-2050s. The remaining three are due in the 2060s.

Or is this an example of ‘move mountains to avoid any decline in economic activity’ ?

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2026 7:06 pm

I am pretty sure that’s a yes to each of those. Or at least it’s a ‘we don’t try to stop it’ if not support it. We are well and truly wedded to the US and UK, a vassel state if ever there was one.

I don’t think anyone really believes these nuclear subs will ever be built.

paqnation
February 18, 2026 4:15 pm

(h/t Steve Bull). I enjoyed reading this. I like to hear transformations of clueless techno optimists finally waking up to some reality. 

Why This Is My Last Substack Post – by J. Thomas Dunn

For those who’ve been following along, you know I’ve been writing a book about how to reverse climate change and build a new collaborative economy. I approached this work with exhaustive research and what I thought to be a workable plan. I truly believed that if we could just get the framework right, if we could show people a viable path forward, we could turn this ship around.

From a personal vantage, I discovered two critical flaws in my own work:

First, human survival doesn’t depend on building a better economy, it depends on the elimination of “economy” itself. “The wealth and resources of a region defined by the production and consumption of goods and services.” The very framework I was trying to reform is the problem.

Second, the (Third Industrial Revolution) green energy transition I was advocating for is a fantasy.

As a side note, the one factor that every single collapsed empire has in common is widespread inequality. It’s a guarantee of collapse, and we here in America have perfected the art and business of inequality.

That last one makes me think he might lurk here. Hideaway is the only source I can point to that taught me how inequality balloons up to ridiculous levels towards the end of all complex systems (rainforest, hurricane, star, civilization, etc). And how this is a feature not a bug. 

The upcoming Collapse is a dystopian nightmare that is rendered all the more tragic because it could have been prevented.

Oops, never mind. Zero chance he lurks here.😂