
Neither Iran, nor the US, nor the mainstream news, nor most of the alternative news, ever mentions conventional oil depletion, or the fact that last year it was officially announced that US fracked oil is peaking, or the empire’s need to sell oil for USD to support its reserve currency.
Instead they blame a tiny country of 10 million with zero resources for controlling a rich country of 300 million, or nuclear weapons that US government security officials testified do not exist, or the need to protect the same citizens they harmed with sanctions and bombs, or 10 other bullshit reasons.
Even insiders with high integrity and intelligence do not speak the truth:
We see pundits speculating that US is actually trying to capture business from the gulf states by supplying US oil and LNG to the world, or how the Hormuz closure is good because it will accelerate the energy transition away from oil, or how life will go back to normal the day after Hormuz reopens.
These are not small errors.
The Iran war is the most consequential event since oil was discovered 167 years ago, and will harm every human on the planet, yet almost no one discusses its root cause, or its true implications.
How is this possible? Seriously.
The only person that occasionally admits the true objective is to control Iran’s oil is an elderly person with a failing brain that rants on a social media platform he owns but no one else uses, and most people ignore his rants because he’s a crazy old guy, and they ignore he threatened to genocide a 2500 year old civilization of 90 million people, and they ignore he times his tweets with the market to enable insider trading, and they ignore he thinks he’s Jesus 2.0, and they ignore he has absolute authority over the world’s second largest nuclear weapons arsenal.
How is this possible? Seriously.













Covid, the second most consequential event in decades, followed a similar pattern.
Governments, and healthcare “professionals”, and most intellectuals, and mainstream news, and the majority of citizens, never discussed and denied the obvious bioweapon source of the virus, or the fact that mRNA is a radically new pharma technology with a history of failed trials, or the grossly insufficient testing used to justify the transfection of billions that did not need protection, or the obvious inherent risks associated with mRNA technology, or the data that subsequently proved mRNA did not work and was dangerous.
Not one person has been held to account for the unnecessary deaths of about 20 million people.
How is this possible? Seriously.
Thank you Dr. Ajit Varki for keeping the few of us able to see reality sane with your MORT theory that explains why we are surrounded by 8 billion crazies.
Sarah Connor, I think without an AI, explains why this will be the last collapse.
She’s getting closer to understanding CACTUS, although still believes the collapse will be slow:
https://www.collapse2050.com/the-last-collapse/
Preptip:
Here’s an idea for securing protein without the cost and effort of raising chickens.
Curious minds want to know why representatives of the Iran government, who are working hard to educate citizens on the injustice of the US attack, never mention control of oil and exchange for USD as key drivers.
I understand why the aggressor wants to obscure the truth, but why is the victim also obscuring the truth?
Is it simply that both the aggressor and the victim don’t want to draw attention to scarcity and overshoot?
Maybe support for attacking Iran would increase if western citizens understood peak oil?
Does anyone understand what’s going on here?
It occasionally crosses my mind . . . I think about Xia and Putin, both really smart guys who understand politics and science much better than your average citizen. What do they see for the future? Don’t they see we are running out of fossil fuels (and all it’s derivatives)? Do they just have such good denial genes? I just wonder.
AJ
My guess is they understand very well what is going on.
Good morning everyone, welcome to another day, or the wrapping up of hopefully a good one. To put into the same perspective as the Australian government trying to reassure us that we have plenty of oil incoming by presenting it in litres rather than barrels (they secured recently 100 million litres of diesel, currently on the way to arrive any day now! sounds like a shitload until one realises that equates to less than one day’s worth for our country’s usage), we have had 86,400 seconds in which to live today, now doesn’t that sound more generous and life affirming?
My point is (and I think I do have one, forgive me it’s still a bit early here) I absolutely believe that the governments, especially in the empire countries which have been so insulated from any energy awareness, are doing everything possible to prevent the population from waking up to that fact until the very last moment when there are no options left. Mass panic before all groundwork is in place for a controlled lockdown or whatever is in store for us will upset the plan which has the highest probability to work if it is sudden, totally authoritative if not draconian, and is instigated due to a clear and present emergency. There’s a one time chance to do this, just like how the world wide Covid lockdowns rolled out almost in lock step.
The Australian government has given a very vague 4 stage plan in dealing with the fuel crisis, and insist we are merely in stage 2, the watch and wait stage–nothing to see here, continue to live your lives as normally as possible. To this end, they have scrapped an excise tax so now the price of petrol is almost as low as it was before the war started, although diesel is still elevated. So our population was able to still indulge in travel over the Easter holiday, and continue to plan future holidays, buying houses or undergoing renovations, whatever keeps the economy going despite inflation rising like a sea monster from the deep. The other day we were told we had less than 30 days of diesel left and only 28 days of jet fuel, but don’t worry, 56 ships are on the way (it’s like saying the check is in the mail) and we won’t progress with the stage 3 rationing (whatever that’s going to look like, can’t even talk about that without inciting panic) until we’re down to 10 days reserve. Ten days! (I wrote it out as a word to see if it looks any more reassuring, nope)
So I do think we’re still trying to pull the wool over our eyes until the last possible moment when our doom cannot be forestalled any longer. Any in-depth discussion of our dire predicament on the mainstream is not conducive as whatever will need to happen will need to be on a scope and scale never before experienced by humanity, and panic will only decrease our snowball’s chance in hell.
And now for the photo of the day, may this bring some calm and wonder as it never fails to do for me. As you know, I worship bamboo and have about 30 different plants on the land. Bamboo is revered in Asian philosophy for their great beauty, strength with flexibility, usefulness, and the ability to engender awe and reverence. The bamboo I planted 12 years ago started as one small stick, and now the biggest clump is about 7 metres in diameter with culms (technical term for the canes) reaching upward of 25 metres. They are simply majestic and really otherworldly, especially during the shoot season. I know I have shared a few photos of these great living things before, but here’s a few more. One photo is of two stands of yellow culm bamboo that serve as a fabulous windbreak whilst standing like guardians. The other is a photo of a shoot rising.
Namaste, friends.
Shoot.
Giant bamboo
do look up
Dendrocalamus gigantea ( or D. asper ? )
Hello my dear friend David and fount of encyclopaedic plant knowledge,
I believe the above may be D. latiflorus, it has just gone berserk here as our tallest bamboo and as you know with all our rain here this year, it’s just loving it. I think you and Jo have seen it? Hope your week is going well.
Love from Gaia
Nastus elatus ( New Guinea edible bamboo )
Right you are! It’s amazing how thin walled this species is compared to all our others. Guess that’s why it’s edible even raw.
Bambusa eutuldoides var. viridivittata ( “China Gold ” Bamboo )
Thanks again for your summation of australian situation. Im on my phone at the moment so will have a proper look at the photos when home. But yes it was the sheer scale and majesty of the bamboo in those other photos you shared which was just awe inspiring.
I just added the names for the fun of it, Gaia. Probably no one is interested anyway. (maybe Hideaway, I think he has some bamboos planted )
(Yes, this is me, your almost-neighbour )
Of course I knew it was you, David! I am so pleased you lurk here, too! I am enjoying the bamboo books you lent me, it’s just so amazing what this plant can do. For now, I am just happy to witness it growing!
Antonio Turiel today with a good big picture summary of Hormuz implications.
https://crashoil.blogspot.com/2026/04/preparense-para-el-impacto.html
Indrajit Samarajiva with a brutal rant against
the US empirehuman nature in times of scarcity.https://indi.ca/america-has-dementia/
New interview by Nate Hagens on the Hormuz closure (recorded 6 days ago).
Interesting points:
About a month ago, Energyskeptic (re)posted an article about the population and immigration taboo. Interestingly, she doesn’t mention MORT.
https://energyskeptic.com/2026/why-are-population-immigration-taboo-topics/
It particularly saddens me to see people on the left denying overpopulation because overpopulation makes most of the goals they want to achieve (e.g. more equality, environmental conservation), more difficult if not impossible.
https://energyskeptic.com/2025/disparity-in-wealth/
An interview with B. The honest sourcerer.
https://sarahwilson.substack.com/p/a-wild-live-with-the-honest-sorcerer
unfortunately you only get 10 mins without being a paid subscriber.
This link is a comment thread from Michael on Quark’s blog talking about the two defense mechanisms that prevent the masses from seeing what we see: threat fatigue & cognitive dissonance. (Cool comment but I still lean towards defective denial genes)
https://rayonegro.substack.com/p/cinco-minutos-antes-del-hundimiento/comment/250435905
Interesting discussion of Hormuz closure implications.
Everything appears normal because we’ve been drawing down oil buffers from ships enroute and on-land reserves.
Things will begin to break first week of May.
We’ve already past the point of no return so even if peace is achieved tomorrow there will be long term consequences.
No discussion of CACTUS implications.
I wish we could find someone with deep oil industry knowledge plus CACTUS awareness but one doesn’t seem to exist.
How is this possible? Seriously.
https://www.hfir.com/p/wctw-the-oil-market-breaking-point-eab
Another issue to add to CACTUS supply chain collapse is circuit boards.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/component/content/article/they-cant-make-printed-circuit-boards-anymore-iran-war-naptha-outage
The retarded morons who re-started the Iran war have caused yet another catastrophe: The Manufacture of Printed Circuit Boards (PCB) must cease from lack of polyphenylene ether (PPE) resin, needed to make them.
An Iranian strike on Saudi Arabia’s Jubail petrochemical complex in early April 2026 halted production at a facility operated by the Saudi Arabian Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC), which supplies approximately 70% of the global high-purity polyphenylene ether (PPE) resin used in printed circuit board (PCB) laminates.
Polyphenylene ether (PPE) resin, often referred to as polyphenylene oxide (PPO), is used in printed circuit board (PCB) laminates primarily because of its superior electrical performance at high frequencies. While standard materials like FR-4 (epoxy-based) are sufficient for everyday electronics, PPE is essential for advanced technologies like 5G infrastructure, high-speed servers, and automotive radar. PPE can withstand heat, it prevents circuit boards from warping over time, and thereby malfunctioning.
This critical supply disruption has caused PCB prices to surge by up to 40% in April alone, according to Goldman Sachs analysts. The shortage, compounded by disrupted Gulf shipping routes and rising copper costs, has forced manufacturers like South Korea’s Daeduck Electronics to raise prices and extend material wait times from three weeks to fifteen.
Reuters reports that SABIC, which operates in the Jubail complex and accounts for approximately 70% of the global high-purity PPE Resin supply, has been unable to resume production and supply since the event.
The impact of this strike was almost immediate, as is the reality of supply chains, and has rapidly flowed down to all industries downstream of the facility, leading to severe shortages of the critical material.
This is not the first time the war in Iran has impacted the global electronic supply chain. Earlier this week, the South China Morning Post reported that major Japanese suppliers of photoresist — a key chip-making chemical — had begun informing customers, such as Samsung and SK Hynix, of disruptions in raw-material procurement. The suppliers cited the scarcity of naphtha, a raw material for making the photoresist, stemming from the conflict, as they rely on the Middle East for more than 40% of their supply.
What this means for all of us
THIS IS A BLACK SWAN
ALL ELECTRONICS NEED PCB
70% OF ALL PCB RESIN CAME FROM ONE PLANT THAT IS NOW OFFLINE
Printed circuit boards (PCBs) are found in nearly all electronic devices, serving as the foundation for connecting components in products ranging from consumer gadgets to industrial machinery. Common applications include smartphones, laptops, TVs, medical imaging, automotive systems, household appliances, and gaming consoles.
In simpler terms, go look in your kitchen. Do you see your Toaster Oven, regular sliced-bread toaster, Microwave Oven, your cooking stove, Dishwasher, Refrigerator, Coffee Maker? THEY ALL USE PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARDS.
Go look in your utility closet. Do you have a central air conditioning air-handler? A hot water heater? THEY ALL USE PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARDS. Can’t make them anymore, either.
Your TV, stereo, DVD or Blu-Ray player? Can make them anymore, either.
Are you starting to understand the implications of this? None of these things can be manufactured anymore because Printed Circuit Board manufacturing is offline.
Key Product Categories Using PCBs:
Consumer Electronics: Smartphones, tablets, smartwatches, televisions, gaming consoles, and cameras.
Computers & Computing: Laptops, desktop motherboards, graphics cards, and peripheral devices.
Automotive Systems: Engine control units (ECUs), antilock brake systems, and navigation systems.
Medical Equipment: Pacemakers,, medical imaging systems (CT, MRI), infusion pumps, and heart rate monitors.
Industrial Machinery: Power converters, motor controllers, and robotic systems.
Communication & Technology: Routers, switches, and radio communication devices.
Household Items: Microwaves, refrigerators, coffee makers, and, alarm clocks.
There’s an upside to this though: The dingbats who re-started the Iran war – can’t get more missiles, radar, communications gear because all those war items . . . . USE PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARDS which can’t be manufactured anymore thanks to the war-makers causing SABIC to be bombed by Iran.
Some of the mental weaklings out there will lay the blame on “Iran Bombing SABIC.” But maybe if Israel and the United States weren’t BOMBING IRAN, then Iran wouldn’t have bombed back! None of this would have happened.
The world was told the US and Israel were going to “Bomb Iran back into the Stone Age.” Congratulations to the people who thought that: What they’ve done to Iran is starting to send _us_ back to the Stone Age.
Government morons.
Thanks. That’ll disrupt a lot of things that “no one saw coming”.
Preptip:
I’ve been struggling with some decisions on what to buy spares of.
On the one hand, an economic depression is likely so there may be a period of good sales on some items and therefore it would be wise to wait. On the other hand, we might go straight to scarcity without a period of low prices.
I have a microwave oven that I use about 5 times a day and consider an essential cooking tool. My microwave is 5 years old and AI tells me I should expect 10 years life on average at my usage rate.
I saw a 30% off sale on the same (cheap) model and decided to buy a spare. Because its the same model I should be able to swap parts.
I just get second hand ones for free from our tip shop or facebook marketplace. I used to have two spares. Need to get on to that again.
I did check for used ones first but was surprised how few were available. Maybe I should have been more patient but I was feeling some urgency.
I dont know how it is in your guys’ countries, but in NZ most second hand stuff is actual junk already on its last legs
Perhaps the author could have added, modern large tractors, harvesters, cool rooms, trucks, mining dump trucks, processing plants at mines, drill rigs, fracking equipment, downhole sensors, excavators and bulldozers, modern factory processing lines of anything, etc.
All will start to suffer as things start to break and the replacement PCB is not available for X amount of time..
One aspect I’ve really noticed but keep forgetting to comment on, is how just about every writer on the topic, puts it in terms of effects on households using consumer goods, and almost never on all the industrial applications that are required to make it all. There seems to be an assumption that mines, smelters, processing/refining plants, factories all just sit in the background ready to ‘work’ as soon as supplies resume..
Look at what happens after the lag time of raw ingredients and finished PCBs run out after a lag time, when the plant in Saudi Arabia, needs to buy the replacement parts, from a factory which is no longer getting the raw ingredients and has some need for PCBs for some of it’s equipment, then finds the raw materials suppliers also can’t just resume as they need new computers, PCBs in some equipment etc, or the transport is not working until replacements…
Part of the story of the modern world is that you can just go and buy whatever you need. It’s a denial of the feedback loops within feedback loops of how the world will work totally differently on the way down compared to the way up (in complexity, material and energy use) over the last 250-300 years.
The only big question left is have we damaged too many feedback loops of modern complexity already, or can it be like just a huge reduction then build back up. The longer the supply chain disruptions remain the more damage done, with most of the world not suffering much just yet from any of it, due to ‘inventories’ that are being rapidly depleted..
Yes most commentators seem to miss the bigger interconnections for all aspects of modernity. It sure is going to be interesting riding this sinking ship.
I am thinking that we should start to hear about major fuel issues surfacing in the next two weeks for Australia. Any thoughts?
A key milestone on this highway to hell was Adam Smith, David Ricardo and other money economy wonks giving us the “comparative advantage” mindset, where immediate profit from a transaction is the best way to go.
Redundancy and self reliance cost money, and are a strategy that will pay off in the long term, but the financial world does not use that time framework.
So it goes.
Redundancy and self-reliance can be good strategies for many key modernity systems, like for example, water, food, transportation, electricity, and communications.
However redundancy and self-reliance is often not possible for the key force driving CACTUS: The need for rising technology complexity and scale to maintain flows of non-renewable resources as the quality of reserves declines.
Every country cannot have its own copper mine. Mines need to be located at the few locations with the highest remaining ore grades and even then the capital and energy and technology required to meet global copper demands pushes the limits of what is possible and affordable.
Not directly collapse or overshoot related but still an important cautionary tale.
https://www.the-independent.com/tech/claude-ai-agent-deletes-startup-anthropic-b2966176.html
‘It took nine seconds’: Claude AI agent deletes company’s entire database
PocketOS founder says ‘systemic failures’ with AI infrastructure made catastrophic failure inevitable
Here is a twitter post that goes into detail.
https://x.com/lifeof_jer/status/2048103471019434248
Dr. Tom Murphy explains how his views have changed and why he remains optimistic about the future.
https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2026/04/two-murphys-part-1/
Without MORT I would be at a loss to explain what’s going. He is such a profound thinker and smart person and yet …
The Noble Blob Myth strikes again! Forget about MAGA, Tom should make red hats with the letters MECUA (Make Energy Constraints Unbreakable Again).
I did like this bit. The other guy in the debate (Dave) is hellbent on continuing at least one piece of modernity; insulin production. Tommy aint havin it:
LOL, I forget the exact stats but something like 90% of diabetes will go away when sugar is scarce and we’re barely meeting our daily caloric requirements.
So there’s no need for insulin in the future.
How is it possible Dave missed this obvious fact? Seriously. 🙂
Nice! You have a talent for shutting things down very quickly and easily. The sugar scarcity didn’t even dawn on me (or Tommy, cuz that should’ve been in his argument).
Different types of diabetes. three main types: Type 1 (autoimmune, no insulin production), Type 2 (insulin resistance/deficiency), and Gestational (pregnancy-related). Other types include Maturity-Onset Diabetes of the Young (MODY), latent autoimmune diabetes in adults (LADA), and secondary diabetes caused by medications or diseases.
We have records of type 1 diabetes before refined sugar.
I hava a mate with type 1 diabetes who knows society would collapse without oil.
«I am one of the first to go down» he says.
What percent of diabetes that requires insulin to survive goes away in the next generation of people if sugar is scarce and calories are restricted?
I am in the process of getting our own cattle and I am building yards. For any of you interested in cattle handing you might know the name Temple Grandin. She is famous for changing cattle handling facilities throughout the world. She is autistic and thinks in pictures and can see how cattle see the world when interacting with humans.
Anyway my partner found this film and we watched it last night and it was exceedingly enjoyable. I highly recommend.
Thanks, that looks like an excellent movie. Adding to my library at the top of the queue.
Groundhog Day starring Hideaway and Brandon is still playing in local theatres near you.
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2026/04/15/322-gentlemen-and-players/comment-page-2/#comment-51617
I listened to this great explainer video about the benefits of walking. It might be AI genertaed, not sure actually, and I did not watch it, as the diagrams are too detailed, but it was a great reminder about health benefits of walking and how our bodies are designed for this activity more than any other. Goes into the development of bipedalism and how it gave us an evolutionary advantage as well.
So new focus for me, not the bike, or swimming – but just an hour or more of walking per day. Gardening or ‘pottering’ does not have the same benefits, and often is a strain when it’s making new beds or heavy lifting, so I am prioritising this for mental and physical health, and its enjoyable too – and our little dog Coco gets to see more of the neighbourhood and enjoys benefits as well.
Of course as soon as this came up on my YT feed and I watched it, then I started to see videos along the lines of ‘Why you should not walk every day over 50!’ etc etc. It seems that every kind of health advice you can find, someone will always tell you the opposite.
And if it becomes the case that we have to join the roaming hordes who leave the city to start raiding country farms, well I will be more up to the task – gotta laugh!
Walking is my thing too. I try to walk an hour a day but often skip it if I’ve done something else physical.
I always feel better and sleep better after a long walk. I like that it never feels like I am damaging something when I walk.
That’s not Dr. Feynman’s voice, but is probably something he wrote, although I did not check.
Feynman had one the most impressive human brains ever. He made many important contributions to our understanding of physics and helped to invent the atomic bomb.
He also had an over the top character with a great sense of humor, plus bongo drum, lock picking, and painting skills. I believe he also was a notorious Casanova.
That’s great to have some context for these videos and who Feynmen was – there are quite a lot of them in the series. I listened to the one about introverts vs extraverts and a different / alternative dopamine reward system for introvert types, was very interesting.
And glad to have your endorsement on the walking. It’s so obvious to me now – duh! But it is something that can slip when you are trying to do a lot of work around a new place inside and out, as i have been doing over the past few months since moving here, and walking has def taken a back seat.
Walking is something our species evolved to excel at and is how we originally made our living. Common sense says it must be very good for us.
Imagine you are a young Iranian man and you read this statement from a powerful US leader (that is not suffering from dementia or a lifetime of rude behavior).
I’d be so mad that I’d volunteer to defend my country to the death.
How can the US be so blind to the effect of its behavior on enemies?
How is this possible? Seriously.
On a collapse discord server someone said this:
Here is the link for any lurkers who are on discord
https://discord.com/channels/415671701549088790/743852798826774528/1498100346336182403
This was my reply
The following message was posted at work
I’ve got a feeling sentiment is going to shift from complacency to panic very quickly.
What country are you in Florian?
I agree. It feels like a tsunami but instead of the water disappearing we have S&P 500 all-time highs.
I’m from Vienna, Austria.
When do you expect diesel shortages in your area?
As cultural Christians I guess it’s quite engrained in us that we expect the ‘world’ to end soon. Early Christians where all about it and the Bible is full of references.
According to me it would have already happened quite a few times in the past. But somehow BAU is still here. This is the biggest oil shock in history but somehow I still do vacation planning for this summer with my girlfriend. At the same time I buy rice and tuna. It’s really, utterly confusing and I have no idea.
It is confusing.
I dropped out of my “US bad/Iran good” echo chamber yesterday to listen to what the “US good/Iran bad” echo chamber was saying.
Large groups of people live in completely differrent realities.
I see more evidence in support of my echo chamber than the other, but facts seem to be irrelevant today.
Imagine you’re an alien visiting planet earth trying to understand one strange animal species that competes for status by having eight females dance in a pool to the music of a pedophile.
It depends. If I was a rookie alien on my first assignment I’d have to conclude that this is the most wretched species to ever exist in the universe. If I was an experienced visitor that has seen many planets where the blob has reached fire, nothing about this scene would look strange.
The best motorcycle channel on this planet is branching out into CACTUS gear.
Great production quality and humor. Produced in my province as a bonus.
I’ve always liked FortNine. His channel has some of the best reviews of motorcycles and their accessories on the internet. That his posts always have a good sense of humor and that he admits when he has been wrong add to the appeal.
AJ
And actually a good bike. Buy a couple extra chains and tires, maybe an extra battery (they have what looks like a Bosch PowerPack, which uses quality cells compared to common chinese batteries with little to no certification) and it could potentially last you a lifetime, however long that may be. Plus, you don’t even need to ride it with pedal assist, which is a healthy exercise. I have been using a cargo ebike for groceries for some time now, since I neither can afford nor want to buy a car.
Yeah, I’ve thought of one too. Problem is “town” is 20+ miles away up and down a big pass and trucks and cars routinely go 60+ mph. If not for that and collapse soon I’d get one. Great choice for you.
AJ
How Iran Will Kill 80+ Years of US Global Hegemony.
The war in Iran is not only the end of Pax Americana, but the end of maritime navigational freedom and a serious body blow to globalization in general. If Iran gets away with putting a toll on the strait of Hormuz, the genie will be out of the bottle. Other countries controlling critical maritime chokepoints might do the same.
Thanks Stellar.
This discussion is also very good on how difficult it will be to find an end to the conflict.
As I watched them I kept thinking, none of these people understand CACTUS.
Could only sit through half of this. Too much White Empire/Western Civ perspectives. Iran is not the bad actor, Israel, U.S., GCC, Europe are the EVIL EMPIRE and Iran, the Global South, Russia, China are the good guys.
AJ
Rintrah has some interesting thoughts on depression today. He tried everything to get over it without success.
Essentially he says accept it and move on with your life.
https://www.rintrah.nl/there-is-no-cure/
A interesting essay topic for Hideaway would be to explain that as energy falls GDP will probably fall faster.
Not sure about an essay, but it’s very easy to explain simply…
During the rise of energy use, GDP, population, urbanization and complexity, we get efficiency gains in everything we do, which we use the increasingly available cheap high EROEI energy to do.
On the way down, we get decreasing energy use, lower GDP and efficiency losses due to the simplification, while still having high urbanization.
The entire process on the way up was one of using the highest grade resources of everything, yet on the way down we only have the lower grade resources left to use, so they become exponentially harder to obtain, from the combination of lower grades, lower efficiencies and lower energy available to gain access to it all, while still having high urbanization with people removed by distance and technology from their food sources.
Oh Uncle Hideaway,
Your fables for our times are just the best! The way you tell it, I totally get the moral of this short but sweet bedtime story, What goes Up, comes Down faster than a ton of Cactus. Why is this so difficult for most people to understand? Maybe we need to record your authoritative yet soothing voice speaking the truth, perhaps that will wake up the masses.
Hope you and your family are traveling well (or just staying put at home which is probably best). It does feel a bit like the sword of Damocles waiting out these next couple weeks which will be the great reveal whether or not Australia has any real plan or possibility going forward, but as you say, we might just limp along a bit longer.
Thank you for being here with us, sprinkling knowledge and wisdom freely like pixie dust.
In my simplistic view of this topic, I know that everything has oil use somewhere in the lifecycle. So I think it’s fair to say that each barrel of oil produces x amount of economic activity. If the barrel shrinks by 10%, only 0.9x of economic activity is possible. It seems fairly rational to think that a 10% reduction in oil availability will inevitably result in 10% less economic activity and GDP. I’m sure that there are nuances but a 10% reduction seems a reasonable ball park figure.
What you said is a good first order approximation of the relationship between oil and the economy. It’s based on the idea that wealth is produced by work, and work is proportional to energy consumed.
It’s orders of magnitude more accurate than the idiot economists that believe oil depletion and climate change impact on agriculture are no big deal because energy and agriculture are a small fraction of the economy.
The point I was trying to make is that CACTUS teaches us that there are many complex feedback loops that energy and mineral extraction depend upon, and continuous extraction requires both scale and complexity to grow, which means extraction must grow.
If the extraction rate declines for any reason, then complexity and scale growth will slow, and many feedback loops will break, causing a self-reinforcing decline in energy and mineral availability, and so we should expect the economy to shrink more than simple geologic depletion and GDP is proportional to energy predicts.
The AMOC is closer to collapse than previously thought.
https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/climate-change/nations-need-to-prepare-now-key-atlantic-ocean-current-is-much-closer-to-collapse-than-scientists-thought
Here is the study:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adx4298
CM needs an editor. He took 30 mins to say something that should only take 5 mins. 8 mins tops.
I skimmed through it. This price manipulation can only go one for so long. Eventually, it will backfire.
I really miss the old Chris Martenson. The current events should have been his time to shine.
It’s sad that it’s difficult to have awareness plus integrity and make a living.
Found this article by Quinn Jacobson from Dec 2025. I’m guessing he doesn’t know about un-Denial because I couldn’t find a mention anywhere on his blog. But he seems to know a lot about death anxiety.
The video at the bottom is him reading the article.
https://studioq.com/blog/https/studioqcom/blog-2
I’m still not ready to endorse this dude, but so far so good. His blog and youtube channel are interesting. He’s a huge Ernest Becker fan.
This dimmer switch video reminded me of my MORT for Dummies. I was kind of embarrassed about that post after it got no engagement. Rob gave me the dreaded “I’m going to let it cook a bit before saying too much”… always a bad sign. (sister Gaia was the only one who gave me some positive vibes, but I think she was just being nice)
I just read it again and I change my mind. I do like it. This thing makes sense. And impressive to be coming from someone who had only found out about MORT six weeks prior. You people just don’t know a good thing when you see it. LOL!!!
https://un-denial.com/2024/02/20/by-paqnation-aka-chris-my-final-act/comment-page-2/#comment-94256
Hey bro,
I don’t think we yet woke up to the fact that we were long lost siblings from a past life when I responded to your comment there. Whether or not that gives more weight to my just being nice, I can’t remember. In fact, I can’t remember a thing of what I wrote there, it is just so bizarre to re-read something written in one’s past (especially in my case where I sometimes do carry on with weird shit), I said that?
But I do admit that it’s rather nice to have a history that says this is where we came from and how we’ve progressed (or regressed) in thinking. The sum total of the conversations here must take up some of the Terabyte space that Rob so faithfully curates.
I do recall how (but not exactly when) we officially bonded–through our shared trauma of orthodontal agony!
Hope you’re going well and settling in for the show that is about to really begin.
Hi Gaia. Yep, sharing our orthodontic war stories is where we became siblings.😊 I might have to look for those comments just to get a good laugh.
You had asked me about my water tank. No rainwater. I’m gonna fill it up from the hose. But it turns out I didn’t do enough research. It doesn’t fit on the side of the house where it would be shaded. So I got a black tote cover but I was reading some reddit comments about how nothing can prevent algae if it’s gonna be in the AZ sun all day. One guy (living in phoenix) went into great detail about how he painted it black, wrapped black plastic around it, and used a tote cover… and the algae still showed up! After that he put a tank in his garage and has never had algae problems.
So the plan now is to give up my parking space in the garage and put this beast in there. My simple pet project is turning into a goddamn mission.
You go, bro! I know it’s horses for courses but I just posted a photo of one of our water tanks, I hope you won’t have tank envy but size here does matter as we do get quite a bit of rainfall here (YTD has been 2200mm, one of the wettest on record).
I like how tidy your place is with the gravel and green grass all in their respective boundaries. I think you would faint to see our place, wilderness may be too tame of a description for some areas! In fact, here’s a sample of the herbage, very tropical. The bananas and bamboo loved the extra rain this year.
If you or anyone else would like, I can get back to more regular posting of images of our place (at most a few a day if I remember), but only if you share more piccies of Mr Zeus and Bear.
Awesome pics! Your garden looks like Renaee’s. A pigsty mess. LOL. The first time I was telling Renaee I liked how messy everything was, I think it took her a minute to realize it was a compliment. My american eyes are used to seeing everything tidy and uniformed. Cookie cutter madness. I love the wildness you guys have going on.
And what a crazy jungle where you live. I’m expecting to see Tarzan or King Kong pop out of the bush.
You weren’t lying about being into buckets. I counted 21 in one of the pics. We only had a couple so after one of your comments where you were promoting the benefits, I went out and bought 6 (without lids, another goddamn rookie mistake😡) and hid them in the garage. A while back my mom found them and asked what they’re for. I said, “Gaia says you can never have enough buckets”. She asked, “who the hell is Gaia?” I told her Gaia is Mother Earth. My mom looked very concerned about my mental health. LOL!!
ps. Thanks for totally emasculating me with your monster water tank(s) compared to my tiny thing. All I can say is… I’m a grower, not a shower.😂
pss. Damn near broke my neck for this pic. I’m too old and frail to be standing on the sink.
Oh, that’s just the cutest! Don’t cats have a way of curling up in just about any space, it’s totally their prerogative!
Yes, some areas of our place can be likened to a pigsty but there’s still organisation behind it, mind you! I am so glad you got some more buckets and while you’re at it, get a couple trugs for Mr Zeus to nest in if nothing else. Currently I am trialing growing potatoes in the larger trugs, I partially fill the bottom with compost (not even finished compost, just yesterday’s vegetable and fruit peelings) and then covering with some soil and leaves, we have a near endless supply of bamboo leaves, and then planting the potato into that, to be mounded up with more leaves and soil as it grows.
Here’s a photo of our shed entrance area where I would be greeting you when you come visit. It used to be part of the open verandah which we’ve walled in, and now it has a really cozy feeling with the view being our bamboo.
The next photo is of our wall to ceiling bookcase which houses less than 50% of the books we once had, we did a massive culling before moving our stuff up here, that was difficult. The books we have kept is a representation of all bits of our lives and my personal tribute to humanity, really, I’ve even kept my old Encyclopaedia Britannica, that was the internet for knowledge back in the day! That blue futon is my favourite nesting site, Mr Zeus can join me any day!
This is the main library, of nearly everything except for all the gardening, self-sufficiency, permaculture, books which have their own separate area, to be revealed in good time! I kept a small sample of my cookbooks (they are mainly on the half shelf) to remind us of our cultural heritage and what gave so much pleasure to humans during their days of ascendancy. It’s hard to think that one day, perhaps soon, we will be marveling that once we could eat as described in these books. My classical CD collection is above the cookbooks, all other music is housed elsewhere. Everything is now so nostalgic to me. The round thing hanging in the middle is my mini trampoline, it just happened to fit perfectly between the shelves. Trampolining is supposed to be good for health, moves things around the body but I just like the feeling of bouncing to music!
I love this library. We have had to cull books over the years too, and Andrew has always said he wanted a ceiling to floor and wall to wall shelves for books, just like this. He reads and has read far more than me over the years. Most of his books are now stored in my parents shed in dusty old boxes.
Picturing you bouncing away to some tunes and smiling here 😉
Very nice. No electricity or computers required for pleasure or knowledge.
Looks like you have one very special book open for display.
That’s a book on yoga flipped to the poses I’m supposed to do every day (the yoga mat is just on the floor there, not shown) but as of late I’ve gotten away from my routine a bit. Thank you for reminding me in this way for getting off my bum and back to the stretching which does feel so good. But I agree with Renaee and most others here, walking is the absolute best therapy for us Homo sapiens. The Chinese have a saying that we carry with us two doctors at all times, Drs left leg and right leg! Also when they say they are going to walk somewhere, they refer to taking “bus number 11” with the two legs pictorially being the ones.
Hmmm, it’s a worry with being able to view this level of detail in the photos, Gaia will have absolutely no secrets anymore!
I wondered if it was Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health by L. Ron Hubbard.
Now why would you think that? I actually never read anything by Hubbard, although tucked in the bookcase somewhere are other pseudoscience, philosophical woohoo that may raise a few eyebrows here. You’re welcome to browse my shelf if you can get the resolution high enough! Next thing, I’ll be inviting you to sit down for a mug of coffee. Here’s where.
if you look closely you can see my cheap Dell laptop on the cooling rack (which is on a trolley) on the lower left, I am sitting on the blue futon at this very moment typing from that computer. Now you also see the flue from the woodheater, of course fires and books go together (no, I do not mean bookburning!)
I was admiring your beautiful wood stove and missed the laptop until you mentioned it. I love wood stoves. They last a long time and rarely need repairs.
Thank you Rob, I love wood stoves too, and this is an Esse, an English make which is really solid, not quite all cast iron but the top certainly is. It is actually a hybrid between a woodheater and slow combustion stove, the hob is large enough to host several pots/skillet/kettle and there is also a small oven underneath the firebox which is great for overnight cooking of our much loved beans and rice! The rated efficiency is pretty good at 73% and with the right kind of hardwood (of which we do have lots here) it can burn overnight easily. You can see the hob has a handy cover you can pop down if you want to keep the heat contained. Overall, a very well built device which I am sure will see us out, that was the idea in investing in a quality unit. It could have been retrofitted with a wetback to heat water but the solar hot water system was much easier to install and made more sense as we only really need the fire for a few months of the year. I have one going nicely right now, actually, the first fire of the autumn season (it was so wet and rainy and just chilly enough at 22 C in the house, I know, we tropically attuned hairless apes are sooks).
I am sorry if all this is way too much information, but perhaps it will be useful to someone here who is considering installing a woodheater–if you can, and need one, you won’t regret it! Make sure you get one that has a big enough hob to keep a pot of soup simmering, even if you don’t go for the baker’s oven type which does reduce the heat output a bit seeing as it directs some of the heat to the oven compartment. For us, that was a bonus as we don’t need the full heating capacity. Another thing that may or may not be evident in the photo (I will look for one that might show it better) is a really cool gadget that sits on the hob which is an Ecofan, and shout out to all Canadians because it is designed and made there! Once the hob heats up to a certain temp, it converts the heat energy through a chemical compound in a wafer thing to electrical energy and it spins the fan to distribute the heat in the room! How cool is that? I’m not sure what the magic stuff is but someone here will know, probably Rob.
Okay, enough bedtime homesteading stories from Gaia for today. Thank you again for your interest, hope there are some takeaway tips of all sorts for anyone who’s fallen down Gaia’s rabbit hole! You are most welcome to stay!
Excellent stove! I’ve never seen one here with a little oven below the fire box. Very useful with limited electricity.
My friend has one of those fans at his cabin that I’ve spent a lot of time at.
That’s a good idea with the cooling rack, my old Mac lap top over heats too, and there is no battery life left at all, have to keep it plugged in all the time. I have a special book i use to rest it on, but will put a rack underneath. I am loving the detail in the images now that i realised you can max the view – silly mac problem most likely.
Tank envy gave me a good laugh too 😂 I straight away had to calculate in gallons to litres how much capacity Gaia has with all three tanks full, and came out around 55k litres – yikes!
I love the tropical jungle look, even with long vines hanging down from those trees, it’s incredible. It is vastly different to Tasmania, 3000k miles away south, which is more like a European climate with the four seasons and snow in winter somewhat.
I have had to tidy up my messy look for winter, and pulling down all the climbing beans and vines at ground level, partly as it all becomes a haven for rats and mice. So it’s all looking a bit more orderly and straight lines.
I have also been trying to capture the sun as much as possible, which becomes the hardest part of gardening in a small space, as in winter there is just not enough light getting in.
We have a north facing wall so I put two planks of wood running along two old oil drums that were on the property, so pots of potatoes and what ever else are sitting along there.
You can also see the down pipe going into the IBC tank along here. But in summer i might have to move it from this spot (as per your algae advice), as it will be too hot. But this is not for drinking, just watering the garden. I do hope you get your spot sorted for the tank, and that I did not lead you astray!
We are going through a ‘stalled’ weather patten atm with no rain, due the the wavy jetstream, with one to two weeks of identical dry and warm weather days, when it’s Autumn and should be cool and wet. To be expected.
Oh Renaee,
That looks so like home to me, so happy to see green and growing things soaking up the sun! Yes, every wall can be used for microclimates and vertical gardening! It’s wonderful that you have a solid brick wall to hold in the heat. Enjoy the sun and dry whilst you can, up here in the Far North, it’s been the wettest and longest wet season in a long time.
I love planks of wood (that sounds grim, like saying I love dead processed body parts of trees) which are so useful inside and out. When the shed was just my rustic shed space, I used planks on cement blocks as my shelves and bookcase, and now they’ve been upgraded into this bespoke unit for the space. The great thing about the shed is the high ceilings which make the space seem larger than the total 90m2 that it is.
Our bookcase is actually stacked two deep on some shelves, there’s that many books we just had to find space for. You know that we have 2 caravans here as sleep outs (one for my bedroom and the other as a guest space, it would have been your cozy pad!) and both are stuffed with books, too!
So I totally understand how Andrew wants to keep all his books, they are old friends!
Love to you and your family, will talk soon.
I read your Mort for Dummies again, and together with the infographic explainer above, it’s now very clear. Have you posted about this guy before? I reckon my dimmer switch has been dialed way up in the past couple of months, and I was functioning high but it took a heavy toll. I have switched into ‘functional denial’ I have to, to give myself some ease and relaxation. It’s a strange idea that you could consciously choose to control that dimmer switch, you can’t, but a new idea enters and it has an effect.
The dimmer switch idea reminded me of that quote I had about the thermostat the other day. Something that is there in the background seeking equalibrium and coherence, but not done by any body, just an independent operating mechanism beneath the surface.
Yeah, I just read that t-stat quote again and you’re right, very similar to the dimmer switch.
No, I had never heard of this dude before. I’ve watched a few of his videos. He’s obsessed with art and death. Nothing overshoot or cactus related, but that’s ok… I doubt Ligotti has ever heard the word overshoot and that doesn’t stop me from worshipping the guy.
Hey Rob, I can’t help myself from overanalyzing. Seems kinda weird that you had nothing to say about this. Makes me think there’s a juicy backstory. Do you two have a beef with each other?
I can’t see which thread this is attached to. Who are referring to?
The guy who made the video about Varki’s book, Quinn Jacobson.
ps. I love his first line, “Humans are really good at two things. Lying & denying.” LOL
Thanks, first time I’ve heard of Jacobson and I searched the comments to confirm I don’t have a failing memory.
Watching the video now.
Nice find Chris, it’s rare to find anyone discussing MORT.
He thinks MORT says that evolution softened our awareness of reality just enough to stay functional.
That’s not what MORT says. And that’s not what we observe every day in the people around us.
MORT says we evolved an extended theory of mind simultaneous with denial of mortality, and a side effect of how evolution implemented this is that we tend to deny all unpleasant realities.
There’s no “softening” of death by our belief in gods. All religions are certain we continue on after death despite zero evidence. How is that possible? Seriously.
He says MORT is not about denying facts. That’s bullshit.
99.9% of people flat out deny overshoot and its implications regardless of their intelligence and education, and regardless of how much evidence and science you present to them.
Two months of non-stop Iran war coverage by thousands of mainstream and alternative journalists and NOT A SINGLE ONE one discussed the obvious connection with energy depletion and overshoot. How is that possible? Seriously.
There’s a least 4 dangerous flaws in mRNA technology that are obvious and no one discusses them. How is that possible? Seriously.
Alright!! Now we’re talkin. This is the type of reply I was hoping to see on Friday when I posted it.
I just watched it again to see why you’re being harsh. LOL. I like everything he said. I think he’s just tying in his Becker and TMT knowledge. But I get it, you’re getting technical on him, rightly so, cuz MORT’s your baby. I’d do the same if I heard someone butchering the cooking hypothesis.
But I’m a little confused on this, “There’s no “softening” of death by our belief in gods. All religions are certain we continue on after death despite zero evidence.”
Seems like ‘softening’ is exactly what’s going on there. No?
Sorry for the delay, when I’m building a new computer system everything else in my life stops.
My point was that he implies denial is a soft mechanism that fuzzifies our view of the world and I think that’s not what happens. People don’t sign up for religions that say death is a mysterious process and you may or may not go to heaven.
No one goes untouched from this war.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-american-energy-independence
The United States has been a net energy exporter since 2019, meaning that it has been selling more energy abroad (in terms of Btu) than it imported for more than six years now. However, that doesn’t mean that the US has become import independent—quite to the contrary. In 2024, for example, America produced 13.2 million barrels of oil a day1 on average and imported an additional 6.6 million barrels on top. At the same time only 4.1 million barrels a day were exported. In strict barrel to barrel terms the US was a net importer of crude oil in 2024, and still is to this very day. However, with the arrival of an armada of tankers to US shores in April-May, this is about to change… To the detriment of all US citizens. Say goodbye to moderate price increases (compared to the rest of the world) and also to US strategic petroleum reserves. America is about to be sold out.
The site seems much quiter today than usual.
eye of the storm Stellar
I purchased a used laptop to replace my 10 year old laptop with a failing display that parts are no longer available for and I’m up to my neck in day 2 of a 4 x 12 hour day process to rebuild my system.
I have a very complex computer system.
Oh dear, that does sound like a doozy. We know you are up for the challenge, and probably even enjoy the process. Your computer system is like a mirror of your own brain, complex, logical, totally organised CPUs of rare ability!
Thank you for housing the sum total of un-denial in your computer’s memory somewhere, we live as a singularity because of your motherboard! Now that is a thought which could be explored in more depth! (but not by me, my brain is full and defragging)
Here’s an encouragement hug, no pressure to find a way to give our consciousness immortality before it’s too late.
Thanks Gaia, I finished it last night and am pleased with result.
I’m very fussy about computers and do not like the design of most new laptops. I want two big drives so I can configure my laptop to exactly replicate all apps and data (except media files like music and video) on my desktop system.
That way when CACTUS forces me to move on short notice I can grab my laptop and a pelican type case containing my backup drives with music and video and bugout without losing anything.
I had a very nice laptop that I purchased 10 years ago but the display is failing. It’s easy to repair but the part is not available because I bought the uncommon high end 4K display with touch screen option. Note to self, don’t buy uncommon configurations of products if you want any hope of repairing them in the future.
My new laptop is an Asus TUF Gaming A14. It has a rare second slot which permits two M.2 SSD drives to be installed. It came from the factory with one 1TB drive (which is already twice the size of most common laptops) and the owner, who is also fussy about computers, added a second 2TB drive.
In case you haven’t checked lately, thanks to the AI bubble, big drives (both HDD and SSD) are unavailable or are priced at eye watering levels so buying used drives is a thing now.
Another feature that is important to me is long battery life. Unfortunately most high end laptops come with power hungry GPUs which I don’t need because I don’t do games. This laptop has a very nice feature that allows me to turn off the GPU and to throttle the CPU so the fans don’t run to extend battery life.
Finally, I’m fussy about displays and want a higher than normal resolution and this laptop had the 2560×1600 resolution I wanted.
The owner bought the system for use at university which he quit after 6 months and so had no use for the laptop.
I bought a near new system with exactly the rare features I wanted at less than 50% of the price required to buy new.
The gods were smiling at me this week.
My dear Rob,
I have to admit that my eyes glazed over trying to read and comprehend what you wrote about your computer system. That must be what you go through whenever confronted with poetry or other woo. But, out of respect for you and doing the right thing in showing interest in friends’ interests, I read your explanation twice and now I really appreciate all the more what a herculean task you completed, and can rightfully boast of your achievement, well done!
Consider me like a loyal dog smiling and wagging my tail but hearing blah, blah, blah. I am happy and excited just knowing that you are happy and excited with the outcome.
I’ve got the cheapest Dell laptop that just gets me on the internet and email, which is about all I can manage anyway. My main adaptation to my “system” is placing the computer on top of a baking cooling rack as Dells tend to get very hot and I’m afraid of it overheating. I don’t think it’s possible to be more diametrically different between our set-ups!
I will need a tutorial on how to downsize photos using the Irfanview that you suggested, I installed that but it doesn’t seem to connect with my photo file? Then I will be able to shoot through more photos of our place, otherwise they will be uploaded one by one, which I am still happy to do, resuming my show and tell slide shoe with this one.
This is our blue shed in Far North QLD that has undergone a radical transformation on the inside, but as you can see, still looks very much shed-like on the outside. Note our newly installed solar panels, there are 22 in total for a 10kw system. The Hills Hoist (an Aussie icon) has pride of place and you can also see one of our two containers which creates a space for potting up and also hanging wall planters. Next to the shed is our shade nursery area where I grow on plants or keep mother plants going to propagate from. The water tank is 5000 gallons and we actually have three of them on the property–I view water storage like Rob views computer memory!
If anyone is interested, I will continue to share a photo here and there of our homestead with some commentary as I can.
Namaste, friends.
here’s the nursery area and water tank
So wonderful to these photos – keep them coming 🙂
I have just discovered that you can click these images and see them extra large – so I got to see way more detail and it’s just incredible!
I am not sure if everyone else can see it like this. It appears that there is a thumbnail image, and then a really large original image.
Yes, the photos are a feature of the new commenting system I switched over to a while ago.
I never held the vote to go back the old system that I promised because the changes I made to options people hated seem to have addressed the concerns (I hope).
You may have mis-understood.
You click once on the inline image, then you get a larger one pop up, but then you right click that larger image again, and you see the very large original one. I was just wondering if others realised that? Maybe you already did, as you saw a lot of detail?
I did misunderstand you but I see something different on my Windows browser.
When I left click the thumbnail it opens the high res original version.
Wow! I’m very impressed Gaia. The trees and plants on your property are beautiful. I can see everything you’ve built is practical and durable. No useless fluff. I like the metal roof.
I’m curious why you have the hot water tank outside against the house and what the gray box is attached to it?
Your big water tank is going to make Chris envious!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hills_Hoist
I’ll send you an email with a link that if you prefer you can upload photos to my server and I will resize and arrange them into a slide show.
Good morning Rob and stalwart crew–yes, Gaia’s garden and surrounds is not for the fainthearted! I am actually a very neat and tidy person with a fair amount of organisational skills but nature always wins and for the outside, I have to keep things practical and manageable seeing as we have 3 acres to wrangle (or to have wrangle us!)
The shed walls and roof are totally maintenance free being clad with corrugated iron trademarked here as Colorbond, and the construction with wide spans and knee joints makes it very sturdy indeed, the structure has gone through a sizable cyclone (Yasi back in 2011) and because we are in a hollow, you can tell by the elevation, we are pretty protected from winds. The bamboo help with breaking up the south easterly weather, too. Our block has a continual western slope all the way to the creek, yes we are so lucky to have a creek, all will be revealed in time! I will share some inside photos which you may not believe was once a three bay shed.
Rob, the hot water cylinder is part of the solar hot water set-up, the next photo which shows the tube array on the verandah side roof. Amazingly efficient hot water with the evacuated tubes that indirectly heat the water which has a small circulation pump (solar panel run) to cycle it. The grey box is not attached to the hot water cylinder, that’s a 30m retractable hose housing mounted on the shed wall. I will now try to explain my water catchment and delivery system which I am very proud of as that was one of the first things I set up on this property 11 years ago, knowing that reliable running water is the source of all life and comfort. Because our property is on a slope, we have some elevation on the top end that provides enough head to have gravity fed water to the shed, so we built a rain water catchment roof and set up another 5000 gallon tank which provides all the house water, purely by gravity with the pipes buried. The pressure is enough that it even pushes the water through the hot water system and we even have respectable flow for the shower (it’s not a power shower by any means, but perfectly adequate, and the luxury of almost limitless hot water on a sunny day is just too good). The rain roof keeps our main stack of firewood undercover, we have another smaller wood rack near the shed for convenience.
Boy, this is going to be one long tour if I am going to try to explain our place photo by photo, but you have all been so patient and I am just so pleased that you would be interested in what we’ve tried to do here, it’s a delight to be able to share Gaia-style!
More explanatory commentary once I’ve attached the actual pic, I know some of you extra sticky beaks will want to know. The white box is a tumble dryer which I was finally convinced of getting (my preference is of course sun drying clothes) but my builder pointed out to me that with our solar battery system, drying by our own electricity is also in a way sun-powered! And it’s been a godsend really as we are very wet up here sometimes for weeks on end and it’s nice to be able to at least have the ability to finish off clothes that are nearly but not quite dry. I have a large chest freezer and extra fridge (mainly for cold drinks and seed storage) also in this verandah area, it’s very much an extension of the working area and because of all our fruit we really do need the freezer capacity to store them. The work bench is really useful, all kinds of garden stuff gets stashed underneath and laundry baskets, etc… Right now it is my seed starting station (not pictured) being protected undercover. The “tile” effect on the chest freezer and side of bench are just stickers, a bit of fun and colour. The red bucket with lid is for pee, we try to save every drop as precious fertiliser, urea is in scarcity but every one of us has our built in factory! Ooof, for those of you still reading this, I hope I haven’t bored you stiff. Thank you so much for your interest.
This is the next best thing I can do to welcome you all to our place. It’s really my honour and delight to be able to have this opportunity to share.
Love and namaste, friends.
This is the rain collecting roof and tank at the top of the property, providing gravity water to the shed house.
Keen eyes may notice I’ve mounted a swing–Gaia has always loved swings and the weightlessness feeling. The overflow from this tank goes into our dam, which is seasonal and leaks but it still keeps the water percolating through the property which is a primary principle of permaculture.
Keep the Gaia commune tour going. Absolutely loving it!
But I gotta admit, you’re doing some major damage to the ego of my survival drive. He’s feeling very inadequate right now.😊
I didn’t notice this long comment thread until now.
Anyways, congratulations Gaia.
Thank you so much Stellar for your warm wishes, but I don’t really feel like I deserve any particular commendation because this is the life I have chosen and I was very fortunate that I was able to pursue it in this way, with a lot of help and support from so many people. I am a product of situation and circumstance as much as self-directed choices and I am very grateful for all the opportunities I had. My current lifestyle is such a different one than the one that I was born into, that of growing up in suburbia in middle America, Chicagoland no less.
Where one was born, to whom one was born, and the era one was born–these three things determine so much of how life unfolds. And we can choose none of it, so no wonder it is really Fate.
Sending you and your family all the best going forward. Consider yourself a guest at our place here, anytime.
Namaste young and bright friend.
Amazing Gaia!
You should very proud of your accomplishment. Looks to me like you focused on all the right things.
I love your water system and that you have a useful outdoor covered work area attached to the house for processing food.
I have started a new job. My husband had a surgery and I have been helping him. Plus busy with family stuff. I feel like we are entering a new stage in the collapse process. I’m really interested in seeing some new thinking and new analysis from the doomersphere
Thanks for stopping by to say hello. Good luck with your new job and your patient.
Hideaway’s CACTUS is the only significant new idea in the doomersphere since Dr. Varki’s MORT emerged about 10 years ago, and every single famous overshoot person ignores CACTUS (as they also ignored MORT).
They aren’t even polite enough to acknowledge CACTUS and MORT exist, let alone explain why they think they are wrong.
How is this possible? Seriously.
The evidence is overwhelming that MORT is correct. The logic is overwhelming that CACTUS will prove to be correct.
Is it possible that un-Denial is the only place on the planet that people with genuinely defective denial genes hang out?
Monk, what type of new thinking are you wishing to see?
I want more analysis on what is actually happening to our global systems, through a cactus lens. Similar to Alex’s radio echoshock updates for climate change. And I want more depth and detail about what could happen in the next 20-30 years. I feel like we understand the fundamentals so well, but as a discipline, we are not progressing.
Soon, policymakers and government advisors will be hungry for analysis that explains why suddenly everything is falling apart. I reckon we could provide more substance on this.
There is so much stupid shit out there. Eg contracts with KPIs on reducing carbon emissions, while other KPIs tell you to increase the level of service (all with financial penalaties attached). But professionals don’t have access to analysis that tells them why this is stupid.
I’ve tried to motivate Hideaway to write more but (I think) he’s finding the topic too grim to spend more time on. Plus (I think) he thinks more information will not help and might even make things worse.
I disagree. As I’ve argued in several essays, if you want to delay collapse and extend modernity as long as possible, the ONLY viable path is widespread CACTUS awareness so, for example, public pressure and peer leader pressure can prevent suicidal nonsense like imposing trade sanctions, attacking Iran, blocking oil to China, and cutting off Russia’s energy exports.
It would be nice if you are right that our leaders will want more information but I think the evidence is clear that as limits to growth forces have become stronger our leaders are becoming more in denial, and more likely to blame other tribes for their problems.
Russia, Iran, and China have never attacked the west, yet many western leaders think they are the source of all their problems.
Leaders showed zero curiosity about the cause when debt started growing faster than the real economy. That’s a big tell that MORT dominates their behavior.
It is easy to start to doubt Cactus, when no one else at all seems to be breaking it down as has been done here. Look at this bullet point list, brought together by Dave Pollard based on his own work, plus the work of now 5 other writers from doomersphere he draws upon. Lots of red flags for all sorts of assumptions on this list. I guess that’s why a few months back, i was keen to collate something, but since this latest shake up, I feel life is too short, and it’s better to be out there enjoying what time is left. But anyway, the bullet point list of what we can supposedly expect in next few years??
This list lines up pretty closely with the type of discussion that was had at the David Holmgren talk I mentioned a couple of weeks back, now available to view. Some good points, esp re the covid type messaging that could emerge with one coherent story to justify austerities, but still so many cactus red flags for me now when I watch it.
Let me know if I’m missing something, but I don’t see anything in conflict with CACTUS on your list.
CACTUS is the collection of forces and feedback loops that will cause everyone to become poorer, and for there to be less of everything available to buy, and for modernity’s complexity to unravel towards simplicity.
The only question is how quickly will CACTUS occur?
Will it be months, years, or a few decades?
Hideaway (I think) believes it will be months. I lean to months or a few years.
Interesting response. I will give it some more thought and get back to you.
Hello there monk,
Thinking of you and your husband at this juncture, what a lot you’re going through with changes on top of changes. I hope everything is going along as smoothly as can be, although it can take a lot longer than expected to recover from surgery so I commend you both on your patience and understanding for the body’s healing process and each other.
It does feel like we’ve been sent off to some scavenger hunt or garden tour without the mud map, what do we do now and where shall we go? All I can think of is just keep doing what needs to be done every day, keep adding to the same life as I’ve always had as best as I can. My new thinking is actually now a return to old thinking, but with a certain resignation that isn’t as uncomfortable as one would think, given the circumstances. Like Renaee, I’m not sure there’s much more to analyze, and I think Hideaway does agree with this, too, bless him for helping us analyze all these years till he turned blue in the face. There are mitigating actions that can be done on many levels as Rob has so earnestly presented but I am choosing to concentrate on my little sphere with what time, energy and resources I have, and yes, I am even finally allowing myself to enjoy it (I can feel Charles’ benediction upon me!) even as I prepare myself to farewell all that I’ve known. And to consolidate this mode, or maybe to prove to myself it can be true, I am finding it soothing and uplifting to be able to share a little slice of the life I am still upholding with the un-denial family.
Now may I encourage an invitation to any and all who would like to do the same, (assuming that Rob will agree) whether in words, pictures, or both to share with us how you have created your life. It doesn’t have to be our homesteads or anything related to that, just what means the most to you (thank you Chris, for introducing your animal family to us). I think that would be most sustaining for us and give us a chance to share our respect and appreciation for all the ways we have chosen to express our lives. I am grateful to so many who have already painted in words and pictures different aspects of their lives here; I have delighted in them and it has really added to my feeling of connection.
Sending you all best wishes and thoughts for peace and joy at Bombadil.
Namaste, friend.
Good idea.
Would you like me to extract your photos and comments into a new “Gaia tour” post?
Sad they’re buried deep within hundreds of other comments but I’m happy to do whatever you prefer.
You’re too thoughtful, Rob. I think I actually like this sprinkling here and there format, otherwise I really feel that I’m taking away valuable real estate on your blog which after all, is trying to deal with the most consequential situations ever caused by humanity. It suits me to a tee to be buried deep where you least suspect, maybe I’ll be like an Easter egg surprise for someone! Here’s a bonus photo picked just for you–this is a variety of ginormous avocado that grows exceptionally well here, the tree has about 60 of these giants on it this year, not quite ready for picking yet but almost. You can gauge its size by my hand, one will do for a whole week of smashed avo toasts! This in fact is one of the smaller ones, of course the largest are near the top of the tree.
Thank you again for trying to give me more exposure but I am demure by nature (as if you can believe that!)
Great, I’ll leave your photos as is.
That’s an amazing avocado. Securing fat will be a problem for a lot of people growing their own food, but not for you.
wow that is an impressive avo! I love seeing your updates 🙂
The post says in part.
Is this as good as it gets? Are we currently witnessing the universal peak of the blob? I hope not. Nuclear fusion or something similar is the only thing I can think of that would surpass what life on this planet accomplished.
And I can imagine a few other scenarios that involve words like Higher Consciousness and stewardship. But those scenarios fall apart as soon as I apply the golden rule; All life is a slave to the MPP.
I’m still working hard in the laboratory trying to figure how to blow up this cursed goldilocks zone planet. In the meantime, we should retire the phrase noble savage myth and call it what it is – The Noble Blob Myth.
I liked most of Sarah Connor’s new essay.
(no MORT mention of course, but at least she brings up TMT)
https://www.collapse2050.com/the-planet-is-dying-but-youve-got-work-on-monday/
ps. Good background noise for this article:
The language is Punjabi, a culture located inside the borders of India and Pakistan.
The words go: “O Na Kar Maan Rupaiye Waala Ban Ban Ke Na Bage”, which roughly translates: Don’t keep on wanting money, people have loads and they’re never happy
It’s very comforting to know there’s no rush to reopen Hormuz.
“Instead they blame a tiny country of 10 million with zero resources for controlling a rich country of 300 million”
Yes, as a sheep farmer having outlived 4 sheepdogs (and am neck in neck with the 5th – we are both octogenarians), I can attest that the tail does not wag the dog. Yet, even critics of US policy who I consider accurate on other issues, are often seriously reticent to acknowledge that the real source of Zionist power over US foreign policy in West Asia lies in the US, without which the Zionist occupant in Palestine could not exist. Empowered by a supremacist master race ideology, after 80 years of terrorist ethnic cleansing against the native people of the region, it will likely be crushed as US global hegemonism fades away.
Also, the longstanding US Zionist power configuration that exerts considerable control over government, media and the economy, described independently by Mearshimer and Petras over 20 years ago, does not act alone. It enjoys a longstanding alliance of convenience with two other sources of power over US policy. One is the military/industrial/congressional complex, a racketeering operation that began after WWII created a lucrative war economy to fleece the public. The other is a US imperial project that began over a century ago but accelerated with the creation of the CIA as agent of international capital. Each power in this tripartite alliance has its own agenda, but they often make common cause, each reinforcing and amplifying the influence of the others, most obviously in regard to US foreign policy in the Mideast. I think the phrase “deep state” is best used to identify this alliance.
Alright folks what do you think of this? Chris Martenson said a week ago that oil prices were going to take off in another week. Martin Armstrong said on Tuesday that oil prices were going to take off in the next day or two. Pretty deep dive on the physical/paper situation. Its not okay to shoot the messenger.
Thanks, good description of how the government is manipulating the oil price down to make the Hormuz closure appear less serious than it is.
The phrases and tone he uses suggests he’s reading from a script written by an AI.
The experts that he lists seem to be real experts. A comment lead to the following. Few are figuring this into their restart timing. Used to go swimming in the water off the coast of Dhahran. Very hot and very salty
Impact of 3 Months at Anchor
Ships at anchor are more susceptible to biofouling than those underway because barnacle larvae attach more easily to stationary hulls. Scout Boats
So many CACTUS feedback loops!
This is a good video summary of the effects of one cyclone/typhoon/hurricane on a region’s infrastructure. Look at the scale and the costs. Now imagine what happens in the future when we have a storm, and we don’t have diesel-powered machinery to repair and rebuild. Then imagine that at scale happening to multiple regions across mutliple countries.
This is one way climate change and fossil fuel depletion will dovetail. Many places will not be rebuilt after hurricanes.
I expect that climate change and fossil fuel depletion will dovetail disastrously either this summer or next in the Western U.S.. With a Super El Nino probably on tap and a lack of diesel/aviation fuel or an expense government can’t affore or even a breakdown in local/national government, forest fires will consume vast areas. One of my great fears for all of the norther hemisphere summer.
AJ
I found out that where I live in NZ, we will get colder and drier winters during El Niño. Weird ae? The last few years under La Niña, we have had warm, wet winters and little snow. We have already had a massive dump of snow on our mountains, and we are only mid-autumn. Meanwhile, the northern hemisphere has to worry about extreme heat and wildfires. The climate is so complex!
When will we know if it is officially a super El Niño?
An example of this that happened before peak oil: The Lower 9th Ward in New Orleans. That neighborhood bore the brunt of Hurricane Katrina and never fully recovered. Today it still has only 1/3rd of the population it had before the hurricane.
Any thoughts on The Sulfur Trap?
My knowledge comes from reading essays like the interesting link you posted so I have nothing to add other than I expect it’s a big deal that will take some time to become visible, and then will take a longer time to resolve when Hormuz reopens.
Hideaway has some first hand mining knowledge so probably has more useful things to say.
A new one from Lyle Lewis. George Carlin would’ve liked this piece.
https://lylel.substack.com/p/net-zero-net-reality
The motivation for the satire piece came from a guest on Katherine Hayhoe’s podcast. The satire isn’t far removed from their thinking.
And some people call CACTUS the Great Simplification. 🙂
Emotional intelligence? Are climate advocates jumping the shark? They’re becoming energy blind. Thermodynamics is an immutable, empirical reality, governing the flow of energy and the inevitable increase of entropy, acting as the fundamental constraints on everything from biological life to the expansion of the universe. It operates independently of theory, serving as a description of how systems change their states through energy transfer.
I’m a lurker mainly, thanks for hosting and all the comments.
I never answered your question, but as far as I know, Chris Clugson’s (recent) work is only in book form. Here is a small quote from 2023 Industrialism-Our commitment to Impermanence.
“Given our anthropocentric perspective- which does not ever permit us to recognize our predicament, much less to decide as a species how best to address it-we will not transition voluntarily. We have, therefore, already made our choice-by default.
We will pull out all the stops in an increasingly desperate attempt to perpetuate our industrial existence, until Nature’s Squeeze causes industrial humanity to crack-and human industrialism to collapse.”
Mark
Chris Clugson “… already made our choice-by default.”
A default is the absence of a decision (or choice). His sentiment is somewhat valid and correct, his writing (based on a limited quote) is awful.
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Tamay Ozgokmen, today:
Jay Hanson, the deceased grandfather of all doomers, in 2008 predicted WWIII would start around now due to non-renewable resource scarcity, and would result in a quick end to modernity, although he didn’t understand CACTUS or MORT.
https://un-denial.com/2018/03/26/by-jay-hanson-reality-report-interview-november-3-2008/
Controlling the oil is only one of the US objectives. The other main one is denial of oil to China, to force China to liberalize its trade in various minerals it controls. And hey, while we’re at it, let’s control traffic through the Strait, too.
That’s true.
Today, US wants to use Iran’s oil as leverage to force China to sell the minerals needed by the US military to attack China when China reclaims its island from the losers of its civil war.
Tomorrow, when US fracked oil starts to fall, US wants to divert Iran oil from China to itself so the non-negotiable American way of life can be sustained.
US can control the flow of oil and can support its reserve currency by requiring Iran oil to be sold for USD, but this requires a friendly government in Tehran.
Iran wants to be independent of the US that it rightly views as satanic without morality or principles.
It’s existential for both US and Iran.
It’s existential for US leaders, capitalists, Israel firsters, but not yet for US populace (might be when the economy cracks). It is here and now existential for all people in Iran – so they are much more motivated.
AJ
”China energy mix
Coal 55%,
Oil 18% (70% import),
Nat gas 9% (40%),
Renewables ~18% ” ?
https://x.com/DavidLe76335983/status/2047108374039330978?s=20
Another way of writing this is that fossil fuels still constituted around 82% of China’s energy use and of the other 18%, solar and wind made up just 22% or just 4% of China’s total energy consumption.
That 4% is higher than most of the developed world, by around 1%, but a drop in the ocean compared to the energy used in China to build all the factories, plus operate and maintain it all..
Rob’s interpretation of the denial gene is that some time in our history humankind was so afraid of dying it created a story of life after death and a culture that grew up around that story which justified discounting everything around us and everthing in the future.
I believe rob is correct. I believe bill and tom and nate and paqnation and … are all correct. We live in a civilization which is headed for collapse and most likely termination.
My estimate is 13.4 billion will die of starvation or conflict fighting over food this century. If the human species is lucky some will be left alive living growing potatoes on their hands and knees with no path upward.
The 8 billion independent decision makers who are in the driver seat don’t know it. They think someone or something else is. So they are not going to change the trajectory.
Our existence is systems blind energy blind and let me add time blind. .
Unwinding this predicament is inhibited by a limbic brain that is the product of natural selection. It can not be any better than the residue of experience. Our culture is just another layer created by an experienced based selection process.
So the human experiment on earth, if it is not going to terminate needs an upgrade in behavior choice process that is not based on experience. (You can not learn to put on a seatbelt from an accident that kills you.) to not die in your car you have to learn to put on your seatbelt from inference not experience.
Same goes for our species on earth. But that requires a really complex mind building project (time blind books 3,4, and 5 ) and these minds have to be standard issue like limbic preferences are standard issue today.
Our civilization has a huge amount of momentum. And changing this momentum quickly is sort of like crashing a car into a brick wall. Everthing inside it breaks — think 8 billion eggs.
So can we design three projects before deminishing supports pulls the rug out from under us.
It is not hard to get the present 8 billion people to die if old age in the next 80 years. It is the not having replacements that requires a sterility virus. The virus facilitates humans exiting the planet and termination of their energy mass flows is automatic.
Can we clean up all the hazardous toxins?
Can we design, build, provision, populate, and launch lifeboat like communities total population 50 Million that will not self destruct for the time period (300 years)
That is what is needed to develop new minds that choose behavior based on inference rather than experience. It is this new cognition makes a future injury have the same value as the injury today. That is what make us feel a part of an evo system.
If you are interested the basics of this path forward these ideas are contained in time blind book 1 rapid population decline or civilization collapse and time blind book 2 civilization’s path forward. All five books are available through Amazon.
I am opening discussion groups to design — the civilization exit activities . The lifeboat civilization entrance activities. and the advancement of human cognition activities. — if you are interested contact me at alpert@skil.org
Jack
Hideaway has raised some interesting points, particularly:
How do you address unwind all of the accumulated technological complexity and the economies of scale on which that complexity relies?
Hi stellarwind let’s talk one on one call. Then we can summarize our musings for this thread. I am not proposing to unwind the technology. I am proposing to reduce the scale of global civilization that uses it to 50 million in 80 years. 913 708 2554. Face time zoom all work.
Sorry for the late reply, but I don’t feel comfortable sharing my phone number on a public forum like this. It’s not that I have reason to distrust any of the regulars here, but there are too many crazies out there, and I don’t know who might be lurking.
Hello Jack. I’m a fan. Anything I can do to help implement ‘Children of Men’ let me know. (unless it requires money or big chunks of my time)
And full disclosure; after sterilization is successful, I’m gonna sabotage the rest of the plan. But no hard feelings. LOL
Cheers,
Chris
ps. For anyone on the fence about Jack, this video is what made me start to like him. He’s funny and knows how to handle the criticism.
ps. Robs post of the video created a really long thread that I’m in the middle of enjoying right now. (btw it sucks that the likes got erased from the old stuff. Have to read everything now)
https://un-denial.com/2025/07/12/by-hideaway-eroei/comment-page-3/#comment-113409
Paqnation,
I Have a thousand pages summarizing the plan. in your process of sabotaging it you might want to know what it is and what comes out the other end. It might be something you might like. I can promise you the constitutency will not think and behave like us. (the 8.4 billion with all it bad bias’ and behavior, and momentum will die with the last man standing ( of old age.
no one hs to make their identity public to have a zoom video conference call between 2-5 people. We can let Rob be the connector since he is the common contact and knows our information.
Do you want to meet??
jack
alpert@skil.org
you can contact me without being public and I will not make you identity public.
Hi Jack,
There’s nothing that could get me on board. I’m anti anything to do with humans continuing on. Even if you promise me these Children of the Corn will be raised to be non-fire harnessing hunter/gatherers… I’m still against it. I don’t trust the blob. Especially blob that has opposable thumbs and an extended theory of mind.😉
But like I said, I am a fan of yours. If you’re still interested in chatting on zoom, I’m game. If yes, just reply or hit the thumbs up button on this and I’ll reach out to you on that email you provided.
Chris
I like your plan to preserve civilization. It would be great if we could save some parts of healthcare. Palliative care, anesthesia for simple orthopedics etc. As a doctor I would say that’s impossible to have 8 billion people to die of old age in the 80s. If you mean old age in the 50s yes, but 80s NO. Many reasons why that’s impossible.
1. We are not built to live to 80: Olshansky JS, Carnes BA, Butler RN. If humans were built to last. Sci Am. 2001
2. Cancer is normal from the age of 50:
Making Sense of Cancer: From Its Evolutionary Origin to Its Societal Impact and the Ultimate Solution
3. Longlivity means resources use skyrocketing to infinity: Golubev AG. Commentary: Is Life Extension Today a Faustian Bargain? Front Med (Lausanne). 2018
4. Some think that we should reduce longevity first BMJ: Hensher M, Zywert K. Can healthcare adapt to a world of tightening ecological constraints? Challenges on the road to a post-growth future BMJ 2020
5. Longevity can also collapse: Sarfati M et al. Preventing a global health care systems collapse through low-tech medicine. J Glob Health. 2024
6. Supporting people in old age means a ever increasing population. Why is there a massive import of immigrants to fill nursing homes etc?
Hi huldleaki
My plan for the lifeboat transition community keeps all the tech and services. However, reduction in scale (fixed 50 million global population) (fixed finite energy source hydro, fixed material base ( no mining or drilling) fix ownership of mass ( next hundred generations who only lease mass to the lifeboat members. Etc etc. see a more robust ( but incomplete set of ) design specifications that are expected to be some of the guide rails that keep our limbic preferences from destroying the life boats until universal cognitive upgrades are in place 2300. See video. https://share.evernote.com/note/3177a1fe-3e0c-484f-9a4b-92eee1acffec
I do like your plan, but based on evidence I do think it is somewhat ambitious to assume a life expectancy of 80. You might want to consider using a more conservative estimate for possible lifeexpectancy.
Jack, I’d personally love your plan to be able to work, but I don’t see any evidence of it being possible.
For instance, to keep modern technology, you need to keep replacing silicon chips as they age, which they all will over the next 50 years. We have zero processes to make new ones without using new high purity silicon made into wafers inside furnaces that use coke, coal, charcoal and sometimes wood chips, but we can’t use just charcoal and woodchips to do the same.
So where does the new coke and coal come from without mining??
In reality most recycling is actually downcycling, for reduced purposes. Every recycling of plastic in particular weakens the chemical bonds, so it helps to create more microplastics and is used for lower grade purposes. What happens when the existing plastics are a grade to low to make insulation for electric wires??
Even solar panel frames are not used 100% to make new solar panel frames as the built up contaminants from the older panel frames needs to be diluted with new aluminium to make them strong enough to be fit for purpose.
All the types of recycling you envisage are all possible, but not currently done as it’s uneconomic. To build multiple processes to recycle all materials to original purpose, would take a lot of extra materials and energy to do in the future. Where does any of it come from in a world of no mining or drilling, and way less energy??
Farming and feeding the remaining population as it declines crashes without mining and drilling, to the detriment of everyone in cities.
I’m with you that we collapse, by just maintaining BAU, but no-one, anywhere, has come up with a full viable plan that includes any details of how it can be avoided.
We need the full complexity of the modern world to maintain anything like current technology and complexity, yet without it agriculture along with food transport and distribution to cities, plus mining, oil, gas and coal production collapses, as we used up all the easy to get resources. This before we even consider the complexity to build the machines, that build the computers and smart phones, that all wear out and require replacing..
The reality of what’s required to maintain anything like current complexity is way more than a total population of 50m could possibly re-build, operate and maintain, especially as your plan requires MORE processes than present, all the recycling to original purity, without the mining, all before making anything..
We require the population with it’s market size and energy use to just maintain the technology and complexity we have. It’s a catch 22 dilemma or predicament..
It’s our stories and ideas of the fantastical, that we keep telling ourselves, that have multiplied way beyond anything possible, as allowed by the laws of thermodynamics..
I get it, reality hurts, everyone is looking for answers that just don’t exist..
Hideaway,
Your reservations are correct. We are going to have to be very clever to slip some technologies through the bottleneck.
For example wearhouseing stocks in the life boats created by the exiting civilization to cover the inefficiencies of recycling.
You would be great to have in the team. Catton and Pimentel would have welcomed you.
Can we stop pitching rocks over the wall and just speak to one another. We have a few years to figure out a path.
Was curious how many nuclear warheads Israel has. Laughed my ass off when I saw the breakdown of the 9 countries that have them.
Probably not new info for you guys, but worth a reminder. From least to most:
North Korea – 50
Israel – 90
Pakistan – 170
India – 180
UK – 225
France – 290
China – 600
USA – 5277
Russia – 5459
Hey, finally a category where US is not #1.
Got the info here.
https://www.icanw.org/nuclear_arsenals
Some people believe Israel has 300-400.
I corrected my error in the essay above.
I was surprised to see France on that list. And where’s Germany? Surely they have some.
Would be funny if we could get a real audit on this stuff. And it turns out like 170 countries have nukes. Haha!!
In addition:
After watching US respect North Korea and abuse Iran, Syria, Iraq, Venezuela, etc., a lot of countries will be seeking to get them now.
Thank you US for bringing peace to the world.
Yes, it’s incredible.
That right there is the problem with most of these advanced doomers. By not seeing it as genetic, you are most likely never gonna give denial its proper weight. And you’re also giving yourself an escape plan… a different culture and we humans wouldn’t have this extreme tendency to deny unpleasant realities.😂
Three other advanced doomers published new essay’s today. Nate Hagens, Tom Murphy, and William Rees. And they’re all in the same boat re denial.
Rob already perfectly touched on Nate:
Rees dresses it up with fancy words, but I think he’s saying the same thing as Itsovershoot:
And Murphy’s understanding of denial seems ok at first glance. But probe him out a little bit and I guarantee he thinks denial is a big deal only because of the path we went down 10kya:
ps. And just for the fun of it, I gotta pick on Rees for this absolutely horrible paragraph. For a second there I thought I was reading George Tsakraklides:
I think you missed that Bill Rees may apparently offer options but he knows those options are impossible. At least that’s the impression I get from his replies, as well as the full post itself.
Nice summary.
I’d add, none of them think it is TOTALLY WEIRD that only one animal on this planet believes in gods (aka life after death), and that same animal is smart enough to fly to the moon, but is incapable of understanding its own obvious overshoot.
Is this the article from William Rees that you’re talking about?
https://reeswilliame.substack.com/p/mything-out-on-sustainable-development
I think the denial gene skeptics are forgetting that like any other gene expression, it varies through the population. Some genes, say for eye color, vary a lot, but are not as essential to individual or species survival.
Other genes are much less varied if they promote survival success. Where it gets interesting is when group genetic expression adds another layer of reproductive fitness challenge. As an example, a little tendency toward autism might be good to enable persistent focus in crafting technology ( weaving, flint knapping, calculus, etc.) in a group setting. Too much, and that group dies out.
Similarly, the denial gene makes for group persistence to keep plugging on in the face of long odds instead of throwing in the towel since we all die anyway. This would be a gene expression where more is better. Those who hang out here are maybe statistical tails on the distribution bell curve.
So denial awareness is NOT an argument that it does not exist.
(BTW, I still think there may be a better of more complete explanation for behavior explained by MORT, but for now, it’s a good working hypothesis)
I must be dense. I’ve never heard the argument that denial awareness proves MORT is wrong.
I think the dozen or so of us that understand MORT and CACTUS, out of the 8 billion people that don’t, have defective denial genes.
Ten thousand years ago we mutants would have been killed by our tribes for questioning the existence of god, or refusing to join high risk projects. Today we hang out in a tiny fringe blog.
I also have to wear eyeglasses and I have a mole on my chin.
The reason I tend to agree with you on this being genetic is that I see defective denial genes in my family. Plus, atheism runs in my family, even when family members grow up in highly religious environments, we have born-again atheists popping up through the generations.
For me, the most persuasive evidence that denial is genetic is that every tribe of behaviorally modern humans, from when the species first evolved about 200,000 years ago until today, in every geographic location on the planet, believes in some form of god, and the only common denominator between the thousands of gods is that they all promise life after death, and no other species believes in gods.
How do you know no other species believes in gods? LOL, don’t you hate that reply. Best to disengage asap cuz you’re likely dealing with someone that rejects human exceptionalism. Which means they haven’t peeled back enough denial layers yet to grasp that all species in the history of the universe that have invented a concept of God, share something exceptionally unique… they cook their food. The only life form in their solar system (and most likely galaxy) that does this.
[A] The ‘real’ existential poly-crisis embraces :
• over population :
• climate change
• resource depletion (fish, fresh water, top soil, pollinators, oil, ores …)
• unemployment / homeless (housing bubble) / drugs
• and many more
[B] Those are repeatedly sidelined by distractions :
• The plan-demic
• Epstein / Woke Crap / Trans-Issues / Immigration
• Developments in the Middle East
• The ([hopefully] end of the) petro-dollar
• Staggering debt / inflation (domestic & exported)
60% of the U.S. has a reading level of a 12 year old. Greater than 90% have almost zero understanding of both [A] and [B] above. They are programmed by advertising and mainstream media to be preoccupied by the minutia of modern life – making ends meet, health care and their families. They believe they are represented in government. The failures are legion.
The shit is now hitting the fan. When it hits home, the retards will continue to lack understanding and will seek to blame anyone else. Brace for impact.
Nicole Foss is slowly finding her legs but mostly comments on the news. I hope she gets back to the original analysis she was famous for years ago.
https://www.foss.blog/2026/04/21/trump-considers-using-nuclear-weapons-and-is-told-no/
Nate Hagens explains that we are energy blind.
Blind is a word that is used instead of denial when the author does not want to acknowledge that behaviorally modern humans exist because they evolved an extended theory of mind simultaneous with a tendency to deny unpleasant realities.
Blind is a word that implies awareness can be achieved with more education.
50 years of experience proves more education will not help.
https://natehagens.substack.com/p/essay-oil-101-what-you-actually-need
Won’t you agree that our convictions about what is true evolves during life, when confronted to actual events?
If I told you telepathy exists, what would you think of it?
Would you think I have lost my mind, that I am deluding myself? Or would you consider the possibility that you may be blind (simply unaware) about some things? Or would you conclude that you don’t have “defective genes” after all, and you may be in denial about some things?
I really like this reply = contribution to the ongoing debate round god and denial. telepathy is one example of many that were know and written about starting, to the best of my knowledge, with Patanjali 4000 yrs ago. And in modern times the evidence I like the best derives from dream research a la Robert Waggoner and others. Lucid dreamers report and confirm in independent ways that there is an ‘X factor’ that shows up in dreams that adds content, sorts problems, is creative. The other factors that one can deliberately improve are focus, intent, will and (very important in this conversational context) belief and expectation. All these are trainable to various degrees depending on the person. See Waggoner’s “Lucid Dreaming, Gateway to the Inner Self”.
Also, Institute of Noetic Science is a source for aspects of human consciousness that modernity mostly denies and ignores.
Thank you.
And thank you for the references.
I like this body of work: https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/.
Iran refused to participate in this round of fake negotiations with a country that was incapable of respecting its ceasefire agreement for even one day.