By Neil Halloran: A Skeptical Look at Climate Science

I haven’t had time to write a new essay, and I wanted a new post so newcomers don’t assume un-Denial.com has shifted its focus to Covid, which is a confusing space populated by crazy people assigning complex global conspiracies to a bunch of incompetent and sometimes corrupt leaders.

Thank you to reader Frank White for providing a good reason for a quick post with a new video by Neil Halloran on climate change.

It’s my first exposure to Halloran and I’m really impressed. He targets people that are skeptical of climate change and does an amazing job of leading them to conclude we are in serious trouble and must act.

I left this comment on his YouTube channel:

Brilliant content and production! This is best video I’ve seen for persuading climate change skeptics that we are in serious trouble. Thank you.

Your next step should be to address the human genetic tendency to deny unpleasant realities.

https://un-denial.com/denial-2/theory-video/

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Shawn
Shawn
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 26, 2021 1:43 pm

“and a 6.1 pp increase over the average loss rate (39.4%) over the last 10 years.”

Well, that feels like one of those moving baselines. I wonder what the winter colony loss rate was in say the 1950s?

Before the mass application of pesticides across America. “Glysophate/Roundup was introduced to the consumer market in 1974 as a broad-spectrum herbicide and quickly became one of the best-selling herbicides since 1980. In 1987, only 11 million pounds of the chemical were used on U.S. farms, but now nearly 300 million pounds of glyphosate are applied each year. Feb 2, 2016”

And before most of the 1C+ global average temperature warming occurred circa from 1975. 1C+ warming is 1.9C warming over the continents. With that, over the continents you get significant changes: higher high temperatures, higher low temperatures, with changes in dew points, migration of habitation zones for plants (upon which insects live), changes in weather patterns (due to reduced strength of polar vortex/jet streams, ocean circulation patterns, etc.), probably changes in ground level UV radiation for atmospheric ozone loss (due to warming and atmosphere changes), etc. etc. All to fast for animals and plants to adapt.

Ok, I suppose a few folks will say I am wearing my tin foil hat with this possible contributing factor. But note, our wireless communication world did not really get going in mass until the early 1980s. Wide spread global cellular coverage not till the 1990’s? Cellular Network coverage has become ubiquitous only in last 10-15 years….roll outs correlate somewhat with insect declines? Cell Tower/microwave range – radiation – from 20 and up to ~45 miles from tower/station. Coverage range varies by technology. A significant percentage of the world is now blanketed in coverage from cell towers, cell sites, cellular base stations, etc. Per Wikipedia, there are 2,134 communications satellites in Earth’s orbit.

There are a dozen other environmental stressors I could list that could be contributing to insect declines. Light pollution, extreme ecosystem fragmentation, road networks and vehicle traffic, pollution from multiple sources, ground level ozone from combustion engine activity, loss of natural biomass and the a reduction of the natural web of life, etc. etc.

The integrity of the habitable-for-life-zone of our spaceship earth has been compromised and possibly ruptured. Only a small? percentage of we humans could now survive in that life zone without the use of fossil fuels to prop up our supply of water and food.

Martin
Martin
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 27, 2021 4:34 am

The “toxic load” of current-use pesticides has increased considerably, so it is quite clear where some part of the stress/impact comes from. Here is the study, published in Science, that shows the data and the impacts: “Applied pesticide toxicity shifts toward plants and invertebrates, even in GM crops” Science 02 Apr 2021: Vol. 372, Issue 6537, pp. 81-84, DOI: 10.1126/science.abe1148, https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6537/81.

We know where the impacts come from, not just for this one, but for many others as well. This is not about a lack of knowledge – not at all. Willful ignorance and denial, again and again.

gwb
gwb
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 25, 2021 9:43 am

We can’t get away from slaves even with solar panels. The Biden administration just banned imports of polysilicon solar-panel wafers from a Chinese company due to allegations of forced labor in Xinjiang. Turns out, that 45% of all solar-panel polysilicon is manufactured in Xinjiang – presumably from forced labor. This means that the cost of solar is going up. https://www.reuters.com/business/us-restricts-exports-5-chinese-firms-over-rights-violations-2021-06-23/

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 24, 2021 6:23 pm

Tim Morgan in a reply to a comment to this article:

“As a general proposition, there’s a limit to how much self-sufficiency is achievable in complex societies. This is why I’m not a ‘survivalist’ or a ‘prepper’. We really are “all in this together”, and ‘best outcomes’ require that we persuade decision-makers to act wisely, on the basis of reality.”

This is one of the wisest, most intelligent bits of written thought I’ve ever read.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 25, 2021 3:20 am

Sorry Rob,
I think you’re denying the reality that our leaders will deny reality up until the bitter end (i.e. the collapse of civilization and all our deaths). They (our leaders and the 1% who have everything invested in BAU) will keep on doing what they are currently doing because that is what denial is – blindness. Maybe you are just a little too optimistic? (and I know I am too pessimistic!).
AJ

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 25, 2021 1:29 pm

You’re most likely right, but my fear is that they will deny reality until we are all dead.

On a side note – You recommended Nick Lane’s books.
I have just finished reading Life Ascending and I highly recommend it to anyone with an interest in Science. In this book, he goes over the 10 great inventions of evolution. Each of the chapters could be an argument for why we appear to be alone in the universe (all inventions could answer the Fermi paradox).
I thought all the chapters were excellent, but the on Consciousness was probably the best overall explanation of human consciousness that I have EVER read. I have reread the chapter twice and will continue to read it again and again. It is both profound and probably as close to correct as neuroscience (and he references most of the cutting edge research) can come at the moment to explaining why we (and animals) think and are aware. Sorry no soul, we are just chemistry in a meat package made by evolution.
I wonder if he is denial aware. It would be great to get him together with yourself or Dr. Varki to discuss MORT.
Thanks again.
AJ

Martin
Martin
June 23, 2021 6:24 am

Corona cases are increasing in Israel now. They say this is caused by the Delta variant.

madbobul
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 23, 2021 9:48 am

Just today I’ve read an interview with one of “famous” economist from “new ecological economy” school.
He mentioned energy once – “there is plenty of energy in the universe, just waiting to be used” :).
It is like throwing somebody into deep water and repeating: “just breath! there is plenty of oxygen in the water!” :).

They really don’t have a clue…

moniquemilne
June 22, 2021 4:43 pm

Does anyone remember between 2014 and 2016 when Guy McPhearson was telling people we’d all be dead in 10 years? He hasn’t got long left for that prediction LOL

Shawn
Shawn
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 21, 2021 2:14 pm

Hi Rob

Thanks for continuing to provide interesting and relevant links on COVID, and of course the usual topics.

Regarding Bossches’s thesis…I ask, with no expertise in virology…

Is there any limit to how virulent this SARs virus could become under evolutionary pressure? If yes, perhaps there is still an acceptable risk-benefit trade-off from mass vaccination, particularly if there are long term effects of COVID a significant percentage of people who get infected?

Can the wide-spread use of anti-virals like Ivermection also put evolutionary pressure on the virus? Could this be the case even if the anti-virals are used in only severe cases, considering the large number of severe cases that would eventually occur in 8Billion people even if the severe case rate is only 1-2%?

Has the reduced infection rate in countries like the U.S. been more about the vaccination campaign, or natural immunity after infection, a waning of the viruses virulence? It appears – so far – that the vaccination campaign in the U.S. and some other countries has been successful. I am unclear of how Bossche would respond to that….I think he would say fine for the U.S., but without co-temporaneous vaccination of 8 billion people, new variants will spread and we will play whack-a-mole with vaccines and virus for years ahead?

But aren’t we always in some kind of evolutionary race with virus and bacteria (diminishing effectiveness of anti-biotics) unless we allow our species immune systems to address the viruses and bacteria, and change over time through death and survival?

Finally, more of a statement, but I continue to think no one has a “model” of how this virus will move through a highly mobile global population of 8Billion people. And from that model what are the best choices for minimum amount of harm. Maybe such a model is beyond our capacity to make in a short time period. Or at all, given it might present the kind of decisions that have to be made by battlefield generals, or farmers with their herds.

Shawn
Shawn
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 22, 2021 6:53 am

Thanks Rob. A further note…

I found this video last night… “Natural immunity key in US” – YouTube Dr. John Campbell. Some interesting take aways…even if numbers are only ballpark estimates…

On March 21st 2021 the Seroprevalence in donated blood in the U.S. was 49.1%, when only 13.7% of the Over 16 were vaccinated. So herd immunity was rising rapidly without the vaccine…

as of 21 March https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-trac… Deaths were 550,559. The estimated 162,000,000 Infection fatality rate by March 21, so the fatality rate is 0.4% (0.33985). From my memory, the fatality rate from the yearly seasonal flu (different every year) is about 0.15%.

BUT….this COVID 19 fatality rate was only kept this low because we shut down significant part so of the economy, so that the 2,255,380 hospitalizations were be spread out over a year or so rather than occur in some much shorter period of time. So COVID-19 ended up at 3X the seasonal flu, but only so because we shutdown travel, instituted wide-spread masking, social distancing, plexiglass installed everywhere, etc. etc.

Dr. John Campbell wonders/estimates that perhaps another a million of the 2,225,380 hospitalizations might have been deaths without economic shutdown, as the hospitals would not have been able to handle to load.

So, without the economic shutdown, the fatality rate of Sars-cov-2 would have been much higher than the seasonal flu. Maybe 9x?

Other questions: What would the death rate have been if we had instituted the use of Ivermectin etc. early in hospitalization, or even as a general prophylactic.

Lots of counterfactuals to deal, with, but still interesting to ponder.

A final note. The consensus is growing that Sars-cov-2 results in a vascular disease. COVID-19 is a vascular disease not a respiratory one, says study | Euronews. I don’t know my experience supports that idea, but when I was symptomatic with COVID19 last October, I experienced an increase in my blood pressure. (Also loss of smell). These sort of changes have never happened to me with the seasonal flu. COVID19 felt very real, and weird.

Hopefully my grey matter is still largely intact, but as it now seems COVID19 can affect the decrease brain tissue, please let me know if the quality of my comments to your site starts to diminish. 🙂
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/study-suggests-covid-19-harms-parts-of-the-brain-even-in-mild-cases/ar-AALhq2s?ocid=uxbndlbing

Michael T.
Michael T.
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 22, 2021 9:57 am

To actually answer John R.’s question, yes, I would think that the higher power would have exerted more of an effort on changing world governments’ attitudes on human breeding.  Meadows made a beautiful effort, and any god worth its weight would have arranged human affairs differently in order to enhance his influence.  I mean, after all, it is supposedly all-powerful, according to the myth.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 21, 2021 9:51 am

Ha! He made the same point I did a few days ago: “Today these record low rates are considered an opportunity to ignore valuations and bid asset values to infinity. The value of a perpetuity over 0% is theoretically infinite according to Finance 101. Unfortunately, in the real world there is no such thing as a perpetuity. When the cycle ends, the cash flow on insolvent assets turns negative. The value of an insolvent asset at the end of the cycle is ZERO.”

Mick North
Mick North
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 20, 2021 2:32 pm

Another one bites the dust. I think it was his March 2019 blog when he finally held his hands up

I’m calling the game over. I just cannot see a solution that has humanity going on in any kind of lifestyle that we have grown accustomed to in the 21st century.

Its all about the trends and relative rates of change. Its all about the momentum. Global warming is baked into the cake at this point. Even if we were to miraculously find a way to extract and sequester CO2 from our atmosphere we still could not prevent catastrophic warming. We waited too late to react.

I’ve taken as many factors into account as I can. I’ve processed the data as best I can. I hope I am wrong in my conclusions, but so far I haven’t been (except for thinking I would be gone before all of the s**t hit the fan). Go back in the archives of this blog if you don’t believe me. I’ve called it and it is coming to pass. I’m very sorry I could not have been more effective in convincing more and more influential people that these systemic issues were coming to a head.

My advice is head for the hills.

Well he tried mightily but here we are. Hopefully James at Megacancer hasn’t gone permanently hors de combat as well.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 19, 2021 12:26 pm

Ugo Bardi (geologist) said something about asteroid mining recently (I can’t seem to find it). To paraphrase him(and probably badly) – only one a biologically and tectoniclly (sp?) active planet are minerals concentrated enough to make them economically viable to mine. Forget asteroids – SciFi delirium.
AJ

Mick North
Mick North
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 19, 2021 12:33 pm

Better than I feared – as a long time admirer of the Hossenfelder. Decades to achieve-when all we have is -well who knows? I think she has children which naturally just accentuates the optimism bias in those lacking the un-denial gene.

Mick North
Mick North
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 19, 2021 12:23 pm

And economists.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 18, 2021 1:22 pm

Thanks Rob,
I generally avoid most everything that Kunstler does now days as it is soooo partisan. But with your review I listened to the podcast and it was generally good. Your take on Martenson’s need to keep paying “members” is spot on. No discussion of population driving all of our overshoot.
Thanks,
AJ

Mandrake
Mandrake
June 16, 2021 2:59 pm

Rob,

This was new to me. “The Importance of Understanding the Nonspecific Effects of Vaccines.”

https://quillette.com/2021/06/09/the-importance-of-understanding-the-nonspecific-effects-of-vaccines/

Exerpt: “Aaby was taken aback by what occurred following mass vaccination against measles: the rate of all-cause mortality among the children dropped by far more than could be explained by the measles decline alone. Children were not only not dying from measles, but they weren’t succumbing to a number of other diseases either. In an interview at the 2019 European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Disease (ECCMID), Aaby pointed out that measles epidemiological models predict a mortality decline of 15 percent in the first 12 months. Instead, Aaby witnessed a reduction in all-cause mortality in children of more than 50 percent. Aaby had stumbled upon the NSE of a vaccine. This discovery prompted the creation of the Bandim Health Project (BHP), a health and demographic surveillance system.”

Venkataraman Amarnath
Venkataraman Amarnath
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 16, 2021 5:03 pm

My wife and I (both 72 plus) got the first dose very next day it was started and the second dose after 21 days. Since we work in a hospital, though not interacting directly with patients, we are required to take the shot and we also wanted to play safe. We had only mild reaction. It may be due to our health and physical conditioning. One may argue that a healthy person will tolerate the vaccine but also is not likely to be infected. On the other hand, an obese person with high blood pressure and sugar level will have adverse effects from the vaccine, but also face higher probability of catching the virus.
Whatever the origin of the disease and whoever makes billions of dollars, as a scientist I admire the science behind the development of the vaccine in a short time .

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Venkataraman Amarnath
June 16, 2021 8:00 pm

What’s your view of the long term studies on auto-immune disorders developing due to the covid vaccines?
What is your view on the long term studies of the effects on the female reproduction system and full term pregnancies?

Oh yeah there are none.

Which side of the debate within MIT are you on that the mRNA could potentially be reverse transcribed into DNA making insertions into our DNA. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/

Looking forward to results, we’ll talk in five years.

Rob, you may find this interesting.
https://www.aestheticsadvisor.com/2021/05/steve-kirsch-NIH-WHO-covid-treatment.html

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 16, 2021 8:58 pm

Well aren’t you generous in your summation of our leaders.
Maybe you meant a disgusting bunch of ass stinking cowering administrators.

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 16, 2021 4:25 pm

Hell yes! These folks nailed it down fucking tight here. Perfectly on point regarding gain of function research.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 17, 2021 8:42 am

Total sense. I like the WMD 2.0 comparison. Possibly bigger than that. At least only (primarily) Americans were bamboozled by WMD1.0. I think it will take international pressure for this to crack. I wonder if other EU nations might just push this who are less invested in the coverup than U.S?

Mandrake
Mandrake
June 15, 2021 4:11 pm

Roger you made my day.

madbobul
Reply to  Mandrake
June 15, 2021 10:35 pm

Great indeed 🙂 .
I closed my FB account around 2011, two or three years after I opened it.
I was not even doomer at this time (at least I was not full-scale doomer), just the stupidity and emptiness of it as a whole disguised me already then.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 17, 2021 7:50 am

I posted my thoughts on “the end” at surplus today. Dr. Tim asked “Why won’t share prices go down?”

@Dr. Tim – “Why haven’t their share prices slumped?”

I think the answer is one of the ironies of thinking in terms of valuations as compared to thinking in terms of prices. Higher valuations imply lower long term returns. So as real global returns approach zero I’d not be surprised to see prices approach infinity.

This relates to thinking of money as claims or promises.

The economy can coast in denial, believing future goods and services will exist to satisfy expanding claims to infinity until such point at which real goods and services are not available in the present. This same point coincides with the realization that money is essentially worthless in the future.

I think political decisions will determine whether it ends in a whisper or a bang. I’m personally predicting first the former, then the latter, due mainly to ignorance and social collapse preventing cooperation.

I think surplus energy reaches terminality when there is nothing to produce which is worth more than the cost of the inputs of production. To land, labor and capital we have to add energy. Labor can be shorted a long time in the face of increasing energy costs, but eventually either (a) labor will accept austerity willingly, (b) be forced to accept austerity, or (c) collapse the system through political action which could look like voting for doomed policies, or rebellion – both with the misguided notion of better tomorrows.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 17, 2021 11:08 am

Hi Rob – I think it is a bubble and do think it will pop. But it’s not a traditional bubble – It’s actually much worse. Sorry if I was obtuse. The valuation similarity is ironic to me, not claiming it’s actually causal.

There are at least two different types of “justification” in the same way there are at least two ways of looking at security values.

A stock can be priced at the discounted present value of a future stream of cash flows (in dividends). But most people think and invest in terms of price change, irrespective of traditional valuation (i.e. momentum, or price increase). Even brokers wind up talking in terms of % increase of the market cap or index. But if earnings don’t increase the price isn’t “justified” by valuations, only by speculation, or put more nicely “price movement.”

These can be looked at as two components of price

So the price could be
Pm=Pv+Ps
Pm = Market price
Pv = Price based on cash flow valuation
Ps = Price based on speculation

A traditional bubble happens when Ps becomes much larger than Pv. And the bubble pops when Pm backs down to Pv, or dips below.

I say our situation is much worse because even bears like Hussman (https://www.hussmanfunds.com/comment/mc210315/) expect that Pv (based on earnings/profits) is going to continue at historical trends. You and I probably both expect CocaCola is not going to have the same revenue, earnings or profit 20 years from now. But the “floor” markets expect in corrections is that firms will continue increasing revenues, earnings or profits into the future based on historical trends.

The markets aren’t over-valued, they are actually worthless, in that they are not going to deliver the stream of cash-flow which even a very conservative valuation would predict.

We could have another leg down first (Ps correction). That bubble will pop when people are convinced it isn’t growing anymore. The bigger bubble will pop when it is clear that, broadly speaking, most all companies will no longer be able to repay investors with future cash flows. In the same way I think hyperinflation will happen when people are convinced there won’t be more goods and services available in the future. They will only be convinced of that when it happens in the present, I believe.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  theblondbeast
June 17, 2021 11:14 am

I should have added: And corporations won’t be able to pay shareholders when it is no longer possible to produce anything which can be sold for a price above the cost of inputs.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 17, 2021 8:12 am

Long story short in my view:

Fed activities are contracting financial conditions for banks, contracting their lending and putting downward pressure on yields. His prediction is that this will put downward pressure on stock prices. I’m not sure about that part – he did not explain it. I would have thought lower bond yields would increase stock prices because high valuations imply low yields. Worth a quick read: https://www.business-standard.com/article/markets/explained-how-bond-yields-impact-stock-market-what-should-investors-do-121022600179_1.html

It would be worth asking him “Why do you think downward pressure on bond rates puts negative pressure on stock prices?”

Sometimes folks casually misspeak about prices vs. rates vs. yield in the bond world. They also misspeak about stock prices vs valuations vs returns.

But his thinking is that a selloff in stocks will lead to margin calls, create a need to raise cash, disrupt the money markets, and cause an exponential need for more QE, creating a death spiral.

My opinion is that as real returns from stocks approach zero, and bond rates approach zero, and companies become zombies, the banking system will struggle with the fact that there is no underlying collateral of any real value to take risks on. i.e. collateral becomes worthless as the system winds down.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 17, 2021 9:55 am

This is what I don’t understand: Why would increasing bond prices (lower rates) trigger a selloff in stocks? I would think it would lead to more risk taking. Unless large numbers of stock investors conclude that rates are lower for longer they are not going to selloff stocks for bonds.

Current bondholders would benefit from the higher prices, but that doesn’t mean anybody would be interested in newly printed on-the-run treasuries.

My prediction had been that if mid-term bond rates rise to compete with the average S&P Dividend would be the tipping point. That’s about 1.6%

I agree with what he says: Stock selloff into a no-bid market (high leverage, low short interest) leading to margin calls and money market problems. I just am missing this connection. Hmmm….will have to watch again!

Florian
Florian
June 14, 2021 2:42 pm

Some random observation. Our local BirdLife organization did a tour where you go watch birds in a group and there I had the time to talk to our guide who is a distinguished (retired) veterinarian and honorary head of said association. It struck me how much sense MORT made to him.

I guess ecology is a good foundation for shedding the illusion of human exceptionalism. My selection is obviously biased but many people who I introduced to MORT who weren’t immediately defensive where of that type.

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 16, 2021 3:28 pm

Have you considered imprisoning them in the basement until they see the light? Feed them old twinkies and expired prepper rations…they’d be like “yes, I was so blind…but it all makes sense now!”

gwb
gwb
June 14, 2021 2:10 pm

The megacancer.com blog run by James has been down for several weeks… Usually, it’s because he neglects to pay his ISP bill. Maybe he’s on a long vacation. I suppose we won’t know unless or until he resurfaces.

madbobul
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 14, 2021 1:38 am

So much of our good fortune is luck.

Not “so much”. Everything depends on luck. Your set of genes, your family environment, country you were born in, time you were born…

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