Is CACTUS just a clever name for old well understood ideas?

CACTUS stands for Complexity Accelerated Collapse of a Thermodynamically Unsustainable System.

It’s originator is a retired mining engineer turned reclusive prepper named Hideaway who lives on a doomstead somewhere in Australia.

In Australia, cactus is slang for something that is ruined, broken or finished.

So yes, CACTUS is a clever name.

But does CACTUS introduce any new ideas in the science of human overshoot, or does it simply recycle old ideas previously discussed by other overshoot scholars?

When Hideaway’s CACTUS theory was first introduced about a year ago we had a few drive-by shooters who were upset that we claimed CACTUS had new ideas. Unfortunately they never stayed long enough to offer any evidence.

A few un-Denial regulars have, ever so gently, so as to not offend our beloved recluse Hideaway, suggested that other overshoot intellectuals, like for example Alice Friedemann, have previously discussed CACTUS ideas, but again, no evidence was provided.

I’m as well read on overshoot science as any chemiosmotic eukaryotic multi-cellular energy dissipater with an extended theory of mind in this universe.

I think I’m aware of all the great overshoot minds, and have read some, if not most of their work.

Having said that, I’m also an oldish guy with less than perfect memory, and adequate, but not outstanding intelligence.

To the best of my recollection I do not recall anyone clearly articulating several of the most important elements of CACTUS.

I also like to think I have good integrity which means if anyone has evidence that I’m wrong and CACTUS is indeed just a clever name for old ideas, I will retract my claim and apologize.

Let’s revisit the core ideas of CACTUS which were first summarized here.

  1. Modernity requires abundant minerals and energy.
  2. The majority of minerals and energy we use are non-renewable and finite.
  3. Recycling is economically and/or technically impossible for most minerals.
  4. For those minerals that can be recycled, there are losses in the recycling process that still result in long term depletion.
  5. The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first.
  6. Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources. For example, compare modern directional drilling now required for fracking with early oil rigs. Or the giant trucks and other machines now required to haul and process low grade copper ore.
  7. Rising complexity increases the materials, processes, skills, locations, and number of people needed to design, and manufacture the technologies.
  8. Rising complexity requires a growing market to support the increasing cost of designing and manufacturing technologies. For example, a smaller population would not buy enough phones to make a TSMC factory in Taiwan viable, and therefore the advanced chips needed for oil exploration and extraction would not exist.
  9. A growing market requires a growing economy and population.
  10. A growing economy and population increases the consumption of all minerals and energy.
  11. Wastes generated by the growing economy and population create increasing frictions to further growth.
  12. This self-reinforcing complexity growth system drives an increase in mineral and energy flows until technology, markets, and population can no longer keep up with growing waste frictions and declining reserve qualities, and a critical mineral or energy becomes unavailable in the quantities required.
  13. Scarcity of the critical mineral or energy triggers a system wide technology breakdown cascade because many technologies depend on it, and many other technologies depend on those technologies, via an ultra-complex network of dependencies.
  14. The unavailability of many technologies then causes many more mineral and energy flows to become unavailable in the quantities required because the quality of remaining reserves makes extraction difficult or impossible without the latest technologies.
  15. This self-reinforcing collapse of complexity, technology, and resource flows is certain at some point in the not too distant future and will result in a supernova end to modernity and civilization.
  16. Nothing can be done to prevent this outcome, just as nothing can be done to prevent the collapse of a star.
  17. It’s not possible to have modernity without infinite growth on a finite planet which means modernity will be short lived everywhere in the universe.

This summary I wrote of CACTUS is based on collating hundreds of comments by Hideaway made at various sites over several years, and is not 100% accurate, as a few corrections from Hideaway are expected, nor is it complete, as Hideaway is working hard now to incorporate the science of super-linear systems and networks of networks into his theory.

Many of the ideas in the above 17 points are of course not new, and have been widely discussed by many people.

I claim a few of the core ideas are new, or are rarely discussed. These include:

  • Modernity requires growth in non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist, and this dependence is grounded in physics that cannot be changed. Many others discuss the dependence of growth on human behaviors like the maximum power principle, and human constructs like our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system, however no one until now has clearly stated that modernity must have growing non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist.
  • This dependence on physical growth is profound because it implies that no form of sustainable modernity is possible anywhere in the universe. It also means that all of the many overshoot aware intellectuals that promote degrowth, steady-state, circular economies, population reduction, or a great simplification as useful responses to our overshoot predicament are wrong. That includes the most famous Limits to Growth study by Dr. Dennis Meadows et. al. which claimed we needed to stop growing to be sustainable.
  • Modernity, when it emerges anywhere in the universe, will be short lived due to the previous points, and will end as a supernova. We have in the past explained this supernova behavior using a few words such as those in points 13-15 in the summary above. Hideaway has been working hard to incorporate the science of super-linearity and networks of networks to provide a more solid scientific explanation for the expected supernova collapse of modernity.
  • CACTUS explains why we have not detected any aliens, and why we should have gratitude for being alive to witness a rare and fleeting peak of what is possible in the universe.

Today in a comment Hideaway gave us a preview of the essay he is working on:

When we take all the human stories out of the equation, we are left with raw physics of our system of civilization.

All the human stories ,of money, debt, religion, patents, agreements, governments, laws, contracts, etc all just function to make us get along and trust each other enough to function as a civilization in larger groupings than we otherwise would.

Ants use pheromones to get along and co-operate, money debt, contracts, laws, governments etc are our equivalent to pheromones, just way less efficient..

Coming down to just the physics to explain what happens when limits are reached, we have to understand how civilization has scaled. The raw data shows super-linear scaling in several aspects relative to each other.

Energy use has grown exponentially relative to population (growing or stagnant), that’s super-linear scaling. Material use has grown exponentially compared to energy use, again whether growing or stagnant, which is another aspect of super-linear scaling. Materials moved (not just used, includes all wastes, overburden, strip ratios of mines, lower ore grades, etc), has grown exponentially compared to materials used, again growing or stagnant, another aspect of super-linear scaled growth. Materials moved times distance moved, is also growing exponentially compared to just materials moved, so more super-linear scaling!!

Physics and math tell us that all super-linearly scaled energy dissipative systems end, in a finite time singularity, a physics and math term, meaning fast collapse or phase change. A large star going supernova in a fraction of a second after millions of years of life, is a finite time singularity.

So what happens at this singularity? Basically there is not enough energy to do all that is required to maintain the system let alone grow it, yet any area the system tries to cut back on, feeds back immediately to cut the energy available again, shrinking the system.

This is where the network of networks science comes in. Civilization is basically a network of many different networks, all interdependent upon each other. For any business it has a network of suppliers and customers, but also uses networks of logistics, communications, electricity, water, waste removal etc. Even a household has it’s own networks and interacts with the other networks like government, roads, electricity, water. Everyone of the networks is never independent of the other networks, they are interdependent.

What the science and math of network of networks show is that when you start losing some nodes in networks, the resultant feedback can magnify the effect in other networks nodes, that that lead to a cascade of collapse of all the networks, once a critical quantity of nodes are taken out. Basically the cascade of failure becomes self reinforcing.

Think of civilization as a machine, the most complex machine you can imagine. The machine is working, but you take out a wire here, then over there, then loosen a nut here, then another one over there. At some point when you have either taken out or loosened too many things, or taken out something critical, the machine just stops running. It may do so catastrophically if the wrong wire or nut was affected.

When there is not enough energy to run our civilization, it’s the same effect as pulling out random wires or undoing nuts or bolts randomly in a giant machine; it’s taking out different nodes all over the place because there is not enough energy to keep every aspect functioning, and it’s all happening very rapidly, too rapidly to be making decisions on what gets cut.

With the super-linearly scaled growth within civilization, by the time we get to where there is not enough energy for maintenance of the system, the system has looked fine up to that point, yet the energy available for the next point in time is not enough, so things unravel randomly, especially at the fastest growing aspect of energy use, which is the movement of materials. But if those materials, including waste materials can’t be moved as much, then the availability of materials used, has to decline, because we can’t get access to them, but they are needed, to produce the energy we do produce, which makes energy use fall further, faster.

Of course we humans have all the human stories, placed on top of the physical energy and materials, so use finance, money, debt, letters of credit, contracts, laws and trading agreements. These promises to each other, increasingly can’t be met, so start to lose meaning, which breaks the physical movement even more.

Realistically all the finance, laws, contracts, trade agreements, etc are just further nodes in the network of networks that are more more fragile than we consider, especially when the physical nodes start unravelling due to lack of energy.

This is of course a lot of what I’m working on in the essay, but it’s a lot to put it all together, including the maths that shows why it all collapses quickly..

The absence of discussion and understanding of CACTUS by all of the many intellectuals who discuss overshoot issues is quite remarkable. Not one famous person has even mentioned CACTUS since it was introduced a year ago, let alone explained why they think it is wrong.

I of course think this silence is explained by Dr. Ajit Varki’s Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory, which all of the famous overshoot intellectuals have also ignored since I started discussing the profound implications of MORT over 10 years ago.

Everyday I see super smart people with high integrity saying things that are so obviously wrong that no other explanation than MORT suffices.

Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is one of my favorite and most respected physicists. I’ve read her book twice and she’s made a career of calling bullshit on scientific nonsense like string theory. Yet her ignorance of CACTUS and what is physically possible, despite having a brilliant physics mind, is so embarrassing that it can only be explained by MORT.

We are using a ridiculously tiny part of earth’s resources, so at the moment we have literally barely scratched the surface, so even if resources are theoretically finite in practice we haven’t long reached the end.

But even more importantly economic growth doesn’t measure the amount of resources used because we can growth with more efficient and smarter use of resources.

And of course you can beat limits by going the Elon way off the planet.

As another recent example, world famous and respected energy expert Art Berman wrote an essay a few days ago on entropy. He does an excellent job of explaining entropy but misses the key CACTUS insight that modernity must grow or else it will collapse.

https://www.artberman.com/blog/the-entropy-fee-the-hidden-physical-cost-of-technology

The Entropy Fee: The Hidden Physical Cost of Technology

Technology is commonly seen as the defining engine of modernity and, for millions, almost as an article of faith. In this secular theology, progress is the gospel, innovation the sacrament, and technological advance the miracle expected to solve problems from climate change and disease to poverty and resource scarcity.

The expansion of technological, economic and material growth over the last 200 years is the greatest in human history. The problem is that growth adds complexity, and complexity requires energy to build, maintain and replace. Technology may increase efficiency, but those gains aren’t free. There is a physical cost that money cannot eliminate.

Today, virtually every aspect of daily life—from food and shelter to travel and communication—depends on a continuous flow of concentrated energy and electricity to sustain the metabolism of modern civilization. About 80% of that primary energy still comes from fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels are concentrated stores of chemical free energy with an extraordinary capacity to do useful work. When we burn them, some of that energy is converted into mechanical work or electricity, while the rest is ultimately dispersed as heat. The fuel itself is transformed largely into CO₂ and water and dispersed into the environment.

Energy is conserved, but its capacity to do useful work declines as entropy increases. That’s the physical-world version of the progression from box 1 to box 3 in Figure 1.

Entropy therefore describes a fundamental tendency from concentration toward dispersion. Civilization runs in the opposite direction locally. We concentrate ores into metals, assemble materials into machines and buildings, move supply chains across continents, and organize matter into increasingly elaborate technological systems. None of this violates the second law of thermodynamics because maintaining that local order requires a continuous flow of usable energy while producing still more entropy elsewhere.

Technology does not float independently above civilization as invention, innovation or creativity. It is embedded in civilization’s physical metabolism. The device gets smaller, the transaction faster and the human effort lower—but the supporting network often becomes larger and more complex.

Technology compresses what we see while accelerating the energy and material throughput we don’t see.

That’s the trap. Complexity itself has a maintenance cost—the entropy fee. Technology cannot free us from this cycle because it both enables and depends on continuous energy and material throughput. Entropy and complexity are therefore embedded in growth.

Technological solutions to resource and environmental constraints often add new components, infrastructure and dependencies that must themselves be built, powered, maintained and eventually replaced. When those dependencies encounter limits of their own, further technological solutions are required. Complexity compounds upon complexity, increasing the system’s maintenance burden and consuming a growing share of the usable energy and resources that might otherwise be available for additional growth.

That is the complexity trap. Growth adds technology and infrastructure; technology adds complexity; and complexity requires continuing flows of energy and materials to maintain it. Efficiency can reduce the cost of particular tasks, but it cannot eliminate the physical cost of maintaining the larger system. More complexity means more to build, coordinate, repair and replace.

The result resembles the Red Queen effect at civilization scale: “it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.” An increasing share of society’s effort must simply maintain the organized complexity it has already created.

This is not a mistake or a catastrophe, nor is it simply the result of bad policy or too many regulations. It is a physical consequence of maintaining a complex civilization of more than eight billion people. Technology is not an abstraction. It is organized matter doing useful work, and organized matter has a physical cost.

That makes this less a problem to be solved than a predicament to understand.

Notice that Berman correctly understands modernity requires energy and material flows to maintain itself, but he does not understand that modernity requires growing energy and material flows to not collapse.

I know from reading and listening to many of Berman’s excellent podcasts and essays that he believes that energy depletion will soon cause lifestyles to simplify back to something like the 1950’s when we used less energy but still had comfortable lives.

His understanding is as wrong as that of Dr. Dennis Meadows, and pretty much all of the other overshoot thought leaders.

So no, CACTUS is not just a clever name for old well understood ideas.

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Christ
October 4, 2026 3:51 pm

In one month, we will know whether America can redeem itself from its decline into fascism.

If anything but democratic norms prevail after the mid-terms, America will irreversibly be a fascist state. Irreversible, at least, until war or internal collapse. Once fascism grips a society, there are no democratic do-overs.

https://www.collapse2050.com/in-30-days-well-know/

Sarah Connor with some very useful info today. I’m so impressed that I’ve decided to take a break from un-Denial so that I can give her my full support.

For the next month I’ll be busy spreading the word and praying with Sarah that both the Senate and the House end up in true blue victory. It’s the most important election of our lifetime. Get out there and vote like your life depends on it. We need America to “redeem” itself and get back to being great again.

ps. I do have to give Sarah some actual credit for turning me on to this movie from a different post. Come and See (1985) – IMDb 

Haven’t watched yet, but it looks very promising… in that Threads (1984) kind of way. Definitely have to be in the right mood.

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 5:35 pm

Ha! You reminded me of those $300 stimulus checks from Bush back in 2001. The first couple minutes of this clip is a funny rant about that.

Btw, this is easily in my top five stand-up specials of all time. Shut Up You F’ing Baby! by David Cross. Highly recommend. Two hours of pure greatness.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 8:27 pm

I just read a very depressing essay by Dr. Robert Malone showing that MAHA has been taken over by the “healthcare” industry

That is totally unsurprising given the nature of the Trump administration.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 9:29 pm

Corporate money in government is certainly a part of it. But also, the first Trump administration had a very poor record when it came to corporate money in government.

Even though RFK Jr. an Dr. Bhattacharya have the relevant wisdom and integrity, they are working in an broader administration that is uniquely unsuitable for the task of fixing the healthcare system. You essentially have a few wise, ethical individuals surrounded by a much greater number of people who are corrupt and incompetent.

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Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Stellarwind72
October 5, 2026 8:42 am

I’m afraid the evidence for Battacharya having integrity, still less wisdom, is rather weak.

Months into the vaccination campaign, when SAERS was already flashing red, he stated that the vaccines were ‘pretty safe’.

‘Pretty safe’?!!! Thousands were dead by then.

We do best not to look for any heroes in this, I think.

We are on our own.

John
John
October 4, 2026 1:08 pm

Per Hideaway and Rob commenting down thread about spent fuel pools, etc, I’d just say that life finds a way. Watch babushkas of Chernobyl on YouTube, interesting. Fukashima has life (mamallian even) as well:

Whomever is durable and adaptable enough – mentally, physically and spiritually – will likely find their way, at least for a while. Who runs Barter Town…?

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Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 10:39 pm

It’s not available in Australia via YT, but I have watched this doco before on TV – I really loved it, those amazing old women who decided they did not give a hoot and just went back anyway and lived there on their own. Amazing story.

Nobody
Nobody
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 5:16 am

stay home for the first few weeks behind a locked door with a weapon.

I hate to be that guy, but: and then what? Prepping as a hobby or some form of hoarding is fine, but I have yet to see a prepper with a viable long-term plan.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 12:35 pm

‘Eli from Russia’ YT made a very interesting video on her experience of going on a water-only diet at a sanatorium, all monitored by doctors, etc.

She’s a very fit young woman. She described her state of mind as the days passed: she ended up on a kind of mental high, but in reality weak as a kitten. Can’t recall how many days that was.

A neighbour regularly does up to 30-day water diets as part of her anti-cancer regime. She goes very pale indeed, but can still walk the dog.

I suspect people will flake out very rapidly without the food they are used to. They won’t present any problem.

The really dangerous ones will be those who realise very quickly what is going on and go out raiding at once, while still fully charged.

Gregory Denton
Gregory Denton
October 3, 2026 5:53 pm

Excellent analysis of the Faustian bargain for a global, techno-industrial civilization that is teetering under its own weight and complexity, as you outline. I might suggest a third leg to the stool along with energy flows and material flows: labor. The flows do not emanate directly from the earth, they are due to the slave-wage labor of the Global South. This labor is, perhaps, most vulnerable to now falling crop yields caused by a number of conditions, such as global warming-induced extreme weather. Without access to food (priced out of reach, empty grocery shelves, etc.) a worker is not going to continue to stand on the assembly line or work at the docks in order that wealthy Global North citizens feel comfortable, they will drop their tools and go search for ways to feed their families. As William Rees says, we are in ecological overshoot, it will not end well.

HideAway
HideAway
October 3, 2026 4:06 pm

You’d think something new like drones in warfare, making tanks, naval destroyers and armoured vehicles almost obsolete overnight, would save fuel/energy for other uses, but it seems these other uses are also not that positive overall…

https://odessa-journal.com/anti-drone-protection-now-covers-over-1560-km-of-key-logistics-routes

Let’s just use the energy and materials faster…
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Christ
October 3, 2026 3:55 pm

Dave Pollard finally wrote something that doesn’t involve AI music or fake conversations at a cafe. LOL

The “domesticated” angle is another one I really like. Usually ends up sounding kinda creepy/scary. Like that famous Harari quote; We did not domesticate wheat. It domesticated us.

There is only one way in which 8.3 billion human beings, who have utterly terraformed the planet to make us all completely dependent on the massively complex interdependent systems we have constructed — fragile, high-maintenance systems which include technologies capable of exterminating all life on Earth very quickly, can possibly function: We all must do what we’re told.

In short, we must be conditioned to be passive. Like all animals kept in unnaturally confined spaces, we must be relentlessly taught that our role is to obey, to stay in our place, to do what we’re told, and to passively consume what we’re allowed to have by our ‘keepers’. If we do not, there will be punishments.

Our civilization is a massive CAFO — a confined, concentrated animal feeding operation — whose function is to keep all of us creatures penned inside it behaving properly and maintaining order throughout our ‘stay’.

This is the crowning achievement of a species that became too smart for its own good. And it’s demonstrating that by destroying the entire planet on which it lives. And now, it’s dreaming of escaping the ruins, and wreaking similar havoc on other planets.

There seems to be a consensus among anthropologists that, while we’re an inherently social species, we’re not voluntarily so. We would prefer to be alone with only those we like, but we have been conditioned to appreciate that we require community — the support of others — for our very survival. So we have a love/hate relationship with our fellow humans. We have to be conditioned to get along well with others. And the best vehicle, bar none, for conditioning humans is language.

https://howtosavetheworld.ca/2026/10/03/conditioned-to-be-passive/

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 3, 2026 7:43 pm

When SHTF we won’t be feeding grain to chickens to make eggs.

Animal products in general will be in short supply. Meat (especially beef) will become a luxury very few can afford. We will all have to eat lower on the trophic pyramid.

Ecological_Pyramid
Stellarwind72
October 3, 2026 3:26 pm

Israeli opposition criticise Netanyahu for being ‘too pro-Palestine’
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/israel-elections-2026-netanyahu-pro-palestine-410182/

Good luck trying to unpack this one. Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Israel who has brought destruction and devastation to Palestine during a brutal three-year war, has been accused of ‘going soft’ on the territory by some of his political opponents.

…

The remarkable statements have been made by members of Yisrael Beiteinu – who are more conservative and right-wing than Netanyahu’s Likud Party. Avigdor Liberman is the chairman of the group, and he has been amplifying his message on social media, leaving outsiders baffled in the process.

What do these people want? The expulsion of the population of Gaza (or worse…)

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Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 3, 2026 2:38 pm

This isn’t the first time Russia had made such a warning. They made similar threats back in May.
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/5/26/headlines/russia_warns_foreigners_and_diplomats_to_leave_kyiv_after_deadly_weekend_assault

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 3, 2026 5:11 pm

The West and Russia are playing a very dangerous game of Chicken. The now assumes that Russia will always swerve.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 4, 2026 12:50 pm

Well, Gail is quite old now, has grandchildren, her autistic son is in employment difficulties, close relations have died or are dying of cancer,and the general situation is deteriorating rapidly: it all seems to be getting to her a bit, I’ve noticed a change of tone.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 2, 2026 10:37 pm

Eric Idle’s other great meaningful song ….

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  HideAway
October 3, 2026 12:30 pm
Christ
October 2, 2026 4:04 pm

This comment sounds like me prior to pulling my head out of my ass.

It’s embarrassing when people talk about how our “democracy is in crisis.”

Western society has been totally insane and destructive for at least 500 years, and arguably much longer. 

In the 1400-1500s, power-hungry European monarchs sent war ships to plunder and conquer other continents.

Then military states and greedy corporations pillaged, genocided, and enslaved millions to keep getting richer.

A few hundred more years of slavery and genocide.

An endless onslaught of international wars and ever-expanding military and police states.

Along with imperialism, colonization, and exploitation of nearly the entire globe’s population and resources.

And yet somehow one recent political faction is the cause of all our problems? 

It’s a laughable premise.

We’ve lived under the rule of violent oppressors for hundreds of years — the same ones that formed our so called “democracy.”

Don’t believe the propaganda. This is the same rotten system.

The way out isn’t a different face at the top of the Empire.

What’s needed is a completely new system and way of relating to the Earth and each other.

https://substack.com/@leowalkerwriting/note/c-350558960

And yes, his first line is absolutely correct. But you know what’s way more embarrassing? When people end their comments talking about “the way out.”

But boy do I miss the days when a good song like this meant something more to me than just naive lip service.

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Ian Graham
Ian Graham
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 6, 2026 9:52 am

Rob, have you posted anywhere, except by the search function, the sum and substance of your ‘preptips’? Like this one.

Ian Graham
Ian Graham
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 6, 2026 10:00 am

thanks for quick reply, compels me to dig them out.

Stellarwind72
October 2, 2026 7:57 am

Based on the title, B partially understands CACTUS. And Yes, it is confirmed that he reads Un-Denial. He even directly links to this article.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/rising-complexity-cannot-end-in-any

Rising Complexity Cannot End In Any Other Way

Modernity demands a constant growth in energy and material inputs – what could possibly go wrong with that?

Yet, later in the article, he writes

This won’t happen overnight though. Scarcity, resulting from the first round of production collapse, would begin to raise prices again, stopping the cascade before it could become complete. The weakest players break, then the “equilibrium” is restored. A round of consolidation follows: assets are bought up and production restarts, but cannot be restored completely as the market can no longer support it. Buffers and resilience suffer a blow, and never get restored. Jobs are lost forever. Consumer sentiment and spending get a hit. Demand begins to quietly decline, again.

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Christ
Reply to  Stellarwind72
October 2, 2026 2:42 pm

Years and decades into this process six continent supply chains begin to fragment into smaller, more manageable chunks.

On and on, for decades—just like in Rome. ‘But hey, this time it’s different!’ No it’s not. Not at all.

LOL, he just can’t commit. Always gotta leave some wiggle room for the hopium. At least Egg called B out in the comments:

Oh it’s definitely different than the Roman Empire, just not in ways that will save us. Quite the opposite.

But since nobody wants to do a deep dive on all the ways our civilization differs from Ancient Rome in the context of collapse, we’ll all just keep stupidly nodding our heads whenever somebody says collapse will play out over many decades or even centuries.

Most people are subconsciously looking for excuses to keep on keeping on, and hearing that collapse will play out over a couple hundred years is the equivalent of taking a big ol rip off the bong.

Whatever. If all the wise collapsologists are wrong, it’s no big deal. I mean sure, we’ll die or worse, but they’re probably right. Don’t sweat it.

ps. I’ve been waiting three years for B to acknowledge undenial. Finally happens and all we get is one lousy link mention?

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Stellarwind72
October 2, 2026 8:24 pm

Hi Stellarwind72, I hope you and everyone else notices how the first part is about energy, materials and complexity, the actual physical components, but then for the future changes to human stories of prices, markets equilibrium etc..

In the last few hundred years when the growth in civilization has got out of whack somewhere we get the recessions or depressions from some aspect ceasing to be working flawlessly.

Of course there are plenty of new extra energy and material resources just being idled in the total growth of the upcurve when these recessions/depressions hit, in fact more available after them..

Now consider a completely different world of less in the future, after the recession/depression kicks off, instead of more. There is no way the same dynamic of cheap energy and resources can apply, simply because there are less, yet B has extrapolated the usual story of economists still expecting more.

To be accurate he needs to break the physical reality from the humanist stories, that have worked in a world of constantly more, but physically can’t in a world of less.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 2, 2026 4:20 pm

I listened to this one in full yesterday. They said State of Texas declared a state of emergency over diesel shortage. THey talked about Europe/UK and the US in this context but we don’t get a mention here.

We have not heard from Hideaway for a bit, if you are reading H (and your farm is not under water), I am very keen to get your thoughts on how the next few months play out. Based on this interview, I can see that all data points coming out of the middle east are dubious, so it’s very hard to know, but surely Christmas is going to be cancelled??😜

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Renaee
October 2, 2026 7:18 pm

Hi Renaee, I’m reading here all the time, still researching, and basically in shock of how accurate CACTUS really is. (It’s a physical civilization we live in, the physics is absolute, It’s only human stories that give hope against the reality of the physics)

What we don’t know, and can never fully know, mostly because of all the misinformation of actual information spread, (bbls/d, tonnes of coal & gas used/stored/available, what’s happening at mines, farms in storages etc.), is exactly when it all collapses.

How many nodes and connections of networks have to unravel before it all becomes unrepairable/irreversible is also unknowable because of the sheer complexity and size of civilization, the quantities of everything everywhere.

I’m stuck on my big essay as much as because it’s all overwhelmingly simple, but some of the numbers to prove it, are just unavailable, no-one anywhere records them. Plus there is the human element of the more anyone understands the real situation, the more likely for people/populations/countries to become more insular they become, which accelerated the process of collapse as we have a globalised world for our material modern civilization.

Civilization collapses because of the curve in growth rate of materials moved times distance moved, as in all materials used and waste, is accelerating away from our available energy and efficiency gains to do so.

Basically what’s going to happen, is that so many nodes of networks will go bust (our human story of economics placed over the real world of energy and material gathering and movement), that our system unravels at such a speed that human stories (politicians/militaries/bankers concept of ‘control’), have no way to keep up with the components of modernity unravelling, as the network of networks is way to large and complex for any modelling to be close to accurate.

The very attempt at control of the system will just accelerate the unravelling. That’s what is already happening with the current wars. People, politicians, authorities, militaries all thinking they can control what’s happening (both sides).

What need to happen to extend modern civilization, is wars end, free trade everywhere, get rid of all rules and regulations around industrial development, as in all environmental, zoning, location rules and regulations for everything.

That’s what gives us the greatest efficiency in use of, and gathering energy and materials, to maintain and grow modern civilization for a bit longer.

We just collapse a bit later in a more polluted, degraded world, with less other species and natural environment remaining.

I suspect once we start getting governments in countries like the USA, Canada and Australia start restricting fuel use, and not just using the price mechanism, we are getting too close for comfort to total collapse.

Most of the rain is North of us, I wouldn’t mind a bit more here..

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 2, 2026 9:21 pm

I think you understand my point is that if people fully agree with CACTUS, then we might just get a much greater destruction of the natural environment, as people will almost always vote for more civilization, compared to less civilization (of which they might be the first or earliest ones to be cast out).

The second point is that so many people really do have denial stuck in their genes that no matter what the evidence, will just ignore it for whatever they want to do/believe in. Which will mean partial acceptance of CACTUS at best.

Rob “without making any attempt to help the survivors.“

I’m afraid I’m getting a lot like Fast Eddy on this…. what survivors??

When there is fast collapse, then the odds of every spent fuel pool at nuclear reactors being abandoned is very high, with the likely death of virtually all larger and most smaller mammals in the Northern Hemisphere following from the resultant radioactivity, over the next couple of decades. We wont get off Scott free here in the Southern Hemisphere either, though there might not be as many extinctions.

I also expect that people continuing to do what we are doing is all just part of the natural progress of our complexity trap.

Next year alone we need to move an extra ~20B tonnes of materials (including all wastes) on average a greater distance than this year, just to maintain modern civilization. If we want modern civilization to keep growing for longer, instead of shorter, then this extra movement keeps growing and 2028 will be an extra 21B tonnes on top of the 2027 number.

I just don’t like my own findings and implications as it kills off all ‘hope’, and I’m sure most people wont like them either, but I am still working on it.

It’s also gone way outside a lot of things I use to think were important, like debt, finance, money, innovation, EROEI, efficiency gains etc, all of which are irrelevant, in the big picture, but offer ‘hope’ in the shorter term, to those that refuse to look at the big picture. We have run out of runway for the shorter term stories.

Unfortunately the full super-linearly scaled growth of civilization explains by itself why our civilization will collapse, every prior civilization collapsed (without all the human stories provided by anthropologists to confuse the issue), plus fully explains the Fermi paradox as well.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 2, 2026 10:30 pm

Rob ..”Well that was unusually depressing even for me.“

COL (not LOL)… That’s exactly how I’ve been going when working on it.

Every time I look into more details of our modernity, and what we have to do to persist with it, the result is worse that I previously thought!!

How can the worst, most gloomiest story of our future portrayed on the net by all the doomsters out there, actually be worse than even we thought???

That’s the reality and is precisely why it all collapses rapidly, because the actual situation is way worse than anyone thought it was!!

I just looked at the end of that video that Renaee linked to downthread. notice all the influences of diesel he has at the end, yet no mention of mining, waste movements etc.

In this years annual report, BHP disclosed the current strip ratio of the Escondida mine. It’s around 1.7-1.8. That means for their 1.1M tonnes of copper production, they are moving around 235 million tonnes of waste rock from around 600 metres deep in the open cut mine to waste heaps. With a 1 in 10 grade for the haul road it means a 6Km trip to the top of the open cut, before going further away to dump this waste rock (they used the closest locations to dump the waste rock first). Every 100m deeper is an extra 1Km for the huge trucks to haul each 400 tonne load, just to the top of the pit wall.

They can’t stop just because the price of diesel is making the mine a bit uneconomic, as closing a mine to care and maintenance mode, is an expensive exercise. Laying off the workers makes them scatter to other jobs (they and their families need to eat!!) Restarting a mine on C&M is very expensive as all equipment has to be rechecked and often re-certified, then the long process of employing all the different experts and other people, then establishing all the sources of consumables again all in a co-ordinated manner.

Of course at some point it becomes too expensive to keep running the mine, so they have to stop production. How many open cut mines around the world will this happen to at around the same time?? What will happen to the price of all those different commodities around the same time. How do they all start up again around the same time, if the manufacturers of all the supplies they need have also gone bust?? How does war damaged infrastructure get fixed to increase oil/diesel production if the manufacturers that make the pipes, wires, equipment etc have stopped production because they couldn’t get materials and ceased operating?? OK I’m off on another tangent…

Renaee
Reply to  HideAway
October 3, 2026 1:01 am

COL – cough out loud?? (my first thought) No cry out loud, that must be it.

I wanted to second Rob’s suggestion to hand in your essay 😉 After reading all this, I feel that your research could be endless and I hope that it is not becoming a mental strain, or maybe it’s an enjoyable distraction, I don’t know, but I hope that you are able to put it to rest soon….

what is that expression – perfection is the enemy of the good. And also once you see it in print, that may be a way to finesse it further in the comments.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Renaee
October 3, 2026 1:56 am

Yes, you and Rob are correct, It is endless with every bit of new information, that often changes what I’ve written about. Between posts today I’ve been working on it again.

There have been times over the last week or 2 when I’ve just left it, read other stuff, gone to different sources of information, then sat and contemplated over it for a few days without adding anything, then changing a few things or the order. I’ve spent way longer on this than any previous essay, and it is so far from what I originally planned to write.

Plus you guys always put up new videos that I go and watch..

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Nobody
Nobody
Reply to  HideAway
October 3, 2026 2:30 am

When there is fast collapse, then the odds of every spent fuel pool at nuclear reactors being abandoned is very high, with the likely death of virtually all larger and most smaller mammals in the Northern Hemisphere following from the resultant radioactivity, over the next couple of decades. We wont get off Scott free here in the Southern Hemisphere either, though there might not be as many extinctions.

I have spent more time on trying to armchair-model this than I really should have, precisely because of the aforementioned character stubborness. In the event of total abandonment, a lot will depend on what (fuel age? pool density and geometry?), where (geography of the local region? what facility?), when (seasonal weather patterns?) and how (released Cs-137 and Sr-90 fraction? total dose over time?) will burn, if it comes to that. Around ¼ of all spent nuclear fuel is in dry storage (per PRIS) while the rest was either reprocessed or is in wet storage (roughly ⅔). Some part of it, especially the older (how old?) assemblies, is stored off-site in centralized storage facilities, where even if water evaporated the fire wouldn’t probably happen because the fuel is too old to cause one (per NRC the threshold is 3 years for enough heat to dissipate for it to become air-coolable; there’s obviously more to it here, since freshly offloaded burning assemblies can propagate fire to the older ones in their proximity during extreme LOCA, but again this depends on each individual pool configuration). In the worst case scenario of total abandonment of on-site SFPs what would matter the most in the short to medium term would be local conditions – something that, I believe, is impossible to accurately model without global dispersion, deposition and exposure model.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Nobody
October 3, 2026 2:40 am

I just asked A.I.s some broad questions about it, and there were no good answers, all similar to what FE has been stating for years.

If you’ve looked into it in any detail you would know a lot more than I would. It is however just another layer of problems on top of what collapse would bring…

Nobody
Nobody
Reply to  HideAway
October 3, 2026 3:26 am

All I was trying to say is that that SFP scenario isn’t as simple as “civilization collapses -> all SFPs go up in smoke and NH biosphere eventually dies” as FE tends to imply. Without proper scientific research and physical models, guessing what may actually happen based on nuclear accidents to date or hypotheticals is a pointless exercise unlikely to produce any meaningful results.

If you’ve looked into it in any detail you would know a lot more than I would.

I would, if I were an actual scientist working on this full time, had proper tools and data to work with and connections with other scientists in the field I could discuss my “research” with. I don’t trust AI or FE and tend to fact-check their claims against available evidence, which resulted in the above comment.

It is however just another layer of problems on top of what collapse would bring…

Agreed here.

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nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 3, 2026 2:38 pm

My best case for this is that most of the material will be dumped into permanent water bodies. Definitely not good for the water bodies though. I guess it depends on who knows what would happen if the ponds dry up.

I haven’t thought about this depressing issue for a long while.

SighOL

Renaee
Reply to  HideAway
October 2, 2026 8:18 pm

Thanks for all of that. Your paragraph explaining what needs to happen to extend modernity is the opposite of what is happening, with everyone playing the zero sum game with other countries. Growth with the greatest efficiency that bypasses all env restrictions is pretty much what has always gone on, so not surprising we just need more of the same to continue those efficiency gains. It is painful to think that so much fat in the system, so much waste, is what is keeping it all afloat. And it is an easy mistake to assume that being less wasteful would mean efficiency gains, and therefor people think we can do it all more sustainably on a smaller scale and get an advantage there, it seems intuitive, but not at scale.

Re the fuel restrictions, is that why they keep putting it off and just won’t bring in rationing I wonder?. They will talk about it and have policy around it, but will they actually do it??. Maybe the UK will go first, and the rest of the world will be looking on, wondering how the public reacts and if things unravel.

Sorry you missed out on the tropical torrential downpours that Melbourne got. Maybe the next few days will provide.

I just listened to Max Fisher, this is a very good overall explainer of where things are at. I’m going to watch it again this time with his crazy-wall visuals to get full understanding.

Christ
Reply to  Renaee
October 3, 2026 8:26 pm

I just noticed that this thread got pinned. You summoning HideAway ended up paying off very well. Good job.

Hide spends all of his free time sleeping. But he has a sixth sense when it comes to un-Denial. Whenever his services are requested, he instinctively awakens and pops out of bed to come to our rescue.

I actually have some exclusive footage of it from last night right after you posted your comment:

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 3, 2026 11:16 pm

I’ve put in the math of one part, the inevitability of collapse from super-linear scaled growth, but the second bit of harder math in networks of networks collapse, I’m just linking to the original paper, and using their verbal summation, which means I should be able to wrap it up fairly quickly now (I hope!!).

I keep running into the problem you’ve mentioned above “which sets oneself up for attacks“, basically because it would require a book to fully explain each section, which means it will be open to attacks by those trying to find gaps, as not everything can be covered or explained fully in an essay.

I would still expect most attacks from people that believe in human agency, hope, power of economics, religions, etc.

The laws of thermodynamics are conclusive. The collapse is fast, precisely because everything looks relatively normal right up until it isn’t. We’ve been having wars, shortages of this and that, recessions, depressions, doomers declaring the end, all of it in the world of growth, for centuries, so basically no-one realistically expects anything different this time…

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  HideAway
October 4, 2026 2:40 am

Hello Hideaway,

Bring it on! You have the universal laws of physics on your side (and this motley crew who would follow you to the ends of the earth, and it is looking like we are doing just that!)

Every attack will just expose even more the errors of all human stories, all will pale in the light of truth!

We have been waiting with bated breath for this tell-all expose, and we so appreciate the many decades of scholarship and thought that you have put in as foundation for CACTUS, and now the Son of CACTUS–in full technicolour as you’ve never seen before!

Thank and bless you, Hideaway. Hope you can catch up on much needed sleep after such a monumental effort.

Love and best to you and your family.

Christ
September 30, 2026 6:28 pm

Maniacal sports enthusiasm—often referred to as sports fanaticism or obsession—is a powerful psychological and social phenomenon where an individual’s identity, emotions, and daily mood become deeply intertwined with the performance of a sports team or athlete.

My dad hated watching sports. He’d always tell us how idiotic it was to invest so much emotion into something you have no control over. In the late 80’s it got so bad that he instituted a ban on it; no sports allowed on tv. Of course, all that did was push my brother and me deeper into it. And just like the preacher’s daughter, we became total sport sluts. LOL

Thankfully, this obsession is over with for me (reality awareness tends to do that). But my mom and brother are at the highest point they’ve ever been in their life with the fanaticism. I’d like to apply the same ban my dad did, but I guarantee they’ll either laugh me off stage or lynch me.

Meg Wheatley (a source I found through Michael Dowd) used to preach about how all collapsing civilizations, near the end, always see an explosion in worship type popularity with three professions; athletes, actors, and musicians. Sounds like common sense but Meg was good at talking about it. 

PS. I was bored so I decided to rank my favorite sports movies. Team sports only. With two qualifiers; has to be rated at least a 7 and has to contain a decent amount of scenes involving that sport (for example; Brewsters Millions doesn’t have enough baseball action to make the cut). 

Figured they’d all be prior to 2000 but there’s actually a couple post 2000. But overall it turned out to be a pretty lame list. Was hoping to see more underrated gems show up. 

Baseball:
Field of Dreams 10
Major League 10
Eight Men Out 9
Bull Durham 8
The Sandlot 8
Mr Baseball 7
A League of Their Own 7
Tiger Town 7
Cobb 7

Football:
Remember the Titans 8
The Longest Yard (1974) 8
Necessary Roughness 7
Any Given Sunday 7
Friday Night Lights 7
Wildcats 7

Basketball:
White Men Can’t Jump 8
Hoosiers 8
Teen Wolf 8
Above the Rim 7

Soccer:
Mean Machine 9
Victory 7

Hockey:
Mystery Alaska 8
Slapshot 7
The Mighty Ducks 7

ps. This clip is from Mean Machine (a remake of The Longest Yard). The Monk is the name of the goalie. He killed 23 men with his bare hands, so of course everyones afraid of him.

Renaee
Reply to  Christ
September 30, 2026 7:29 pm

For soccer you forgot Bend it Like Beckam. Great movie. Does that make the cut?
I recall Marg Wheatley saying that too. Sports and celebrities are our last messiah 🙄.
I wondered if this was inspired by the Enthusiasm post from MB i sent you.
Also it seems that baseball is the sport US loves the most. We dont have a culture of playing that here. Cricket is big for aussies, as a colony of UK. I have never watched any sport except for a bit of tennis.

That would be hard to live with, the sports fanaticism.

You could do solo sports next. Ice skating movies come to mind. And golf ⛳️

Christ
Reply to  Renaee
September 30, 2026 8:37 pm

Never saw Bend It Like Beckam.

I read that Enthusiasm post last night along with a few others. So yeah, it probably inspired this comment. You detective you.😊

Good idea about the solo sports. My favorite ice-skating flick is The Cutting Edge. For golf it’s a tie between Happy Gilmore and Tin Cup. And there are tons of good boxing movies.

steve c
steve c
Reply to  Christ
October 3, 2026 6:25 pm

Have you seen Slapshot? Makes my list.

Christ
Reply to  steve c
October 3, 2026 7:40 pm

Yep. It’s on the list. But only the original. The sequels are awful.

I left this one off the list, but I’m thinking I should’ve included it:
Goon (2011) – IMDb

Christ
September 30, 2026 2:57 pm

This clip made me laugh. Silly fire apes. (h/t Cassandra at C&E)

Here’s another one for the “we told you so” pile of human insanity: the Saudi’s Neom project. Never was there such a disgusting, insane, humongous example of hubris and ecological lunacy. We saw this as soon as it was announced almost 9 years ago.

Duke
Duke
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 1, 2026 2:00 am
Charles
Charles
September 30, 2026 2:40 am

For what it’s worth, there is a site with statistics on pipelines, storage and shortages: https://global-energy-flow.com/

There were similar kind of sites during covid. They are fun, but, I find, not really useful: distractions from the big lens/long term trends.
I still share the poison 🙂

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 3:02 pm

Well, if North Korea can have nuclear weapons, then Iran no longer needs nuclear weapons, since North Korea can provide Iran on-demand with everything they need, then!

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 3:13 pm

Excellent – I am inspired and feel like something super healthy. Will give it a go.
Edit – glad I read the actual comments and extra detail. I have a pressure cooker and putting them onto soak now, when ever i do beans, I always think, why don’t i eat them more often. Also funny to read about the ‘waiting’ feeling back then. Waiting is a human invention/curse, other animals are free of it, their brains don’t contain the time structure as our cursed kind do, with full consciousness.

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Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 6:27 pm

I think there’s going to be run on beans at our respective local grocery stores!

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 7:32 pm

LOL. I couldn’t wrap my head around the no refrigeration. AI basically called me a clueless f’ing moron. And rightly so. 🤣

Cooked rice and beans absolutely require refrigeration. If your friend is implying that the prepared, wet dish can sit out on the counter as leftovers, they are incorrect and risking serious food poisoning.

Your friend was probably referring to the dry, raw ingredients (dry brown rice, dry black beans, dehydrated seaweed, and dried mushrooms), those shelf-stable staples last for years without refrigeration.

Renaee
Reply to  Christ
September 29, 2026 7:46 pm

🤣🤣🤣

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 10:38 pm

That sounds insane. But with you and your spreadsheets, I trust that you know what you’re talking about.

I’m a wuss. I won’t even eat pizza if it’s been out for a couple hours.

But I was traumatized a few years back. LOL. I got a crazy case of food poisoning from a potluck at work. The whole team got sick. It was two weeks of absolute hell.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 30, 2026 1:36 am

My dear friends,

I am must interject here by introducing you to Bacillus cereus (be serious!) which is likely the culprit to contaminated grains, including rice. This bacteria is ubiquitous in rice as well as other grains, as it is naturally present in soil. In fact, food poisoning after eating Chinese food is often called Fried Rice Syndrome, as that dish usually involves leaving rice out to cool and dry, and many recipes specifically advocating using leftover rice. Whilst the bacteria is killed by heat in usual cooking methods, however Bacillus cereus produces spores that survive even high heat and under favourable conditions (on the counter, overnight), they can produce toxins that also withstand heat and can lead to unpleasant enteric symptoms upon the next ingestion, even if reheated. It is recommended that one cools down any excess cooked rice (and pasta, potatoes) as soon as possible (within 1-2 hours) to reduce the time for the spores to generate a level of toxin that may cause symptoms.

This paper gives a thorough overview if anyone wants some science.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7913059/

Food poisoning from B cereus, is usually self-limiting and probably under-reported as just about every body has experienced some sort of food related digestive tract symptom and in many countries, it is de rigueur as there are so many things that can cause illness. Interestingly and logically, there may be less than expected food poisoning cases in developing countries that lack refrigeration because often all prepared food is eaten at the same meal, without need for leftovers. Then again, the one time I went to Bali, where rice is integral to daily life, I witnessed that it is part of their culture to cook a large family meal in the morning and leave it out the entire day for people to eat from throughout the day as they desire.

But, as Chris says, once you go through a terrible bout of food poisoning, you tend to be understandably wary and increased hygiene practices become very desirable. A good immune system is always handy, and in a way, the unpleasant reaction, as acute and violent in force as it usually is, is a sign of a good immune system as our gut is a first line defense for foreign invaders.

Having said all of that, I am Chinese and rice is part of my DNA. There have been countless times when I ate cooled on the counter rice, old cold rice directly from the fridge, rice cooked in restaurants under unknown circumstances, and I am sure that most of the time I don’t put leftover rice into the fridge within the window of 1-2 hours (mainly because I love rice so much that there’s a possibility I’ll still be taking another little serve). I can count on my hands the number of times in my entire life that I’ve had true food poisoning symptoms (twice due to oysters, that was epic), so all in all, I’ll just continue as I have been and hopefully I will see myself out without too many other incidents.

Rob, I was sensing that you were about to offer betting a tin of sardines doing a self experiment as you have described, so I just had to do my Gaia thing and post this as further information for your consideration. I wouldn’t recommend it, but most likely you’d be fine as you have a very robust constitution and keep yourself in excellent health, very admirable!

All the best, friends.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 6:25 pm

Golly Rob, I am so thrilled that the simple beans and rice concept, known to billions around the world, has gotten so much traction here. I am especially happy that you enjoy it so and are trying different versions with what you have on hand. Next time, try to add a few tablespoons of tomato paste to the liquid, that give a whole new flavour profile. Brown rice gives it a bit more nuttiness and chew, but I know you stock much more white rice because it keeps longer. I think it’s very wise to stock up more on dried beans and pulses now whilst we still can get it, there’s nothing that give more protein, starch, and other nutrients per gram per dollar value than dried beans, not to mention the indefinite storage ability.

I can predict that you will be topping up your stores of beans and pulses at your next shop, and I will be doing the same! Sardines, move over, it’s time for beans! (I can imagine your sardines would go very well with the beans and rice, though)

Namaste, friends and fellow legume lovers!

Stellarwind72
September 29, 2026 12:17 pm

Part 3 of the internet is evil

Parts 1 and 2 are linked here.
https://un-denial.com/2026/08/01/by-el-mar-ai-chat-on-peak-oil-debitism-and-the-next-5-years/comment-page-4/#comment-122730
https://un-denial.com/2026/08/01/by-el-mar-ai-chat-on-peak-oil-debitism-and-the-next-5-years/comment-page-5/#comment-122868

https://maxwilbert.substack.com/p/big-brother-is-watching

The largest use of the internet today is business. E-commerce, social media, streaming video, pornography, gaming, and other profit-driven activities account for at least 75% of internet traffic. About a quarter of retail sales take place online, a number which vastly underestimates the importance of the internet to business. When taking into account product design, manufacturing, distribution, and sales, its no exaggeration to say that the internet is the nervous system of industrial capitalism.

Business use of the internet has become a foundation of modern economies that’s nearly impossible to examine. In a mirror of the “shifting baseline syndrome” which obscures the reality of biotic collapse of life on Earth behind a veil of normality, the internet’s core as a tool of capitalism goes mostly unexamined. Even anti-capitalists mostly see the internet as a tool for education, collective organizing, and social change rather than as a modern means of production. Researchers Andreas Roos and Alf Hornborg call this type of thinking “Marxist Prometheanism” which is only made possible by ignoring the effects of “capital” once it’s “converted into the material form of technology,” thereby becoming “exempt from political critique.”

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Stellarwind72
September 29, 2026 1:12 pm

Closer to home, surveillance capitalism has wormed its way into every facet of modern life. Google makes more than $400 billion per year, most of it advertising revenue. But advertising is a euphemism; we’re not talking about billboards and TV spots. We’re talking about a business which harvests data from every single Gmail you’ve ever sent or received, anything you’ve ever typed into Google Chrome (even before you hit “enter”), every YouTube video you’ve ever searched for or watched and what parts of those videos you lingered on, every Google Search you’ve ever made, your location and movement patterns including dates and times (tracked from Google Maps, Flights, and Waymo), voice commands and AI chats you’ve made, your transactions, everything you type into Google Docs and other Google Drive files, all the data gathered via Google Analytics (which is used on half of ALL websites on the internet, and in similar percentage of mobile apps), your calendar and meeting schedule from Google Calendar, the Google apps you’ve used and how often (all apps, if you use Android), any photos you’ve shared on Google Photos (including facial recognition scans of all the people in them, and optical character recognition of any text in these photos), and so on.

Also, later in the article, Max discusses how AI and surveillance are being used to facilitate the genocide in Gaza.

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nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 4:52 pm

The trailer definitely put me off bothering. Let us know Rob if you think it is worth it.

Christ
Reply to  nikoB
September 29, 2026 5:15 pm

Yeah, the trailer turned me off also.

I’ve had this miniseries on my radar for years but haven’t watched it yet.

Manhunt (TV Series 2017–2020) – IMDb

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 11:42 am

And I recall Lt Col Teresa Long, the US airforce doctor, and her colleagues who noticed something was up.

About 400 flyers a year, every year with little variation, had notifiable’ conditions before the vaccines, this rose to 4,000 in their wake.

The very fittest cohort in the US: what could have been the cause….?

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 3:21 pm

Cheating doesn’t pay? hmmm

Nate omits that cheating and stealing was what gave our species the advantage when we climbed down from the treetops into the savannah. Stealing the carcas that another animal killed for example. It’s inherent in our nature to act to secure our own advantage. Why would such a basic and obvious factor be over looked? It is why we ended up at the top of the food chain.

That’s why you can feel like a decent person inside an indecent system. Because you are one.

Change would only be possible if we see that we are NOT decent people inside. When we look squarely into our own nature, and see yes, I would like to take the last piece of pie, but I must pretend to be restrained and altruistic, and hence I then start to bury that feeling, and project it onto ‘the system’.

Understanding that we are hard wired to look out for me and mine, and that’s why we have ended up here, means we can then say, well, I didn’t make myself, I have been born this way as an animal competing with all other animals, so then I have a chance to have real understanding about our situation here. Then we can even laugh about it together, all the while knowing that at any time, we could be enemies competing.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Renaee
September 29, 2026 6:16 pm

Hello Renaee,

Totally onboard with that. I never want to forget that somewhere along the line, and probably countless times, my ancestors stole, cheated, and even killed to survive, and thus I was able to be born. I completely realise that the reason I can act “Gaia” now is because I have the luxury of an easy life where I don’t have to fight tooth and claw to survive and therefore use my extra energy and time to have philosophized about what the “best” and “right” way to live is. Who knows how I would or could have turned out in an infinite fractal of possible decisions and conditions, well, it wouldn’t have been the me I am experiencing, so that’s just a thought experiment.

Such as it is, I have been born, and therefore must go through the motions of life and choosing at each juncture how to think and act. Much is hardwired, I know, but within every construct there seems to still be a choice and that has been my “purpose” for the time remaining, to hone those choices to reflect a version of myself that I would want to project most, illusory as it all is.

It’s crazy making if one thinks about it all too much, but yet I find myself drawn to continually self-exam my life whilst I still have the instrument to do so. Here I can agree with Trump possibly the one time, “in the end we all die anyway” so what we do with our bonus days can be perceived as a gift to oneself, a gift to another, both or neither.

Hope you’re enjoying this Spring day, and maybe you’ve got a pot of beans going on the stove?

Namaste and best, friends.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 29, 2026 6:33 pm

Yes, that is probably what he meant, however, it was also easier for another neighbouring tribe to come in and steal and kill and take all resources if they had the power to do so. I’m sure I had ancestors from that sort of tribe. Then, once the dominant tribe got the extra goods and resources, I’m sure members were swiftly punished if they tried to take more than their allotted share. It’s once we have surplus, no matter how ill-gotten, that all the hierarchy starts, and the rest is history.

Sigh, but there it is, still is, and always will be. “To the victor goes the spoils!” barf but true.

Renaee
Reply to  Gaia gardener
September 29, 2026 6:47 pm

Agree re the crazy making, but also yes, to examine one’s life and motives in the most honest way possible is something we share. I look at the ways I can decive myself sometimes, it is revealing.
And I must admit I had a chuckle too when I saw that line from Trump ‘We are all going to die anyway’ a few days back, a rare moment of insight in among the derangement!?
And I understand re the choice, the more conscious we are of those motives, the less mechanical and machines like is our functioning. A machine that knows it is a machine, is no longer a machine. Paradoxical of course.
Currently i have a big pot of sushi rice and scarlet berlotti beans soaking on the bench, ready to go in the pressure cooker this evening for dinner, with all the delicious accoutrements you have both shared 😋

Christ
September 28, 2026 5:27 pm

From this life-long study I’ve developed a little “heuristic,” which is a fancy way of saying “rule of thumb,” and it’s not even an original one: When confronted with multiple explanations for a phenomenon, the one explanation that is the most humiliating, the most embarrassingly material, the most destructive to “common sense,” is the explanation you should seriously look at because it’s probably true.

That’s from an essay by Mike B. Pretty sure I’ve seen him on un-Denial before. Very good article. And I so relate to his “rule of thumb”. My rule for a while has been: Anytime your story hits a sweet spot that produces comforting vibes, most likely you took a wrong turn somewhere and need to retrace your steps in order to get back to the truth. 

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2026/08/three-takeaways-number-one-here-be-apes.html

PS. h/t Survivalist at C&E for this song I’ve never heard. I’ve been singing it all morning. LOL. And fits perfect with Mike’s essay.

Christ
September 27, 2026 9:16 pm

William Rees did one of those low hanging fruit pieces. LOL, the survival drive of the collapse aware just can’t help itself from picking on clueless f’ing morons. Feels like this type of content in the doomasphere has increased tenfold compared to a few years ago. I say keep em coming. Enhance my power, baby!!

https://reeswilliame.substack.com/p/seems-we-know-how-to-fix-global-heating

The essay was good except for one god-awful paragraph where he’s basically endorsing vaccines and chemotherapy.

I liked his emphasis on social constructs and innate story-tellers. HideAway has been on a big kick lately with all the “story” stuff. I like this angle very much. Makes it easier to see the bullshit.

But Rees is still making a big mistake with his adamant rejection of human exceptionalism. Always looks strange to me when an author rails against the concept, only to turn around and detail the exact traits that make us so damn exceptional. C’mon Bill, where are your manners? Show some respect for the blob.🤣 Homo sapiens is the peak of four billion years’ worth of evolutionary grunt work & hard-fought survival. It’s ok to admit we’re special.

Incorporating human exceptionalism into your story makes it flow better (not an opinion, pure fact). And obviously you have to tweak the definition a little bit. Images like this are the literal definition for me:

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ps. The low hanging fruit thing reminds me of that lazy cowboy mummy, Bubba Ho-Tep, who lurks at nursing homes because it’s much easier to feed on the souls of the old and frail. So the next time you find yourself being meticulously critical of a pathetic clueless moron, just remember that you’re no better than Bubba. Haha!!

This entire scene perfectly sums up the blob:

pps. I almost forgot. Hey Gaia, I spoke with Martin Butler earlier today. I told him all about our conversation. He asked me to give you this message:
  

When you were young a tree was just a tree, something to climb or pee against. Then you became sophisticated. A tree was something with spiritual properties that you could hug, or it became beautiful and a part of the ecosystem. Having become sated with your grasping you might drop all your bullshit and once again see a tree as just a tree – something to climb or pee on.

LOL. Oh, you know I love you sis. (h/t Renaee for finding that quote)

Renaee
Reply to  Christ
September 28, 2026 3:19 pm

Good one. I am back staying at my uncle’s place, but with my laptop this time. My older brother called last night, he is a very spiritual type, into lots of traditions, and I read him this little poem and he laughed and liked it. And then told me non duality has made him boring and he needs to find ways to have more fun.

Gaia and Chris – little sis and bro – who love each other a lot. I enjoy these back and forths. I am a late blow in to undenial, now i just prefer to sit on the sidelines mostly. I know that very few people will want to hear any butlerisms.

Andrew and I have a running joke along his namesake, from the Simpsons. (i think) “hey butler, stop butling yourself” – !!

I like what you said about stories, and agree that where Hideaway is heading with this, gels well, it’s all human made up stories, based on our thoughts, feelings, desires and sensations – take all those away and there is just what is, raw reality or physics. I might click to read on rees now too…

Like Gaia says – best to everyone, in these most bizarre of times, waiting for the ‘I told you so’ moment. Life is going to get very intersting soon, but mostly just extremely expensive to start with. Hyperinflation and/or demand destruction, here we come.

One more thing to tac on the end for Rob and Gaia, from another thread yesterday. Shane from Recomb Nation.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Renaee
September 28, 2026 6:25 pm

Hello dear sis Renaee,

So glad you found us here, I don’t think you’re on the sidelines at all (except literally with your gold medal winning limerick!) I always appreciate your thoughtful comments, and bring on the Butlerizing anytime! Just wanted to say a quick hello and give my apology for not quite yet finding the time to call for a catch-up connect, Spring is just full of extra tasks both in and out, you all know what I mean! But you’re in my thoughts and I am always happy to know you and everyone else are present here for one another. This is the hill we’ll make our last stand on together and await the coming storm and as Charles knows, all the flowers that will follow.

All the best to you and your family, and we will talk soon.