
CACTUS stands for Complexity Accelerated Collapse of a Thermodynamically Unsustainable System.
It’s originator is a retired mining engineer turned reclusive prepper named Hideaway who lives on a doomstead somewhere in Australia.
In Australia, cactus is slang for something that is ruined, broken or finished.
So yes, CACTUS is a clever name.
But does CACTUS introduce any new ideas in the science of human overshoot, or does it simply recycle old ideas previously discussed by other overshoot scholars?
When Hideaway’s CACTUS theory was first introduced about a year ago we had a few drive-by shooters who were upset that we claimed CACTUS had new ideas. Unfortunately they never stayed long enough to offer any evidence.
A few un-Denial regulars have, ever so gently, so as to not offend our beloved recluse Hideaway, suggested that other overshoot intellectuals, like for example Alice Friedemann, have previously discussed CACTUS ideas, but again, no evidence was provided.
I’m as well read on overshoot science as any chemiosmotic eukaryotic multi-cellular energy dissipater with an extended theory of mind in this universe.
I think I’m aware of all the great overshoot minds, and have read some, if not most of their work.
Having said that, I’m also an oldish guy with less than perfect memory, and adequate, but not outstanding intelligence.
To the best of my recollection I do not recall anyone clearly articulating several of the most important elements of CACTUS.
I also like to think I have good integrity which means if anyone has evidence that I’m wrong and CACTUS is indeed just a clever name for old ideas, I will retract my claim and apologize.
Let’s revisit the core ideas of CACTUS which were first summarized here.
- Modernity requires abundant minerals and energy.
- The majority of minerals and energy we use are non-renewable and finite.
- Recycling is economically and/or technically impossible for most minerals.
- For those minerals that can be recycled, there are losses in the recycling process that still result in long term depletion.
- The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first.
- Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources. For example, compare modern directional drilling now required for fracking with early oil rigs. Or the giant trucks and other machines now required to haul and process low grade copper ore.
- Rising complexity increases the materials, processes, skills, locations, and number of people needed to design, and manufacture the technologies.
- Rising complexity requires a growing market to support the increasing cost of designing and manufacturing technologies. For example, a smaller population would not buy enough phones to make a TSMC factory in Taiwan viable, and therefore the advanced chips needed for oil exploration and extraction would not exist.
- A growing market requires a growing economy and population.
- A growing economy and population increases the consumption of all minerals and energy.
- Wastes generated by the growing economy and population create increasing frictions to further growth.
- This self-reinforcing complexity growth system drives an increase in mineral and energy flows until technology, markets, and population can no longer keep up with growing waste frictions and declining reserve qualities, and a critical mineral or energy becomes unavailable in the quantities required.
- Scarcity of the critical mineral or energy triggers a system wide technology breakdown cascade because many technologies depend on it, and many other technologies depend on those technologies, via an ultra-complex network of dependencies.
- The unavailability of many technologies then causes many more mineral and energy flows to become unavailable in the quantities required because the quality of remaining reserves makes extraction difficult or impossible without the latest technologies.
- This self-reinforcing collapse of complexity, technology, and resource flows is certain at some point in the not too distant future and will result in a supernova end to modernity and civilization.
- Nothing can be done to prevent this outcome, just as nothing can be done to prevent the collapse of a star.
- It’s not possible to have modernity without infinite growth on a finite planet which means modernity will be short lived everywhere in the universe.
This summary I wrote of CACTUS is based on collating hundreds of comments by Hideaway made at various sites over several years, and is not 100% accurate, as a few corrections from Hideaway are expected, nor is it complete, as Hideaway is working hard now to incorporate the science of super-linear systems and networks of networks into his theory.
Many of the ideas in the above 17 points are of course not new, and have been widely discussed by many people.
I claim a few of the core ideas are new, or are rarely discussed. These include:
- Modernity requires growth in non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist, and this dependence is grounded in physics that cannot be changed. Many others discuss the dependence of growth on human behaviors like the maximum power principle, and human constructs like our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system, however no one until now has clearly stated that modernity must have growing non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist.
- This dependence on physical growth is profound because it implies that no form of sustainable modernity is possible anywhere in the universe. It also means that all of the many overshoot aware intellectuals that promote degrowth, steady-state, circular economies, population reduction, or a great simplification as useful responses to our overshoot predicament are wrong. That includes the most famous Limits to Growth study by Dr. Dennis Meadows et. al. which claimed we needed to stop growing to be sustainable.
- Modernity, when it emerges anywhere in the universe, will be short lived due to the previous points, and will end as a supernova. We have in the past explained this supernova behavior using a few words such as those in points 13-15 in the summary above. Hideaway has been working hard to incorporate the science of super-linearity and networks of networks to provide a more solid scientific explanation for the expected supernova collapse of modernity.
- CACTUS explains why we have not detected any aliens, and why we should have gratitude for being alive to witness a rare and fleeting peak of what is possible in the universe.
Today in a comment Hideaway gave us a preview of the essay he is working on:
When we take all the human stories out of the equation, we are left with raw physics of our system of civilization.
All the human stories ,of money, debt, religion, patents, agreements, governments, laws, contracts, etc all just function to make us get along and trust each other enough to function as a civilization in larger groupings than we otherwise would.
Ants use pheromones to get along and co-operate, money debt, contracts, laws, governments etc are our equivalent to pheromones, just way less efficient..
Coming down to just the physics to explain what happens when limits are reached, we have to understand how civilization has scaled. The raw data shows super-linear scaling in several aspects relative to each other.
Energy use has grown exponentially relative to population (growing or stagnant), that’s super-linear scaling. Material use has grown exponentially compared to energy use, again whether growing or stagnant, which is another aspect of super-linear scaling. Materials moved (not just used, includes all wastes, overburden, strip ratios of mines, lower ore grades, etc), has grown exponentially compared to materials used, again growing or stagnant, another aspect of super-linear scaled growth. Materials moved times distance moved, is also growing exponentially compared to just materials moved, so more super-linear scaling!!
Physics and math tell us that all super-linearly scaled energy dissipative systems end, in a finite time singularity, a physics and math term, meaning fast collapse or phase change. A large star going supernova in a fraction of a second after millions of years of life, is a finite time singularity.
So what happens at this singularity? Basically there is not enough energy to do all that is required to maintain the system let alone grow it, yet any area the system tries to cut back on, feeds back immediately to cut the energy available again, shrinking the system.
This is where the network of networks science comes in. Civilization is basically a network of many different networks, all interdependent upon each other. For any business it has a network of suppliers and customers, but also uses networks of logistics, communications, electricity, water, waste removal etc. Even a household has it’s own networks and interacts with the other networks like government, roads, electricity, water. Everyone of the networks is never independent of the other networks, they are interdependent.
What the science and math of network of networks show is that when you start losing some nodes in networks, the resultant feedback can magnify the effect in other networks nodes, that that lead to a cascade of collapse of all the networks, once a critical quantity of nodes are taken out. Basically the cascade of failure becomes self reinforcing.
Think of civilization as a machine, the most complex machine you can imagine. The machine is working, but you take out a wire here, then over there, then loosen a nut here, then another one over there. At some point when you have either taken out or loosened too many things, or taken out something critical, the machine just stops running. It may do so catastrophically if the wrong wire or nut was affected.
When there is not enough energy to run our civilization, it’s the same effect as pulling out random wires or undoing nuts or bolts randomly in a giant machine; it’s taking out different nodes all over the place because there is not enough energy to keep every aspect functioning, and it’s all happening very rapidly, too rapidly to be making decisions on what gets cut.
With the super-linearly scaled growth within civilization, by the time we get to where there is not enough energy for maintenance of the system, the system has looked fine up to that point, yet the energy available for the next point in time is not enough, so things unravel randomly, especially at the fastest growing aspect of energy use, which is the movement of materials. But if those materials, including waste materials can’t be moved as much, then the availability of materials used, has to decline, because we can’t get access to them, but they are needed, to produce the energy we do produce, which makes energy use fall further, faster.
Of course we humans have all the human stories, placed on top of the physical energy and materials, so use finance, money, debt, letters of credit, contracts, laws and trading agreements. These promises to each other, increasingly can’t be met, so start to lose meaning, which breaks the physical movement even more.
Realistically all the finance, laws, contracts, trade agreements, etc are just further nodes in the network of networks that are more more fragile than we consider, especially when the physical nodes start unravelling due to lack of energy.
This is of course a lot of what I’m working on in the essay, but it’s a lot to put it all together, including the maths that shows why it all collapses quickly..
The absence of discussion and understanding of CACTUS by all of the many intellectuals who discuss overshoot issues is quite remarkable. Not one famous person has even mentioned CACTUS since it was introduced a year ago, let alone explained why they think it is wrong.
I of course think this silence is explained by Dr. Ajit Varki’s Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory, which all of the famous overshoot intellectuals have also ignored since I started discussing the profound implications of MORT over 10 years ago.
Everyday I see super smart people with high integrity saying things that are so obviously wrong that no other explanation than MORT suffices.
Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is one of my favorite and most respected physicists. I’ve read her book twice and she’s made a career of calling bullshit on scientific nonsense like string theory. Yet her ignorance of CACTUS and what is physically possible, despite having a brilliant physics mind, is so embarrassing that it can only be explained by MORT.
We are using a ridiculously tiny part of earth’s resources, so at the moment we have literally barely scratched the surface, so even if resources are theoretically finite in practice we haven’t long reached the end.
But even more importantly economic growth doesn’t measure the amount of resources used because we can growth with more efficient and smarter use of resources.
And of course you can beat limits by going the Elon way off the planet.
As another recent example, world famous and respected energy expert Art Berman wrote an essay a few days ago on entropy. He does an excellent job of explaining entropy but misses the key CACTUS insight that modernity must grow or else it will collapse.
https://www.artberman.com/blog/the-entropy-fee-the-hidden-physical-cost-of-technology
The Entropy Fee: The Hidden Physical Cost of Technology
Technology is commonly seen as the defining engine of modernity and, for millions, almost as an article of faith. In this secular theology, progress is the gospel, innovation the sacrament, and technological advance the miracle expected to solve problems from climate change and disease to poverty and resource scarcity.
The expansion of technological, economic and material growth over the last 200 years is the greatest in human history. The problem is that growth adds complexity, and complexity requires energy to build, maintain and replace. Technology may increase efficiency, but those gains aren’t free. There is a physical cost that money cannot eliminate.
Today, virtually every aspect of daily life—from food and shelter to travel and communication—depends on a continuous flow of concentrated energy and electricity to sustain the metabolism of modern civilization. About 80% of that primary energy still comes from fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels are concentrated stores of chemical free energy with an extraordinary capacity to do useful work. When we burn them, some of that energy is converted into mechanical work or electricity, while the rest is ultimately dispersed as heat. The fuel itself is transformed largely into CO₂ and water and dispersed into the environment.
Energy is conserved, but its capacity to do useful work declines as entropy increases. That’s the physical-world version of the progression from box 1 to box 3 in Figure 1.
Entropy therefore describes a fundamental tendency from concentration toward dispersion. Civilization runs in the opposite direction locally. We concentrate ores into metals, assemble materials into machines and buildings, move supply chains across continents, and organize matter into increasingly elaborate technological systems. None of this violates the second law of thermodynamics because maintaining that local order requires a continuous flow of usable energy while producing still more entropy elsewhere.
Technology does not float independently above civilization as invention, innovation or creativity. It is embedded in civilization’s physical metabolism. The device gets smaller, the transaction faster and the human effort lower—but the supporting network often becomes larger and more complex.
Technology compresses what we see while accelerating the energy and material throughput we don’t see.
That’s the trap. Complexity itself has a maintenance cost—the entropy fee. Technology cannot free us from this cycle because it both enables and depends on continuous energy and material throughput. Entropy and complexity are therefore embedded in growth.
Technological solutions to resource and environmental constraints often add new components, infrastructure and dependencies that must themselves be built, powered, maintained and eventually replaced. When those dependencies encounter limits of their own, further technological solutions are required. Complexity compounds upon complexity, increasing the system’s maintenance burden and consuming a growing share of the usable energy and resources that might otherwise be available for additional growth.
That is the complexity trap. Growth adds technology and infrastructure; technology adds complexity; and complexity requires continuing flows of energy and materials to maintain it. Efficiency can reduce the cost of particular tasks, but it cannot eliminate the physical cost of maintaining the larger system. More complexity means more to build, coordinate, repair and replace.
The result resembles the Red Queen effect at civilization scale: “it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.” An increasing share of society’s effort must simply maintain the organized complexity it has already created.
This is not a mistake or a catastrophe, nor is it simply the result of bad policy or too many regulations. It is a physical consequence of maintaining a complex civilization of more than eight billion people. Technology is not an abstraction. It is organized matter doing useful work, and organized matter has a physical cost.
That makes this less a problem to be solved than a predicament to understand.
Notice that Berman correctly understands modernity requires energy and material flows to maintain itself, but he does not understand that modernity requires growing energy and material flows to not collapse.
I know from reading and listening to many of Berman’s excellent podcasts and essays that he believes that energy depletion will soon cause lifestyles to simplify back to something like the 1950’s when we used less energy but still had comfortable lives.
His understanding is as wrong as that of Dr. Dennis Meadows, and pretty much all of the other overshoot thought leaders.
So no, CACTUS is not just a clever name for old well understood ideas.
Pretty sure I shared this video a while back for his hilarious Trump impersonation (at 26:22)
This morning someone sent me this classic bit comparing racism to hunger (11:29 – 12:30). Made me laugh.
h/t Panopticon.
https://www.azernews.az/oil_and_gas/264255.html
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2026/08/05/affordability-not-scarcity-is-the-real-energy-crisis/comment-page-13/#comment-519203
I think Garrett’s Relation qualifies as a more fundamental explanation of why terminal decline and supernova than CACTUS and it should at least be given some standing as a profoundly original insight, backed by physics. Here is the review on un-denial https://un-denial.com/2021/02/23/by-tim-garrett-jevons-paradox-why-increasing-energy-efficiency-will-accelerate-global-climate-change/
Here is the synopsis:
In other words, perhaps the wealth of civilization has a direct link to how much energy we can
consume. That seemed a reasonable assumption, because in order for us to do anything, which is
perhaps a measure of our wealth, we need to consume energy. That’s a basic law of the physical
universe. It’s through energy transformations that anything happens. I tried to look at this
using available data. It turned out this relationship is constant, with about 10 milliwatts
required to support every inflation-adjusted 1990 dollar of economic value. That was the core
result of my first paper. From there I wanted to see what this implied for global warming, Alex:
If we grow the economy, we’ll put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. But could we reach
safe levels if the economy crashes? Tim: I showed that if the GDP declines with time, which is
normally what we would think of as a Depression, this would not in fact correspond to lower carbon
dioxide emissions. For carbon dioxide emissions to go down, what would be required is effectively
a complete collapse of the economy.
Here are two of Tim Garrett’s papers
https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/3/1/2012/
https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/13/1021/2022/esd-13-1021-2022.html
And a review by Richard Nolthenius, astronomy prof:
Click to access A7-K43-Garrett.pdf
And Garrett’s interview on Great Simplification:
I’m a big fan of Dr. Garrett. He is the only climate scientist with a clue and it is beyond shameful that all of his colleagues (except Dr. Nolthenius) ignore his work.
It’s also one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that MORT is true. How else can we explain the reason that every climate scientist in the world (except Garrett and Nolteneius) is not interested in understanding the true driver of climate change, nor the implications of reducing CO2 emissions as they recommend?
Garrett uses thermodynamics to explain the relationship between energy consumption, economic activity, and CO2 emissions.
Using pre-CACTUS ideas we could conclude from Garrett’s early work that modernity must collapse because our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system requires economic growth to not collapse, which means energy consumption must continue to grow, until either we collapse due to energy depletion, or we create a climate incompatible with civilization.
I understood his early work but remember struggling to understand his later claim that a falling GDP would not result in falling CO2 emissions. It may have something to do with the depreciation term in the Garrett equation, which I think, but am not sure, physically represents the energy and material cost of maintaining the status quo of civilization.
I asked Dr. Garrett to clarify his claim but did not receive an answer that for me justified his claim.
Can you please explain in one sentence why a falling GDP will not result in falling CO2 emissions?
Also please explain where in the Garrett equations we arrive at the same conclusion as CACTUS that says modernity requires growth in both energy and mineral flows to not collapse, and that when this physical growth is no longer possible, modernity will end as a supernova.
Very good discussion on the profound implications of US attacking and killing Iran’s leaders while negotiating for peace.
I just found this website and am very glad I did, it can be lonely, being a collapsnik. I’m quite used to it now, but it’s good to find a place where discussing issues doesn’t come with a bucket full of denial, which is usually the case.
Nice to meet you Shadiya and welcome.
That don’t double tap 120 schoolgirls, or fisherman, or unarmed sailors.
Nor do they regularly threaten to vaporize all US citizens.
Iran has some smart leaders.
No mention of the big news for me which was Trump’s speech at the UN.
It was disgusting incompetent evil on display for 8 billion citizens to witness.
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-23
Hey Rob. Two comments.
1. That we will run out of every single non-renewing finite resource is one of those obscenely obvious facts that approximately no one has an honest relation to. That really is it. The end. I sometimes refer to Liebig’s Law of the Minimum to nudge people towards the conclusion, but nope! Maybe it’s MORT, indeed.
2. I would, however, hesitate to conclude cascading breakdown of networks inevitable leads to a simultaneous breakdown of modern civilisation everywhere on Earth. The globe is huge, and some places could manage alone quite well, albeit with some simplification, without access to the same long list of resources and tech. You know, if we ignored all the other predicaments. I think the US could build a wall and rely on oceans, existing military hardware, space and resources, and get by in a very different future for quite a while without total collapse. Might involve a civil war and they’d have to dodge nuclear war, sure.
Hi Jan, thanks for stopping by.
I don’t think you’ve internalized CACTUS yet. If you spend some more time thinking about what Hideaway has said I expect you’ll come to realize that both of your points are incorrect.
We’re not going to run out of every non-renewable resource. Some non-renewable resources are going to become too expensive or they will become unavailable due to the energy and materials and complexity required to keep them flowing. That will trigger a self-reinforcing chain reaction of other non-renewable resources becoming unavailable which will eventually end modernity everywhere because modernity depends on an integrated network of resources from 6 continents.
There will still be non-renewable resources in the ground, they just won’t flow again on this planet.
Hello Rob.
Thank you for this post. Yes.
While reading it, these concepts came back to my mind:
from https://www.sympoetic.net/Managing_Complexity/panarchy.html)
from https://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=910 and
from https://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=648)
from https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca-effect-origins-of-collapse.html?m=1)
• C.S Holling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Holling) adaptive cycles
• François Roddier 4 phases Carnot cycles applied to societies
• Ugo Bardi simple mathematical model for the Seneca cliff
All feature a steep cliff, which is unavoidable but not the whole story.
Some more related concepts to explore: panarchy, holon, holarchy (https://www.caseycripe.com/notebook/holarchy), holobiont, syntropy…
Thanks Charles.
Lots of people understand collapse is inevitable.
Few understand that modernity cannot exist without unsustainable growth of physical resource flows regardless of awareness, ethics, lifestyle choices, green living, monetary systems, political systems, etc., etc.
Few understand that collapse will be fast and permanent.
Some of your links suggest they think modernity will be cyclical. It won’t be. Modernity is a one time event per planet.
> Modernity is a one time event per planet.
That statement is incomprehensible to me.
I am probably missing something.
We have access to such a short window of time with limited intelligence.
How can we tell what lies in deep time (both directions) and deep space? What did this modernity replace?
It is said forests control the climate. Brains run on ressources available everywhere. How is life on the planet going to evolve next? (Probably more of the same according to Chris 🙂
I’m not understanding you either.
It might help to add a definition of modernity to the CACTUS summary.
We have already dug up all of the easily accessible fossil fuels and minerals. They will be gone for hundreds of millions of years, until they are renewed by geologic processes. Maybe a future species could rise to a Neolithic level of technology, but that is about it.
Steven J. Newbury, @theuaob on substack, covers pretty much the same territory as CACTUS in his Socio-Economic Thermodynamic Entropy framework, and his Resource Entropy Singularity corresponds to the CACTUS economic supernova. Newbury is not currently considered a leading light in the overshoot community, but he should be.
If un-denial were republished on substack, you would get a lot more readers, and that has the potential to get you a lot more responses.
Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future.
Like you, I find it hard to see how modernity can avoid a supernova or rapid meltdown, whatever metaphor you want to apply.
The complexity simultaneously infuses the system with a certain kind of robustness and, paradoxically, fragility. Robustness because the complexity has produced so many connections that every time one gets severed or weakened, another rises up to take its place. This robustness is actually exasperating to those of us who are rather fond of complex life and apalled at the idea of life reduced to slime and cockroaches until the sun boils what’s left of it off. But it’s a finite robustness in that new connections are not forming as fast as existing ones break. At some point something’s gotta break that leads to a cascade of entropy.
I do think Nate Hagens’ bend-not-break idea is wishful thinking. But maybe he sees a path to it that I do not.
Derrick Jensen reached the same conclusion decades ago, but I don’t think he was as systematic about his reasoning. Are you familiar with his Endgame book?
Hi Robin,
Thanks for stopping by.
I have read some of Steven Newbury’s work and I respect him. I know he believes collapse is inevitable, but I do not recall him explaining that modernity requires growth in both energy and mineral flows or else it will rapidly collapse, nor that modernity will be short lived anywhere that it emerges in the universe, nor that we are experiencing the peak of what is possible in the universe.
Can you please provide a link to where he says those things?
Here is a recent discussion we had about one of Newbury’s essays. I thought it might contain ideas to improve CACTUS, but did not see an understanding of the core CACTUS ideas.
https://un-denial.com/2026/08/01/by-el-mar-ai-chat-on-peak-oil-debitism-and-the-next-5-years/comment-page-3/#comment-122652
I’ve followed Derrick Jensen for a long time and have a lot of respect for him. He is a very good man. As with Newbury, I do not recall him explaining the things listed above.
Can you please provide a link to where he says those things?
Thanks for the suggestion about substack. I don’t want to give up the features of WordPress but I will consider copying essays from here to there.
The late Jay Hanson was well aware of all 17 of your CACTUS points. We discussed all of this for years. You had a tough time with Jay because he dismissed your pet MORT theory as being ‘just so’ stories. Of course humans would have stopped breeding long ago and gone extinct when their expanding intelligence became aware of death but they didn’t. They couldn’t stop breeding because that’s what biological species do.
We are going to turn the planet into a radioactive wasteland devoid of complex life. I am sure of it. Jay Hanson felt the same way. It would happen on any other planet that developed complex life forms and sequestered solar energy, of which there are likely many others in the vast universe. Complex life forms would inevitably evolve to exploit the energy and end up destroying themselves.
There is nothing new in your CACTUS theory. Jay Hanson was on top of this years ago.
Years ago I read most of Hanson’s work.
I agree he predicted extinction via nuclear war but do not recall him explaining that growth is a physical requirement for modernity, nor that it will end as a supernova, assuming no nuclear war.
Can you please provide a link to his work as proof of your claim.
Just to be clear, I’m not talking about all 17 points. Just the few above that I claim are new for CACTUS.
toomuchmagic … “We are going to turn the planet into a radioactive wasteland devoid of complex life.”
We very well might, especially in the Northern Hemisphere if collapse is as fast as expected from the physics. All those spent fuel pools that start burning after the water evaporates away from them.
The whole aspect of CACTUS is that collapse happens without nuclear war, or any war necessary to bring it on. Yet there probably will be wars, err more wars as blame spreads. Humans are great at blaming others for their own woes..
Basically CACTUS happens because we need an exponentially increasing amount of energy to move materials, including wastes (mine wastes, foundation wastes, not just rubbish and pollution), to just maintain the existing system.
If the existing system is not maintained then different nodes and pathways in networks of networks start to fail, one here, one over there, at an increasing rate. Eventually, as in very quickly, some of the nodes and pathways are important enough to reduce energy production and material movements, which feeds back into increasing failures of nodes and pathways.
A critical threshold is passed in nodes and pathway failures, that there is no stopping the complete unravelling of the entire system of civilization. Governments will of course intervene, but because they cannot possibly know all the different nodes and pathways of all the networks, will add to some node failures and stop some important pathways form operating in their quest to save/stop the unravelling. In other words they are likely to inadvertently increase the speed of the unravelling.
What I’ve come to the conclusion of is it’s all just physics. None of the human stories comes into it. Laws, economics, finance, trade agreements, even things like EROEI, green transitions, nuclear power, ecology, climate change and pollution are all irrelevant to the underlying physics.
So whenever I read about socio-economic ‘whatever’, it’s just part of the human story, and cannot stop, change, or delay the future finite time singularity. (This is for Robin)
Anyone that includes, macro economics, GDP, etc as part of their story about the future, doesn’t really understand CACTUS, and S Newbury uses economic language all the time.
What’s been happening for hundreds of years, is that we have been using more energy per person, using more materials per person, and moving more materials per person, further on average, just to maintain our civilization.
The growth rate of energy use has been slowing down for the last 50+ years, which has manifested into more complexity which has given us efficiency gains, to gain access to all the materials we require and materials we move, the latter especially is still growing faster than ever. If we can’t move all those materials, then we can’t maintain civilization. if we can’t maintain what we have it unravels in a chaotic way, with unexpected links and feedback loops accelerating shortages of everything.
The problem isn’t energy contraction, that just accelerates the predicament. Energy and exergy can keep growing, but if too slow for material movement X average distance moved, civilization still hits it’s finite time singularity (collapse).
I use to think, up until a few weeks ago, that the real tipping point for collapse/CACTUS would be when energy production, especially oil started to decline, however all this more recent research I’ve been doing on super-linear scaled growth, clearly shows that is not accurate, we can and will collapse if energy growth can’t keep up with materials moved growth, even after allowing for efficiency gains (which are suffering from their own laws of diminishing returns)..
I think you could have an interesting discussion, Hideaway, perhaps in private, with David Korowicz.
He did a lot of thinking about the failure of critical nodes, etc.
When asked for advice, he said: ‘If you like dogs, get one and take lots of long walks’.
Much more sensible than Nate Hagens’s endless agonizing over perspectives.
David Korowicz is a rockstar in the study of human overshoot.
I imagine a collaboration between Hideaway and Korowicz would be amazing.
Great post Rob. I’d give it a perfect ten if it weren’t for that one line.😠
No gratitude allowed! Disdain and disgust only. I command it!! Ok, I’ll also allow amusement.
https://megacancer.wordpress.com/2026/09/12/growth-and-complexity/#comment-15173
PS. Be grateful that I only have a Jesus complex. It could be much worse.
Btw, I recommend that movie. Malice (1993) – IMDb. Nothing groundbreaking. But with writer Aaron Sorkin and a cast featuring Alec Baldwin, Bill Pullman, and Nicole Kidman, how can you go wrong? First half is kinda slow, but second half turns into an Alfred Hitchcock film.
LOL!! Spooky. This has to be a sign from the universe telling me to shut my yapper. Immediately after bashing your gratitude, this clip popped up in my algorithm. Michael Dowd talking about having gob-smacked gratitude.
Good lord do I miss that man. Actually, I don’t know what I miss more. Dowd himself, or my awareness level back then.
I knew that gratitude comment would irritate you but I wanted to point to a path for appreciating life.
CACTUS is not a choice. How we respond to CACTUS is.
Amen, Rob. Thank and bless you for that reminder. That made my bonus day all the more another one to be grateful for.
What got my goat was your self-denigrating sentence, hah, adequate intelligence my ass! I appreciate your humility but remember, your first priority is honesty and we all know you are one smart cookie! (and, what’s more, having a high IQ like Trump is all we need to prevent any forthcoming disaster)
Thank you for this great summarization post. We should shrink the 17 points onto a card to keep in our wallets so we can carry it with us and refer to it at any time. May also be handy when we proselytize the CACTUS religion to possible new members.
Namaste friends.
I attemded WAF 2026. Dowd’s outtro was one of my favourite parts.
This is where we’re at.
And supposedly there’s still two more years of this shitshow to go, if this fucking idiot doesn’t do anything stupid, which he will. On a more CACTUS-related note, I have hard time imagining what it must feel like for big companies to operate in such peculiar risk environment. Even JPMorgan Chase recently admitted they have no idea how or when this will end, so good luck with any short/medium-term strategy planning.
Sarah Connor on the future of my country Canada.
Notice that my government thinks policies determine climate outcomes demonstrating that it’s staffed by the hoards of C- students I saw in university.
https://www.collapse2050.com/canada-this-is-your-future/
Tim Watkins on the special nature of diesel.
I note that the leaders of his country (UK) exhibit mRNA brain damage by doing the wrong thing to cause the Ukraine war, and now are doing the wrong thing in response to the consequences of the war.
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2026/09/22/beware-the-jevons-liebig-trap/
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-22
Good old Betteridge’s law of headlines lol