
CACTUS stands for Complexity Accelerated Collapse of a Thermodynamically Unsustainable System.
It’s originator is a retired mining engineer turned reclusive prepper named Hideaway who lives on a doomstead somewhere in Australia.
In Australia, cactus is slang for something that is ruined, broken or finished.
So yes, CACTUS is a clever name.
But does CACTUS introduce any new ideas in the science of human overshoot, or does it simply recycle old ideas previously discussed by other overshoot scholars?
When Hideaway’s CACTUS theory was first introduced about a year ago we had a few drive-by shooters who were upset that we claimed CACTUS had new ideas. Unfortunately they never stayed long enough to offer any evidence.
A few un-Denial regulars have, ever so gently, so as to not offend our beloved recluse Hideaway, suggested that other overshoot intellectuals, like for example Alice Friedemann, have previously discussed CACTUS ideas, but again, no evidence was provided.
I’m as well read on overshoot science as any chemiosmotic eukaryotic multi-cellular energy dissipater with an extended theory of mind in this universe.
I think I’m aware of all the great overshoot minds, and have read some, if not most of their work.
Having said that, I’m also an oldish guy with less than perfect memory, and adequate, but not outstanding intelligence.
To the best of my recollection I do not recall anyone clearly articulating several of the most important elements of CACTUS.
I also like to think I have good integrity which means if anyone has evidence that I’m wrong and CACTUS is indeed just a clever name for old ideas, I will retract my claim and apologize.
Let’s revisit the core ideas of CACTUS which were first summarized here.
- Modernity requires abundant minerals and energy.
- The majority of minerals and energy we use are non-renewable and finite.
- Recycling is economically and/or technically impossible for most minerals.
- For those minerals that can be recycled, there are losses in the recycling process that still result in long term depletion.
- The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first.
- Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources. For example, compare modern directional drilling now required for fracking with early oil rigs. Or the giant trucks and other machines now required to haul and process low grade copper ore.
- Rising complexity increases the materials, processes, skills, locations, and number of people needed to design, and manufacture the technologies.
- Rising complexity requires a growing market to support the increasing cost of designing and manufacturing technologies. For example, a smaller population would not buy enough phones to make a TSMC factory in Taiwan viable, and therefore the advanced chips needed for oil exploration and extraction would not exist.
- A growing market requires a growing economy and population.
- A growing economy and population increases the consumption of all minerals and energy.
- Wastes generated by the growing economy and population create increasing frictions to further growth.
- This self-reinforcing complexity growth system drives an increase in mineral and energy flows until technology, markets, and population can no longer keep up with growing waste frictions and declining reserve qualities, and a critical mineral or energy becomes unavailable in the quantities required.
- Scarcity of the critical mineral or energy triggers a system wide technology breakdown cascade because many technologies depend on it, and many other technologies depend on those technologies, via an ultra-complex network of dependencies.
- The unavailability of many technologies then causes many more mineral and energy flows to become unavailable in the quantities required because the quality of remaining reserves makes extraction difficult or impossible without the latest technologies.
- This self-reinforcing collapse of complexity, technology, and resource flows is certain at some point in the not too distant future and will result in a supernova end to modernity and civilization.
- Nothing can be done to prevent this outcome, just as nothing can be done to prevent the collapse of a star.
- It’s not possible to have modernity without infinite growth on a finite planet which means modernity will be short lived everywhere in the universe.
This summary I wrote of CACTUS is based on collating hundreds of comments by Hideaway made at various sites over several years, and is not 100% accurate, as a few corrections from Hideaway are expected, nor is it complete, as Hideaway is working hard now to incorporate the science of super-linear systems and networks of networks into his theory.
Many of the ideas in the above 17 points are of course not new, and have been widely discussed by many people.
I claim a few of the core ideas are new, or are rarely discussed. These include:
- Modernity requires growth in non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist, and this dependence is grounded in physics that cannot be changed. Many others discuss the dependence of growth on human behaviors like the maximum power principle, and human constructs like our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system, however no one until now has clearly stated that modernity must have growing non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist.
- This dependence on physical growth is profound because it implies that no form of sustainable modernity is possible anywhere in the universe. It also means that all of the many overshoot aware intellectuals that promote degrowth, steady-state, circular economies, population reduction, or a great simplification as useful responses to our overshoot predicament are wrong. That includes the most famous Limits to Growth study by Dr. Dennis Meadows et. al. which claimed we needed to stop growing to be sustainable.
- Modernity, when it emerges anywhere in the universe, will be short lived due to the previous points, and will end as a supernova. We have in the past explained this supernova behavior using a few words such as those in points 13-15 in the summary above. Hideaway has been working hard to incorporate the science of super-linearity and networks of networks to provide a more solid scientific explanation for the expected supernova collapse of modernity.
- CACTUS explains why we have not detected any aliens, and why we should have gratitude for being alive to witness a rare and fleeting peak of what is possible in the universe.
Today in a comment Hideaway gave us a preview of the essay he is working on:
When we take all the human stories out of the equation, we are left with raw physics of our system of civilization.
All the human stories ,of money, debt, religion, patents, agreements, governments, laws, contracts, etc all just function to make us get along and trust each other enough to function as a civilization in larger groupings than we otherwise would.
Ants use pheromones to get along and co-operate, money debt, contracts, laws, governments etc are our equivalent to pheromones, just way less efficient..
Coming down to just the physics to explain what happens when limits are reached, we have to understand how civilization has scaled. The raw data shows super-linear scaling in several aspects relative to each other.
Energy use has grown exponentially relative to population (growing or stagnant), that’s super-linear scaling. Material use has grown exponentially compared to energy use, again whether growing or stagnant, which is another aspect of super-linear scaling. Materials moved (not just used, includes all wastes, overburden, strip ratios of mines, lower ore grades, etc), has grown exponentially compared to materials used, again growing or stagnant, another aspect of super-linear scaled growth. Materials moved times distance moved, is also growing exponentially compared to just materials moved, so more super-linear scaling!!
Physics and math tell us that all super-linearly scaled energy dissipative systems end, in a finite time singularity, a physics and math term, meaning fast collapse or phase change. A large star going supernova in a fraction of a second after millions of years of life, is a finite time singularity.
So what happens at this singularity? Basically there is not enough energy to do all that is required to maintain the system let alone grow it, yet any area the system tries to cut back on, feeds back immediately to cut the energy available again, shrinking the system.
This is where the network of networks science comes in. Civilization is basically a network of many different networks, all interdependent upon each other. For any business it has a network of suppliers and customers, but also uses networks of logistics, communications, electricity, water, waste removal etc. Even a household has it’s own networks and interacts with the other networks like government, roads, electricity, water. Everyone of the networks is never independent of the other networks, they are interdependent.
What the science and math of network of networks show is that when you start losing some nodes in networks, the resultant feedback can magnify the effect in other networks nodes, that that lead to a cascade of collapse of all the networks, once a critical quantity of nodes are taken out. Basically the cascade of failure becomes self reinforcing.
Think of civilization as a machine, the most complex machine you can imagine. The machine is working, but you take out a wire here, then over there, then loosen a nut here, then another one over there. At some point when you have either taken out or loosened too many things, or taken out something critical, the machine just stops running. It may do so catastrophically if the wrong wire or nut was affected.
When there is not enough energy to run our civilization, it’s the same effect as pulling out random wires or undoing nuts or bolts randomly in a giant machine; it’s taking out different nodes all over the place because there is not enough energy to keep every aspect functioning, and it’s all happening very rapidly, too rapidly to be making decisions on what gets cut.
With the super-linearly scaled growth within civilization, by the time we get to where there is not enough energy for maintenance of the system, the system has looked fine up to that point, yet the energy available for the next point in time is not enough, so things unravel randomly, especially at the fastest growing aspect of energy use, which is the movement of materials. But if those materials, including waste materials can’t be moved as much, then the availability of materials used, has to decline, because we can’t get access to them, but they are needed, to produce the energy we do produce, which makes energy use fall further, faster.
Of course we humans have all the human stories, placed on top of the physical energy and materials, so use finance, money, debt, letters of credit, contracts, laws and trading agreements. These promises to each other, increasingly can’t be met, so start to lose meaning, which breaks the physical movement even more.
Realistically all the finance, laws, contracts, trade agreements, etc are just further nodes in the network of networks that are more more fragile than we consider, especially when the physical nodes start unravelling due to lack of energy.
This is of course a lot of what I’m working on in the essay, but it’s a lot to put it all together, including the maths that shows why it all collapses quickly..
The absence of discussion and understanding of CACTUS by all of the many intellectuals who discuss overshoot issues is quite remarkable. Not one famous person has even mentioned CACTUS since it was introduced a year ago, let alone explained why they think it is wrong.
I of course think this silence is explained by Dr. Ajit Varki’s Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory, which all of the famous overshoot intellectuals have also ignored since I started discussing the profound implications of MORT over 10 years ago.
Everyday I see super smart people with high integrity saying things that are so obviously wrong that no other explanation than MORT suffices.
Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is one of my favorite and most respected physicists. I’ve read her book twice and she’s made a career of calling bullshit on scientific nonsense like string theory. Yet her ignorance of CACTUS and what is physically possible, despite having a brilliant physics mind, is so embarrassing that it can only be explained by MORT.
We are using a ridiculously tiny part of earth’s resources, so at the moment we have literally barely scratched the surface, so even if resources are theoretically finite in practice we haven’t long reached the end.
But even more importantly economic growth doesn’t measure the amount of resources used because we can growth with more efficient and smarter use of resources.
And of course you can beat limits by going the Elon way off the planet.
As another recent example, world famous and respected energy expert Art Berman wrote an essay a few days ago on entropy. He does an excellent job of explaining entropy but misses the key CACTUS insight that modernity must grow or else it will collapse.
https://www.artberman.com/blog/the-entropy-fee-the-hidden-physical-cost-of-technology
The Entropy Fee: The Hidden Physical Cost of Technology
Technology is commonly seen as the defining engine of modernity and, for millions, almost as an article of faith. In this secular theology, progress is the gospel, innovation the sacrament, and technological advance the miracle expected to solve problems from climate change and disease to poverty and resource scarcity.
The expansion of technological, economic and material growth over the last 200 years is the greatest in human history. The problem is that growth adds complexity, and complexity requires energy to build, maintain and replace. Technology may increase efficiency, but those gains aren’t free. There is a physical cost that money cannot eliminate.
Today, virtually every aspect of daily life—from food and shelter to travel and communication—depends on a continuous flow of concentrated energy and electricity to sustain the metabolism of modern civilization. About 80% of that primary energy still comes from fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels are concentrated stores of chemical free energy with an extraordinary capacity to do useful work. When we burn them, some of that energy is converted into mechanical work or electricity, while the rest is ultimately dispersed as heat. The fuel itself is transformed largely into CO₂ and water and dispersed into the environment.
Energy is conserved, but its capacity to do useful work declines as entropy increases. That’s the physical-world version of the progression from box 1 to box 3 in Figure 1.
Entropy therefore describes a fundamental tendency from concentration toward dispersion. Civilization runs in the opposite direction locally. We concentrate ores into metals, assemble materials into machines and buildings, move supply chains across continents, and organize matter into increasingly elaborate technological systems. None of this violates the second law of thermodynamics because maintaining that local order requires a continuous flow of usable energy while producing still more entropy elsewhere.
Technology does not float independently above civilization as invention, innovation or creativity. It is embedded in civilization’s physical metabolism. The device gets smaller, the transaction faster and the human effort lower—but the supporting network often becomes larger and more complex.
Technology compresses what we see while accelerating the energy and material throughput we don’t see.
That’s the trap. Complexity itself has a maintenance cost—the entropy fee. Technology cannot free us from this cycle because it both enables and depends on continuous energy and material throughput. Entropy and complexity are therefore embedded in growth.
Technological solutions to resource and environmental constraints often add new components, infrastructure and dependencies that must themselves be built, powered, maintained and eventually replaced. When those dependencies encounter limits of their own, further technological solutions are required. Complexity compounds upon complexity, increasing the system’s maintenance burden and consuming a growing share of the usable energy and resources that might otherwise be available for additional growth.
That is the complexity trap. Growth adds technology and infrastructure; technology adds complexity; and complexity requires continuing flows of energy and materials to maintain it. Efficiency can reduce the cost of particular tasks, but it cannot eliminate the physical cost of maintaining the larger system. More complexity means more to build, coordinate, repair and replace.
The result resembles the Red Queen effect at civilization scale: “it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.” An increasing share of society’s effort must simply maintain the organized complexity it has already created.
This is not a mistake or a catastrophe, nor is it simply the result of bad policy or too many regulations. It is a physical consequence of maintaining a complex civilization of more than eight billion people. Technology is not an abstraction. It is organized matter doing useful work, and organized matter has a physical cost.
That makes this less a problem to be solved than a predicament to understand.
Notice that Berman correctly understands modernity requires energy and material flows to maintain itself, but he does not understand that modernity requires growing energy and material flows to not collapse.
I know from reading and listening to many of Berman’s excellent podcasts and essays that he believes that energy depletion will soon cause lifestyles to simplify back to something like the 1950’s when we used less energy but still had comfortable lives.
His understanding is as wrong as that of Dr. Dennis Meadows, and pretty much all of the other overshoot thought leaders.
So no, CACTUS is not just a clever name for old well understood ideas.
https://sofiapinedaochoa.substack.com/p/attack-of-the-crocodiles-who-is-invading
Attack Of The Crocodiles: Who Is Invading Whom?
Crocodile attacks are on the rise, but is the problem too many crocodiles or too many humans?
Same with so many other “problem” animals, a sad reality
Someone else noticed.
Jeff Currie is pissed and worried about the extreme disconnect between market reality and price of oil.
How do they manipulate the price?
P.S. Berman seems to think oil market price reflects the reality of supply & demand.
Looks like a long term shortage to me. Shame, one of the best prepping items.
Yesterday I noticed canned tuna is now also low in stock.
Why are sardines out of stock in my grocery stores?
Dried beans and canned beans now low on stock.
What I’ve learned from Covid is that since the stock of goods in supply chains is so low relative to the flow, products will disappear from shelves before their price hits some elevated equilibrium price. Especially with food that spoils, marking it up higher than what the consumer is willing to buy in the short term is a recipe for unsold goods. The efficient market hypothesis where you can rationally price a good based on its scarcity has a psychological lag to it. During that lag, shelves go bare.
Hello Rob,
I am relieved to know that at least you’re pretty well stocked up, that’s good planning and foresight for you! It did occur to me that this scenario of stocks of just about anything worth anything running completely dry in short order applies to just about everything that the awakening masses will perceive as useful. All is does take is just a small percentage increase in consumers of that particular product and the supply chain isn’t set up to cope.
You’re mad about sardines, and I’m a bit of an obsessive about stocking up on seeds. I’m beginning to see this in the seed catalogues and online sources that I use, lots of items are selling out faster in the season than usual and what’s more, the seed packets now contain a fraction of the number of seeds one used to get, and of course the price for some has doubled (or more, for F1 hybrid varieties). I have been sucked into buying 5 tomato seeds of a certain type with disease resistant attributes for nearly $10, of course that would be cheap if even one of those plants gave a decent harvest in times of scarcity. Once more people wake up to the food security issue, including the large population living in the cities where obtaining any level of sufficiency isn’t even ultimately feasible, the stocks of things like garden tools, seeds, fertilizers, potting mix, pots, will fly off the shelves in your local hardware/garden center and who knows when they will be replaced, only to be scarfed up again just as quickly.
Of course in the best of worlds, I would be trying to develop landrace varieties of food plants to be the most robust in our climate and not rely on seeds originating from others and therefore have the best open-pollinated cultivars from which we can save our own seed from year to year instead of growing hybrids which do not grow true from their fruits’ seeds. Just the other day, Canadian Prepper interviewed this gentleman who has dedicated 10 plus years in developing hardy varieties of food plants, an inspiring mission for sure.
Alas, I did not have this foresight and the time, land, and effort it would take to develop this skill which takes long experience are being overtaken by so many other demands as we race into collapse. And I can hear Charles’ ever patient, encouraging and gentle voice telling me that it isn’t too late!
It’s the same reasoning as that for now, it’s easier and way less energy intensive to just buy food to stock up now when we can, instead of investing the energy to grow or obtain it from the source. An analogy is Rob designing and building the best sardine fishing boat (which I am sure he can do given the resources and time!) and sail into the ocean himself to haul up his catch (let’s not think of how he would preserve it, no need to get too pedantic since it’s a fairy tale anyway!)
Namaste, friends. Enjoy these last few days of September and let us greet October with eyes wide open, ready for a surprise?
Seeds are a lot smarter than sardines Gaia.
The farm I help has a big inventory of seeds and practices seed saving for some crops so I tag along without having to think too much about the issue in return for building and maintaining their infrastructure, pruning, and helping with the harvest.
The farm does not grow any animal protein so I stock quite a bit knowing that some day I may have to switch to being mostly vegetarian.
Do you have a solution for potatoes when some day you can’t buy seed potatoes?
I few years ago I read that a company was doing research on commercializing potato seeds and hoped to have them on the market soon but I haven’t heard anything about it since.
Potato seeds would be very useful when supply chains break down.
I think you do more than your share in earning seed points at the farm, Rob! Once again, your modesty outdoes you, “tag along” indeed! I am sure the farm was more than grateful for your hazelnut harvest effort this year, that was dedicated work!
My idea for potatoes was to try to keep as many tubers as dark, dry and cool as possible from my current crop to use as seed tubers for the next season. If only you could come over to engineer a solar powered coolstore room made from all recycled materials! I am thinking about keeping another fridge going just for that purpose. From my experiments this year so far, some of the potatoes that I thought were determinate (meaning they produce tubers mainly at ground level where you planted the original potato tuber) were actually indeterminate types (the ones that benefit from constant hilling up of soil as they continue to produce all along the stem) and vice versa. So the yield on some was woeful but my main crop (all grown in bags) is just dying down now and hopefully will produce a good return (aiming for 8 potatoes for every one planted). It is very interesting that many of the potatoes varieties I planted never even produced flowers before the leaves started naturally withering after 3 months, so no chance of getting seeds from them if we don’t even have the flower stage. I wonder if it depends on the climate and daylight hours where I’m planting, as in the subtropics here the day/night hours are more even throughout the year and maybe to encourage flowering needs shorter daylight?
I know I’ve waxed lyrical in the past about a wide range of tubers and I am still very much invested in them, believing that they are best return on calories for amount of effort and many do grow well in subtropical climates. As for animal protein, well, my body has survived on none from that source for 25 years, so I reckon it can keep going for a bit longer. I do know the importance of nuts and seeds however, but they are challenging as you know. Thankfully, we have lots of avocado in this area and interestingly, many tropical fruits have edible, starchy and fatty seeds.
Thank you Rob for all your interest and encouragement for all our many endeavours. It’s so life-affirming to meet up here to compare notes and rejoice together in our many discoveries and victories.
I forget the reason, but its really hard to grow potatoes from seed, hence no one does it. I was excited when I heard someone might have solved the problem.
Why is it difficult to grow potatoes from seed?
Gemini:
“Growing potatoes from true botanical seed—known as True Potato Seed (TPS), which comes from the small, tomato-like berries produced by flowering potato plants—is notoriously tricky compared to planting clonal “seed potatoes” (tubers).
The difficulty boils down to genetics, plant biology, and time.
1. High Genetic Heterozygosity (Extreme Unpredictability)
Commercial potato varieties (Solanum tuberosum) are tetraploid (they have four sets of chromosomes) and highly heterozygous.
2. Microscopic Sprouts & Slow Early Growth
Potato seeds are tiny—roughly the size of petunia or eggplant seeds.
3. Tuberization Timing & Low First-Year Yields
Potato tubers form in response to day length, temperature, and plant maturity.
4. Toxicity Risks (Solanine Content)
Wild potatoes and unselected TPS offspring frequently produce high concentrations of glycoalkaloids (solanine and chaconine) in both their leaves and tubers.
Before the invention of refrigeration, how did peasants save seed potatoes for the next season?
Gemini:
“Before mechanical refrigeration, storing seed potatoes (Solanum tuberosum) through the winter without losing them to freezing, rot, or premature sprouting was critical for survival. Peasants across Europe and North America developed low-tech, highly effective methods that relied on geothermal insulation, controlled ventilation, and precise handling.
Seed potatoes require three environmental conditions to remain viable until spring planting:
Peasants achieved these conditions using several distinct traditional methods:
1. Clamp Storage (Pits or Earth Mounds)
The most widespread method for field storage was the potato clamp (also called a “pie,” “cave,” or “dick” depending on the region). This required no permanent structures.
2. Root Cellars and Earth Cavities
Where permanent housing existed, peasants built root cellars directly into banks of earth or beneath home floors.
3. Preparation and Pre-Storage Curing
Storing seed potatoes successfully depended heavily on how they were handled before going underground:
4. Late-Winter “Chitting” (Greening)
As winter turned to early spring, keeping potatoes dormant became difficult as ambient temperatures rose. Peasants turned this to their advantage through chitting:
Because we have a mild climate in NZ., we can just leave the potatoes in the ground where they grew, and only harvest them as we need them
Hello, another thing about preventing psyllid pest, much comes down to farmer practices. This is the main reason we lose seed potatoes. Plenty of good research being done on this in NZ
https://www.lincoln.ac.nz/news-and-events/psyllid-peril-to-potato-prosperity-lincoln-university-research-saves-a-canterbury-crop-crisis/
As you can probably tell I love potatoes
This guy William is trying to breed true-to-seed potatoes. He is also trying to reproduce potatoes without blight.
https://www.cultivariable.com/about-us/
Good interview about his work: https://rss.com/podcasts/goingtoseed/1180707/
This substack and podcast has heaps of good collapse and plant breeding information https://recombinationnation.substack.com/
The video you posted Gaia is excellent.
Dr. Shane Simonsen really knows his stuff, and he offered lots of inspiring ideas and hope for young people thinking about growing food.
I liked his confidence that determined people can quickly develop new varieties for there local environment without any fancy technology.
He said some researchers proved it is possible to re-create wheat from its ancestors in only 5 years using nothing but a paint brush for cross pollination.
He also discussed potato seeds and answered the question I was wondering about.
He has a podcast titled Recombination Nation that looks promising and I’ve subscribed.
The book he wrote titled Our Vitreous Womb using the pen name Haldane B. Doyle sounds promising.
The book envisions a civilization 30,000 years in the future where the only tools they have for solving problems are biology and culture.
I’ll try reading it on my next camping trip.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/175483265-our-vitreous-womb
Hello Rob,
Wow, what a fruitful exchange today, thank you so much for sharing all that potato knowledge in the previous posts, and I am so chuffed that you liked the video. I know how much you respect integrity in people and Dr. Simonsen really walks his talk, I’m so thankful to have discovered his presence, too. This is exactly the information more people need to know, and more to the point, need to know that they need to know! Let us hope it won’t be lost to the younger generations whose survival will depend on knowledge as this. More and more I am filled with wonder and gratitude for all the hard earned wisdom and experience our ancestors have gathered and increased over the millennia, even as I resign myself that our current world plight (blight?) has grown from the seeds so early sown. It all truly is a cycle, birth, growth, death, and the beginning again, and never the same.
Back to the spuds, being in the wet subtropics I thought it would be difficult to keep a root cellar situation going successfully, but now I am realising that the potato farmers here seem to do several crops a year because the temps are mild. So maybe the best solution is just to try keeping some potatoes growing and take the seed tubers as needed. Of course, there’s always disease to worry about, especially with the varieties we have today as they don’t have the genetic variability to adapt. It’s really amazing how many diseases the solanum family of vegetables (including potatoes, tomatoes, capsicum, eggplant) are susceptible to.
I know there are many very experienced potato (and tomato) growers amongst us here, hope your harvests this year have been a bumper one whatever your climate!
Namaste, friends.
Hey Gaia,
we have been digging up potatoes lately here in northern rivers NSW. Seed potatoes were hard to get so I ended up planting some potatoes from the supermarket. They seem to have done as well as the seed potatoes we saved and managed to buy.
We grew Aussie white, a red, nicola and king edwards (from saved potatoes) and Delaware seed potatoes. They all grew well.
I now just picking some swedes Best of All variety. They are very smooth textured with a sweet mild flavour. Quite nice raw in a salad.
Thanks for the video link. I has started our own landrace tomato which is going well. It is a cherry tomato with a good sized fruit on it, about 3cm in diameter. Great flavour, disease and pest resistant.
I was told the grocery store potatoes here won’t work as seed because they spray them with something to stop them from sprouting.
I sold 40lbs of the Sieglinde I harvested this year because I had too much to eat in normal times. Waiting another month to see if SHTF as I expect. If things stay normal I’ll sell another 40 lbs.
My first batch was store bought potatoes (I should have at least used organic ones but I thought I would just experiment) and a good percentage rotted before getting going and then also I didn’t know exactly what type they were so I hilled them up in the bag mistakenly and then the stems rotted. So that was an abject failure all around but I’m still not quite sure if the main reason was the store bought potatoes, the extreme wet weather we had at the time of planting, or the wrong method of growing–most likely all three!
It is very humbling that even to grow the humble spud, there definitely are certain knowledge and skill required!
Your favourite Sieglinde potatoes sound wonderful, and lucky people who can benefit from your harvest! If only monk and I didn’t live in the other hemisphere, I’m sure we would be happy customers!
If you buy certified organic potatoes from a shop they shouldn’t have had anything put on them, nor be dipped to stop them from sprouting.
That’s awesome, niko, thanks for sharing your potato harvest in words, almost as good as pictures but of course you get the best outcome by eating them! I am growing all of our potatoes in bags and containers this year as it was just too wet here to put them into the ground over the autumn/winter. It will be interesting to see how they go, I can “bandicoot” some now but I wanted to see how big the tubers can get by leaving them as long as possible.
Our wild tomatoes here seem to be rather small cherries but since they come up everywhere and fruit for a good long time, I shouldn’t complain.
I trust your back is getting back in shape and I’m sure your regular exercise routine will do wonders to keep it that way. The warmer weather and extra sunshine always helps.
All the best to you and your family.
> And I can hear Charles’ ever patient, encouraging and gentle voice telling me that it isn’t too late!
Yes. Exactly 🙂
Don’t be hard on yourself: just keep some seeds one year to another and watch what happens. (Not necessary to bring in all the diversity in the first year, you can add as you go)
Just keep and select for whatever you like.
We have to talk about that sense of urgency, the deadlines, the fear, and the effect it produces on the outcome, our choices, our psyche 🙂
Imagine when the majority of the population is going to experiment, play like Dr Shane Simonsen. And exchange…
Best.
Karl Miller is the ghost writer on energy issues for Larry Johnson.
Good update on diesel.
https://sonar21.com/americas-diesel-surplus-is-an-illusion/
No matter how one looks at it, Australia comes out the loser. On one hand I can’t comprehend why we haven’t been rationing here yet but logistically, we don’t have the storage capacity so rationing would just create the panic that would domino the collapse we’re all desperately burying our heads into the sand to avoid. Diesel here is now nearing $3/litre, with everything going up along with it. With rising interest rates, I can’t imagine how a typical household can absorb the death by a thousand cuts cost rises coming from all quarters, especially for those with mortgages.
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-27
Rob I need you to correct part of the initial essay, I’m not a retired mining engineer, nor was ever a mining engineer. I’ve been investing in mining for decades, since I learned about Limits to growth and have a little bit of tertiary geology in my background.
Do you want to provide a few words on your real profession, or leave it blank?
I’ve been a teacher, a fuel station attendant, a 50% owner of a small manufacturing business, farm owner (still), state secretary of an organic growing group, professional tree arborist, builder of our own house from adobe, where we did everything ourselves, chairman of various government/community groups, investor for decades, all while searching for how civilization could be sustainably maintained, over the last 50 years, and never finding a realistic answer.
I’ve known some top level mining engineers, some of the world’s top geologists, from just meeting them at a few AGMs of companies and having some long conversations outside of those meetings, people in charge of multiple, multi billion dollar projects, been onsite at different mines etc, but no I’m not a mining engineer..
Probably best to just leave it blank, you know, jack of all trades, master of …
Hey Hideaway,
we definitely share a few things in common, I too have been a teacher, farm owner, professional tree arborist, built most of my house and farm. I like being a jack of all trades too, I think it enables better pattern recognition and novel solutions to problems.
Hello Hideaway, niko and all friends here,
It really is a great honour to be in the presence of so much talent and more importantly, people who are so dedicated and earnest in living their authentic selves. Everyone here fits into that with their own unique set of stories, stories which I will always crave hearing more about!
All the best, everyone.
I remember someone saying that the most important indicator for trouble is a rising interest rate.
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-26
I seem to remember from some time ago when Gail Tverberg said that the two most important indicators were interest rates and the price of oil. When only one is going up it’s OKish, both going up is tricky (in a bad way). As in all things these days I tend to think we’re going to find out soon enough.
There’s so much conflicting information on Hormuz shipments that it’s difficult to know what to believe.
I trust this guy. He says global shipping is a big mess and oil shipments remain far below normal.
B aka The Honest Sorcerer recently published two articles recently on possible futures. None of them mention CACTUS directly, or the feedback loops that could cause it.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/what-futures-are-possible-part-i
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/what-futures-are-possible-part-ii
Lego propaganda is much more sophisticated.
Rintrah’s back with a deep deep dive into Fauci’s deep state bioweapon mistake that keeps on giving, and that none of our “leaders” discuss.
Remember, not one person has been held to account for murdering 20+ million people, with more to come.
Rintrah uses an AI without guardrails that is smarter than he is at microbiology to explain what’s going on, both of which are WAY smarter than I am at microbiology.
https://www.rintrah.nl/a-permanent-gain-in-sars-cov-2s-intrinsic-fitness/
B continues his painting of possible futures.
It seems he liked my lens metaphor for CACTUS but not its conclusions.
Definitely a Hagens disciple hiding behind a blizzard of scenarios to avoid reality.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/what-futures-are-possible-part-ii
Kobeissi is way behind the curve here.
China’s collapse in Iranian crude imports—and the shift toward Iraq, UAE, Brazil and Canada—has been evident for weeks.
That isn’t the story anymore.
The real questions are why China is restraining purchases, how long it lasts, and what Beijing is trying to accomplish.
@KobeissiLetter should stay in its lane which is clearly NOT energy.
Worth 1 minute of your time.
I used to really dislike Tucker Carlson. I called him “angry bowtie man” for a long time. I can’t say I agree with much of what he says on domestic policy, but he seems to have stuck to his guns on a few key items like anti-covid vaccine mandates and opposition to foreign wars. Now that he’s publicly breaking away from trump, I’m curious to see what that does to Trump’s base, since he’s one of their “thought leaders”. I have noticed that the people I knew who were pro trump in the last election have been completely silent about him since the Iran war, which is good because I never was able to get them to shut up no matter how long I ignored them at social gatherings.
I think Trump lost the lunatic fringe when his ties to Epstein became so clear nobody could deny them. That was always a secondary issue for most republicans though because it’s hard to draw any definitive conclusions with certainty given the information we have (although there are strongly supported inferences you can make). The rest of the base got shut down with the Venezuela operation and now the floundering Iran war. Both occured in such rapid succession that nobody can claim trump is reigning in the “deep state” or “is keeping us out of disastrous foreign wars”.
Ultimately though what really matters is rising gas & food prices since those are the numbers most people actually care about. If i’ve learned one thing about american politics, you can trample on the constitution and threaten to end the world on a whim, but you lose your mandate when gasoline crosses $4 a gallon.
The real question is if 2 years is enough for everyone to forget how much of an embarrassment Biden & Harris were.
A lot of people I follow, including me, had high hopes for Trump on MAHA, draining the swamp, no war, spending, and Epstein justice. He failed on everything. Every single person I follow deeply regrets they voted for Trump.
Many feel betrayed. Betrayal is a much stronger emotion that dislike. Many people are now working to destroy him.
I remember in 2016 when he was still an unknown quantity thinking something similar, but he betrayed all of his campaign promises then as well, albeit not as dramatically, so I had a lot of trouble taking him seriously in his subsequent runs. In hindsight his policies from 2016-20 were pretty middle of the road republican. His recent descent into blatant corruption with no consequences reads to me as the payout from the establishment for just doing everything they tell him.
The rot is disturbingly widespread.
Trump threatened to kill all of the citizens of Iran with a nuclear weapon, multiple times, including at the UN, which is a war crime, and pretty much every western leader, including my country Canada, remained silent.
How is this possible? It’s a very scary trend.
As I get older it just gets clearer to me that there’s a global business elite that runs most of the world. The UN has no power at all because they have no coercive strength to enforce their laws. It’s just a charade. Real decisions are made out of public view. Trump is allowed to be a clown because whatever he’s doing, it’s accretive to the powers that be. If it weren’t they’d remove him, or release what I can only imagine is a mountain of blackmail they have on the guy.
In terms of reform and “draining the swamp”, I just don’t think that the republican party is able to do anything like that. Sure, it has its outspoken libertarian members, but the pro-business ideology that the vast majority of the republican higher ups and base has is incompatible with any change to the system other than further deregulation and corporate welfare.
Any significant social change has to come from the left wing, at least in the US. It’s just a basic fact that using the government to change things is going to anger existing business interests, which the republicans aren’t keen on doing. MAHA is a great example. I don’t have a window into Kennedy’s soul, but i’d imagine he’s probably still anti-vaccine and pro-eating healthy, but has been coerced to the point where he has to play ball with big business because big-ag and big-pharma are huge campaign donors. It’s just a political reality that the republican party won’t risk losing those power blocs to the democrats.
But ya, don’t take me as a Democrat either, they’ve spent the last 40 years betraying the progressive wing of the party every chance they’ve gotten.
The only things that will change the US are a revolution or an economic collapse.
Unfortunately i think you’re right.
Sabine H really tickled me when she called for less ‘red tape’ in Europe and more fast-tracking of innovative Tech.
Well, the EU and UK certainly fast-tracked all the Covid vaccines , no obstacles put in the way of innovation there….
I keep track of what “smart” people say about covid.
Sabine’s been silent on the covid crimes.
Jesus Christ, Hagens is looking as old as me.
He still does not understand CACTUS because he thinks a great simplification (aka 50% downshift) is possible.
Many men in their late 50’s and early 60’s don’t realise that the unshaven stubble look is terribly ageing if the hairs are white.
It conveys ‘old man who can’t be bothered to shave’ to the world.
Full beard or shave properly is the moral!
I will remember that tip.
I can’t be bothered shaving and I don’t give two flying fucks what people think of me with my greying stubble.
🤣😂👍
Kissing stubble is the worst!
Energy backed debt is the real global hegemon.
Love those spunky Houthis. They don’t take no shit from the empire.
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-25
Didn’t take long for the Iran lego crew to respond.
They run circles around the empire’s propaganda team.
Second triple long espresso is kicking in. This never gets old.
An even better version with 5 million views.
Here she is this year.
New one from Chiara.
She is so full of joy. Love it every time I see it.
This you can’t do on substack, is that correct?
In an essay I can embed a YouTube video.
But in comments they appear as links that take you to the YouTube site for viewing.
Several people have suggested that un-Denial might get more traction if it was located on Substack.
I resisted the idea because most of the design and features I’ve implemented on WordPress cannot be replicated on Substack.
I had a fresh look at my site today and see that a lot of it has become dated. I’ve learned a lot over the last 10 years and much of what I believed when I started this site I now know is not true.
I’ve copied all of the posts from un-Denial to Substack. Unfortunately it’s not possible to copy comments from WordPress to Substack which is a shame because 95% of the value of un-Denial is in the comments.
I haven’t decided what to do. Options include:
Have a look at un-Denial on Substack and let me know your preferred path.
https://undenial.substack.com/
Oh my goodness Rob, it’s far too late (or early!) in the day (night) to contemplate what seems to me a complete jumble of possibilities. I have to chuckle, you are so thorough to present every possible option, and for some reason the way you put it reminds me of those choose your own ending adventure books I used to read as a kid, haha! I’m going to go for my tried and true method–when in doubt, (and things aren’t broken), do nothing! I recall me (and a few others here) being dragged kicking and screaming into this new version of WordPress and now that I’m used to it, I will probably resist going through any major changes again!
But of course I will go along with whatever you think is best and that’s really the only opinion you need. We will all follow our captain wherever he leads! Thank you for taking care of us the whole way.
Good night for you now, I hope.
Do you follow a bunch of people on Substack?
If yes, then you might prefer that un-Denial moves to Substack so that you can do all your reading and commenting at one site.
If no, then it’s probably a decision based on aesthetic tastes and how well the Substack commenting system works (which I have very little knowledge or experience with).
Since un-Denial is all about the comments, suggest we pay close attention to the Substack commenting system before making a decision.
Good morning Rob (it’s way past your bedtime now so you must be reading this with your first or second cup of your elixir of life). Forgive me for making my comment without even checking out the new site for deeper consideration, I got so nervous about the possibility of change that my first instinct was to dig my heels in to keep what is known and safe–that’s the power of denial for you!
Of course curiosity got the better of me after reading our friends’ enticing comments and I popped onto Substack and wow, it is rather attractive, sexy almost! You will be even more popular with porn bots now! Thank you for all of your hard work and I admire all the more your thoughtfulness and dedication in doing everything you can to reach out to the great unwashed masses, you are a true prophet (of doom). I am trying to be serious here but at this time of night (soon it will be my turn to be a night owl) I start getting goofy (no alcohol required).
I totally agree with you, no matter what the outer appeal, what means the most to us as a family here is the ability to communicate so freely and in continuity, and I have absolutely no idea what it’s like to comment on any other platform because god’s my witness, I have never commented elsewhere but here (I am a most faithful disciple, oh great prophet). I know how much I appreciate the easy replies to each others’ comments here, now that I have been completely converted to the current formatting. The ability to register likes (not so much the dislikes) seems to keep us happy, too, and many here are already registered on WordPress (not me, however! Just assume that Gaia likes everything, especially those Butler posts, haha, bro!) And I know how much I enjoy the wall of fame quotes always framing our conversations, it would be a shame to lose that much loved feature. I guess I’m just old-fashioned in wanting to keep the past going, everything about this current site is like a well-loved piece of old furniture for me and I feel very cozy and comfortable here.
My sentiments aside, the main consideration is what your goal is for your site and mission. I have a feeling that there are many more lurkers (I have accepted that this term is not necessarily unsavory) here than you think and we have already been visited by a wide range of overshoot aware bloggers as well as aliens (all friendly, I’m sure). And we do get their comments from time to time. I know it took me a few months after finding this tribe to get up the gumption to comment, mainly because I thought I was totally in over my head with the subject matter since I was a relatively newbie to the doomsphere. As Christ often reminds us, this is a pretty hardcore group and can be a bit intimidating, but I’m sure that’s also the attraction for some, too. So, a Substack presence may or may not increase noticeable traffic but then again, you’ll never know unless you try.
I am now gravitating towards option number #3, that is starting a fancy new shop front with alluring window dressing as well as substance (Substack) but the real action and conversation takes place in the cozy family apartment upstairs (current site). Those who want to comment will find us and those who just want to sample the goods can do so, too. Am I making any sense? I feel a bit giddy at the moment for some reason, maybe it’s the aftereffects of my reply to Christ. That’s another reason that I feel more comfortable with keeping this Word Press format for comments at least, somehow I am suddenly shy about opening up to a whole new possible audience where here I feel completely accepted and supported. It really is like family here. You have been so generous in creating a safe space where we can share just about anything (and believe me, I have, remember my toilet hygiene post?)
Anyway, looking forward to seeing what others think, one thing for sure, you are more appreciated than you can ever know and it’s so good we can tell you every chance we get.
By the way, all this exposure business will be moot soon anyway once Uncle Hideaway unveils his latest doctrine of CACTUS. It’s a bit like awaiting Moses coming down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments. It will become the newest and most true religion, and I am sure there will be masses of converts. You see, I wouldn’t have said that sacrilege in a million years to a new and unknown audience, even though I usually have Christ on my side already, being my bro.
Enough already, have a great start to the day and much love and gratitude to you.
Namaste all friends.
First cup. 🙂
Thanks for sharing good observations.
I did copy the favorite quotes to a new page on Substack which can be accessed via a link in the left sidebar however they are not visible all the time, and it will be impossible to know when a new quote has been added.
https://undenial.substack.com/p/favorite-quotes
I’ve done some testing on the Substack commenting features which you can see here and it’s very primitive.
Plain text only, no embeds, no searching comments, no attaching images or documents to comments.
A feature I will miss a lot is marking comment text as a quotation so it is clear that it is written by someone else or an AI.
There is no indication a comment has been edited and changed by the author.
I need one of you to post a comment so I can test my ability to edit the comments of others, which I do all the time here to fix small errors so everyone looks as a good as possible.
God forbid, you can like your own comments!! Christ will go wild with this feature.
I can’t post comments under the Nic of HideAway on substack, as I once did subscribe to someone’s comments, using a fake name and email address, years ago and the Nic of HideAway.
Now I’ve forgotten, changed computers where that was registered, or whatever. It claims that the Nic HideAway is currently used, so my attempt at posting on the comments page failed.
Maybe try HideAway999 ? 🙂
Wow Rob – this is very impressive. And Although I do get where Gaia is coming from with the do nothing angel, I can’t help but think that now you have gone to the trouble of putting all these essays there in chronological order that is a huge value add.
I think that I would not want to be commenting on substack, only because I hate being in an environment where i can get distracted and start looking at other things. Part of the appeal of un-denial is that it is a closed or defined space, and I get enough news and updates from you, all that I need.
BUT – there is value in bringing cactus awareness to a much wider audience, and even though you have tried and failed in the past, and don’t expect any change, I still think that leaving the comments on for newbies and chance traffic, might be good – but then it might make a whole pile of work for you, that you dont want!?
So perhaps no comments to start with. That’s my 2 cents worth. And seeing all those essays in a single line like that, already makes me curious to open up a few I have not read, it is more appealing navigation that’s for sure, I think our brains are not used to old school wordpress sites any more. You would have to be very dedicated to comb through the site as it is now (which I did a lot of when I first landed here)
Anyway – well done, I am sure you used some slick automated process to get this done so fast.
Thanks Renaee,
In case you are not aware you can see a list of all posts on this site here:
https://un-denial.com/posts-2/all-posts-1-100/
We could leave commenting on on both sites as you suggest, but then we’d need agreement from the regulars on where we’ll do our main discussions.
I was aware of that list, but with the little teaser and the picture, it’s still more engaging. Agree – let’s see what everyone else reckons, I have a feeling Christ will have strong views, but cannot predict what they will be!
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That’s a big effort Rob. Looks good on Substack. I subscribe to a few writers there. The feature I do like about Substack is the auto reader so I can listen to posts when I’m on the go. I note you haven’t enabled that initially. I don’t know if that feature comes at a cost. Not sure if WordPress has that as an optional feature. Tim Watkins site has an embedded reader which I use to listen to most of his articles. I like this current WordPress version of Un-denial but it will be interesting to see if you do get a wider engagement over on Substack. Maybe trial posting and allowing comments on both for a month and see how it goes.
Cheers
Thanks Campbell,
There is no setting for Text-to-Speech on Substack. It should be turned on by default but the feature is apparently only available in the iOS and Android apps, not the website.
I don’t think authors can use it on their own posts. Maybe one of you can try it in the app?
I’m on the Android app and your posts don’t have the “Listen” option. Most, not all, people I follow have the Listen option. Apparently Substack has stopped that feature for new accounts.
From Gemini..
“According to Substack’s official support team updates, text-to-speech (TTS) is no longer available as an option to enable for new Substack publications. The platform has completely paused the rollout of this feature, meaning it is permanently grandfathered only for older, select accounts that already had it active.
Because it is completely discontinued for new accounts, waiting or hitting certain subscriber/time milestones will not unlock it. If you want to give your subscribers an audio option, you must use the Voice Over feature.”
There are workarounds that enable you to upload audio files generated by various text to speech tools but that may be too much hassle… more complexity to keep the system going 😉
Thanks for adding the feature here. Voice is a bit robotic but perfectly adequate for me.
I like option 3 too.
Cheers
Thanks for doing the research.
There are at least 6 different text to speech plugins available for WordPress. I chose what looked like the most popular.
There are a gazillion more features in the paid version, most importantly user selected voices.
It costs $40 per month in case one of you is rich and really want a British or Aussie accent.
https://gspeech.io/?referrer=wordpress.com#pricing
I might be able to get it down to $10 a month if I switch to a different plugin.
I’ve added a text to speech plugin to this WordPress site.
I’m a cheap bastard so it’s the free version and I can’t change the voice to something better, like for example a British accent that sounds intellectual but is actually a pompous prick.
The free version is limited to 50,000 characters per month so it may occasionally stop working if lots of you use it.
I’d recommend option 3.
I’ve created a temporary post on Substack that we can use to test the commenting system.
Suggest we create a bunch of nonsense comments to test all the features.
The post will eventually be deleted.
https://undenial.substack.com/p/temporary-post-for-testing-the-substack
As you think about the Substack option and what we should do, if your preference is to stay with WordPress don’t hesitate to suggest improvements to the old site.
I am willing to consider changing the design, deleting stuff, etc.
Hey Rob,
for me the site is all about the comments as posts are not frequent but comments and observations are. I much prefer here to substack but will obviously go where we all go to comment.
Good to see your still about. You’ve been quiet lately
I have been very busy on the farm. To the point of putting out my back fairly badly so now spending some time in bed and therefore on the net. Recovering thanks to pain meds taking the edge off.
Sorry about your back problems. Hope you heal soon.
As someone too well acquainted with back pain, and know way too much about it, I wish you a speedy recovery.
Any questions or advice about what to do, if required, I’d be only too happy to help, include running any “advice” you get from doctors etc.
In regards to backs, I’ve found doctors similar to economists, ask 3 for an opinion and get 5 answers..
Thanks for the concerns guys much appreciated. Nearly off the pain killers just taking a little ibuprofen now. I did this once before about a year ago where one side of my sacroiliac joint goes into spasm and pulls my hips out of alignment. It usually takes about two weeks to get back to normal with rest, drugs initially and then stretches and exercises.
I thought I was keeping up the core strength exercises enough but it would appear not. I am definitely going to make self care a priority with my time. It is not a good feeling looking at your farm knowing you can’t actually do anything that needs doing. Luckily my partner is able to get the routine things done without me but we would hate to think what we would do if she was out of action at the same time.
We are blessed though with a great set of friends who are happy to help out if we are over run by circumstances. Community is such an important thing to keep going in both the immediate real world and our virtual community here.
SIJ, again something I know too much about. I get an SIJ cortizone injection around every 12-15 months, and have had a couple of emergency extra ones also, over the last 10-12 years.
They really work well for me, and quickly, don’t be scared to try it, but afterwards get back into doing things slowly. I’ve had the emergency ones around 3 months after the more regular ones after trying to do too much too quickly.
SIJ problems are usually from a couple of really short ligaments that have stretched too much, which allow the joint to move a bit more than it’s meant to, creating pain and other problems.
Certainly not fun, but always remember to get back into whatever slowly. I tend to find car travel especially aggravating, likewise sitting too long, and a sudden bump lurch forward (on tractor) is what can set mine off badly.
I’ve been using a Serola belt for longer car travel or too much sitting and it does take pain away from my right SIJ pain, from too long in car or sitting too much, but does something not so nice around my left hip (metal one, replaced 12 years ago). Can’t have everything..
thanks Hideaway.
Haven’t had to get cortizone yet for SIJ, I have for my shoulder. I wear a belt too at times to keep it all stable.
The thing that has helped the most is doing planks, front, side and back bridges. With each one you lift one leg of the ground for 10 to 15 seconds and then swap legs.
The other major thing for me is hydration and I was dehydrated again when it went out.
Can anybody go on substack without proving who and how old they are? Sometimes I go on substack and they want me to prove I’m over 16, other times not.
I do not know. An AI can probably explain what’s going on.
My knee-jerk luddite reaction to this breaking news is for #1. But since this is all about getting more eyeballs (which I’m in favor of) than #3 is my official vote.
Substack commenting blows the big one. Not a big deal if you currently mainly just use plain text. A huge deal if you’re using pics, links, blockquote, emojis, bold, italic, attach image, etc.
A quick thought about each option:
PS. Not talking to you in this clip Rob. I’m talking to substack.
Excellent feedback.
The SS commenting system really does suck.
I’m also leaning to #3, as do most others it seems.
I could start appending a message to the end of every new post with a link to WordPress saying please come here if you’d like to join the discussion.
Also strengthen the message in the About page with an explanation that commenting sucks on SS so we all hang out at WordPress.
Does anyone prefer something other than #3 which is publish posts on both but allow comments only here on WordPress?
I just turned off commenting on Substack to keep it clean.
You can see the results of our commenting system tests at:
https://undenial.substack.com/p/temporary-post-for-testing-the-substack
I’ll delete this post in the next day or two.
Hmmm…
Turning off commenting also kills the ability to Like and Restack posts.
I’m not an expert on Substack but I bet that will seriously curtail new people finding un-Denial.
Any experts on Substack care to comment?
Maybe we should leave comments on?
When a new user says something interesting I could copy it to WordPress and then reply with thanks saying we’re discussing your excellent comment at WordPress, please come join us.
It would be a pain in the ass for me but might increase the size of our community.
Do we even care if the community grows?
Might end up with a bunch of people denying MORT and CACTUS without understanding either like in the early days of un-Denial.
From AI:
To turn likes back on after disabling community features on Substack, you must re-enable the master toggle under your publication settings. [1, 2]
Steps to Turn Likes Back On
That’s a good idea but difficult to implement.
I can leave global commenting on and then turn off commenting for each individual post which would keep likes and restacks enabled.
But there’s no bulk editing feature which means I have about 10 clicks per post and 600 posts which is not going to happen.
Or I guess I could just disable commenting on the newest posts.
Or I could delete all the old posts from Substack.
Def don’t want to make more tedious work for you – so that’s a no on that idea .
If you left the comments etc on, but had a standard tag line on every page somewhere visible, advising people they can comment here but join the discussion on WP site for discussion and see how it goes? I think you can have a SS site and are under no obligation to engage if you don’t want to. i would not delete all the posts – it’s gives it much cred, not just some new blow in 😉
I used to read a substack that had no comments allowd but just likes for the posts – so maybe try that and see if it work?? I am thinking there must be a way to do it. I agree with option 3.
I know nothing about the restacked thing but I just verified a couple of the people I follow and most of their comments are restacks of someone else. So yes, I definitely think comments should be left on.
I was hoping SS had an auto reply option. Would make it so easy. But AI says no.
I doubt the interesting comments on SS will get overlooked. I’m sure some of us will be in the habit of checking over there for any gold and then copying it to WP.
If it was me, I wouldn’t be willing to reply to all SS comments telling them to go over WP. I’d just have it posted everywhere on the SS site. The last thing on every featured post should be some type of note about where we conversate at and why.
Yeah, I’m having doubts about wanting to see this community grow. Next thing you know, we’re spending all our energy fighting off normies and bots.
I guess we could try it for a while and if all we catch is noise I could nuke Substack.
My preferences go towards 1 and 3.
I think 2 will be a mess.
But you do all the work, so I will be happy with anything you decide 🙂
As was said previously, I guess it depends on your goal: exposure or cozyness. And the target audience.
About improving the existing site, a few times, I wished for a global comment search option. But it’s a minor need and I never tried asking Gemini. It may be adequate for the task.
…
And then, I got lost in minimalistic self-hosted solar websites (like the solar low-tech magazine) and the IndieWeb for a while…
We have a global comment search feature.
It’s in the right sidebar near the top labelled “SEARCH COMMENTS”.
Thank you.
OK, consensus is #3 and we’re live with it now.
Let’s try it for a while. If we get nothing but noise I’ll nuke Substack.
I’ve edited the about page as follows. Let me know if you have any ideas for improving it.
On the home page I’ve added a tab called “Discussions” that brings them here, and the same link is in the sidebar.
I also added a bunch of Substack recommendations. Let me know if I missed any good Substack sites with content relevant to un-Denial.
I just realized it’s actually a modified version of #2 because commenting is enabled on Substack but we’re telling people to come here for discussions.
Hi Rob,
I would support the move to Substack. It seems to be giving people a lot more engagement and exposure to new audiences. However, I think you can also expect to get a lot more trolling and negative comments there.
Another thing to bear in mind is you can’t really use the Substack app on your phone unless you give Substack your phone number.
Subscribers to your substack all have an email address. You will be able to see all those email addresses. I think maybe some of your audience may have concerns about subscribing to Substack due to privacy concerns?? I dunno
Thanks monk.
We thoroughly tested the commenting system on Substack and it is so bad it would ruin the commenting experience on un-Denial so we decided to post essays on both sites but to encourage Substack viewers to come here if they want to discuss anything.
Here is the substack home page:
https://undenial.substack.com/
If we get nothing but noise from substack I will nuke it.
Hi Rob, would you consider adding this point to your list of “core ideas of CACTUS”?
As new / bigger technologies come onboard, the obsolete ones are deleted. So there are no fall-back simpler technologies that we can rely on to cushion CACTUS. For example, we can’t suddenly start making large microprocessor chips again, because those factories have closed. While this is not universal, it is the rule. Even if an older tech is available, the supporting infrastructure that made it viable no longer exists. The system naturally removes fall-back redundancy. Another fav example of mine is that we can’t go back to Victorian level tech, because we don’t have the old growth forests and abundant fisheries they had.
Sorry this was a wordy way of explaining it. Maybe you or Hideaway can explain this better. Not a new idea from me, but something I think is worth including in the main list of CACTUS ideas
Hello monk,
Good to see you here and that’s a fabulous point to add to the Memorandum of Understanding Cactus! I think it’s a very important concept that most hopium takers still cannot get into their denial veins–we cannot get back to where we’ve been because there’s no there there, anymore! I’ve alluded to this sad observation a few times over the years, for example, we’re the only people for miles around that have a few scythe kits (and not that we’re expert at slashing grass with it) but what’s the point of even that if no one else can obtain this previously modern technology once made in every village but now is a specialty life-style trend tool imported from Austria? Another example, a few years ago I found out that in the whole of Australia there were only 200-odd people that registered their occupation as blacksmith. A good number probably specialise in fancy wrought iron gates and chandeliers, but hopefully some still make horseshoes and maybe even plows. However, I’m pretty sure most of these craftspeople don’t forge using self-obtained charcoal, either!
Hope you and your family are going well. It’s Springtime again for us and I can envision you busy and happy in your garden and growing even more variety of food than ever.
Love and best from Gaia
Extremely good point, Monk.
It’s what I summarised, years ago, as:
‘Cutting out all the rungs as we climbed the ladder’.
I was amused once to see this referred to as ‘that old, old saying’. Ha!
That’s a very good idea monk. I’ll try to get it done today.
I also realized that I used the CACTUS summary from last year rather than the improved summary I wrote in May of this year so I’ll fix that in the essay above as well.
If anyone has additional changes for the CACTUS summary let me know.
I’ll post a comment when all the changes are complete and they are live.
Have I mentioned my hatred for the word wetiko.😉Calling greed a mind virus is just a sneaky way of comforting ourselves. To help make us believe humanity can magically reign in its appetite for destruction. It’s not a virus. It’s just
humanblob nature.Schadenfreude is another word I dislike for pretty much the same reason. But thankfully, the Noble Blob crowd hasn’t co-opted that one yet.
Martin Butler’s essay today kinda reminded me of this as well as the endless mental games we play just to cope with this precious gift called life.
https://martinbutler.substack.com/p/the-human-tick-on-parasites-status
PS. I gotta admit, today was a good day to be alive. Felt like one of Gaia’s ‘bonus days’. Rained all day on and off (so rare for us to get daytime rain). High of 79F/26C. Haven’t seen the sun once.
Mr Zeus was in heaven. He loves to get wet (can’t really see the light rain coming down in this pic). But he doesn’t enjoy when it starts pouring. He frantically runs for shelter to the patio. It’s my favorite thing on this planet to witness.
Hello bro,
What do you think Butler would say I really meant when I say to you “I’m happy that you had a good day” ? I would like to tell you (and I hope you can believe me), from the depths of my own understanding of myself (because no one else can say they understand me better), but bound by the limitations of meaning and interpretation of the common language we share, that I mean just that and as far as I am able to know, there is nothing in my consciousness that attaches any other intention or hidden meaning that would constitute an attempt at a power play. I just wanted to say hello and that I am happy that you are happy.
I would also like to say (insert all of the above again, really it is exhausting and I can see how tiresome) that if I say to someone “It looks like you’re having a downer of a day”, that is coming from a space of wanting to share connection with them and allowing for an opportunity (a window of opportunity even!) for them to express their thoughts and feelings to someone who is ready and wanting to listen. In my view, a kindly gesture of noticing and responding to a fellow human being in some distress is not a motivation to asserting dominance or control and frankly, I find it very *interesting* that it can be interpreted it so, and in such broad sweeping manner.
If Butler can conclude that most people are in some kind of pain, and have no vocabulary to express that pain, then isn’t the best thing we can do for our fellow brothers and sisters in sorrow is give them our presence and compassion? Surely that can come from a place of genuineness because we all know what pain and suffering is. Yes, human life is full of suffering, this world isn’t fair, and it is damned difficult to go through, but isn’t it because we can feel and put ourselves in the shoes of another that we can find ways to alleviate that suffering, for ourselves and others? Why is it that to me, (and insert all that about limitations of meaning, blah, blah, blah), that his interpretations of what I consider the highest and best of how one can be in relation and in aide of another, have a predatory edge? I am sorry for the pain he may have to think that fellow human beings derive comfort from sucking more from others and pressing them down in some way in order to assuage our own distress.
Thank you for sharing about Mr Zeus. It’s obvious that you are truly happy when he’s happy, and you can know when he’s happy because of your connection with him and your genuine care for him, no vocabulary needed. But may I ask for you to clarify what exactly is your favourite thing in this whole planet to witness is? Being your sis, I thought I better sit up and take notice when you make such a pronouncement! Is it Mr Zeus feeling like he’s in heaven, or him loving getting wet in the rain up to a certain point, or when he doesn’t like it anymore when he’s soaked through, or his comically mad dash for shelter at that point? And a bonus question on a bonus day for extra credit What would Butler say about your answer?
Sending lots of love and commiseration for being part of this blob, your sis Gaia.
Hi sis,
MB is your kryptonite. If I ever have the pleasure of meeting you in person, I’ll be wearing a Butler jersey, hat, and mask just to torment you.🤣
Of course I believe you. You never have to insert the limitations of meaning jargon into your comments. You’re Gaia for Christ’s sake!
Re what Martin would say, I think he’d say you’re completely full of shit. Haha!! just kidding. He’d say the same thing I’d say: don’t take him so literally.
In my experience of dealing with people, I think MB’s content perfectly hits the bullseye. And a lot of it’s just plain old common sense. “Nice guys finish last” type stuff. Of course that’s true. If you disagree, replace “guys” with tribes, societies, civilizations, governments, etc… and it’s easier to see. But as we all know, at the micro level there are always tons of exceptions that can buck the trend. You are definitely one of those exceptions.
Re Mr Zeus and my peak happiness… pretty much everything you said but it’s mainly his mad dash for shelter. If there’s a heaven, I’ll be witnessing that mad dash over and over in some sort of Groundhog Day loop. (and I just can’t resist posting another pic of my baby🤭)
PS. Was a nice change of pace yesterday to actually be high on life… but back to reality today. This tune feels about right. LOL!!
Btw, I thought this AI query was interesting and funny. Sorry if it belongs on the “who gives a shit” channel:
On a literal level, the song’s lyrics contemplate suicide as an easy, painless escape from the grueling hardships and inevitable suffering of life. However, the actual meaning and intent behind the track are deeply rooted in dark comedy, cinematic history, and a unique backstage backstory.
The song was originally written for a specific, dark comedy sequence in the 1970 MASH film known as the “Last Supper” scene. In the movie, the 4077th’s dentist, Captain Walter Waldowski (nicknamed “Painless Pole”), falls into a deep depression and decides he wants to end his life. The other characters throw him a mock funeral party and give him a “black capsule” to swallow. The capsule is actually just a strong sleeping pill intended to keep him safe until his depression passes. This song is sung by another soldier during that fake suicide wake as a joke: M*A*S*H* – movie theme song – mid movie
The director of the film, Robert Altman, wanted a song for the scene that met two conditions: it had to be titled “Suicide Is Painless” and it had to be the “stupidest song ever written”. Altman tried to write the lyrics himself but claimed his 45-year-old brain couldn’t write anything “stupid” enough. He handed the task to his 14-year-old son, Michael Altman, who reportedly penned the dark, somber lyrics in just five minutes. The composer, Johnny Mandel, then structured the beautiful folk instrumentation around those teenage words.
For the monumental task of directing the entire feature film—managing the cast, the crew, and crafting a cinematic masterpiece—Robert Altman was paid a flat fee of $70,000. The “massive financial royalty irony” of the M*A*S*H theme song is one of the most famous and lopsided financial quirks in Hollywood history. For a mere five minutes of work writing lyrics as a teenager, Michael was co-credited as a songwriter. Because he was a registered copyright owner, he was legally entitled to ongoing publishing royalties.
Even though the TV show famously stripped the lyrics and only played Johnny Mandel’s instrumental melody, Michael Altman’s name was locked onto the legal copyright of the composition. As a result, every single time an episode of M*A*S*H aired anywhere around the world, Michael Altman got paid. Robert revealed that while he only made $70,000 for directing the film, his teenage son ultimately pulled in millions of dollars from the royalties.
I used to enjoy watching, from the corner of my eye, my late spaniel try to sneak into the house unobserved when he heard me filling a watering can, ready to cool him down on hot days. ‘Stealth Dog’ was hilarious!
The only country with lower stockpiles of diesel than the UK is Australia.
Indi with a funny rant about AI.
https://indi.ca/white-ai-is-a-cargo-cult/
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=256008
Thank goodness confidence of a possible coffee shortage is low.
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-24
This never gets old.
Script rewritten this time for Trump’s biggest blunder ever.
Really really funny.
For those of you from Australia, Mike Stasse discusses the impending diesel problem and links to 6 videos.
https://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2026/09/24/australia-were-in-trouble/
Yes, what I had feared 6 months ago and somehow we managed to avoid until now, has come back to bite us with a vengeance. It was only ever a temporary reprieve but bought some extra BAU time to do more prepping or generally get our affairs in order. Will Australia, once known as the Lucky Country, live to see another day when we can dodge the bullet yet again? Only time can tell, but seeing as we’re the world’s biggest importer of diesel by far, and we have only two refineries, and we need to truck materials (after mining it!) and food (after growing it!) across a country the size of the USA, and diesel is already nearing $3 a litre, what can possibly go wrong?
Rob I really appreciate you and this website. Keep fighting the good fight!
I will look for the evidence you requested when I get a bit more free time 🙂
The article warning that we have “at most a decade to deal with climate change” was published 20 years ago…
Eliot had a funny post yesterday about that horrible phrase “window of opportunity.”
https://climatecasino.substack.com/p/doctor-strange-window-of-opportunity
Did you ever figure out why Sam was silent on the biggest crime ever, covid?
Oh, you broken record you. LOL. Might be the 3rd or 4th time you’ve asked me this.
I actually tried to look into it last time you asked. At that time Sam still had his youtube channels up and I was able to go back to 2020/21. Found a few clips of him talking about how covid is a nothing burger that’s gonna look like a bad hair day compared to what’s coming down the pike. And some videos of him calling people “corona pussies” for wearing a mask. But that’s all I found.
You’ve been on him about this for a while. What’s the story here? I’m sensing a personal grudge.
Not a grudge. Can’t understand how someone who claims to be aware can be silent on something so evil.
Hi Chris(t),
I don’t reply often to your comments lately even though I usually appreciate them deeply. Either because of the humor or the ‘gentle tap’ effect.
Anyway that read was excellent too. Interesting to learn this is sort of a military term. In any case, a way to make one row at the sound of the drum:
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Best!
Philip Pilkington discusses the complexities and possible unintended consequences of US banning diesel exports.
Rob asked me to post a Jay Hanson article that shows he understood CACTUS. A lot of what he understood was discussed informally on his various lists over the years. Some of his published work is available here:
https://jayhansonsdieoff.net/
The one article I was looking for and couldn’t find was the Thermo-Gene Collision paper published in 2007. In it he talked about what will happen when human genetic drives for more and more run up again declining resources offering less and less.
Hanson’s brilliance was in looking at the human animal and how we evolved and how we will react to declining resources. Humans evolved in competition with other humans for scarce resources. The most successful humans were able to out-compete the other humans and expanded their territory. Those are our ancestors. It’s how humans came to dominate the planet. Look at Trump at the UN, he is going to use military power to take control of scarce resources. That’s what is going to lead to nuclear Armegeddon.
We could imagine a less catastrophic outcome where humans powered-down and gradually reduced population until we are all back to pounding out stone tools. But that’s not how we are all wired.
Thanks toomuchmagic.
I checked my library and I do not have a copy of Hanson’s thermo-gene collision paper.
I remember him talking about that issue. He was correct and may have been the first to discuss the issue. Many others have discussed it since including Jack Alpert who calls it the scarcity-death spiral.
You can see it in the news today with 30% of Americans recently polled saying they support political violence.
Hanson had a great mind and said a lot of original and true things about overshoot, but until I see evidence, I stand by my claim that he did not discuss the points that I claim CACTUS first made.
P.S.
Lots of people imagine, including me pre-CACTUS, that if somehow we could overcome our evolved behaviors we could gradually reduce our overshoot predicament. CACTUS shows this is a false belief. Overshoot is primarily driven by physics, not human behavior, nor human constructs like monetary or political systems.
CACTUS is a big step forward in overshoot science.
P.P.S.
Although Hanson had an impressive intellect his integrity was terrible. He aggressively told me for months that Dr. Varki’s MORT theory was nonsense until I caught the fact that over the entire time he did not understand Varki’s theory and when I called him out on it he covered his tracks and deleted the evidence. That was the last time we spoke. I have no tolerance for low integrity people.
This one, published in 2007. I’ll read it..
Click to access ThermoGeneCollision.pdf
From the conclusion written in 2007:
2007 + 15 = 2022
Hanson was a few years early, as most of us have been.
Hanson’s specialty was a focus on human behavior, as is his disciple Nate Hagens.
They think they uncovered all there is to know about human behavior associated with overshoot, and neither could/can accept that they missed the biggest and most important behavior theory associated with overshoot, and the origin of our species, MORT by Dr. Ajit Varki.
Hagens may also avoid MORT because if he starts talking about god being a rare mutation to deny mortality, his subscriptions will probably fall to the level of un-Denial.
A few of us prioritize truth over fame.
One aspect, that after reading Hansen’s work above, is that it seems like he’s implying that it’s human behaviour that really causes the collapse for our refusal to accept “less”, because of thermodynamic decline..
The whole point of the physics and math I’m currently working on is that human behaviour is irrelevant to collapse.
Even in a perfect world of full co-operation, where we didn’t require governments, laws, lawyers, accountants, financiers, money, debt, police, military, jails, etc, the physics and math still tells us we would collapse quickly.
We require all these people and systems, because Hansen is correct about human behaviour. All those human factors are just likely to make collapse happen much more quickly than if they didn’t need to exist.
None of that article explains why we need to keep growing to just maintain our existing system, except in human behaviour terms, to stop our real instinctual behaviour from happening..
I don’t disagree with any of his logic at all, indeed I think it is the very path we are on. Human natural behaviour will just make everything worse.
What I’m trying to show is that modern civilization couldn’t keep happening even in the cornucopian, we all get along and sing Kumbaya with complete harmony, anyway. Nor is it possible for modern civilization to even unwind gently in a full co-operative, unrealistic, Kumbaya singing world.
It’s not the way the physics and math works. The super-linear scaled aspects of our civilization, by themselves prove we reach finite time singularity and the system of civilization collapses down, in a sudden phase change, to a much lower state of energy use, that the local environment can provide.
He predicted 15 years, plus or minus 10 years, for when anarchy reigns in the US. We’ve gotten through the 15, so let’s split the difference of the extra 10 years into 5, so 2007 + 15 + 5 = 2027, hey that sounds right on target! We don’t really need to predict anything when we’re already in a predicament, with confidence level at 100% that our system is ripe for collapse. However, I can see how you can manipulate most numbers and predictions to get whatever conclusion you want. All except for whatever Hideaway will be sharing with us, I know his physics and maths don’t lie.
But, Uncle Hideaway, did you have to be such a party pooper! I was envisioning exactly the scene when all of us here gather at our retreat (or any number of others here, maybe even yours!), holding hands and singing Kumbayah around the dying embers of the campfire which mirror that of modern civilisation.
Namaste, all friends.
Pretty sure I shared this video a while back for his hilarious Trump impersonation (at 26:22)
This morning someone sent me this classic bit comparing racism to hunger (11:29 – 12:30). Made me laugh.
MORT and CACTUS are probably not popular because everyone secretly hates Polaks.
LOL!!
In that case, we need to hide you from the national spotlight and put some stooge in as the unofficial spokesperson for un-Denial. I’d volunteer but I have some French ancestry, and we all know everyone despises the French.😊
h/t Panopticon.
https://www.azernews.az/oil_and_gas/264255.html
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2026/08/05/affordability-not-scarcity-is-the-real-energy-crisis/comment-page-13/#comment-519203
I think Garrett’s Relation qualifies as a more fundamental explanation of why terminal decline and supernova than CACTUS and it should at least be given some standing as a profoundly original insight, backed by physics. Here is the review on un-denial:
https://un-denial.com/2021/02/23/by-tim-garrett-jevons-paradox-why-increasing-energy-efficiency-will-accelerate-global-climate-change/
Here is the synopsis:
In other words, perhaps the wealth of civilization has a direct link to how much energy we can consume. That seemed a reasonable assumption, because in order for us to do anything, which is perhaps a measure of our wealth, we need to consume energy. That’s a basic law of the physical universe. It’s through energy transformations that anything happens. I tried to look at this using available data. It turned out this relationship is constant, with about 10 milliwatts required to support every inflation-adjusted 1990 dollar of economic value. That was the core result of my first paper. From there I wanted to see what this implied for global warming, Alex: If we grow the economy, we’ll put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. But could we reach safe levels if the economy crashes? Tim: I showed that if the GDP declines with time, which is normally what we would think of as a Depression, this would not in fact correspond to lower carbon dioxide emissions. For carbon dioxide emissions to go down, what would be required is effectively a complete collapse of the economy.
Here are two of Tim Garrett’s papers
https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/3/1/2012/
https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/13/1021/2022/esd-13-1021-2022.html
And a review by Richard Nolthenius, astronomy prof:
Click to access A7-K43-Garrett.pdf
And Garrett’s interview on Great Simplification:
I’m a big fan of Dr. Garrett. He is the only climate scientist with a clue and it is beyond shameful that all of his colleagues (except Dr. Nolthenius) ignore his work.
It’s also one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that MORT is true. How else can we explain the reason that every climate scientist in the world (except Garrett and Nolteneius) is not interested in understanding the true driver of climate change, nor the implications of reducing CO2 emissions as they recommend?
Garrett uses thermodynamics to explain the relationship between energy consumption, economic activity, and CO2 emissions.
Using pre-CACTUS ideas we could conclude from Garrett’s early work that modernity must collapse because our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system requires economic growth to not collapse, which means energy consumption must continue to grow, until either we collapse due to energy depletion, or we create a climate incompatible with civilization.
I understood his early work but remember struggling to understand his later claim that a falling GDP would not result in falling CO2 emissions. It may have something to do with the depreciation term in the Garrett equation, which I think, but am not sure, physically represents the energy and material cost of maintaining the status quo of civilization.
I asked Dr. Garrett to clarify his claim but did not receive an answer that for me justified his claim.
Can you please explain in one sentence why a falling GDP will not result in falling CO2 emissions?
Also please explain where in the Garrett equations we arrive at the same conclusion as CACTUS that says modernity requires growth in both energy and mineral flows to not collapse, and that when this physical growth is no longer possible, modernity will end as a supernova.
I think it is that any economic activity will result in new stuff that requires energy to make, to operate, to maintain. All the older stuff also requires energy to operate and maintain (until end of life, which then requires energy to dispose of it). So a falling GDP can’t reduce energy use and so can’t reduce emissions. Of course, GDP is a crude measure of economic activity and has been manipulated to make the government of the day look good. So maybe one should say declining economic activity rather than declining GDP.
GDP includes all activities associated with maintenance and disposal, and so GDP captures all energy use.
If GDP goes down, emissions must go down.
Where am I wrong?
I think Garrett uses GDP as a crude measure of economic activity. His main point, I think, is even if all construction and manufacturing stopped, energy would still be needed for what was built before, and that is what most energy, each year, is consumed to support. But if all construction and manufacturing stopped, GDP would crash, yet almost as much energy would still be needed to keep existing stuff going.
Fair enough, then Garrett really shouldn’t be using the term GDP because it does include maintenance.
Assuming you are right, I still think he is wrong.
If the economy takes a deep dive we won’t be able to afford many maintenance activities and so emissions will go down.
Just because maintenance is required doesn’t mean it will happen. We’ll do what we can afford with whatever energy and materials are available.
The disconnect may come from the fact that I believe Garrett thinks peak oil is a non-issue because fracking proved we have plenty of oil for many decades.
To the best of my understanding, GDP is supposedly a measure of the value of _final_ goods and services produced by an economy. So it does not include the cost of routine maintenance or value of intermediate goods (those produced and then used to produce other goods higher in the chain).
And so Garrett’s observation is that energy use is proportional to the total size accumulated over time of the economy: i.e. the sum of all GDPs (integral) up to that year.
I think when he says, even decreasing GDP does not ensure decreasing energy use and emissions, he means that even if less final goods are produced in a year we need to expand energy just to maintain the existing infrastructures.
Basically he is saying what no politician and few in the population want to consider: to reduce emissions requires more than a recession.
I think also it is his remark to the commentators (among others, if I recall correctly Jancovici and Martenson) who say GDP is roughly proportional to energy expanded: it is worst.
I think you Hideaway and Garrett do not disagree on the fundamental. But express it differently.
To sum up my understanding of Garrett’s work (let me know if I am wrong):
energy expanded in a year globally = factor x total size of the world economy = factor x sum of final goods produced each years from the beginning.
My intuition is that the second equality holds because this has been a growing economy.
When you look how complex it is to compute GDP (difference between routine maintenance and upgrade of infrastructure), it makes one more than wonder on the validity and use of these numbers…
Sounds about right. Garrett is really saying there is a link between accumulated wealth and energy use, using GDP as a proxy for wealth added each year. He defines wealth as “the cumulative inflation-adjusted economic production summed over all history” with estimated and actual GDP used as a pointer to economic production.
I’ve seen him agree that only economic collapse can cause energy use, and emissions, to decline.
No, I checked, GDP includes all economic activity including maintenance.
Wars that destroy stuff create economic growth via the work to rebuild and repair everything, assuming of course affordable energy and minerals exist for the rebuild. Some day soon wars will permanently make the economy smaller.
Yes, Garrett correctly says energy use is proportional to the integral of economic activity over time.
Garret is very worried about extinction due to climate change, and he believes fossil energy with fracking is essentially unlimited, and so that explains his statement that emissions will not drop if the economy contracts.
If you assume energy use will decline due to geologic depletion and/or CACTUS, then emissions will definitely drop.
This is another example of how incompetent climate scientists are and/or how powerful MORT is.
The most useful thing climate scientists could do is model the emissions drop from CACTUS to determine if post-collapse survivors have a chance which would tell us whether to devote resources to building a softer landing zone, or to party on like it’s 1999.
But they don’t.
They don’t even acknowledge Garrett’s work, let alone Hideaway’s CACTUS.
I don’t recall Garrett ever suggesting that fossil fuels are infinite. Maybe it’s just because he understands that nothing in the economy is done without fossil fuels. Sure, it may be technically possible to reduce fossil fuel use dramatically without that affecting the economy but who here thinks that is remotely likely (globally)?
He didn’t say infinite but he’s definitely not worried about short or medium term energy depletion.
With that incorrect belief he correctly concludes there will be no emissions drop and we will cook ourselves.
He said it in one of his last interviews before he went silent and retreated to his cabin on a mountain.
I may have the interview in my library if you really want the source to verify.
Sorry, he concludes there’ll be NO emissions drop even with fossil fuel depletion?
I think he believes we’ve got plenty of oil from fracking left to cause the temperature to rise to a level incompatible with civilization.
OK. Thank you for checking.
I got this wrong because of:
“Ordinary maintenance and repairs undertaken by enterprises to keep fixed assets in good working order are treated as intermediate consumption.”
From https://www.elibrary.imf.org/display/book/9789211615227/ch001.xml.
From https://www.themintmagazine.com/economic-engine-erring/
Thanks, nice to see Garrett’s still active.
In summary, Garrett’s saying that wealth is created with energy, and as we grow wealth accumulates, and the wealth must be maintained with energy for it to retain value, and so more and more energy is consumed in activities that do not produce new wealth. Therefore, when energy growth is constrained by depletion (or climate change) we should expect inflation.
CACTUS says modernity requires non-renewable energy and mineral flows to grow because resource depletion degrades the quality of reserves which requires more and more energy, minerals, technology, and complexity to maintain the flows, and this higher technology and complexity requires civilization to grow, which demands more energy and minerals, and so growth is forced until something breaks and the system rapidly collapses.
Garrett’s story implies we could choose to slow down and make do with less wealth.
CACTUS says there is no choice and we must physically grow or we rapidly collapse.
So Garrett’s story is only partially true, and CACTUS is the dominant force in play.
Hideaway, we should weave Garrett’s story into the CACTUS story.
How do you want to express it?
I’ll have to go back and read Garrett’s latest, but as I recall from previous work he had a constant amount of energy per dollar of maintained GDP or wealth or something similar.
To me that’s always been incorrect as the lower ore grades would mean we need to use a constantly growing energy amount, to just maintain whatever we’ve built.
That’s true, but it’s also true that decay (aka entropy) is another force making it harder to grow and therefore should be included in the CACTUS story.
Of course entropy and dissipation of anything non renewable, are the core reasons why any civilization is not sustainable.
It’s just so obvious to me I probably forget to state it as often as I should!!
That seems right but Garrett refers to a constant amount of energy per unit of accumulated wealth. If new wealth takes more energy, it won’t significantly affect how much energy is used per unit of accumulated wealth, would it? Perhaps it would eventually, if wealth kept being added with substantially higher energy use but I don’t think many here think that could go on much longer.
I prefer the clarity and good enough accuracy of his earlier work that said US$1 (1990) equals 10 mW.
Very good discussion on the profound implications of US attacking and killing Iran’s leaders while negotiating for peace.
I watched this twice. I rate it a must watch.
I just found this website and am very glad I did, it can be lonely, being a collapsnik. I’m quite used to it now, but it’s good to find a place where discussing issues doesn’t come with a bucket full of denial, which is usually the case.
Nice to meet you Shadiya and welcome.
The “lunatic clerics” don’t double tap 120 schoolgirls, or fisherman, or abandoned ship sailors.
Nor do they regularly threaten to vaporize all US citizens.
Iran has some smart leaders.
No mention of the big news for me which was Trump’s speech at the UN.
It was disgusting incompetent evil on display for 8 billion citizens to witness.
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-23
Hey Rob. Two comments.
1. That we will run out of every single non-renewing finite resource is one of those obscenely obvious facts that approximately no one has an honest relation to. That really is it. The end. I sometimes refer to Liebig’s Law of the Minimum to nudge people towards the conclusion, but nope! Maybe it’s MORT, indeed.
2. I would, however, hesitate to conclude cascading breakdown of networks inevitable leads to a simultaneous breakdown of modern civilisation everywhere on Earth. The globe is huge, and some places could manage alone quite well, albeit with some simplification, without access to the same long list of resources and tech. You know, if we ignored all the other predicaments. I think the US could build a wall and rely on oceans, existing military hardware, space and resources, and get by in a very different future for quite a while without total collapse. Might involve a civil war and they’d have to dodge nuclear war, sure.
Hi Jan, thanks for stopping by.
I don’t think you’ve internalized CACTUS yet. If you spend some more time thinking about what Hideaway has said I expect you’ll come to realize that both of your points are incorrect.
We’re not going to run out of every non-renewable resource. Some non-renewable resources are going to become too expensive or they will become unavailable due to the energy and materials and complexity required to keep them flowing. That will trigger a self-reinforcing chain reaction of other non-renewable resources becoming unavailable which will eventually end modernity everywhere because modernity depends on an integrated network of resources from 6 continents.
There will still be non-renewable resources in the ground, they just won’t flow again on this planet.
Yes, good correction. That was very poorly formulated by me.
I see no fault in CACTUS, though one could add a lot of reasons to the list of why we’re wholly unsustainable and/or formulate it in various ways.
Hello Rob.
Thank you for this post. Yes.
While reading it, these concepts came back to my mind:
from https://www.sympoetic.net/Managing_Complexity/panarchy.html)
from https://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=910 and
from https://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=648)
from https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca-effect-origins-of-collapse.html?m=1)
• C.S Holling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Holling) adaptive cycles
• François Roddier 4 phases Carnot cycles applied to societies
• Ugo Bardi simple mathematical model for the Seneca cliff
All feature a steep cliff, which is unavoidable but not the whole story.
Some more related concepts to explore: panarchy, holon, holarchy (https://www.caseycripe.com/notebook/holarchy), holobiont, syntropy…
Thanks Charles.
Lots of people understand collapse is inevitable.
Few understand that modernity cannot exist without unsustainable growth of physical resource flows regardless of awareness, ethics, lifestyle choices, green living, monetary systems, political systems, etc., etc.
Few understand that collapse will be fast and permanent.
Some of your links suggest they think modernity will be cyclical. It won’t be. Modernity is a one time event per planet.
> Modernity is a one time event per planet.
That statement is incomprehensible to me.
I am probably missing something.
We have access to such a short window of time with limited intelligence.
How can we tell what lies in deep time (both directions) and deep space? What did this modernity replace?
It is said forests control the climate. Brains run on ressources available everywhere. How is life on the planet going to evolve next? (Probably more of the same according to Chris 🙂
I’m not understanding you either.
It might help to add a definition of modernity to the CACTUS summary.
The point I am trying to make is that there are most probably finer ways to obtain the aspects of modernity that you wish for.
Because I am guessing you are not interested in the extraction of minerals or the destruction of habitats per se, but by the artifacts we build out of them. And even not the artifacts, but the possibilities they offer.
For instance, the point I was trying to make is that life already builds astonishingly powerful computers in the form of brains, only out of abundant material. Or that forests are insulating technologies (among others)
But, maybe we should start with this (because I am sure we probably do not have the same preferences): what are the aspects of modernity that you cherish?
Coffee, many types of food we cannot grow locally, eyeglasses, electricity, refrigerator, personal computer with 100TB storage, dentist.
Hi Rob,
You make it very personal. I didn’t expect this. “The flower is a flowering of the field”.
Thank you, I understand now why it is so hard for so many to leave this particular arrangement of life.
The way I see it (if I understand you correctly), these are means, not ends.
Coffee is a mean to get some energy boost (at the expanse of some later payback. I don’t really know since I drank maybe 4 cups in my entire life)
Eyeglasses are a way to enhance eyesight.
Refrigerator is a way to preserve food.
Maybe PC is a way to entertain oneself, learn and reminisce.
Dentist is a way to avoid some form of pain.
Etc…
In other cultures there are other ways to attain these ends. So, I am sure there will still be other ways in the future.
For instance, I heard somewhere that cavities started with the consumption of grains. So maybe, these could be prevented with the appropriate regime. Or, maybe hoax, maybe alternative valid path (being rediscovered?): the ability to ‘see’ (perceive information) without eyes.
Who knows what future computing machines will be made of (growing mushrooms? Mentats?). Or even, isn’t it the wrong way to consider intelligence (very individual-control oriented), and we better simply connect to the greater intelligence we are part of (instead of fighting it). Yes, none of this is mainstream and immediately attainable. Just potential paths for exploration.
Also looking for solutions may be a diversion preventing us from going to the root of human experience.
So yes, in the foreseable future many of these things will not be as easily available. Today, we can still rely on them. Have a nice day.
Hello dear Charles,
It’s Gaia here just wanting to say thank you for your contributions to this space today and always. I so appreciate your heartful sharing of your wisdom and the above response especially touched me. Somehow we have lost the sense of the forest for the trees in the choices we have been conditioned to believe are the only means to an end. Yes, there have always been others, in this modernity and all prior ones.
I trust you and your family are well. It’s been a little while since I’ve asked after your daughter, she is truly the flower in your field and her blossoming is your pure joy. I can sense that you are in comfort and peace despite outer circumstance and I rejoice for knowing that.
Namaste, friend.
Dear Gaia gardener,
Thank you for your kind words and ever gentle presence in this space. I received it.
Yes, my daughter 🙂
I allowed myself a 2 months break this summer with my small family, by putting an end to my 13 years long no-fly vow. We visited Mongolia (during the gasoline disruptions because of the damages to Russia by weapons, I probably financed, as a taxpayer. Kind of a good scary drill 🙂 and am now at my family in law, South Korea. Met several great people, I had contacted beforehand, and who are all doing something in relation to natural farming or reforestation (Saxaul, incredible tree, which you are glad not to need in your climate :). This window of opportunities closes next week.
Yes, in this life, I have been blessed with multiple incredible experiences and encounters, ups and downs and sideways, which slowly eventually led me into this state of relative serenity. When they sometimes still trigger, I am especially glad to be able to let the waves of terror roll through me with a smile and listening heart (difficult to express, I am sure you understand though), rather than react with automatic fight or flee responses.
Part of me is kind of bracing for the impact that is necessarily coming to France. But, this is only superficial. I have faith: as unbelievable or delusional as it may sound to some, I sense the direction is positive, a multiple birth. Barriers falling down. Many options opening up.
Life is huge.
There are things, images I can’t easily express in words but that dawned on me only after previous layers had been entirely consumed. They come to me, as shy birds, once I do not frighten them away anymore, and can leave as quickly. I am sure you know.
I guess, in the meantime, as Rob says, the most important is to be kind (I’d like to add: understanding, loving) to one another, isn’t it? 🙂
Namaste 🙂
Forgot to say: lately, I sense serenity in you, too. There has been a shift.
I like it 🙂
Gotta get me some of those conjugal visits.
Hey, I found this comment, don’t think I don’t scroll around! Now do you think in all seriousness that we would talk like this in the big-time of Substack? xx
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We have already dug up all of the easily accessible fossil fuels and minerals. They will be gone for hundreds of millions of years, until they are renewed by geologic processes. Maybe a future species could rise to a Neolithic level of technology, but that is about it.
Steven J. Newbury, @theuaob on substack, covers pretty much the same territory as CACTUS in his Socio-Economic Thermodynamic Entropy framework, and his Resource Entropy Singularity corresponds to the CACTUS economic supernova. Newbury is not currently considered a leading light in the overshoot community, but he should be.
If un-denial were republished on substack, you would get a lot more readers, and that has the potential to get you a lot more responses.
Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future.
Like you, I find it hard to see how modernity can avoid a supernova or rapid meltdown, whatever metaphor you want to apply.
The complexity simultaneously infuses the system with a certain kind of robustness and, paradoxically, fragility. Robustness because the complexity has produced so many connections that every time one gets severed or weakened, another rises up to take its place. This robustness is actually exasperating to those of us who are rather fond of complex life and apalled at the idea of life reduced to slime and cockroaches until the sun boils what’s left of it off. But it’s a finite robustness in that new connections are not forming as fast as existing ones break. At some point something’s gotta break that leads to a cascade of entropy.
I do think Nate Hagens’ bend-not-break idea is wishful thinking. But maybe he sees a path to it that I do not.
Derrick Jensen reached the same conclusion decades ago, but I don’t think he was as systematic about his reasoning. Are you familiar with his Endgame book?
Hi Robin,
Thanks for stopping by.
I have read some of Steven Newbury’s work and I respect him. I know he believes collapse is inevitable, but I do not recall him explaining that modernity requires growth in both energy and mineral flows or else it will rapidly collapse, nor that modernity will be short lived anywhere that it emerges in the universe, nor that we are experiencing the peak of what is possible in the universe.
Can you please provide a link to where he says those things?
Here is a recent discussion we had about one of Newbury’s essays. I thought it might contain ideas to improve CACTUS, but did not see an understanding of the core CACTUS ideas.
https://un-denial.com/2026/08/01/by-el-mar-ai-chat-on-peak-oil-debitism-and-the-next-5-years/comment-page-3/#comment-122652
I’ve followed Derrick Jensen for a long time and have a lot of respect for him. He is a very good man. As with Newbury, I do not recall him explaining the things listed above.
Can you please provide a link to where he says those things?
Thanks for the suggestion about substack. I don’t want to give up the features of WordPress but I will consider copying essays from here to there.
Hi Rob! Derrick Jensen’s books Endgame and Deep Green Resistance don’t go into the mechanics of CACTUS, but they are entirely about the evil of civilization as a general category, and that not only the current MTI civilization must go, but the whole idea of civilization must go. He lists something like 20 premises in the opening chapter of Endgame Vol. 1. There may be more to this effect on his Deep Green Resistance website. The front page of the DGR website emphasizes that industrial civilization must go, but deep within his writing, he makes it clear that the entire concept of civilization is untenable.
I’ll have to get back to you with references regarding Newbury. I’m kinda busy. But didn’t want you to think I’m ignoring you.
The problem I see with so many sites/ commentators is that they state civilization cannot go on, but fail to show or prove exactly why, so they get ignored or countered by economists with stupid circular economy arguments.
Plain physics, the second law of thermodynamics, clearly shows that a circular economy is not possible in the long term. Entropy an dissipation are very real, so it’s not possible to collect all dissipated materials to recycle.
A simple old rusty fence that was once coated with zinc and galvanised, with the galvanizing layer now dissipated, clearly shows physics in action and why a circular economy can’t work in the long term.
On the other hand, life is not a closed system. It exists based on continued influx from the sun and, to a lesser extent, geothermal and tidal energies. Thus, life doesn’t rust. Only inanimate creations of humans or human-like organisms do. Thus, life can sustain itself as long as the energy influxes continue within a life supporting range.
I’d have to go back to Derrick Jensen’s Endgame and review his premises to see whether he lays out the thermodynamic limitations of civilization. He might. He did get a degree from the Colorado School of Mining, so he definitely knows this stuff.
Newbury’s theories are 100% grounded in thermodynamics, laid out with a precision that even an economist would have to concede is impressive. He also describes an event horizon beyond which collision with the Singularity becomes inevitable. I suppose you could quibble about the possible duration prior to passing the event horizon, but given his description of the tendency to acrete more and more inertial mass of complexity, it seems pretty clear that he doesn’t imagine a pre event horizon civilization has persisting indefinitely.
Okay, Newbury doesn’t express these things quite the same way that you and Hideaway do, but I believe his expression is congruent with CACTUS. My relevant Newbury references are The Gravity of the Situation, The Path to the Singularity, and SETE 2.0: The Phase-Space Dynamics of Circulating Surplus, Ideological Goal-Seeking, and Systemic Collapse
Does he say that “modernity requires growth in both energy and mineral flows or else it will rapidly collapse?”
He refers to “growth” as “acceleration.” So no, he doesn’t say exactly that, but I’m hard put to cast his version of “acceleration” as being different from the CACTUS “growth.” In The Gravity he describes the material mass of the infrastructure of modernity, and adds to that ideological mass.
Given that he frames absolutely everything of which he speaks in terms of Thermodynamics, and the abstract of SETE 2.0 where he says, “the very act of maintaining civilisational complexity physically deletes viable future trajectories,” it’s pretty clear that he believes that any such system appearing anywhere in the universe will sooner or later be sucked into the Resource Entropy Singularity (RES). Does he call it “modernity?” Well, no, but I think “civilisational complexity” is a good enough synonym.
Also, in The Gravity, he refers to the “dominant ‘operating system’” which “insists that human ingenuity (technology) can overcome any biophysical limit, assuming that if we run out of a resource, the price will rise, and we will simply invent a substitute.” I think that’s another pretty good description of modernity without using the word “modernity.”
In the SETE 2.0 paper, he refers to “myths of perpetual progress and technological omnipotence.”
Does he say, “short lived?” Not exactly, but what is “short” and relative to what? Instead he defines the path and the conditions under which the RES event horizon is crossed, making the singularity crash inevitable.
Do you need more evidence of the congruence between CACTUS and [SETE 2.0 X RES]?
They don’t have to be exactly the same, you know. They differ, but IMO they differ in complementary ways.
Here’s my summary of each paper.
The Gravity of the Situation
The Path to the Singularity
SETE 2.0
He seems to use “constant” to mean “continual”, not monotonic.
“modernity” is an aggregate behavior, a behavior that pushes the boundaries of the laws of physics until delays in the feedback mechanisms run their course. I have to agree with Newbury that unsustainability is rooted in the human behavior you categorize as modernity, and its interaction with the laws of physics.
I don’t find SETE to be “mumbo jumbo.” Maybe it’s that I had a career in software, like Newbury, so I find his use of symbols familiar.
I’ll have to get back to you on the rest of your critique – busy right now.
Here is an explanation for the mumbo jumbo.
Was this paper titled SETE 2.0 written by an AI?
https://zenodo.org/records/19859134
Gemini:
“Based on textual analysis of the uploaded paper (“SETE 2.0: The Phase-Space Dynamics of Circulating Surplus, Ideological Goal-Seeking, and Systemic Collapse”) and its broader publishing context, the likelihood that this paper was heavily generated or written by an Large Language Model (LLM) is extremely high (>90%).
Here is a breakdown of the key markers leading to this conclusion:
1. Linguistic, Stylistic, and Structural AI Markers
2. Publishing and Contextual Signals
Summary
While a human likely provided the core concepts, prompts, and structure, the manuscript exhibits almost all classic hallmarks of AI-generated academic emulation: extreme semantic density, heavy mathematical formalism applied to qualitative social concepts, and characteristic LLM prose patterns. “
Thanks for the explanation. When I have time I’ll take another look.
The late Jay Hanson was well aware of all 17 of your CACTUS points. We discussed all of this for years. You had a tough time with Jay because he dismissed your pet MORT theory as being ‘just so’ stories. Of course humans would have stopped breeding long ago and gone extinct when their expanding intelligence became aware of death but they didn’t. They couldn’t stop breeding because that’s what biological species do.
We are going to turn the planet into a radioactive wasteland devoid of complex life. I am sure of it. Jay Hanson felt the same way. It would happen on any other planet that developed complex life forms and sequestered solar energy, of which there are likely many others in the vast universe. Complex life forms would inevitably evolve to exploit the energy and end up destroying themselves.
There is nothing new in your CACTUS theory. Jay Hanson was on top of this years ago.
Years ago I read most of Hanson’s work.
I agree he predicted extinction via nuclear war but do not recall him explaining that growth is a physical requirement for modernity, nor that it will end as a supernova, assuming no nuclear war.
Can you please provide a link to his work as proof of your claim.
Just to be clear, I’m not talking about all 17 points. Just the few above that I claim are new for CACTUS.
toomuchmagic … “We are going to turn the planet into a radioactive wasteland devoid of complex life.”
We very well might, especially in the Northern Hemisphere if collapse is as fast as expected from the physics. All those spent fuel pools that start burning after the water evaporates away from them.
The whole aspect of CACTUS is that collapse happens without nuclear war, or any war necessary to bring it on. Yet there probably will be wars, err more wars as blame spreads. Humans are great at blaming others for their own woes..
Basically CACTUS happens because we need an exponentially increasing amount of energy to move materials, including wastes (mine wastes, foundation wastes, not just rubbish and pollution), to just maintain the existing system.
If the existing system is not maintained then different nodes and pathways in networks of networks start to fail, one here, one over there, at an increasing rate. Eventually, as in very quickly, some of the nodes and pathways are important enough to reduce energy production and material movements, which feeds back into increasing failures of nodes and pathways.
A critical threshold is passed in nodes and pathway failures, that there is no stopping the complete unravelling of the entire system of civilization. Governments will of course intervene, but because they cannot possibly know all the different nodes and pathways of all the networks, will add to some node failures and stop some important pathways form operating in their quest to save/stop the unravelling. In other words they are likely to inadvertently increase the speed of the unravelling.
What I’ve come to the conclusion of is it’s all just physics. None of the human stories comes into it. Laws, economics, finance, trade agreements, even things like EROEI, green transitions, nuclear power, ecology, climate change and pollution are all irrelevant to the underlying physics.
So whenever I read about socio-economic ‘whatever’, it’s just part of the human story, and cannot stop, change, or delay the future finite time singularity. (This is for Robin)
Anyone that includes, macro economics, GDP, etc as part of their story about the future, doesn’t really understand CACTUS, and S Newbury uses economic language all the time.
What’s been happening for hundreds of years, is that we have been using more energy per person, using more materials per person, and moving more materials per person, further on average, just to maintain our civilization.
The growth rate of energy use has been slowing down for the last 50+ years, which has manifested into more complexity which has given us efficiency gains, to gain access to all the materials we require and materials we move, the latter especially is still growing faster than ever. If we can’t move all those materials, then we can’t maintain civilization. if we can’t maintain what we have it unravels in a chaotic way, with unexpected links and feedback loops accelerating shortages of everything.
The problem isn’t energy contraction, that just accelerates the predicament. Energy and exergy can keep growing, but if too slow for material movement X average distance moved, civilization still hits it’s finite time singularity (collapse).
I use to think, up until a few weeks ago, that the real tipping point for collapse/CACTUS would be when energy production, especially oil started to decline, however all this more recent research I’ve been doing on super-linear scaled growth, clearly shows that is not accurate, we can and will collapse if energy growth can’t keep up with materials moved growth, even after allowing for efficiency gains (which are suffering from their own laws of diminishing returns)..
I think you could have an interesting discussion, Hideaway, perhaps in private, with David Korowicz.
He did a lot of thinking about the failure of critical nodes, etc.
When asked for advice, he said: ‘If you like dogs, get one and take lots of long walks’.
Much more sensible than Nate Hagens’s endless agonizing over perspectives.
David Korowicz is a rockstar in the study of human overshoot.
I imagine a collaboration between Hideaway and Korowicz would be amazing.
Not sure, but I think Newbury would argue that the tipping point for collapse/CACTUS would be when energy growth ceases to be able to keep up with the friction imposed by complexity growth. Pretty sure, based on what I understand of his SETE 2.0 framework. I would argue that “materials moved” is one element of complexity.
I think your framing of “just physics” is an oversimplification because in complexity theory, the whole is always greater than the sum of the parts. You can drill down from the greater holon into the lesser holons to gain a better understanding, but you cannot reconstruct the greater holon simply from understanding the collection of lesser holons.
Great post Rob. I’d give it a perfect ten if it weren’t for that one line.😠
No gratitude allowed! Disdain and disgust only. I command it!! Ok, I’ll also allow amusement.
https://megacancer.wordpress.com/2026/09/12/growth-and-complexity/#comment-15173
PS. Be grateful that I only have a Jesus complex. It could be much worse.
Btw, I recommend that movie. Malice (1993) – IMDb. Nothing groundbreaking. But with writer Aaron Sorkin and a cast featuring Alec Baldwin, Bill Pullman, and Nicole Kidman, how can you go wrong? First half is kinda slow, but second half turns into an Alfred Hitchcock film.
LOL!! Spooky. This has to be a sign from the universe telling me to shut my yapper. Immediately after bashing your gratitude, this clip popped up in my algorithm. Michael Dowd talking about having gob-smacked gratitude.
Good lord do I miss that man. Actually, I don’t know what I miss more. Dowd himself, or my awareness level back then.
I knew that gratitude comment would irritate you but I wanted to point to a path for appreciating life.
CACTUS is not a choice. How we respond to CACTUS is.
Amen, Rob. Thank and bless you for that reminder. That made my bonus day all the more another one to be grateful for.
What got my goat was your self-denigrating sentence, hah, adequate intelligence my ass! I appreciate your humility but remember, your first priority is honesty and we all know you are one smart cookie! (and, what’s more, having a high IQ like Trump is all we need to prevent any forthcoming disaster)
Thank you for this great summarization post. We should shrink the 17 points onto a card to keep in our wallets so we can carry it with us and refer to it at any time. May also be handy when we proselytize the CACTUS religion to possible new members.
Namaste friends.
I attemded WAF 2026. Dowd’s outtro was one of my favourite parts.
This is where we’re at.
And supposedly there’s still two more years of this shitshow to go, if this fucking idiot doesn’t do anything stupid, which he will. On a more CACTUS-related note, I have hard time imagining what it must feel like for big companies to operate in such peculiar risk environment. Even JPMorgan Chase recently admitted they have no idea how or when this will end, so good luck with any short/medium-term strategy planning.
Sarah Connor on the future of my country Canada.
Notice that my government thinks policies determine climate outcomes demonstrating that it’s staffed by the hoards of C- students I saw in university.
https://www.collapse2050.com/canada-this-is-your-future/
Tim Watkins on the special nature of diesel.
I note that the leaders of his country (UK) exhibit mRNA brain damage by doing the wrong thing to cause the Ukraine war, and now are doing the wrong thing in response to the consequences of the war.
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2026/09/22/beware-the-jevons-liebig-trap/
https://no1sdailydigest.substack.com/p/daily-digest-2026-09-22
Good old Betteridge’s law of headlines lol