Is CACTUS just a clever name for old well understood ideas?

CACTUS stands for Complexity Accelerated Collapse of a Thermodynamically Unsustainable System.

It’s originator is a retired mining engineer turned reclusive prepper named Hideaway who lives on a doomstead somewhere in Australia.

In Australia, cactus is slang for something that is ruined, broken or finished.

So yes, CACTUS is a clever name.

But does CACTUS introduce any new ideas in the science of human overshoot, or does it simply recycle old ideas previously discussed by other overshoot scholars?

When Hideaway’s CACTUS theory was first introduced about a year ago we had a few drive-by shooters who were upset that we claimed CACTUS had new ideas. Unfortunately they never stayed long enough to offer any evidence.

A few un-Denial regulars have, ever so gently, so as to not offend our beloved recluse Hideaway, suggested that other overshoot intellectuals, like for example Alice Friedemann, have previously discussed CACTUS ideas, but again, no evidence was provided.

I’m as well read on overshoot science as any chemiosmotic eukaryotic multi-cellular energy dissipater with an extended theory of mind in this universe.

I think I’m aware of all the great overshoot minds, and have read some, if not most of their work.

Having said that, I’m also an oldish guy with less than perfect memory, and adequate, but not outstanding intelligence.

To the best of my recollection I do not recall anyone clearly articulating several of the most important elements of CACTUS.

I also like to think I have good integrity which means if anyone has evidence that I’m wrong and CACTUS is indeed just a clever name for old ideas, I will retract my claim and apologize.

Let’s revisit the core ideas of CACTUS which were first summarized here.

  1. Modernity requires abundant minerals and energy.
  2. The majority of minerals and energy we use are non-renewable and finite.
  3. Recycling is economically and/or technically impossible for most minerals.
  4. For those minerals that can be recycled, there are losses in the recycling process that still result in long term depletion.
  5. The quality of mineral and energy reserves decline as they deplete, because we always harvest the best quality reserves first.
  6. Mineral and energy extraction technologies must increase in complexity to compensate for falling reserve quality to maintain flows of resources. For example, compare modern directional drilling now required for fracking with early oil rigs. Or the giant trucks and other machines now required to haul and process low grade copper ore.
  7. Rising complexity increases the materials, processes, skills, locations, and number of people needed to design, and manufacture the technologies.
  8. Rising complexity requires a growing market to support the increasing cost of designing and manufacturing technologies. For example, a smaller population would not buy enough phones to make a TSMC factory in Taiwan viable, and therefore the advanced chips needed for oil exploration and extraction would not exist.
  9. A growing market requires a growing economy and population.
  10. A growing economy and population increases the consumption of all minerals and energy.
  11. Wastes generated by the growing economy and population create increasing frictions to further growth.
  12. This self-reinforcing complexity growth system drives an increase in mineral and energy flows until technology, markets, and population can no longer keep up with growing waste frictions and declining reserve qualities, and a critical mineral or energy becomes unavailable in the quantities required.
  13. Scarcity of the critical mineral or energy triggers a system wide technology breakdown cascade because many technologies depend on it, and many other technologies depend on those technologies, via an ultra-complex network of dependencies.
  14. The unavailability of many technologies then causes many more mineral and energy flows to become unavailable in the quantities required because the quality of remaining reserves makes extraction difficult or impossible without the latest technologies.
  15. This self-reinforcing collapse of complexity, technology, and resource flows is certain at some point in the not too distant future and will result in a supernova end to modernity and civilization.
  16. Nothing can be done to prevent this outcome, just as nothing can be done to prevent the collapse of a star.
  17. It’s not possible to have modernity without infinite growth on a finite planet which means modernity will be short lived everywhere in the universe.

This summary I wrote of CACTUS is based on collating hundreds of comments by Hideaway made at various sites over several years, and is not 100% accurate, as a few corrections from Hideaway are expected, nor is it complete, as Hideaway is working hard now to incorporate the science of super-linear systems and networks of networks into his theory.

Many of the ideas in the above 17 points are of course not new, and have been widely discussed by many people.

I claim a few of the core ideas are new, or are rarely discussed. These include:

  • Modernity requires growth in non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist, and this dependence is grounded in physics that cannot be changed. Many others discuss the dependence of growth on human behaviors like the maximum power principle, and human constructs like our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system, however no one until now has clearly stated that modernity must have growing non-renewable energy and mineral flows to exist.
  • This dependence on physical growth is profound because it implies that no form of sustainable modernity is possible anywhere in the universe. It also means that all of the many overshoot aware intellectuals that promote degrowth, steady-state, circular economies, population reduction, or a great simplification as useful responses to our overshoot predicament are wrong. That includes the most famous Limits to Growth study by Dr. Dennis Meadows et. al. which claimed we needed to stop growing to be sustainable.
  • Modernity, when it emerges anywhere in the universe, will be short lived due to the previous points, and will end as a supernova. We have in the past explained this supernova behavior using a few words such as those in points 13-15 in the summary above. Hideaway has been working hard to incorporate the science of super-linearity and networks of networks to provide a more solid scientific explanation for the expected supernova collapse of modernity.
  • CACTUS explains why we have not detected any aliens, and why we should have gratitude for being alive to witness a rare and fleeting peak of what is possible in the universe.

Today in a comment Hideaway gave us a preview of the essay he is working on:

When we take all the human stories out of the equation, we are left with raw physics of our system of civilization.

All the human stories ,of money, debt, religion, patents, agreements, governments, laws, contracts, etc all just function to make us get along and trust each other enough to function as a civilization in larger groupings than we otherwise would.

Ants use pheromones to get along and co-operate, money debt, contracts, laws, governments etc are our equivalent to pheromones, just way less efficient..

Coming down to just the physics to explain what happens when limits are reached, we have to understand how civilization has scaled. The raw data shows super-linear scaling in several aspects relative to each other.

Energy use has grown exponentially relative to population (growing or stagnant), that’s super-linear scaling. Material use has grown exponentially compared to energy use, again whether growing or stagnant, which is another aspect of super-linear scaling. Materials moved (not just used, includes all wastes, overburden, strip ratios of mines, lower ore grades, etc), has grown exponentially compared to materials used, again growing or stagnant, another aspect of super-linear scaled growth. Materials moved times distance moved, is also growing exponentially compared to just materials moved, so more super-linear scaling!!

Physics and math tell us that all super-linearly scaled energy dissipative systems end, in a finite time singularity, a physics and math term, meaning fast collapse or phase change. A large star going supernova in a fraction of a second after millions of years of life, is a finite time singularity.

So what happens at this singularity? Basically there is not enough energy to do all that is required to maintain the system let alone grow it, yet any area the system tries to cut back on, feeds back immediately to cut the energy available again, shrinking the system.

This is where the network of networks science comes in. Civilization is basically a network of many different networks, all interdependent upon each other. For any business it has a network of suppliers and customers, but also uses networks of logistics, communications, electricity, water, waste removal etc. Even a household has it’s own networks and interacts with the other networks like government, roads, electricity, water. Everyone of the networks is never independent of the other networks, they are interdependent.

What the science and math of network of networks show is that when you start losing some nodes in networks, the resultant feedback can magnify the effect in other networks nodes, that that lead to a cascade of collapse of all the networks, once a critical quantity of nodes are taken out. Basically the cascade of failure becomes self reinforcing.

Think of civilization as a machine, the most complex machine you can imagine. The machine is working, but you take out a wire here, then over there, then loosen a nut here, then another one over there. At some point when you have either taken out or loosened too many things, or taken out something critical, the machine just stops running. It may do so catastrophically if the wrong wire or nut was affected.

When there is not enough energy to run our civilization, it’s the same effect as pulling out random wires or undoing nuts or bolts randomly in a giant machine; it’s taking out different nodes all over the place because there is not enough energy to keep every aspect functioning, and it’s all happening very rapidly, too rapidly to be making decisions on what gets cut.

With the super-linearly scaled growth within civilization, by the time we get to where there is not enough energy for maintenance of the system, the system has looked fine up to that point, yet the energy available for the next point in time is not enough, so things unravel randomly, especially at the fastest growing aspect of energy use, which is the movement of materials. But if those materials, including waste materials can’t be moved as much, then the availability of materials used, has to decline, because we can’t get access to them, but they are needed, to produce the energy we do produce, which makes energy use fall further, faster.

Of course we humans have all the human stories, placed on top of the physical energy and materials, so use finance, money, debt, letters of credit, contracts, laws and trading agreements. These promises to each other, increasingly can’t be met, so start to lose meaning, which breaks the physical movement even more.

Realistically all the finance, laws, contracts, trade agreements, etc are just further nodes in the network of networks that are more more fragile than we consider, especially when the physical nodes start unravelling due to lack of energy.

This is of course a lot of what I’m working on in the essay, but it’s a lot to put it all together, including the maths that shows why it all collapses quickly..

The absence of discussion and understanding of CACTUS by all of the many intellectuals who discuss overshoot issues is quite remarkable. Not one famous person has even mentioned CACTUS since it was introduced a year ago, let alone explained why they think it is wrong.

I of course think this silence is explained by Dr. Ajit Varki’s Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory, which all of the famous overshoot intellectuals have also ignored since I started discussing the profound implications of MORT over 10 years ago.

Everyday I see super smart people with high integrity saying things that are so obviously wrong that no other explanation than MORT suffices.

Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is one of my favorite and most respected physicists. I’ve read her book twice and she’s made a career of calling bullshit on scientific nonsense like string theory. Yet her ignorance of CACTUS and what is physically possible, despite having a brilliant physics mind, is so embarrassing that it can only be explained by MORT.

We are using a ridiculously tiny part of earth’s resources, so at the moment we have literally barely scratched the surface, so even if resources are theoretically finite in practice we haven’t long reached the end.

But even more importantly economic growth doesn’t measure the amount of resources used because we can growth with more efficient and smarter use of resources.

And of course you can beat limits by going the Elon way off the planet.

As another recent example, world famous and respected energy expert Art Berman wrote an essay a few days ago on entropy. He does an excellent job of explaining entropy but misses the key CACTUS insight that modernity must grow or else it will collapse.

https://www.artberman.com/blog/the-entropy-fee-the-hidden-physical-cost-of-technology

The Entropy Fee: The Hidden Physical Cost of Technology

Technology is commonly seen as the defining engine of modernity and, for millions, almost as an article of faith. In this secular theology, progress is the gospel, innovation the sacrament, and technological advance the miracle expected to solve problems from climate change and disease to poverty and resource scarcity.

The expansion of technological, economic and material growth over the last 200 years is the greatest in human history. The problem is that growth adds complexity, and complexity requires energy to build, maintain and replace. Technology may increase efficiency, but those gains aren’t free. There is a physical cost that money cannot eliminate.

Today, virtually every aspect of daily life—from food and shelter to travel and communication—depends on a continuous flow of concentrated energy and electricity to sustain the metabolism of modern civilization. About 80% of that primary energy still comes from fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels are concentrated stores of chemical free energy with an extraordinary capacity to do useful work. When we burn them, some of that energy is converted into mechanical work or electricity, while the rest is ultimately dispersed as heat. The fuel itself is transformed largely into CO₂ and water and dispersed into the environment.

Energy is conserved, but its capacity to do useful work declines as entropy increases. That’s the physical-world version of the progression from box 1 to box 3 in Figure 1.

Entropy therefore describes a fundamental tendency from concentration toward dispersion. Civilization runs in the opposite direction locally. We concentrate ores into metals, assemble materials into machines and buildings, move supply chains across continents, and organize matter into increasingly elaborate technological systems. None of this violates the second law of thermodynamics because maintaining that local order requires a continuous flow of usable energy while producing still more entropy elsewhere.

Technology does not float independently above civilization as invention, innovation or creativity. It is embedded in civilization’s physical metabolism. The device gets smaller, the transaction faster and the human effort lower—but the supporting network often becomes larger and more complex.

Technology compresses what we see while accelerating the energy and material throughput we don’t see.

That’s the trap. Complexity itself has a maintenance cost—the entropy fee. Technology cannot free us from this cycle because it both enables and depends on continuous energy and material throughput. Entropy and complexity are therefore embedded in growth.

Technological solutions to resource and environmental constraints often add new components, infrastructure and dependencies that must themselves be built, powered, maintained and eventually replaced. When those dependencies encounter limits of their own, further technological solutions are required. Complexity compounds upon complexity, increasing the system’s maintenance burden and consuming a growing share of the usable energy and resources that might otherwise be available for additional growth.

That is the complexity trap. Growth adds technology and infrastructure; technology adds complexity; and complexity requires continuing flows of energy and materials to maintain it. Efficiency can reduce the cost of particular tasks, but it cannot eliminate the physical cost of maintaining the larger system. More complexity means more to build, coordinate, repair and replace.

The result resembles the Red Queen effect at civilization scale: “it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.” An increasing share of society’s effort must simply maintain the organized complexity it has already created.

This is not a mistake or a catastrophe, nor is it simply the result of bad policy or too many regulations. It is a physical consequence of maintaining a complex civilization of more than eight billion people. Technology is not an abstraction. It is organized matter doing useful work, and organized matter has a physical cost.

That makes this less a problem to be solved than a predicament to understand.

Notice that Berman correctly understands modernity requires energy and material flows to maintain itself, but he does not understand that modernity requires growing energy and material flows to not collapse.

I know from reading and listening to many of Berman’s excellent podcasts and essays that he believes that energy depletion will soon cause lifestyles to simplify back to something like the 1950’s when we used less energy but still had comfortable lives.

His understanding is as wrong as that of Dr. Dennis Meadows, and pretty much all of the other overshoot thought leaders.

So no, CACTUS is not just a clever name for old well understood ideas.

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Christ
October 18, 2026 5:03 pm

Slow day. I haven’t picked on George in a while. This short essay isn’t horrible. But it ain’t good either. My notes are in bold brackets.

Life on Earth began as a completely random, chemical accident: Initiate. Nucleate. Replicate. Consume. Deplete. Repeat. Die. [I actually like this line. Says a lot with a little. Similar to that quote by James I always use – The quest for profit and growth will continue as it has since the first organic cell fissioned]

Societies convinced themselves that they had been intentionally, deliberately, and thoughtfully designed by a “Maker”: someone, or something, who sat down one bright day and thought to themselves: “today, I’m going to make a human”. [Yes, but it sounds like you think it’s a human thing, instead of a blob thing. Give any genus line in the cosmos a million years of cooked calories and campfire stories, and they’ll inevitably evolve a brain big enough to invent their ‘Maker’ and declare themselves an intentional masterpiece]

While our religions started on the right track by making science and biology our Gods [Even if that’s true, it was just a fleeting moment in history that was never gonna last… like everything else], in the end we created a series of Disney characters to worship – and when it came to choosing which motive fit our fake storyline best, we decided to go for the full buffet: we chose all of the above. [I know you don’t see it as a series of choices. So why frame it so poorly?]

Humans and other creatures do not need “reasons” to exist. Their very existence is what gives them the reason, and the right to exist. [Oh boy, I’m done when I start hearing ‘right to exist’. And anything that’s been injected with the nightmare of full consciousness absolutely needs ‘reasons’ to exist. C’mon George, you need to up your Fire awareness]

https://georgetsakraklides.substack.com/p/a-god-for-all-intentions-and-a-civilisation

ps. If you want a more accurate narrative for our random chemical accident, this track pretty much sums up the universe’s grand plan:

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Christ
October 18, 2026 8:53 pm

Definitely a slow day, but I’m noticing this across the doomsphere in the comments sections, Surplus Energy site, out finite world, etc, comments just appear to have dried up recently. In fact we’ve had as many comments in a week here as pretty much anyone of those I look at..

Rob, I’m wondering if just putting up the small village and the ants as one essay, then the rest later might be the go, to break it up a bit? Thoughts?

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 18, 2026 9:50 am

This is just so messed up on so many levels. I don’t have words for this. Maybe Trump secretly wants Netanayahu to be the scapegoat for when the war is inevitably lost. Or maybe Trump is delusional enough to believe he can actually win this war.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 18, 2026 9:06 am

Yeah, but Russia must be aware of the Kessler syndrome and probably wants to avoid being blamed for starting it . . . BUT then it has to threaten the idiots in the Baltics . . . so it would be interesting to see if they destroy it or somehow just render it inoperative? What would be even more interesting would be if they could somehow interfere with it and send the Ukrainian drones into the Baltics??

Fun times;)

AJ

Stellarwind72
October 17, 2026 7:26 pm

Even though sea level rise is one of the slower effects of climate change, there is a recent geologic precedent for a way it could quickly end modernity and potentially trigger CACTUS. About 14,000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age, sea levels rose by 16-25 meters over 400-500 years in an event called Meltwater pulse 1A.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A

I asked Google what if this were to happen today and the AI overview said this (parts of it omitted)

If an event identical to Meltwater Pulse 1A (MWP-1A) happened today, it would trigger a global humanitarian, economic, and ecological catastrophe.

The Immediate Drowning of Coastal Cities. While a 500-year timeline sounds gradual, a rate of 4 meters (13 feet) of sea-level rise per century would rapidly outpace all modern civil engineering. [1]

Within the first 20 to 30 years, major low-lying megacities—including New York, Miami, Shanghai, Mumbai, Tokyo, Amsterdam, and Alexandria—would become entirely uninhabitable.

Critical infrastructure like subways, power plants, sewage systems, and ports would be permanently flooded long before the full 25-meter rise was reached.

Nearly 11% of the world’s population (approx. 900 million people) lives in low-elevation coastal zones. A modern MWP-1A would displace hundreds of millions of people within a generation, creating a global refugee crisis that would dwarf any in human history.

Because 90% of global trade is carried by sea, the simultaneous destruction or forced abandonment of every major shipping port on Earth would collapse the global economy. Maritime trade would halt until new, deep-water infrastructure could be built further inland.

Almost all port infrastructure would become unusable and supply chains would collapse.

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Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 11:07 pm

Pape leans heavily into the academic work of Thomas Schelling. Recently Martin Butler did a series of essays looking at game theory, but more from the personal level than nations, but the same prinicples apply.

Christ
October 16, 2026 5:19 pm

Gaia just broke my heart in the comment below. Oh well, at least Katie gave us the greatest thread in un-Denial history. I miss her already.

I’m still hung up on the metrosexual thing. I had AI make a list of the top three heartthrobs for teenage girls by decade for the last hundred years. Was hoping it would clearly show the Empire getting more and more hyper-groomed & narcissistic. Kind of does, but not as strongly as I thought. I mainly just see a transition from men to boys. 

If you wanna see it, plug my list into AI and tell it to show a picture of each person in their prime. 

30s: Clark Gable, Errol Flynn, Robert Taylor
40s: Gregory Peck, Frank Sinatra, Montgomery Clift
50s: James Dean, Marlon Brando, Elvis Presley
60s: Paul Mcartney, Fabian Forte, Troy Donahue
70s: David Cassidy, John Travolta, Donny Osmond
80s: Michael J Fox, Johnny Depp, Corey Haim
90s: Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Nick Carter
00s: Justin Timberlake, Zac Efron, Robert Pattinson
10s: Justin Bieber, Harry Styles, Taylor Lautner
20s: Timothée Chalamet, Jacob Elordi, Austin Butler

Ok, I think I’m done with this topic. I just reread my AI comment that compared Calhoun’s mice with the metros. It wowed me yesterday but now all I see is a bunch of words just to say, “peak of insanity” (note to self: keep it simple, stupid)

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 6:35 pm

Haha!! Me too.

He wasn’t included because I was going with the guys who were most likely to be on posters in the bedrooms of teenage girls.

If the list was geared towards adult females, Clooney and Mel Gibson are a slam dunk.

Christ
Reply to  Christ
October 16, 2026 7:48 pm

Christ I’m bored. Had to see which bombshell beauties were most popular with the teenage boys. 

30s: Jean Harlow, Marlene Dietrich, Mae West
40s: Rita Hayworth, Betty Grable, Lana Turner
50s: Marilyn Monroe, Brigitte Bardot, Jayne Mansfield
60s: Raquel Welch, Ursula Andress, Jane Fonda
70s: Farrah Fawcett, Cheryl Tiegs, Loni Anderson
80s: Heather Locklear, Phoebe Cates, Brooke Shields
90s: Pamela Anderson, Cindy Crawford, Carmen Electra
00s: Megan Fox, Britney Spears, Jessica Alba
10s: Rihanna, Scarlett Johansson, Kim Kardashian
20s: Sydney Sweeney, Zendaya, Margot Robbie

I don’t agree with the 80s picks. I’d go with Heather Thomas (The Fall Guy & Zapped), Catherine Bach (Daisy Duke), and Erin Gray (Buck Rodgers & Silver Spoons). 

And I’d have to figure out how to get Alyssa Milano, Kathy Ireland, Tiffani Amber Thiessen, Sharon Stone, and Elizabeth Hurley on the list.

Btw, I’m looking at Raquel Welch pictures right now. Good god! She was way ahead of her time.

AI summary:

Where the male list shows an empire sliding into narcissistic youth, the female list shows an empire sliding into digital fabrication. We went from celebrating women who were exceptionally beautiful naturally, to manufacturing women who fit a precise, surgically engineered blueprint dictated by phone screens.

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 17, 2026 11:55 am

If you haven’t seen it, check out Flirting with Disaster. Téa is at her best. The entire cast is brilliant. 

And it has one of my favorite drug scenes. Pay attention to the bald guy.

Renaee
Reply to  Christ
October 16, 2026 9:55 pm

Just catching up – lucky I did not miss the greatest thread of all time 😂

My focus has been else where….

But checking in on my YT feed. Two vids of note (how well does YT know me)

Bali petrol outage. This was due to problem with one specific tanker and type of fuel.

And Italy diesel shortages and empty supermarket shelves.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
October 16, 2026 4:04 pm

Well, that was anticlimactic to say the least. Trump’s new Press Secretary, to whom we have given much attention here, lasted 5 days on the job. Apparently the coaching wasn’t adequate, whichever way it went. I told you I felt for her. Who’s going to take care of all the poor little sick duckies left high and dry?

Let this be a lesson to all of us, heavy make-up cannot disguise the desperate countenance of a crumbling, decrepit, end-stage Empire.

On the bright side, if this is the most gratuitous news I found first thing this morning, we’re here to die another day. It looks like Israel hasn’t jumped the gun yet and the MOAB hasn’t been dropped, but I am most certainly holding my breath.

Namaste friends, all the best to everyone.

Christ
October 16, 2026 3:05 pm

More tricks before the lights go out.

The techno-utopians will view this as a flying car and claim the future has arrived. Anyone grounded in reality will view it as a collapsing empire wasting the last of its energy surplus.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 2:08 pm

Kunstler’s vision of reality has gone right off the rails. I stopped reading him a while back.

Duke
Duke
Reply to  nikoB
October 17, 2026 1:47 am

I stopped a while ago as well. What the hell happened to him?

toomuchmagic
toomuchmagic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 17, 2026 7:45 am

No Kunstler skipped the shots.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 11:34 am

Yeah, and this is why I am so angry with myself in seccumbing to the propaganda on the Covid jab. I had followed the mRNA gene therapy research in its initial phases. Most of the invention and testing of this was done in the SF Bay Area and at UCSF medical center. I lived in SF and the surrounding area and worked in biotech. The initial trials of mRNA gene therapy killed the recipients and the “products” were never released by the FDA. So, I naively thought (or didn’t think at all?) that the FDA would never allow an untested mRNA vaccine out the door. What a fool I was.

AJ

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  AJ
October 16, 2026 2:13 pm

yes, but not an arrogant, self righteous one who can’t see their mistakes like most people who got on the vaccine bandwagon. I wish you long health AJ. Hopefully you just got saline.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 17, 2026 12:35 pm

A friend of mine, a top-rank doctor and professor , experienced terrible headache for a week after the 4th Pfizer shot, and I feared the worst, but they are still OK after years have passed. Fingers crossed.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  AJ
October 17, 2026 12:33 pm

You simply trusted, AJ: decent people tend to trust, I think.

I noted an interesting take on this on another blog: people acted under the ‘assumption of reciprocal integrity’.

Very good, I think.

They, having integrity, assumed the authorities did too.

Christ
October 15, 2026 8:50 pm

Eric Lee is a very abnormal human. Which is why I’m a fan of his even though I only understand about 25% of his ramblings. I like his worldview in this post.

View at Medium.com

My Worldview (with idiosyncratic parts 3–4 of a nature-centric worldview) in Four Sentences

1. Normal humans are storytelling animals.

2. No worldview — system of abstractions about the world, is the world system.

3. Modern humans believe in true stories that are to live (or die) by/for.

4. A story that modern humans are denormalized animals cannot be believed in.

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Christ
October 16, 2026 12:43 am

My Worldview in four paragraphs:

1) The universe is an at least three-dimensional system that operates on the principle of distributing all matter and energy inside of it equally across space.

2) The most efficient way to equilibrate is for molecules to self-assemble into biotic, self-replicating constructs that deplete all available gradients as fast as is possible.

3) To maximize efficiency, these biotic constructs are outfitted with mutations that allow them to attribute positive truth-values to entities that are either not true, not truth-apt or not testable.

4) People should be wearing more hats.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 9:38 am

Can we put it like this?

TPTB/The Hand/The Planners+Global Direcorate(whatever one wishes to call them): a controlled pre-emptive demolition.

CACTUS: your controlled demolition will quickly become uncontrolled and fatal. (And the End is Nigh anyway, just a little later).

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 11:32 am

What would be the US’s motivation for deliberately destroying the world economy? Given that our leaders want perpetual growth (which modernity most likely can’t exist without), this does seem odd.

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Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 2:46 am

Exactly, Rob.

Population and consumption reduction in proportion to declining resources, demographic change by elimination those over 60, or even 50, and Bio-Digital enslavement, al recommend themselves as making the Peak Everything crisis manageable.

And in establishing what they hope will be unassailable and permanent control.

New patterns of settlement,too, and building up some regions while running down or cutting out others: a global re-configuration.

And making lots of profit from new Tech and corruption along the way.

China is their Frankenstein’s Monster, and they are tying to hobble but not destroy, it.

These are the principal threads we can see running through all events and policies.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 10:31 am

I’m sure they call it Creative Destruction……..

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 4:56 pm

Sorry for the late reply: But at about ~17:30 in the video, they start talking about fertilizers and I just thought: Was the green revolution a Faustian bargain? We are about to discover how much we depend on what William Catton calls “phantom carrying capacity”.

This is also dovetailing with the “Super El Niño”…

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Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Stellarwind72
October 16, 2026 5:29 pm

Hello Stellar and all friends,

And I think this piece dovetails very nicely with your reference to our Super El Nino that we’re embarking upon. I just happened to come across it as it landed and I was very impressed by the presentation, here in Australia we do have some very admirable commentators and programs, even if they are of the MSM variety. For all of those out there that still don’t have a clue what and how El Nino and La Nina means (and I think Rob even admitted that he gets confused), this could be just the 26 minutes you were waiting for. I learned a lot, especially how the whole science of it started in Australia, seeing as it’s called the Southern Oscillation, after all. What I really appreciated was all the news footage of the past, it just added to the poignancy of how far and ultimately how little we’ve actually come through the years as a species trying to control and understand our world. HideAway, were you in Melbourne area on that fateful day and how about Ash Wednesday?

Now that we’ve added CACTUS to our observatory lens, the most powerful and probably the final tool in understanding our true human enterprise, all the rest are just chapters to the story that will come to a certain ending (but leave some space for an epilogue! Charles will agree!) If I may indulge in human exceptionalism here, it IS a pretty wild story and here we are alive to tell it.

Namaste and best to everyone.

Renaee
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 16, 2026 11:15 pm

I just watched it too!

Andrew remembers the dust cloud event rolling into Melbourne, he was in grade 4, inside class room.

The Ash Wednesday fires had a huge impact on me. I was 13. A couple of years later I did an assignment on it for geography. I got hand typed letters back from various govt department officials detailing stock losses etc. I was worried about climate from such a young age, and I don’t really understand why = maybe its those defective denial genes.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 11:17 am

I expect that Iran will make gasoline and diesel prices go as high as possible before the midterms to cause maximum damage to Trump, since they know he is incapable of negotiating in good faith.

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Christ
October 14, 2026 5:38 pm

I’m so tired of the excuse stories. Iain McGilchrist’s left/right brain crap. Nate Hagens and his guests droning on about dark triad traits and psychopaths. Bloggers invoking wetiko. And the endless fixation on late-stage capitalism.

Why is it so hard to accept that in a system physically designed to consume itself (where killing and stealing are the most thermodynamically advantageous actions) the micro product ends up turning out to be just as shitty as the macro?

To borrow a quote from indi (he was referring to Jewish people, but it applies much better to humanity as a whole): 

A few rotten apples really do spoil the whole bunch, and we have the opposite situation here. A few relatively unspoiled apples certainly cannot unspoil the batch.

The essay below kept my attention for its breakdown of the “asshole threshold”. But of course it veers off into pure hopium by the end. When is that “coalition of nobodies” gonna show up to save us? 

https://thegrimhistorian.substack.com/p/has-america-crossed-the-asshole-threshold

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Christ
October 15, 2026 4:42 am

The most biologically successful instance of homo sapiens was Genghis Khan. No one reproduced even remotely as much. That is all you need to know about the species. xD

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  J. Doe
October 15, 2026 4:48 am

Even though he had a close contender: “Sultan Moulay Ismail of Morocco (1672–1727): He officially holds the Guinness World Record for the most children fathered in history. A French diplomat visiting his court in 1704 recorded that the Sultan had fathered 1,171 children with his four wives and a harem of over 500 concubines. Modern computer simulations conducted by scientists have verified that this astronomical number is biologically possible if a man reproduces daily over a multi-decade span. [1, 2]”

These guys must have been walking around all day only thinking like a machine made to replicate itself: “MUST. REPLICATE. MUST. REPLICATE. MUST. REPLICATE.”

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  J. Doe
October 15, 2026 9:42 am

Given enough enslaved and ever-available, young females, anything is possible.

Peak copulatory ability must be about 4 to 5 times per diem for a healthy male declining over the decades.

Perhaps like oil reserves this is a gross over-estimate?

Simon
Simon
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 5:25 am

Thanks for sharing that, Rob. “Our job is to tell the truth fearlessly, and love one another relentlessly.”

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 9:48 am

I would argue that Trumpy hasn’t changed one bit; always rotten to the core.

He was one of the stable of potential candidates – mostly narcissistic and blackmailable – which the Deep State nurtures for use as and when expedient.

They will follow the script, obey their orders.

Under his administration, they are able to try lots of crazy-seeming stuff.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 11:24 am

Like this interview too. Even though there are core issues of both of them I disagree with (GOD), they attempt to be as honest as possible.

My take on Patel, Bongino, Epstein, and Trump) is that the worst that one can imagine (killing children, snuf videos, paticipating in that and more) is the threat that those who possess the information will make against anyone who discloses that to them and their friends and family could allow quite a bit of control.

AJ

steve c
steve c
October 14, 2026 5:48 am

https://www.mining.com/chile-copper-supply-under-pressure-as-disruptions-mount/?utm

What the heck are they going to stuff into all the data centers being built ? The mining trend should be tripping alarms in the halls of commerce and Econ academia , but no, just a piece in a mining journal.

There are smart people in the power hierarchy, they can see this stuff as easy as we can, what the heck is their plan?

So it goes.

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  steve c
October 14, 2026 8:05 am

The plan is to stuff all their MORT-generated delusions into those data centers, and they may not quite fit, those delusions take up A LOT of space!

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 2:09 am

Tell me when they are starting to annex Canada. I want to be at the frontlines when the fireworks start!

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 7:38 am

That should be followed by:

‘PS We are still going strong on Miracle mRNA vaccines, with that Great American Businessman Albert Bourla and others, to get rid of lots of you useless eater motherfuckers, making the energy per capita equation even more Wonderful for our Beautiful USA!’

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 3:09 am

It really is very curious indeed, certainly cannot be a coincidence that the exact same countries that did not adopt the mRNA transfection are the enemies of Empire. Thank you Rob for working this all out, your theory deserves an equally catchy acronym as CACTUS! Even though I didn’t take the shot, my brain is too mush right now to come up with anything clever, I shot my wad in an earlier post today.

It is such a strange time to be alive, so much so that for me, it’s one main reason for wanting to staying alive a bit longer just to see how this all pans out.

Namaste, friends.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 7:41 am

Are you really that isolated in your circle, Rob? No one at all with whom you can discus this openly?

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 11:44 am

Those losses are dreadful.

Fortunately I didn’t damage a single valued friendship, but I do look at others with different eyes now – ‘How can you not be angry, raging? How can you do just what you did before as though the Covid crime didn’t happen?” I find myself thinking.

Learning to live on what amounts to two different levels is an art.

Constant self-censorship, paying attention to what are trivialities compared to the tremendous event we lived through, is rather wearing.

Stellarwind72
October 13, 2026 6:07 pm

https://maxwilbert.substack.com/p/starving-orca-whales-and-ai-chatbots
Max Wilbert starts the article with details about how Orcas of the PNW coast are beind driven to extinction
More on why the internet is evil

Loss of salmon is only one issue the orcas face. In the 60’s and 70’s, aquariums and theme parks like Seaworld captured at 50 whales, killing a dozen more in the process.

Pollution takes its toll, too. Since orcas are apex predators, they bioaccumulate toxins and industrial poisons found throughout the ecosystem, and these substances — DDT, PCBEs, PFAS, heavy metals, radioactive waste, plastics, and beyond — are common in the urban waters between Olympia, Seattle, and Vancouver. A 2019 report found that orcas are “among the most highly polychlorinated biphenyl (PCB)–contaminated mammals in the world” and that “PCB-mediated effects on reproduction and immune function threaten the long-term viability of >50% of the world’s killer whale populations.” In Seattle, near where I grew up, PCBs, banned for over thirty years, still leach from a Boeing airplane manufacturing facility into the river.

…

Data centers are proliferating throughout the Pacific Northwest largely because this region has a large supply of reliable and cheap electricity from hydroelectric dams. This region gave birth to Microsoft and Amazon, two of the companies powering all of the technologies we’ve discussed in this series. The orcas are dying for their profits and growth. The same goes from Google, Facebook, Exxon, General Motors, SpaceX, the military industrial complex, and many others.

…

This is why I have written this lengthy series on the internet: because we must critically analyze the nature of history and present conditions. Because the internet is part of the critical infrastructure of modern industrial civilization, the structure which is destroying our planet. Because modern capitalism, authoritarian control, and surveillance rely heavily on the internet — this is why the Trump Administration has designated data center protesters as Chinese agents and called them “terrorists.” Because information power is essential to military power, economic power, and political power, and he wants more of it for his elite class. Because if we want to protect the orcas and future generations of human beings alike, we must undermine this power.

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Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 6:39 pm

The only way to end the war would be for Trump to negotiate with the Iranians in good faith, something that he is likely incapable of doing due to a personality disorder.

Remember even before becoming president, Trump had a history of stiffing his own contractors. Why would anyone trust someone who behaves like that? Frankly, If I were Iran, I’d just keep the straight closed until 2029, something they’ve already threatened to do.

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Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 7:46 am

They must have lots on JFK jnr too, with his history of drink, drugs and ‘sex addiction’.

Which is why he has completely betrayed his supporters over the mRNA vaccine programme, and stood meekly by while Trump praised Albert Bpurla as a ‘great businessman’ at the WH.

JFK jnr knows better than anyone how many they murdered.

Christ
October 13, 2026 3:45 pm

“But very serious internal damage with staying on the correct path of life.” 

“Everything after breaking the first energy constraint is irrelevant. Good, evil, indifference… irrelevant.”

Those are two of the many cringeworthy lines from my old fire manifesto. I was heavily infected at the time with a major case of the Noble Blob Myth.

If I were to write that essay today, I’d frame fire (along with full consciousness, civilization, and modernity) not as a break from nature but as the final logical manifestation of life itself… a system optimized to dissipate energy and eat itself.

This AI video dives into it a bit. The video portion is worthless, but the narration is pretty good. (h/t megacancer James)

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Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 7:55 am

I have lots of Kallo organic meat, low-salt, stock cubes which I piled up in 2020. I was curious to see how they have done, as they are soft and somewhat moist, not dry. . Way past the best by date, but still perfect.

I have a feeling most things, if well-packaged, will go for 5 years or more.

Also, duck and goose fat in glass jars seem to last well beyond the BB date, with no sign of rancidity at all – I once left a frying pan unwashed after breakfast as I rushed out to catch a train, and coming back after 2 weeks of hot weather it smelled as if corpse was on the kitchen! Rancid is unmistakeable.

These fats are still sweet, clean and edible.

One jar went liquid in a cupboard this summer, hard again in the fridge, and is perfectly fine. This is very encouraging!

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 3:49 pm

I have a feeling those duck sickers are gonna get plenty of coaching opportunities. 🤭🤭🤭

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Christ
October 13, 2026 7:05 pm

I just realised what you stated to get around the censors..

I just listened to the first press briefing, the reading out of the prepared statement was excruciating but in the Q&A bit she was better, when asked about her family..

Back when I was young, I use to get into trouble with the girls as I kept telling them they didn’t need to wear make-up. I just didn’t like it at all.

Then again I did hear of a good reason to wear thick make-up, it came from a member of the band KISS. He could walk down any street and no-one recognised and annoyed him, like they did famous people.

So yes I can forgive her for wearing the mask..

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Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 7:48 pm

🤣🤣🤣

I was gonna go with “duck sicking lips” but thought it would be too easy for the censors to crack.

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 8:17 pm

LOL. It’s a tempting offer but I’ll let indi handle that department.

https://indi.ca/just-say-jews-they-do/

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 6:59 pm

I read this … ” She’s already coaching Trump.”

as “She’s already couching Trump”.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 9:21 pm

I am really appreciating the entertainment value of this site along with getting coached on CACTUS by the best in the business. Seriously, at first when I scrolled on to see this stupefying visage (without reading the description), I thought that Rob must be sharing a photo of one of the many porn bots that favours him. Yipes! The amount of makeup must include a fair amount of the rare earth minerals that is otherwise in short supply in America.

However, I do feel for her (no, no, not feel her!) as her position as Trump’s spokesperson is as cringeworthy as they come, ahem. (I am not deliberately trying to be naughty here, but suffice it to say that sweet little Gaia got the duck sickers straightaway, but why use a duck when a cock is just as good a bird? we are talking birding here, aren’t we?)

Christ
Reply to  Gaia gardener
October 13, 2026 9:49 pm

LOL!!!

No fair sis, you’re too much of a wordsmith.

I don’t think I could slip a sexual innuendo past Mrs Conjugal even if my life depended on it.

p.s. Based on how they talk, these two would make the perfect couple.

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 11:49 pm

Because they don’t reproduce due to their turned-off MORT filters! ;D

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 3:23 am

Is that a riddle? Okay, I’ll play. The answer is because they can’t handle the prick. Ba-dum-tss!

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Gaia gardener
October 14, 2026 6:00 am

I have just the perfect song to go along!

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 4:34 pm

It just hit me why I’m so terrified of that face. I repressed this but I guess the shock of seeing that selfie was enough to jolt my memory.

Back in the summer of ’89 a devastating neurotoxin outbreak struck my hometown. Not through the water or the air, but through everyday hygiene and cosmetic products.

The exact details are foggy, but I remember something about a psychopath who was manipulating our vanity by lacing the products with a poisonous substance called Smylex. The poison was binary, meaning it was completely harmless on its own, but turned fatal when a person used a specific combination of the contaminated products.

Every day the news reports would list more and more products to avoid. After a while, a clear pattern was emerging; most of the males were successfully able to refrain from using any of the products. Sacrificing beauty and cleanliness were small prices to pay in order to avoid becoming infected. Unfortunately, the females had a tougher time making this sacrifice. Most of the girls at my school ended up looking like this:

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What a nightmare that was. Almost 40 years ago. A lot has changed since then. If the outbreak were to happen today, I think infected men would outnumber infected women.

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 15, 2026 8:38 pm

It’s not just about makeup. It’s everything. Shampoo, soap, deodorant, toothpaste, body spray, etc.

I was referring to the explosive rise of metrosexuality since 1989.

A metrosexual is a man—typically living in an urban or metropolitan area—who is especially meticulous about his personal appearance, grooming, fashion, and lifestyle choices.

From the person who coined the term in 1994:

“Metrosexual man, the single young man with a high disposable income, living or working in the city, is perhaps the most promising consumer market of the decade. In the Eighties he was only to be found inside fashion magazines such as GQ. In the Nineties, he’s everywhere and he’s going shopping.

The typical metrosexual is a young man with money to spend, living in or within easy reach of a metropolis—because that’s where all the best shops, clubs, gyms and hairdressers are. He might be officially gay, straight or bisexual, but this is utterly immaterial because he has clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference.”

LOL, that concept can only exist on the upward slope of a carbon pulse.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Christ
October 15, 2026 10:08 pm

Sounds like Calhoun’s rat colony experiments, results..

Christ
Reply to  HideAway
October 15, 2026 10:50 pm

Glad you mentioned Calhoun. I hear his name referenced all the time, but I don’t know much about his experiments.

I asked AI to explain your reply. Gave me a pretty cool answer:

*************

As the social fabric broke down under the stress of overcrowding and a complete lack of meaningful life roles, a bizarre new demographic of mice emerged. Calhoun famously named them “The Beautiful Ones.”

These mice completely abandoned traditional social and survival roles. They did not fight for territory, they did not protect females, and they completely lost interest in mating. Instead, they spent 100% of their time doing only two things:

1. Eating and drinking from the infinite supply.
2. Obsessively grooming themselves to keep their fur pristine and free of scars

Essentially, your friend agrees with your premise but takes it a step further. They are implying that peak consumerism isn’t just an economic luxury of the carbon pulse—it might be a biological symptom of a protected, resource-flush species losing its primal drive for survival and shifting entirely into hyper-grooming and narcissism just before a systemic crash.

If we take this parallel to its logical conclusion, a few striking similarities emerge between humanity’s peak consumer era and the final stages of Universe 25:

1. The Loss of Practical Roles: In the rodent utopia, traditional roles (like defending territory or gathering food) became obsolete because the environment did it for them. In a highly financialized, resource-flush city, many traditional human survival skills are similarly outsourced to the infrastructure. Meaning and purpose often shift from production (building, growing, protecting) to consumption (curating, grooming, tasting).

2. The “First Death”: Calhoun argued that before the mice physically died, they died socially and psychologically. They became entirely self-referential, treating themselves as their own primary focus. Mark Simpson’s description of the metrosexual taking “himself as his own love object” mirrors this perfectly. It is a state where the energy normally directed outward into the community or family is turned inward onto the self.

3. Demographic Realities: Just as “The Beautiful Ones” lost interest in the messy, stressful business of courtship and reproduction, the modern, hyper-developed, urbanized world is currently facing unprecedented, historic drops in birth rates. When life becomes a curated, low-friction aesthetic experience, the biological costs of raising the next generation are often viewed as a disruption to personal freedom and comfort.

By linking the carbon pulse to Calhoun’s work, your friend is highlighting a profound paradox: the very material success that allows a society to peak also creates the psychological conditions for its unwinding. The metrosexual wasn’t just a marketing demographic; he was a signpost of a civilization that had temporarily conquered scarcity, only to find itself trapped in the comfort of its own enclosure.

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Christ
October 16, 2026 1:22 pm
steve c
steve c
October 13, 2026 11:08 am

Can we just have our Archduke Ferdinand moment and get this over with? MORT awareness won’t happen or help, and the extra fast collapse will leave less despoliation.

Just got back from visiting relatives in Chicago, and it is so shocking and dumbfounding to see the never-ending torrents of cars and trucks and the cramped, high density housing and then think about the insane burn rate of resources to keep it all churning.

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-nato-drone-attacks-europe-leaders-warning/

And here in the heart of the empire? Get out there and buy your Halloween stuff. Do your part and consume! Click like to open a coupon!

The constitution erodes daily. So it goes.

So happy to be back home.Finished harvesting the chestnuts, walnuts, will be prepping for winter in these coming weeks.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 4:20 am

I can’t help myself but I will end my un-denial session for the day by asking how did your baked buns go? Surely you should be attracting scores of CACTUS savvy women with your domestic god skills!

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Gaia gardener
October 14, 2026 8:05 am

Not really: it means that Rob won’t be taking them out to expensive restaurants all the time. Or even cheap ones.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 5:41 pm

Rob, it’s not just CACTUS awareness, it’s general awareness, which I think is in this image attached to that essay…

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In case it didn’t show, it’s the one of the village with the stream through the middle, lots of productive plants, houses made of stone an mossy rooves, with solar panels on them…

Where do those solar panels get made in such a simplified, nice village and locally?? Where do the batteries get made, the inverters, the copper wire connecting them all, then the machines this electricity runs. Maybe simple ones like fridges, stoves, water pumps, hot water heaters, simple electric bikes, maybe some simple computers or phones, with miniature components and batteries, then of course the machines that collected and transported the raw minerals to the factories, plus the machines in all the factories.

Of course this future is all made locally from local resources that don’t exist…

It’s a sheer lack of awareness…

Who is working in all these non existent mines and factories if all the people are out being self sufficient tending the Garden of Eden portrayed in the picture? Perhaps it’s A.I. robots all made locally in the local A.I. chip factory and Robot factory..

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  HideAway
October 13, 2026 5:49 pm

BTW sodium batteries are not simpler technology than lithium batteries that are also not simple technology. Sodium batteries have a much wider charge/discharge voltage profile, which requires a lot of extra technology in inverters to cater for the wide voltage range. This means you need much thicker cable to the batteries as the amps carried when the voltage is low goes up dramatically.
Of course battery companies are trying to get around this problem by smarter battery management systems (BMS) in the batteries themselves. None of this is simple that can be made locally..

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 6:44 pm

Supply chains are definitely part of CACTUS, didn’t know I’d implied otherwise. My point about the “local” stuff Nate refers to is that it’s just not going to be possible. What I didn’t say is because of lack of supply chains if things are local.

I’m also wondering what people think ‘local’ means in a much simpler world. To me local is realistically within walking distance, though I’m sure to many people local means their country, which can be thousands of kilometres wide.

In the latter case, the simplification cannot be simple, as we would require machines to get all the different supplies from one side of the country to the other, which means the whole kit and kaboodle of mines with machines (for the really low grade ores that’s left), the factories and their machines, all made in the local (within the country) area.

None of this will be possible, just too many machines, made and serviced by too few people.

Do the hand wave of we’ll just make simple machines like the 60 year old tractors. Problem is to fuel these old inefficient, compared to modern tractors, requires fuel, and the fuel sources require complicated machines to access. What use is the simple tractor, if there is no fuel for it??

Thinking about it, are MORT and lack of awareness almost part of the same aspect. As in if you have MORT, you can’t be aware of the real implications of whatever is proposed. The mind somehow shuts down a realistic appraisal of the future.

How is it that those of us with the MORT defective gene or whatever it is, can just drive trucks through the holes made with such simplistic statements or beliefs like Nate is portraying in that essay..

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  HideAway
October 14, 2026 4:11 am

So true, so true. My definition of local is how far I can carry under my own steam something that is useful for survival. Depending on size and weight and purpose, that could be just a few hundred metres (or less) on the property (like carrying wood uphill), or several kilometres if going on a visit to exchange information, seeds, or a cup of tea. Our local community will be the few neighbours who also live on small acreage and we’ll be using whatever tools we have on hand until they break, turn every available square metre into food production, including carrying water from the creek. Solar panels and batteries will hopefully continue to work to increase our comfort by electricity until they don’t anymore, afterwards it will be wood chopping by hand and more bucketing of water. Things will certainly be even more local by then.

It really is staggering that our version of incipient reality is completely different from the fairyland as depicted in that AI generated utopic scene (only missing flying unicorns and rainbows). On second look, that scene is unfortunately reminiscent of the idyllic moments before that terror glacier mud tsunami ripped through the peaceful Nepalese valley. Alas, woe are we who are haunted with visions of catastrophe no matter where we look. Sigh, there is something to be said for having too much awareness, but once afflicted, one cannot unsee or unthink.

Namaste, friends. Enjoy this picture perfect day, the best we will have.

Ian Graham
Ian Graham
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 5:50 am

If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, it could be one of the ‘information hazards’ he listed on a recent ‘Frankly’.

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 8:14 am

Everything Nate Hagens says is also distorted by his desire to give people a happier, actionable picture.

That’s what his audience want.

‘There’s nothing you can really do to alter this dire trajectory’ will end his channel – not that I’m suggesting a profit motive.

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  HideAway
October 13, 2026 7:32 pm

I would have thought almost everything you see in the made-up picture would not be possible, in the type of future trying to be portrayed. Not even the clothes on their backs.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Lurker
October 13, 2026 9:14 pm

I went back and had a closer look at the picture, and thought exactly that, I should have mentioned the clothes as well, plus, plus, plus….

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  HideAway
October 14, 2026 6:08 am

Where are the shoes coming from? Your local synthetic rubber factory that totally isn’t using petro-chemicals for the process?

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  J. Doe
October 14, 2026 8:22 am

I have several pairs of traditional peasant Basque alpargatas, aka espadrilles. Used throughout Spain, of course.

Woven soles, cloth uppers; basically a very ancient, prehistoric design. That is true local design and sourcing.

I once made the mistake of buying a pair with a bit of rubber sewn on the sole, and almost broke my back slipping on wet tarmac!

In winter, they were covered with a leather or hide wrap-around.

The lower leg with wrap-around sheep skin.

Christ
Reply to  HideAway
October 13, 2026 7:42 pm

LOL

And look at the caption he has under the pic:

What might a new modernity that’s more in alignment with the biosphere look like?

Umm, certainly not that, Nate. Something a lot closer to this:

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Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Christ
October 14, 2026 4:14 am

Bro, I might have a mind like a gutter but your sarcastic wit knows no bounds. We make a good team.

J. Doe
J. Doe
Reply to  Christ
October 14, 2026 6:18 am

Are you even trying?

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  HideAway
October 14, 2026 8:08 am

And all their synthetic fabric leisure clothes…..

It’s so pathetic isn’t it?

Christ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 4:26 pm

I wasn’t on board with your countrywide mRNA logic at first… but I have to admit, you’re slowly winning me over.

HideAway
HideAway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 13, 2026 8:40 pm

Speaking of Aliens, the only place I’ve come across some research that realistically explains a CACTUS like collapse for modernity, is this paper from Wong and Bartlett..

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsif/article/19/190/20220029/90126/Asymptotic-burnout-and-homeostatic-awakening-a

It’s all about a solution for the Fermi Paradox, as in all aliens either crash and burn because of their super-linear scaling running into a brick wall of resource use, but more likely they have a homeostatic awakening and decide to power down..

“We have outlined a hypothesis that planetary civilizations, virtually connected by their dataomes, may grow along trajectories toward asymptotic burnout. As burnout approaches, civilizations may attain the cognitive horizon to understand their trajectory and affect a reprioritization towards homeostasis. Either outcome—homeostatic awakening or civilization collapse—would be consistent with the observed absence of Type III civilizations.

The goal of this article is simply to state the burnout–awakening hypothesis and provoke discussion, introspection and future work. Like so many other astrobiological hypotheses, there is no evidence yet that this idea is true, other than its rooting in the laws of life that seem to govern biological organization on Earth.”

Of course plenty of pushback as in why they are wrong, like this research paper…

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11523100/

“We have more confidence that some civilizations—but not all civilizations—will have the capacity to control super-linear growth curves and mitigate the effects of singularities as they navigate their way up the Kardashev scale” 

“Capacity to control” rolls eyes mercilessly..

We can only discuss the super-linear scaling in terms of socio-economic terms, even for aliens. We also make the huge mistakes of assuming the sublinear scaling in cities (both papers) applies to civilization as a whole.

No-one anywhere, or at least any research I’ve been able to find, actually looks at how the “economies of scale” (the sub-linear scaling) that applies to cities does not apply to civilization as a whole, as per the clear numbers we have on energy and materials use and growth rate over the last few centuries.

Every bit of research I find refers back to what happens in cities, then applies it to civilization, ignoring the not so minor detail that the economies of scale that do apply in cities don’t apply to civilization. It’s obviously something like MORT that makes it impossible for anyone to even investigate where civilization is heading..

Even the first paper by Wong and Bartlett, don’t bother to discuss how a planned degrowth is even possible, as it defies the physics and math…

I think the biggest difficulty I have isn’t that there is no solution, it’s that we, as in humanity can’t even have a discussion around possible pathways (even if they are unlikely to work), until the predicament is acknowledged.

Ignorance appears to be bliss…

Cynic
Cynic
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 14, 2026 8:26 am

There are a few vids of Ursula von der Leyen having tantrums.

In one, she announces that the EU will be building AI Medical Centres.

When the audience fail to applaud this amazing initiative, she makes them do it:

‘Well, I think it really is worth celebrating!’ and taking the hint, and the touch of menace, they start to clap.