On the Avengers and Denial

Thanos

I finally got around to watching the top grossing movies of 2018 and 2019, Avengers: Infinity War ($2.1 billion) and Avengers: Endgame ($2.8 billion).

This type of movie, with extreme fantasy super heroes and over the top special effects, is not my cup of tea, but I decided to watch them to get some insight into what our culture is thinking.

The bad guy, Thanos, understands that the universe is in overshoot which will soon cause extreme suffering from wars and starvation, so he acquires a technology to humanely vaporize 50% of life, without causing any suffering, so that the remaining 50% can live in peace and plenty, with new found awareness to constrain their populations going forward.

The good guys, played by the largest and most expensive collection of movie stars ever assembled, think Thanos’ plan is evil, and spend the next 5 hours of multi-million dollar special effects to thwart his plan.

In the end the good guys “win” by vaporizing Thanos and his thousands (millions?) of evil helpers. The outcome for civilization is vague but it seems technology solved the overshoot problem by providing more stuff so everyone had plenty. There was no tying up of loose ends to explain why Thanos’ all powerful technology could not have done the same.

Sadly, two of the heroes are killed in the final fight, but we are promptly and explicitly informed that their spirits live on, and that they know their sacrifices were not in vain.

I skimmed a few fan forums that debate the plot and motives of Thanos. As you might expect there was lots of heat and noise.

Fortunately, one of our most respected and well known scientists, Neil deGrasse Tyson, stepped up with a tweet to comfort the world that brilliant physicists think we’ll be just fine as long as we push on to Mars:

It’s a reasonable assumption that popular movies reflect the current zeitgeist of our culture and I observed the following:

  • The fact that the Avengers explicitly discussed the perils of overshoot suggests that many people must be thinking, at least subconsciously, about our predicament.
  • Which role was assigned to the bad guys, and which to the good guys, demonstrates how exactly wrong our culture is about reality.
  • The movie’s finale demonstrated once again how strongly our species denies death.
  • Neil deGrasse Tyson demonstrates that our best and brightest deny reality as strongly as the common man.

 

In a similar vein, a top grossing movie of 2014, Kingsman: The Secret Service, is a Tarantino’ish version of James Bond whose bad guy understands that the only way to address climate change is to rapidly reduce the population. The wrong guys win again in this movie.

 

The 2013 TV show Utopia, was cancelled after only 2 seasons, perhaps because it had a little too much reality.

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MickN
MickN
February 24, 2020 2:25 pm

Hi Rob
Talking of collapse themes in popular culture I am convinced that Game of Thrones was saturated in them. It was sold as a fast moving power struggle fantasy drama with surprising plot twists and quite a bit of the old how’s your father (not that that’s of much interest to a man of my advanced years).
It was all of these things but as became increasingly clear over the series there were less obvious themes playing out. The power of fossil fuels and what they enable and what happens when they go, infrastructure collapse, climate change and the resulting migrations, incurable diseases, the absolute power of the central banks, diminishing returns on mineral deposits and the wars that result (I’m sure that there were more) all wrapped up in a big blanket of denial.
I’ve not been able to bring myself to watch (must toughen up) the final series as apparently it has a surprisingly happy ending. It was not written by the original author. I don’t know why. Perhaps he couldn’t deal with what seemed to be the inevitable arc of the story? Anyway the product must get made.

On another subject, and I would have thought as a Canadian of more direct interest to you, do you remember a couple of months ago when the Iranians shot down that Ukrainian plane. If I remember correctly many of the passengers were Canadian citizens of Iranian descent. Thinking about the Iranian Covid 19 outbreak I wonder how many of those flights there have been recently. I agree we’re getting better info from John Campbell (and Chris Martenson) than any other source.
Anyway take care and thanks for continuing with the righteous fight against denial.

Ken Barrows
Ken Barrows
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 10, 2020 10:38 am

Federal Reserve Socialism has many short-term benefits.

Stephen Truslow
Stephen Truslow
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 9, 2020 7:15 am

I could relate to his life journey which entailed putting together all the pieces that make sense of how our world is put together, grappling with that reality and then finding some peace with it. My wife died 15 years ago and it taught me a lot about death and grief but also about what connectedness and love are all about. Paul’s such a humble and thoughtful person.

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 5, 2020 5:24 pm

He’s seen as drumming up fear because the word “coronavirus” is only new to the public as a direct designation, not something fundamentally different from SARS-CoV (2002) and MERS-CoV (2012). Both were controlled by the same strategies in play now.

If this were a radically different virus I’d be more concerned. It’s noted that plain old flu kills far more people in similar time-frames (typically the old) but many still don’t bother with vaccines. Risk perception is a strange thing and skews toward the unfamiliar.

Perran
Perran
January 31, 2020 10:39 pm

This was an interesting read I thought you might like Rob
https://theconversation.com/humans-are-hardwired-to-dismiss-facts-that-dont-fit-their-worldview-127168

He didn’t mention varki though.

Perran
Perran
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 1, 2020 5:26 am

Thanks for the reply. I’ve certainly found it easier dealing with people in denial (and recognising my own denial) since stumbling across your website and then reading Varki’s book. It really has helped me come to accept the way the world is.

il nuovo picasso
January 31, 2020 11:49 am

Celebrity physicists seem to have a problem with the concepts of finite and infinite, in fact, their core ideas are based on the observations and theories of the finite” known” universe that has no knowledge of the remaining infinite unknown universe. Why? first, because the remaining infinite universe and its laws may be beyond human detection or comprehension, and secondly – physicists either ignore or do not fully understand the meaning and implications of infinity itself.

Describing infinity metaphorically aids us in understanding how modern physicists are locked into a paradox similar to the infamous Greek philosopher – Zeno. – that leads to these failures. Consider if all the time since the Big Bang (alleged start of time) to this moment was just a single drop of water in a 12-ounce glass of billions of water drops – and then the glass is poured into the planet’s oceans to be mixed with a finite – but undefinable mix of untold mega-billions of ocean water drops. Picturing this tells us that our little water drop of time and observations would be of no relevance in the ocean’s immeasurable water drops of time.

Thus through this metaphor, we get a slight glimpse of understanding into what is meant by the infinity of anything, (time, data, energy, materials) and thus for physicists to draw conclusions based on just one small drop of time segregated from the vast ocean of time is not statistically sound nor conclusive in any way because the sample size is just too small to be utterly meaningful about any theory or hypothesis.

Which then boils down to that old quote-

“There are the known knowns,
The known, unknowns,
The unknown, knowns,
And most importantly -the unknown, unknowns…”

For these reasons I give little credence to such celebrity thinkers, and moreover because they cannot further comprehend or acknowledge the urgency of our situation – in that you cannot have infinite growth in a finite context – as our little drops (resources, climate, time ,etc.) in the ocean are not just a mere academic abstractions, but we are truly exponentially running out of these drops.

Thus the existential price of their celebrity failings is surely not just unacceptable but it is an unprecedented and undefinable human atrocity.

John Halstead
January 31, 2020 9:08 am

You might appreciate my essay on this topic: “The Avengers Won the War, But Lost the Argument: How Our Heroes Doom Our Future” https://abeautifulresistance.org/site/2019/5/8/the-avengers-won-the-war-but-lost-the-argument

Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
January 31, 2020 7:40 am

Thanks, Rob… excellent and right on the mark, as usual.

False Progress
January 31, 2020 3:31 am

At least Thanos struck a chord, as you can see by looking up “Thanos was right.” But beyond the abstract, few would volunteer for his plan!

Some other films with related quandaries:

“Z.P.G.” (even with Paul Ehrlich still popular) had a plot about people rebelling against necessary birth control. “They Live” blamed consumerism on aliens, with people as hapless victims. The viral-humans speech in “The Matrix” told the truth but a virtual reality cure was deemed unacceptable. “WALL-E” was praised for its environmental message but the director oddly said it was just a subplot.

“Soylent Green” was one of the few films that stayed on topic, and needs a sequel. The “…nobody cares!” scene in “Silent Running” was spot-on about human apathy.

Regarding Neil deGrasse Tyson: He also perpetuated denial about energy sprawl, claiming “Unlike solar collectors, wind farms take up very little land, and none at all, if offshore, where the winds are strongest.” (Cosmos episode 12). Imagine looking at millions of skyscrapers and pretending to only see their basements, or thinking the mere fact of putting huge machine arrays on water nullifies their impact.

He also failed to mention that we can put solar panels on existing buildings, and his whole Cosmos series made no mention of nuclear as a sprawl-stopper.

shastatodd
shastatodd
Reply to  False Progress
January 31, 2020 8:29 am

most people are either in
stage 1 (denial) or
stage 3 (bargaining)
which is where degresse’s “solar and wind will save us” nonsense comes from.

hint: “renewables” are not renewable… and technology is no savior.

False Progress
Reply to  shastatodd
February 3, 2020 2:18 am

You must also wince whenever some toe-deep environmentalist chants “100% Renewable Energy!” or uses the hashtag #RE100. Can’t these people lift a finger to run the math?

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2020 2:28 am

I started watching it many years ago and can’t recall if it was good. I must have started skimming when the plot became obvious. It could deserve a 2nd chance. “Children of Men” also made me think of VHEMT more than anything!

Disclaimer: One kid here, and not a nihilist. Just tired of seeing nature ruined by sheer numbers of people and machines.

Lathechuck
Lathechuck
January 31, 2020 2:58 am

It turns out that all you really need to do to reduce the population is give women a choice about bearing children, and offer them employment. Distract men with Internet porn. Capitalism drives wages down, work becomes mandatory, child-care unaffordable, and soon reproduction rates fall below replacement. It took a few decades, but the trend is so clear that the next big crisis (so they tell us) is the forecast collapse of pension funds due to the shrinking pool of taxable workers.

False Progress
Reply to  Lathechuck
January 31, 2020 3:50 am

That’s no panacea because the “all you really need to do” part requires burning diminishing fossil fuels and being capable of modernity that some cultures can’t achieve. They’ve had as much time as anyone to do it and they keep squandering aid thrown at them. It has to be an innate thing they can sustain without meddling.

Population growth momentum also assures continuing environmental damage for many decades, especially with “clean energy” schemes ruining what’s left of open space. I’m far less concerned about Man’s unnatural pyramid scheme economy falling. It’ll have to shrink anyhow. Too bad people can’t do it voluntarily and prevent a lot of misery.