By Bill Rees: On the Virtues of Self-Delusion—or maybe not!

Dr. Bill Rees, Professor Emeritus from the University of British Columbia, gave a presentation on our overshoot predicament earlier this month to a zoom meeting of the Canadian Association for the Club of Rome (CACOR).

I’m a longtime fan of Dr. Rees and consider him to be one of the most aware and knowledgeable people on the planet.

This is, I believe, the best talk I’ve seen by Dr. Rees and he covers all of the important issues, including topics like overpopulation that most of his peers avoid.

Presentations like this will probably not change our trajectory but nevertheless I find some comfort knowing there are a few other people thinking about the same issues. This can be a very lonely space.

The Q&A is also very good. I found it interesting to hear how much effort Dr. Rees has made to educate our leaders about what we should be doing to reduce future suffering. He was frank that no one to date, including the Green party, is open to his message. Not surprising, but sad. Also inspiring that someone of his stature is at least trying.

Summary

Climate-change and other environmental organizations urge governments to act decisively/rapidly to decarbonize the economy and halt further development of fossil fuel reserves. These demands arguably betray:

– ignorance of the role of energy in the modern economy;

– ill-justified confidence in society’s ability to transition to 100% green renewable energy;

– no appreciation of the ecological consequences of attempting to do so and;

– little understanding of the social implications.

Without questioning the need to abandon fossil fuels, I will argue that the dream of a smooth energy transition is little more than a comforting shared illusion. Moreover, even if it were possible it would not solve climate change and would exacerbate the real existential threat facing society, namely overshoot.

I then explore some of the consequences and implications of (the necessary) abandonment of fossil fuels in the absence of adequate substitutes, and how governments and MTI society should be responding to these unspoken biophysical realities.

Biography

Dr. William Rees is a population ecologist, ecological economist, Professor Emeritus, and former Director of the University of British Columbia’s School of Community and Regional Planning.

His academic research focuses on the biophysical prerequisites for sustainability. This focus led to co-development (with his graduate students) of ecological footprint analysis, a quantitative tool that shows definitively that the human enterprise is in dysfunctional overshoot. (We would need five Earth-like planets to support just the present world population sustainably with existing technologies at North American material standards.)

Frustrated by political unresponsiveness to worsening indicators, Dr. Rees also studies the biological and psycho-cognitive barriers to environmentally rational behavior and policies. He has authored hundreds of peer reviewed and popular articles on these topics. Dr. Rees is a Fellow of Royal Society of Canada and also a Fellow of the Post-Carbon Institute; a founding member and former President of the Canadian Society for Ecological Economics; a founding Director of the OneEarth Initiative; and a Director of The Real Green New Deal. He was a full member of the Club of Rome from 2013 until 2018. His international awards include the Boulding Memorial Award in Ecological Economics, the Herman Daly Award in Ecological Economics and a Blue Planet Prize (jointly with his former student, Dr. Mathis Wackernagel).

I left the following comment on YouTube:

I’m a fellow British Columbian and longtime admirer of Dr. Rees. Thank you for the excellent presentation.

I agree with Dr. Rees’ prescription for what needs to be done but I think there’s a step that must precede his first step of acknowledging our overshoot predicament.

Given the magnitude and many dimensions of our predicament an obvious question is why do so few people see it?

I found a theory by Dr. Ajit Varki that provides a plausible explanation, and answers other important questions about our unique species.

The Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory posits that the human species with its uniquely powerful intelligence exists because it evolved to deny unpleasant realities.

If true, this implies that the first step to any positive meaningful change must be to acknowledge our tendency to deny unpleasant realities.

Varki explains his theory here:

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-030-25466-7_6

A nice video summary by Varki is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqgYqW2Kgkg

My interpretations of the theory are here:
https://un-denial.com/denial-2/theory-short/

https://un-denial.com/2015/11/12/undenial-manifesto-energy-and-denial/

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monk
March 29, 2022 1:40 pm

I share this today if you want to read some good old fashioned denial dressed up to look intelligent. For some reason the author, David McEwen, has focused on weight, while ignoring the basic principles of energy; like there’s always waste every time you convert energy (don’t get angry, that’s just how the universe made it). There are so many faults in this article, just about every line has something infuriating in it. #wishfulthinking
Energy to Waste – Fossil Fuels’ Dirty Secret: https://illuminem.com/energyvoices/011290d4-686c-4d4b-a0cd-e7cc7c56dec3

AJ
AJ
March 28, 2022 4:38 am

My biggest question is where is all the energy for his space ventures going to come from? fusion? oil? di-lithium crystals most likely. He initially offended my by reading Carl Sagen and they dismissing his wisdom. Is he smart? Is a con artist smart? I think he has been incredibly lucky (Ebay, Paypal, Tesla, and a fixed stock market propped up by the Fed) and people think that is genius. When the market crashes he’ll be forgotten. So much denial he proves MORT just by himself.
AJ

monk
Reply to  AJ
March 28, 2022 12:01 pm

I think he is a really good con artist.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 28, 2022 6:25 am

Rob, I listen to Wolf and I think he nailed the whole problem. The FED either props up the market, housing, and the US economy or it props up the US dollar as the global reserve currency . If they don’t raise interest rates to kill inflation then no one will have any faith in the US dollar. (However that faith may have just been destroyed by US sanctions on Russia and us confiscating their reserves that are not in Russia. Many countries are now trying to get rid of US Treasuries because they fear the same could happen to them-the US may have destroyed the global reserve currency on its own).
So the Fed is really between a rock and a hard place, blow up the US economy or destroy the dollar as the world reserve currency? Correct me if I’m wrong.
AJ

Perran
Perran
March 26, 2022 9:39 pm

Well my son has now nearly fully recovered. He was quite sick for two days being very lethargic and slept most of the two days. Started recovering on the third and by the fourth day 100%.
So far no one else in the house has shown symptoms. We live in a small one bedroom house and my other son shares his bedroom with his brother. I made no attempt at reducing contact while he was sick. Ivm? Vit d? Zinc? Spending lots of time outside? Luck? Fuck knows but so far I’ve avoided it.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Perran
March 27, 2022 2:55 am

Thank your parents for providing you good hearty stock and well done on figuring out the rest on your own. Great news that all is well and now your immune systems are primed properly and stronger for it when it comes time for variant XYZ.

This will be a confidence booster (if I may use that term) for your sons so they will know in future to trust in their own common sense and do their own research before listening to the main stream narrative, especially when it comes to their health. Also this has given them invaluable experience to trust in their own innate body wisdom to heal. Sometimes all our bodies ask for is a bit of patience and tolerance for some inconvenient and uncomfortable symptoms whilst it gets on with the job of fighting infections and cleaning house. Rest, hydration and sometimes fasting (which is often secondary to our bodies mounting fevers) have always been time honoured methods since time immemorial for healing. So well done and thank you for helping instil this wisdom for them.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 28, 2022 2:24 am

Steve Kirsch´s substack was one of the first that I encountered during my research regarding the Covid issue. Since then, I took a deep dive into substack and subscribed to way too much substacks. I did a clean-up a few days ago, but Steve´s substack still remains as I find him very informative. I fully support his 20 questions catalogue.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 26, 2022 1:02 am

I’m no Sherlock by any means but I can’t help but return to this quote when confronting questions like these. “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” Whether deliberate or guided, all these people (and our world governments) have effectively let this catastrophic response unfold, the question really isn’t any more on-purpose but rather for what purpose? I just can’t get away from this conclusion. Why hasn’t any in this crowd come forward even though they know by now that they must have gotten something wrong? I saw a recent interview given by Rochelle Walensky at her alma mater university, just shocking and I was nearly made nauseous by her flippancy.

https://peterlegyel.wordpress.com/2022/03/21/clueless-cdc-admits-they-never-suspected-waning-vaccines/

It must be that they think they have safety in numbers, as long as no-one goes down or comes clean, they are all protected. Of course there’s an overdose of denial happening here, too–I think that’s long overtaken religion as the opiate of the masses.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 26, 2022 3:32 pm

I understand your feelings. I started the pandemic thinking that the “authorities” were just misguided. But after awhile I was certain they were at least fools or idiots; but now think they are all captive to “group think” and denial of reality. Then we pivot to Ukraine and I am certain they are ignorant and malevolent. I will never vote again (I wasted all that time thinking democracy was responsive to the people and that the best and brightest would rise to the top). Such disillusionment. Now I only respect science and rationalism.
AJ

Perran
Perran
March 24, 2022 9:54 pm

My son bought covid home from school. He’s quite crook actually. I’m a bit surprised. For all the talk of omicron been mild I’m not taking any chances. Taking 6ug/kg ivm, zinc, quercetin and melatonin at night. I’m out in the sun and already had exorbitant vit d levels so not bothering with that. I’ll let you know if and how it goes.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Perran
March 25, 2022 3:48 am

G’day Perran, I believe I’m actually your neighbour in the Huon Valley, we’ve got a small holding in Glen Huon. Nice to find you here, and once again thanks to Rob for bringing us all on the same page. Sorry to hear that your son’s unwell and your household is on high alert. A prophylaxis treatment that I do is nasal rinsing with saline, you might try that with diluted Betadine added to the salt solution. The idea is to flush/kill the virus whilst it is in the nasal passage before it can take a foothold. Hope all goes well and your family is bouncing back with health soon. Hasn’t the Autumn weather been lovely in our corner of paradise?

Perran
Perran
Reply to  Gaia gardener
March 25, 2022 4:39 am

We can get to Glen huon without going on the bitumen by going out one of our back farm gates and trespassing through some plantation and then past the gun club. Your welcome to drop by (probably not right now though). We’re on the left at the top of the hill coming from castle Forbes Bay. We all know each other up here so the neighbours will point you in the right direction if you go to the wrong spot.
I forgot to mention I’ve been using nasal sprays. I’ve actually been doing it if after I’ve been in a high risk setting for several months. I’m using it three times a day at moment. No symptoms yet.
Yes the weather is great. I’m frantically getting ground ready to seed some more pasture so I hope it holds out for another week.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Perran
March 26, 2022 12:41 am

Thank you for that invite, neighbour. You’re most welcome to our place, too, we’re just across from the old mushroom farm which you will know if you’re a local, or perhaps you’re a transplant like me? Although we’ve been here in Tassie for 23 years as refugees from the States, my American accent remains and I am only too pleased when Aussies ask if I’m Canadian. Glad to hear that all is going well in your household and it looks like you’re certainly on top of the prevention and early treatment protocol. I think I’m ready as can be for the virus but trusting that our best defence is a virgin inoculation (I refuse to call the shots vaccines) status so our own immune system can effect true longer term immunity if and when (it looks like when) we get the virus. I can’t believe they’re now recommending the 4th shot for people over 65 when they’re out scratching their heads over why there was such an jump in excess mortality in aged care homes in January and February, and not due to Covid. It seems that the Booster is certainly boosting something. Stay safe and well, everyone.

required
required
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 25, 2022 2:59 pm

I genuinely don’t understand how it would be possible for an economy to be able to keep on going by creating lots of debt with printed money. That it if it’s based purely on physics (which makes absolute sense). Isn’t there a contradiction somewhere? Thanks!

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 26, 2022 5:50 am

Despite the believe, the system will have to crash sooner or later, right!?

My forecast: 2025, because of energy deflation!

You can not eat a meal you only believe in , what is not physically avialable!

So believe will not save us:

Peter
Peter
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 31, 2022 7:44 am

Rob Garth Turner has a blog on the Canadian Housing Bubble. 2% mortgages are heading to 6% by fall and the Bank of Canada is talking 0.5% rate hikes instead of 0.25%. They realize they have no choice now except to further prick inflation. The cycle of cheap interest that started 20 years ago is over at least for now. That will pull all kinds of spending out of our economy as peoples HELOCS(home equity lines of credit) dry up. Particularly in our part of the world (Vancouver Island and lower mainland) people have been buying vehicles, renovations, RV’s and all inclusive trips on their HELOCS and that will end. It’s illusory wealth.

Peter
Peter
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 26, 2022 8:19 am

One more factor-the global chip shortage. We have built a system where chips are required for everything.

To meet current fuel mileage standards new vehicles have even more chips. Many new cars now have highly electronic 8, 9, 10 and 12 speed automatic transmissions. Most new cars now have crap like active cruise control, lane departure assist. Now we have a chip that shuts off and restarts the engine at the lights and another that deactivated cylinders when not needed.

Now we have “smart” homes with sensors that turn off light when you leave the room.

The energy we need to produce these “efficiencies” doesn’t factor the energy needed (coking coal) to manufacture them. I can’t see the shortage going away. This is the perfect opportunity for the auto industry to produce vehicles only by ordering them and customers paying full retail. Maybe they can go to much smaller dealer lots as well.

monk
March 24, 2022 3:19 pm

So apparently the pipes of our one oil refinery in New Zealand are being filled with concrete. How good will this be for reducing emissions!? LOLz we are doomed https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/03/22/marsden-point-pipes-being-filled-with-concrete/

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 24, 2022 3:45 am

And also maybe it’s strategic to keep your biggest guns up your sleeve until the situation warrants, just the threat that you might use it can cause the desired effect as you point out that it seems to be happening in other arenas. I am hoping that this applies to Russia’s literal biggest gun of nuclear bombs as well as shutting off the gas.

I’ve been thinking that cash isn’t the main driver although it it may be expedient for Russia now to go along with the narrative that it may default. For some years now, the BRIC alliance has been gaining cohesion of their geopolitical and economic goals, to the point where Russia and China have jointly stated in their 4th Feb 5000 word document that “Friendship between the two States has no limits, there are no ‘forbidden’ areas of cooperation”. Putin has declared the Russian-Sino relationship as one that probably cannot be compared with anything in the world. This is a definitive declaration to the world that a new world order is upon the horizon and Russia and China will be the countries to usher it in.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/12/breaking-down-that-putin-xi-joint-statement-on-a-new-era/

Wouldn’t it be a logical next step for the Russian and Chinese currencies to amalgamate as a precursor to the global currency whilst taking down the US dollar and the Euro from their eyrie status as reserve currencies? With India, Brazil, and some Middle Eastern states in this alliance, trade of nearly everything could continue between them and the West could be completely shut out. These countries have all the resources needed for a self sustaining economy (such as it is for the short term). This would be a spectacular take-down move and I can’t see why or how it can’t be done, the question is just the timing of. Which is maybe why the real effect of this war is to prepare the way for such an outcome, with markets ready to collapse like a house of cards and a new hegemony ready to take its place. The bear and dragon have been long asleep but now they both are wide awake and we have only just realised they are emerging from the same den/lair.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 24, 2022 12:24 pm

I believe Russia actually wants this to be a limited military operation and aren’t interested in escalating beyond their stated strategic objectives. They had to expect sanctions, and I would also guess that they know sanctions of energy aren’t going to be possible. Perhaps there is political value in letting the West come to that conclusion on their own – i.e. since time is on their side no need to instigate.

monk
March 23, 2022 12:50 pm

What do you un-deniers make of people who genuinely believe we are heading into a mini ice age from a grand solar minimum? From the little bit I have read of the science, it seems that solar activity is very tricky to predict. I wonder if believing in a coming grand solar minimum is a convenient way to deny climate change? A solar minimum or solar maximum is possible, but as far as I know there is only one paper and one research suggesting we are heading for an imminent grand solar minimum.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  monk
March 23, 2022 3:14 pm

Having given it a moderate amount of time my interim conclusion is that (1) It’s obviously true the sun is the primary contributor to global climate patterns, (2) the sun has and will continue to create fluctuations which have contributed to past cold and warm periods, though the degree seems to be undecided. Part of this indecision seems to be that past periods overlapped volcanic activity (i.e. mini ice age). However, the magnetic changes during these sunspot cycles may be a contributing factor to volcanic activity due to the impact on the earths magnetic fields. (3) I do not believe in a conspiracy theory that this knowledge is being concealed in favor of advertising global warming.

If I had to summarize it would be “possible, hard to say for sure, and irrelevant in the big picture” unless one is concerned primarily about short/mid term famines.

In general I choose to avoid it, along with global warming, as I situate the latter as a problem under the larger context of overshoot. Global warming, or cooling being neither sufficient nor necessary to establish overshoot as our key problem.

On Climate Change my professional society, and the data we use for mechanical engineering, shows a clear moderate increase in the volume of warm weather over the last century in most geographical areas. In some it has come down slightly. So I’m in the “real, but undecided on the most catastrophic extrapolations of the data.”

monk
Reply to  theblondbeast
March 23, 2022 3:18 pm

That’s an excellent summary, pretty much the conclusions I have come to as well

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 22, 2022 8:43 pm

Thanks for that follow up summary!

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
March 21, 2022 10:31 pm

This is news that connects those of us here Down Under with the other hemisphere, what do you make of the fact that both poles this past weekend broke, nay, smashed, their previous temperature records by upwards of 40C (?!!?) at one location in Antarctica and 30C in the Arctic! Now that is insane.

Apparently, attribution studies are needed to tease out the likelihood of this stunning event occurring in the absence of human induced climate change, which could take months or years to peer-review.

Happy Equinox everyone.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/21/extremes-of-40c-above-normal-whats-causing-extraordinary-heating-in-polar-regions

David
David
March 21, 2022 5:22 pm

Twitter suspended The Babylon Bee for making a joke about gender stuff. They won’t lift the suspension unless the Babylon Bee deletes the tweet.

But it’s OK to openly call for the assassination of the president of a G20 country.

I feel like we’re in a simulation, and the programmer is just fucking with us.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 22, 2022 4:34 am

Rob,
I have read everything that Chuck Watson has written on the Ukraine war. I think he is spot on in his historical analysis and his concerns about how this could result in a nuclear war. This has led to my being even more depressed and cynical about the future. However, I disagree with Nate Hagens on The Saker. I think one needs non-Western sources of insight and information (sure can’t trust western MSM). Sure I scan Tass and RT but they are as captive as western MSM. The Saker provides a Russian perspective without being an official extension of Russia. I also think he understands the Russian mindset. I also like watching/listening to The Duran. Their analysis of the news seems to be the most insightful and they are not the stupid MSM.
AJ

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  AJ
March 22, 2022 6:19 am

Good point – I like reading perspectives and appreciate that bias is acceptable. If anything, I think it’s dangerous to believe one has found an “unbiased” source. That can lead to fundamentalism, credulity, and ultimately disillusionment.

I read the saker and understand there may be some bias, whether from a nationalistic or Christian angle. I read Alice Friedman and Jim Kunstler, though they both wear their politics on their sleeves.

monk
March 20, 2022 11:46 pm

Gail is finally telling off Fast Eddy LOL.
Gail Tverberg says: Perhaps you need to slow down your comments. We don’t need so many of them.

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 21, 2022 12:19 am

Honestly her blog would be helped immensely if he was just banned. It would probably help him too, it can’t be healthy the amount of time he spends looking at all those links and writing all those comments.
JMG shared this article about how to spot forum spies and forum disrupters. I’m all for having differing view points, but Fast Eddy and his ilk are disrupting the discourse, whether intentionally or not.
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

monk
Reply to  monk
March 21, 2022 12:07 am

He’s clearly round the turn. You know I think most of the crazies on OFW are New Zealanders … weird huh? I saw recently we have the highest google search rate for the term ‘peak oil’.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 21, 2022 6:53 am

“An aware person would replace “willful mass delusion” with “genetic denial of reality”.”

Absolutely – whether we have “will” or not pales in comparison to the fact that we do indeed have drives. Varki elegantly provides a modern explanation of why these drives have a chief side effect of denying reality.

gwb
gwb
March 19, 2022 9:22 pm

Off on another topic here, but this just came to my attention – apparently, piston-driven propeller aircraft in the U.S. still use leaded avgas, at the thousands of local general-aviation airfields across the country. Leaded fuel in propeller aircraft is the major source of airborne lead pollution in the U.S. I came across this report:

Click to access FOE_Avgas_report_FINAL.pdf

According to the report, the countries where leaded avgas is still allowed are: Algeria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, North Korea, Yemen and … the United States. Boy, are we in great company.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 19, 2022 1:15 pm

I could only watch the video for a while. The sound was so bad that when you turn up the playback speed it was hideous. This just still reinforced my feeling that we (in the U.S.) might not be around in a few weeks. Odds are not good if anyone uses even one nuke. Putin will not back down and the U.S. thinks they can fight a nuke war or limit it to Europe. What fools on the U.S. side. Nuclear winter is not to be trifled with. The chance that Russia goes nuclear because of a poor early warning system is scary. Why are people such idiots. I think without fossil fuels civilization would never have gotten to this stage. Without denial we probably wouldn’t have either (it allows very risky behavior).
AJ

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 19, 2022 4:10 am

Tasmania has also experienced a 95% die off of its giant kelp forests in the last 10 years. First triggered by ocean warming and now ignobly finished off by sea urchins. The beaches here are also still looking pristine but just under the surface it is a wasteland. The silver lining is efforts are being made to “replant” the kelp by tying seedlings to the reef but how will these survive with continued rising temperatures and the now ubiquitous urchins? Methinks the real urchins are we. I can’t agree more with you that Nature will always find a way and bats last.

Philip Parker
Philip Parker
Reply to  Gaia gardener
March 20, 2022 4:11 am

Seagrass beds in Florida are toast so they have to feed the manatees lettuce to keep them from starving. Totally sustainable, no problem: https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/florida-plan-manatees-working-thanks-25-tons-lettuce-rcna16539

Peter
Peter
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 26, 2022 7:59 am

Hi Rob:

I retired last year from the BC Ministry of Forests and Lands. They now have staff dedicated to issuing licenses for Kelp but no one overlooking the harvest. It’s typical government if they can make money at it.

robert
robert
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 5, 2023 2:35 pm

its very difficult to usefully assess the nuclear threat and impossible to do much about it – its manifestly an irrational phenomena – psychology may be the only useful approach to it.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 17, 2022 3:26 pm

Rob,
I was just about to post this to your blog! I have been so depressed since I read this (and all his sub-links) about an hour ago. It’s hard not to go out and have a large drink and a cigar (and throw to hell all of my reformed, healthier living of the last 9 months). This was the most scary analysis I have read since Watson’s prior post on this subject a few weeks ago. The only solution I see is that Biden doesn’t change his mind (if there is one) on the no fly zone and Russia winds up it’s victory over the Ukrainian rulers rapidly (and there is a change in Ukrainian leadership). Even that is fraught with potential for going south. We are led by fools and are a nation (the entire West) of fools (at least 50% of us). I remember the Cuban missile crisis and the whole duck & cover era and anyone who thinks civilization or humans survive a nuclear war is an idiot.
Perhaps this is how we end evolution’s experiment with large brains? Would this scenario even have been possible without oil/natural gas? Probably couldn’t have gone nuclear with just coal (I don’t think it would scale up enough)?
Thanks for the blog – it’s contributed to my sanity for the last year or so.
AJ

David
David
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 17, 2022 6:30 pm

I told my sister a couple of months ago, that no matter how crazy the Covid hysteria was, I hoped that it continued for as long as possible, because what comes next would be worse. I knew the next thing would be bad, but I assumed a cyber attack, not a slow-motion wind up to WW3. And I have become convinced that the West is the bad guy in this drama. If it weren’t for the beautiful spring weather, I would be a complete mess.

Perran
Perran
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 18, 2022 2:40 am

Just on case you do decide to go off line Rob, I’d like to thank you for all your effort in maintaining this blog. You’ve had a big impact on me.
I really do think of switching off too sometimes.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 18, 2022 5:18 am

Hello Rob and friends,

I hear you and join in the commiseration for our self-exalted species, now clearly endangered. Hang in there, stalwart un-deniers! Maybe also being pushed to the brink of stupefied incredulity for how everything is unfolding has led me to ponder the issue from a new perspective: could it possibly be that the world events are actually transpiring to meet an agenda long set and planned, one that is fully cognisant of the overshoot predicament and is a concerted attempt to re-direct the course of human existence as restitution? Maybe instead of thinking our leaders are utterly inept, could it be that they are working under the pull of a hidden hand which has placed all the players on the chessboard for their ability to accomplish their part of the mission? It all begins with the question of how else to address our overshoot for energy dependence except to simultaneously reduce our population and collapse the economy? Isn’t what is happening (pandemic, real or otherwise, the subsequent vaccine mass experiment, expanding war arenas and the geopolitical, economic fallout) leading to these two very outcomes through increased morbidity and mortality, globalized supply and production meltdown, and energy scarcity which will ultimately implode our economic house of cards. This will lead to ever more morbidity, mortality and conflict but eventually secure the goal of severe reduction of population as well as energy consumption. We gather here together to bemoan the fact nothing is being done about what needs to be done, and nothing is being said what needs to be decried from every mountaintop, but perhaps the wheels are already in motion to do the very stuff that no-one can speak or admit out loud. For how would the reaction be if world leaders openly declaimed our inevitable predicament with the predetermined twin solution of immediate population reduction policies and controlled collapse of the material world as we know it. Every pandemic would be seen as a planned extinction event, there would be no hope of enticing unsuspecting masses to experimental vaccines, and a general societal collapse due to disintegrating trust in every system would ensue—that is if humans truly can overcome their erstwhile saviour and panacea, Denial, which at this point remains debatable! Perhaps denial is our saving grace after all, because if the masses can and do wake up, chaos and anarchy most likely will be the first and irreversible reaction. Thus, I have come to accept that this truly is a topic which cannot and must not be named, if there is any hope of a staged, controlled contraction of our human dominion. Once this realization came into my consciousness, I took on the mind game of being world leader pretend who actually is trying to balance ultimate survival of the planet and humanity–how better to effect my agenda without reveal than to hide it in the open where the denial-bedecked masses will just come to accept as their lot in life, living in these perilous and changeable times. We can understand war (even nuclear), pandemics, disease, famine, scarcity, reduced fertility, and natural disasters because permutations of these events have plagued humanity from year dot–they have made and destroyed empires and levelled populations in a manner that offends but not obliterates our sensibilities. And perhaps this is even where I can convince myself that progressive but ultimately controlled destruction is the more humane effort and in the final analysis leads to less overt suffering. Is it more compassionate to spare the masses from knowing and experiencing the catastrophic fate that awaits with certainty if no intervention was attempted and just usher them through the remainder of what seems a reasonable life given the circumstances, albeit shortened, less prosperous and more turmoiled? I do not begin to presume that I can even can begin to know, but perhaps some other entity who actually has that prerogative and power has already cast the die and the game has begun in earnest. Is this something to mark with solemn approbation or abject horror? Would any one of us cast the first stone in judgement for that which we have no other recourse? I am but a humble witness as well as participant to this unchartered reality.

It has taken not a little courage for me to wear my mind’s eye on my sleeve but I offer the above musings to this august company for your perusal and rejoinder which I wholeheartedly welcome in hopes that we may arrive at yet another interpretation that will engender consolation for our collective sympathies.

We approach the Autumn equinox here in the southern hemisphere, and most of you are welcoming the return of the sun. How we crave both equanimity and the light to help us through these strange and interesting times! Best wishes for peace, joy, and beauty in every day to you all. Thank you, Rob, for that uplifting reminder of the overflowing benisons of nature. Your video brought me immediately to Pink Floyd’s Learning to Fly lyrics “Can’t keep my eyes from the circling skies, tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I” Very apposite! In fact, I think I will just listen to that on full bore now! That should shake off a bit of the doldrums.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 19, 2022 8:39 am

Hello there Rob,
Thank you for taking on board my thoughts and your considered reply. I think you are being far too generous in referring to my ponderings as a theory. What I truly wanted to express first and foremost, and perhaps in my scattered abstractions I did not make very clear, is my inkling that the overall concept of overshoot, its catastrophic repercussions and equally drastic rectification will never be openly discussed and debated by anyone in a position of power, especially if they are aware of it. In my mind, it beggars belief that they would not be aware, seeing as geopolitical control is their sphere of influence. However, this silence in no way means that nothing is being done about it, whether through Nature’s hand or human. In the end analysis, in the global scale we are contemplating, it matters not how or why decisions are made, as long as they lead to the desired result of returning to homeostasis. I tried to explain my reasons for this conclusion (that those who are in power know but cannot say), but I do not think I was too convincing so let me give another analogy. Let’s suspend disbelief and go to the movies where this has been played out in widescreen and surround sound, what if there really was an asteroid on course to make an apocalyptic collision with Earth and there was nothing that could be done to avoid it, special effects aside. Only the top level astrophysicists and world leaders know it will happen with 99.9% certainty within 10 years time, and they know only a small percentage of the population can be saved in underground bunkers. Should it be policy to let the rest of humanity know as this event nears to give everyone a chance to work out their own survival, or in doing so, would unmitigated Hollywood style chaos be unleashed, thus dooming humanity even before the main event? What is the likelihood that we would all link hands and sing Kumbayah as doomsday arrives or would 8 billion people be suddenly thrown into total anarchy and even more suffering? Is the most compassionate and ethical choice to not tell whilst working sedulously and surreptitiously to create those bunkers to save a few and plan for the aftermath? In a way, this is the same dilemma with coming clean with overshoot, depopulation, the great planned reset and simplification, even if we can break through people’s denial, the reaction could be more incendiary than can be controlled, and once the social fabric is totally rent, the chances of building back better are slimmed. So, the choice left is to continue to work towards the goal in a way that can be construed as a natural evolution, using all the methods already in place. Whether this is through Nature or guided by human machinations (ultimately Nature will still claim us as her own) is fodder for more diversion but can it be concluded that we are now firmly in the active correction phase of our overshoot? Is this a victory that the pendulum is beginning its swing back to centre? Alas, my lamentation is I feel only distress in what is occurring whilst at the same time I know it must happen thus. I suppose I am just trying to reach out to this sympathetic band for some validation and consolation.

And now I will try to respond to your key points using my intuitive faculties and my lens of interpretation of what I have gleaned from various sources. Thank you for indulging me this opportunity to dialogue.

1) Whatever happened at Wuhan or earlier ultimately and rather concertedly led to fundamental changes in governing humans including challenging sovereignty of one’s own physical body. A mass medical experiment remains on-going, even as the virus loses virulence, this is an unprecedented response but the result has paved the way for further control, and likely increased morbidity through all age groups. Continued pressure to inoculate children without convincing justification for benefit and no guarantee for longer term safety leads me to think there is another agenda. Also continued boostering with the same vaccine which is no longer current with the variant makes absolutely no sense. Never has early treatment been advocated by the main stakeholders, not even a mention of other therapies as simple and crucial as Vit D. There is more than enough evidence now that these shots are neither safe nor effective, yet they are still mandated. 10 billion doses have been served, so whatever damage, present and future, has been well and truly done. What else to think than there is something not adding up here? Pandemics and the aftermath lead to decreased population and contracted economies, both are top of the menu for how to balance overshoot. Therefore, the Covid epic has been multi-purposed, whatever the mechanism, and has served well in addressing overshoot.
2) If the desired outcome is decreasing population in a relatively controlled but decisive manner, then pandemics and war will have the proper effect. Ensuing economic and partial societal collapse will ensure the ushering in of a new world order which will have the tools to keep the population in balance with energy expenditure as a new global structure is re-made. The answer to population growth, any percentage growth is unsustainable once we understand the power of exponentials, is negative growth, which means more deaths and less births. Unless most of us choose to die sooner and the younger amongst us choose not to procreate, and neither prospect is likely to happen, nor in a timely manner. Then, the remaining options to effect this which are understandable and can be tolerated as living in these challenging times are disease (including pandemics), war,(possibly nuclear) famine, accidents (possibly nuclear), natural disasters, decreased fertility and whatever else ills we generally wish to avoid.

3) Too easy, they get the proper early treatment and avoid the damaging vaccines and then go hide out in those bunkers they built for the asteroid collision. Seriously, there’s no guarantee for any of us from anything, only more or less likelihoods. I think self-preservation is over-rated when we are talking extinction-level scenarios, even world leaders might find the courage to lead by example like the kings of old who led the charge in battle—or am I back in fantasy land again?
4) There’s no secret to hide, it’s all in plain sight but Denial is our blinkers. I know you’re meaning what’s the proof of collusion of world leaders in the nefarious agenda, but it’s simple really, the brief is to contract your economies and populations using whatever means you can whilst maintaining as much social order as possible until the last minute when a new social order will rise up. That’s pretty much what is already happening now, whether you’re in the in-club or not. I have absolutely not a shred of proof that this is orchestrated, it is only my mind games that tell me there is equally not a shred of proof that it isn’t, only conjecture of a different colour. On all levels we are players, some are Queens with more power and choices, but most of us are pawns, whether we know it or not. I have a sense that the game of Chess is an apt metaphor for current world events!

robert
robert
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 5, 2023 2:28 pm

its also remarkable that the US budgets far more for its military than for its domestic programs and yet the former have no demonstrable value except to terrorize the taxpayers that pay for them – neither conventional nor nuclear weapons deter hostile actions.

Philip Parker
Philip Parker
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 17, 2022 10:18 am

Norm takes a lot of chit over there at OFW but still jumps in with some gems.

FYI, just noticed James and Megacancer are back online.

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Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 17, 2022 6:06 am

Beautiful sight. We only have Black-headed gulls here in the city but never this many.

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 16, 2022 2:55 pm

Rob have you encountered the work of Peter Zeihan? He has an interesting perspective on China’s future and possibly also offers some good explanations for their current woes..

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 16, 2022 6:23 pm

I think his perspectives on how demographics influence the economy and political decisions are informative. E.g. when more of your population is retirement age how does your economy behave? I haven’t yet heard him express an opinion on whether or not we are overpopulated. I only just starting looking into his work. I’ll keep you posted if I find any gold nuggets. His thoughts on China: rapidly aging population, capital flight, indefensible geography, han group have struggled for 2500 years for supremacy, likely to be internal conflict between groups, covid is a good excuse to keep control of the population, leadership is full of yes-men so policy isn’t solving challenges (also can’t backtrack on covid policies), China dependent on global security for trade (which he says is going away). He predicts a declining China, which is not a position you often hear. He has also predicted wheat quadrupling in price by end of the financial year. He is predicating famine 🙁

susuru
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
December 14, 2022 11:15 am

I think Zeihan is a great meta-thinker. His specialties are geography and demographics, hard realities less subject to interpretation, which is why he is so convincing. He thinks overshoot has been caused by the prosperity induced by globalization which was a creation of Pax Americana, the U.S. patrolling the seas to allow free trade in exchange for alignment against the Soviet threat during the Cold War. Which is now over. So the U.S. is abandoning its global policeman role and overshoot will quickly unwind as global dependency on free trade hits a brick wall. He is very worried about famine, and not especially caused by climate change, but caused more by lack of imported inputs for industrial ag, which the world has become dependent on for survival in the large numbers we now have. He sees overshoot as sadly temporary. A short blip in a world necessarily going regional.

Zeihan doesn’t moralize much, doesn’t theorize, and doesn’t talk much about cultural influences. He accepts rivalry and war as givens, which I find appalling, but I must admit they’ve been hugely important historically. He calls things as he sees them, maybe has some biases, who doesn’t, but overall is refreshingly attached to reality.

I have long thought that an ecological factor like overshoot would eventually self-correct without any need for our conscious intervention. Zeihan shows how indeed that is happening in the natural course of world geopolitics. And it looks like it’s proceeding mercifully fast enough to preserve most of biodiversity. So I find Zeihan cheering.

So ironic that geopolitics, which I think so irrational –the rivalry, the othering, the saber-rattling –doesn’t actually go according to some human-made strategic plan, but instead goes along more or less willy nilly, generating beaucoup unintended consequences as if it were merely one part of the mindless flow of ecology itself.

Am I wrong to feel this as liberating? We can relax and nestle into our sheltering earth, our generative universe, and take our time to feel our way along into who we are. We don’t have to drive the car because the car is driving us.