Dr. David Martin has done a detailed review of the 73+ patents relevant to Covid and the facts are shocking and speak for themselves.
I’m allergic to conspiracies but this one smells real to me.
Everything we are being told by our “leaders” about Covid is apparently wrong.
I watched this July 9 video presentation three times before posting it because it’s so evil that it’s hard to digest and accept.
Click this link to watch the video from it’s Odysee source:
Here is a copy on YouTube which may disappear soon:
Here is a document with references for fact checking Martin’s claims:
Not mentioned by Martin but additive to the case against our “leaders” is:
- aggressive undermining and censorship of Ivermectin, an inexpensive and safe drug for prevention and treatment;
- no promotion of inexpensive and safe methods for strengthening immune systems;
- irrational policies such as vaccinating people who have recovered from Covid;
- no debate of Dr. Bossche’s theory that a mass vaccination campaign during a pandemic with a non-sterilizing vaccine may create more dangerous variants that are immune to the vaccine and a vaccine degraded natural immune system;
- no investigation of the virus source nor measures to prevent a recurrence.
I feel like I’m having a seriously deranged dream.
If anyone is able to re-spin the data Martin presents into a pro-social or benign scenario, I would be grateful to hear your ideas.
This comment string abundantly illustrates the fact that today’s college graduates are largely incapable of evaluating an evidence-based case. Evidently, they are taught in school that there is no objective truth, and that one believes what the authority figures of one’s own tribe tell one to believe, and dismiss the authority figure of other tribes. Obviously, there is no room for science or any sort of critical thinking in the mental universe they inhabit.
Nate Hagens posted a nice Twitter thread today with 16 ideas for improving our future of less material wealth and more climate chaos. He concluded his thread by asking for additional ideas. I responded as follows:
My suggestion was deleted.
If we did not deny the reality of our overshoot predicament, it would be immediately obvious to all rational caring peace loving people that our only good path is rapid population reduction.
Unfortunately most people do deny reality and we can’t even discuss the only good solution.
I’m unclear about who did the deleting? Was it the Nat Hagens? (If so I would be profoundly disappointed). Was it Twitter? (which would not surprise me as Big Tech needs everyone to stay on the same script). Either way I agree with you that we are in a very bad situation when you can’t even discuss humane rapid population reduction. Denial reins supreme.
AJ
Nate confirmed to me that he did not delete my tweet. Perhaps some politically correct Twitter bot deleted it? If that’s the case, censorship is getting completely out of control. I quit Facebook a couple years ago, perhaps I’ll do the same with Twitter soon.
Dr. Malone interprets information on Delta from the CDC.
Just came across this essay discussing ivermectin and thought it was good.
View at Medium.com
I think there is a link between denial and open mindedness. Why is that I can read Dr Martin’s thesis and think “this could be true” and also think “this dude is a nut job and this is probably total bullshit”. I have no trouble holding both those views.
Why is that I can think that ivermectin probably works but after reading the above essay no longer be quite so certain and be not distressed by this.
Mike Stass had over 40 comments on his blog when he reposted your article (his previous 20 posts averaged 5.6 comments and the highest was 14). One of his readers vowed that he was never going to read his blog again. He clearly hit a nerve with some. Why?
I think the ability to be open to opposing ideas is linked to denial. To me the fascinating question is whether this is genetic or is it a consequence of the environment in which we live.
Thank you very much!
That’s a very good paper that seems to make an honest effort to review scientific arguments for and against Ivermectin. We need more of this.
The air is very poisoned now. I caught myself getting angry and was tempted to dismiss the whole thing when they said things that I do not believe are true. Like for example, Bret Weinstein has claimed Ivermectin is 100% effective, he’s much more cautious than that. And Bret Weinstein is “vaccine hesitant”. Also not true, he’s fully vaccinated with many other vaccines. The difference is that the Covid vaccines skipped normal long term testing, are non-sterilizing with serious potential long term consequences, their effectiveness seems to quickly fade with time, and there may be some negative side effects. I managed to fight off these emotions and I think on balance the article is an honest attempt to present both sides of the Ivermectin argument.
You can’t undo a vaccination. You’re all in for life. That might explain why some of Stasse’s readers are angry about Martin’s presentation. Like you, I’m able to see that Martin is probably competent and rational on patents, and is probably a nut job on other issues.
I’ve lost all trust in our “leaders” and pretty much don’t believe a word they say. They still haven’t told people to take vitamin D and lose weight. The guy who funded some of the Wuhan lab research is in charge instead of being shamed and fired. We could have put the whole Ivermectin debate to bed a year ago, and maybe saved many lives, if our leaders behaved like intelligent rational observers to promising results and ordered a proper evaluation.
I’ve got Ivermectin in my cupboard and will take it if I get sick because there’s no down side and plenty of evidence that it might help. I will not take Ivermectin for prophylaxis because we do not have any safety data on long term use and we’ll probably have to live with Covid variants for many years.
Unbelievable.
YouTube deleted a video that made an honest attempt to present the case for and against Ivermectin.
https://www.theonion.com/report-250-million-americans-still-need-guests-on-thei-1819575124
As someone who has 19 Twitter followers, I laugh. I will say I don’t market it and don’t tell too many people I know.
Chris Martenson today with a nice recap of how unbelievably incompetent our leaders are.
Rob,
The Martenson video should be required viewing before anyone is allowed to discuss Covid. As I said above, Martenson is an honorable person – he goes where the science takes him. He initially called for suspension of travel when the pandemic first hit because we didn’t know how lethal it would be (not very if you have no co-morbidity). He isn’t calling for it now as so far the delta variant appears far less lethal AND we have treatments. I think Martenson avoids the politics of left/right because both of those extremes fail to follow the science. I wish all sites (like this one) would get over denial of unpleasant facts and discuss our predicaments in an open and logical (and scientific) manner. My kudos to you for making this site one I really look forward to reading ALL THE TIME!!!
AJ
Thanks for the kind words AJ.
We seem to have lost all of our common sense.
How is it possible that one of the key guys involved in funding the lab that created and leaked the virus is the guy we’ve chosen to trust on how best to fight the pandemic? You can’t make this shit up.
Just a reminder that the damage a virus can do to a society is more than killing off the people who get it.
acetylsalicylic acid -> Aspirin
acetaminophen -> Tylenol
ibuprofen -> Advil
ivermectin -> ???
For which we will charge you, your insurer or the federal government $20,000 a treatment (maybe only $15,000 if you mandate everyone coming into the hospital has to accept the treatment – OH, and say nice things about us!!!).
AJ
Some idiot in my local government proudly announced they have bought a battery powered Zamboni for the community ice rink as a contribution to fighting climate change. I wrote this letter to the editor:
Take off you hoser! If I hadn’t already put away a six-pack, I’d grab my earmuffs and a doughnut, hunt you down and kick your precious ass for suggesting we close the ice rinks. Hockey is sacred man! Right up there with poutine and beavers.
🙂 🙂 🙂
Yep, we’re totally committed to fighting climate change as long as we don’t have to stop having kids or change our lifestyle. I especially like cars with dual bumper stickers that say “baby on board” and “no more pipelines”.
Wise leaders would be stockpiling Ivermectin just in case, but they’re not, hence they’re not wise.
https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Vaccines-driving-new-variants:9
Rob,
This was an excellent clip. It should be required viewing for all leaders and for all vaccine proponents. Would they? Doubt it, because their tribe tells them what to believe and they being good functioning homo sapiens (yeah, wise??) believe the reality of their tribe and will deny to their death any possible alternatives. I appreciate the Weinsteins for their adherence to the scientific method even when it hurts them financially – they are like Chris Martenson and are honorable. Very few people are willing go where the scientific method takes them – it’s just easier to deny reality (we’ve got the brain that evolution designed for that!!).
AJ
I drank a lot of beer from stubby brown bottles at McIvor Lake in 1975 with this blaring from the open trunk of my lime green Mazda 808 with a custom amplifier and speakers.
RIP.
That’s simply an amazing motion graphic. I observed that at year zero the population of North America was significantly less than the current population of my hometown metropolitan area (Omaha, Nebraska). Also at year zero, Asia was already inhabited by almost 125 million humans (well over a third of the total current USA pop.)!
I’m fascinated by why Asia’s population is so high. One part of the answer I think is that the climate and soils permit 2 or 3 harvests per year. Another part of the story for the big increase over the last hundred years was the introduction of the sweet potato which grows well on crappy land high up the river valleys.
Basically more calories means more people.
Daniel Quinn (Ishmael) introduced that theory.
Thanks, that rings a dull 60+ year old bell. I’ve read that book.
its numbers for south America are wrong by about 200 million.
Dr. William Rees has written an excellent new paper summarizing our overshoot predicament:
“Through the Eye of a Needle: An Eco-Heterodox Perspective on the Renewable Energy Transition”
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/14/15/4508/pdf
I replied to him as follows on a private forum:
The latest from Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD). “A last word of caution to all those pretending the Covid-19 pandemic is toning down” https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down
I am totally unqualified to comment the “truthiness” of Bossche’s assertions. My BullS$%t detector is pretty good but I have been fooled before on a few issues, and I lack the background here to think that my blink intuition can be relied on for any judgement in this case. But Bossche writes and thinks logically, it seems, and has put it all out there for all to see and read. So the possibility that Bossche is correct in at least some of his ideas fascinates me. If he is even partially correct, it would mean we are on the verge of one of the greatest fails in history.
We have a highly mutable, “new” virus with a low mortality rate for those below the age of 65 or so, circulating across the globe in a population approaching 8 billion people. The global industrial economic and social “system” has reacted to this challenge to its internal homeostasis by using the tools of that system (vaccines developed from “super” science, produced and delivered by “efficient” capitalism, etc.) to tamp down this disturbance.
But to a hammer everything looks like a nail. What if the best approach is to NOT use the tools of this science and technology driven industrial system?
That is my interpretation of what Bossche is saying: We have to accept some death, accept some natural evolutionary selective pressure on the human population, to achieve herd immunity through natural infection. This will result in the lowest amount of death over time. (Of course, we protect the highly vulnerable with prophylactics and vaccines, and manage the health outcomes of those who get a severe case of the disease.)
I suppose only the passage of time will reveal the answers.
The next pandemic might come from a virus with a much higher mortality rate. What will we do then? If fossil fuels production is in rapid decline, we might not have the luxury of temporarily shutting down parts of the economy and papering over that shutdown with the printing of fiat money. (We might not now….) Restated, the choice of re-directing economic resources (energy) towards the prevention of death, or accepting evolutionary selective pressure on the human population, might be much more stark.
From Bossche:
“….mass vaccination campaigns should not be conducted during a pandemic of a highly mutable virus,…”
“It is critical to understand that a rapid decline in viral infectivity rates that is not achieved by natural infection but merely results from expedited mass vaccination campaigns will only delay abrupt propagation of emerging, fully vaccine-resistant viral variants and hence, only delay the occurrence of a high wave of morbidity and mortality.”
(see my recent contribution: ‘Why the ongoing mass vaccination experiment drives a rapid evolutionary response of SARS-CoV-2’).
“Based on all of the above, it becomes already apparent that mass vaccination campaigns conducted in the midst of a pandemic of more infectious variants will rapidly and dramatically weaken instead of strengthen the population’s overall immune protection status and, therefore, not contribute to generating herd immunity.”
The following seems to be a change in Bossche’s original position? “As the more infectious alpha, beta, gamma or delta variants emerged prior to the deployment of mass vaccination campaigns, the latter can, indeed, not be at the origin of these variants.”
“There can be no doubt that, at this stage, the pandemic is gearing up for breeding vaccine-resistant ‘supervariants’, a phenomenon that is at risk of fueling an even larger wave of morbidity, hospitalization and, unfortunately, also death, not at least in the vaccinated part of the population.”
“The ongoing mass vaccination campaigns must immediately be abrogated because the vaccines fail to block viral transmission and their large-scale use during a pandemic of more infectious variants will inevitably lead to vaccine resistance of circulating Sars-CoV-2 variants. Instead, mass chemoprophylaxis campaigns should be conducted at regular intervals to reduce viral infectious pressure and transmission and prevent more infectious viral variants from fueling the breeding and dominant propagation of more infectious, vaccine-resistant variants. Furthermore, people should boost their health status whereas early treatment of patients who come down with Covid-19 disease (for more information, please consult, for example, prof. Dr. P. McCullough’s presentations and publications Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection – PubMed (nih.gov)
) would not only prevent severe disease and hospitalization but also enable these patients to more rapidly acquire broadly protective Abs facilitating killing/ elimination of virus-infected host cells and, therefore, diminish viral transmission and contribute to herd immunity. The above-mentioned interventions have been summarized in Fig. 3.”
Thanks. There’s at least one important point I do not understand in Bossche’s hypothesis. Historically viruses tend to mutate into more infectious but less deadly variants. Delta seems to be following this trend. Do you understand why Bossche is worried that we are creating more future suffering and death?
Hi Rob
I am already way out over my skis talking about virus etc. but here goes with my attempt to understand the issue and answer your question above.
Bossche does not explicitly say more future suffering and death, but I think that is the correct interpretation of the outcome he is predicting with a global mass vaccination program using “leaky” vaccines . “There can be no doubt that, at this stage, the pandemic is gearing up for breeding vaccine-resistant ‘supervariants’, a phenomenon that is at risk of fueling an even larger wave of morbidity, hospitalization and, unfortunately, also death, not at least in the vaccinated part of the population.”
This article supports the idea that virus tend to trend towards less virulence. At least, certain kinds of viruses. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jeb.13896 “SARS-CoV-2 virulence evolution: Avirulence theory, immunity and trade-offs”
“Lethality, or fatality ratio, is the probability for an infected host to die in a given context. For SARS-CoV-2, lethality was rapidly shown to be 10 times that of seasonal influenza and also to strongly depend on age (Verity et al., 2020). “…some predict the virus population will evolve towards avirulence, ….. current trends do not follow this expectation.” “Theory stemming from Theobald Smith’s law of declining virulence more than a century ago (Méthot, 2012) postulates that we should expect SARS-CoV-2 to evolve to cause avirulent infections in humans. “A model by Lavine et al. (2021) elegantly explains why SARS-CoV-2 could become a seasonal virus causing little mortality at the population level.”
But, we are not using “perfect” vaccines and the mass vaccination campaign is as a result creating selective evolutionary pressure on the viruses to become more transmissible or more virulent. This article discusses the concept of perfect versus leaky vaccines. ‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses (healthline.com) “Our research demonstrates that the use of leaky vaccines can promote the evolution of nastier ‘hot’ viral strains that put unvaccinated individuals at greater risk,” Nair said.
The source science article: Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens (plos.org)
“Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population.”
“If the vaccine is sterilizing, so that transmission is stopped, no evolution can occur. But if it is non-sterilizing, so that naturally acquired pathogens can transmit from immunized individuals (what we hereafter call a “leaky” vaccine), virulent strains will be able to circulate in situations in which natural selection would have once removed them [2]. Thus, anti-disease vaccines (those reducing in-host replication or pathogenicity) have the potential to generate evolution harmful to human and animal well-being; infection- or transmission-blocking vaccines do not [2–9].”
“Note that the possibility of vaccine-driven virulence evolution is conceptually distinct from vaccine-driven epitope evolution (antigenic escape), in which variants of target antigens evolve because they enable pathogens that are otherwise less fit to evade vaccine-induced immunity. The evolution of escape variants has been frequently observed [4,10].”
So we have this second problem, Immune Escape
https://go.nature.com/36LzrHI
For some pathogens, natural or vaccinal immunity is ‘perfect’ or ‘sterilizing’, that is, prevents future infections entirely (for example, measles). In others, immunity is lost, either as a result of pathogen evolution or because immunity itself wanes (for example, typhoid).
In extreme cases (for example, influenza), antigenic evolution (to escape host immunity) can lead to secondary infections that may be as severe and as transmissible as the primary infection.
My insert: “Antigenic escape – Wikipedia “Antigenic escape, immune escape, immune evasion or escape mutation occurs when the immune system of a host, especially of a human being, is unable to respond to an infectious agent, or, in other words, the host’s immune system is no longer able to recognize and eliminate a pathogen such as a virus. “
“However, primary infections from many pathogens, such as RSV (respiratory syncytial virus) and the endemic coronaviruses, lead to ‘partial immunity’, which does not necessarily prevent secondary infections but still limits their transmissibility and/or severity.”
…………..For pathogens that evolve rapidly to evade host immunity (for example, influenza), local elimination and global eradication is distinctly difficult.
……….It is not yet clear whether there is an evolutionary limit to strain infectiousness…
……………………………………………
My attempt here to understand the issue shows me why the public has to rely on public health officials to get the science right, and the policy. The subject matter is too complex for the layman. And yet…we have global scale life and death issues involved making it hard for policy makers to be objective, a very incomplete model of this problem based on assumptions about human behavior and a new virus, and massive financial incentives and disincentives for for corporations and governments, and the tribal politics of political affiliations. The questions of what is objectively correct and what actions should be taken are hard ones to answer.
Thanks kindly, that was helpful. It is very complex.
And yet some things are simple, like for example, take vitamin D, lose weight if you’re obese, and treat symptoms early with Ivermectin, and yet our leaders can’t even handle the simple issues.
Just finished installing 2000 feet of electric fence to keep the bears out of the blueberries and black currants.
That’s a big operation you got there, hoss – most of us have our hands full with quarter-acre suburban lots.
It’s not my farm. I provide labor in exchange for food security.
Gail Tverberg, who I respect, and who is one of the last people standing doing original research on the implications of energy depletion on civilization, today summarized her opinion of the vaccines.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/07/15/to-be-sustainable-green-energy-must-generate-adequate-taxable-revenue/comment-page-7/#comment-305498
Perfect day today. I hiked 16km in Strathcona Park while listening to Nick Lane’s “Life Ascending: The Ten Great Inventions of Evolution” for the umpteenth time.
https://un-denial.com/2016/03/29/book-review-the-vital-question-energy-evolution-and-the-origins-of-complex-life-by-nick-lane/
[…] Dr. David Martin – (Covid is) A Manufactured Illusion […]
Protection from vaccine is falling about 10-20% per month in Israel. Booster business should be profitable if they can keep suppressing Ivermectin.
Nowhere to hide: temperature records and extreme weather everywhere.
Must get more rice.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2021/07/24/24th-july-2021-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
More rice isn’t going to help if you get burned out in BC or I get burned out in Oregon. The future is looking more like Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” every day. You can run but you can’t hide.
AJ
Yes, but if we’re lucky and don’t get burned out then food shortages I expect will be the next problem. This extreme weather must be impacting agriculture at scale.
Here’s my 13 word summary of a 62 page report: Preventing the system from collapsing is a ratchet that ensures a worse collapse.
http://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2021/07/weekly-commentary-dangerous-addiction.html
Uh, I hate to tell you, but “growth” isn’t happening unless the Fed continues doing what it’s doing. The surplus energy isn’t there.
Exactly. The money supply has to grow or else our debt laden system will crash. Problem is real stuff can’t grow as fast. Hence we’re worsening the eventual pain because we’re unwilling to face reality.
Our growth constrained economy is like a bomb with a burning fuse and the only way to extend the fuse is to add more explosive (QE). Having evolved to deny unpleasant realities we can’t even discuss our energy constraints nor the implications of our response.
Nice essay by Tim Morgan today that says roughly the same thing with more and better words.
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2021/07/25/206-the-paradox-of-growth/
Here’s an inspiring discussion between Tucker Carlson and Bret Weinstein, two people with opposing politics that are able to have a respectful intelligent conversation to find much common ground.
https://odysee.com/@ivermort:4/Tucker-Carlson-Today—Bret-Weinstein—July-9,-2021:9
JHK’s on the case.
https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-347-chatting-with-david-e-martin-about-covid-19-vaccinations-and-other-mass-casualty-events/
JHK taking a break from covering electoral integrity, huh?
LOL! JHK succeeded in drawing out the crazy in Martin. He should have left it at greed.
It’s really quite sad.
A hell of a lot of what Martin said was intelligent and persuasive, but…
All of Martin’s work at assembling evidence against the pharmaceutical companies will be ignored because people will focus on his claim they are colluding to cull the population and rightly write him off as a wack job.
With all the evidence coming out regarding population control and the World Economic Forum’s ‘Great Reset’, why does the topic of population control automatically discredit someone as a wack job?
Martin did a good job of compiling evidence to show that the pharmaceutical industry has probably behaved very badly in pursuit of profit. We know from history and prior convictions that there is good reason to believe Martin is correct on this point.
Martin presented no evidence to support a population cull hypothesis. If he were sane (ie not a wack job) he would know that he needed compelling evidence before making such a claim.
It doesn’t, getting health advice from individuals or groups that believe the planet’s biggest problem is overpopulation is a bad idea, taking their ” vaccine ” is madness.
My thoughts exactly.
Re: truthiness
“I don’t necessarily agree with everything that I say.”
― Marshall McLuhan
Nor it turns out, does Anthony Bourdain. RIP
Headline from the Guardian “Anthony Bourdain documentary sparks backlash for using AI to fake voice”
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/jul/16/anthony-bourdain-documentary-ai-voiceover-roadrunner
You believe what’s written in The Guardian???
If I were any of you, I would check out an interview of sherry tenpenny by Paul chek on the histore of vaccines (3hrs), and also the histore of vaccines by clint Richardson. (Ca3hrs I Think), then when your groundwork is done, I recommend you to see “the story besind covid 19 also by clint Richardson (9hrs15mn). Seeing these is quite revealing even taking into account that all the facts might be biased or misunderstand (I’ll let you be the judoen of that).
The length of these videos is quite a mouthfull, but when you have delved into Them, you have quite an overvirkelighed of the vaccineworld..
From there you Can move into the economic World etc. But you Will need at least as much time to get a bearing and discernment on that too.
Who has that kind of time? Well you have to give yourself permission to take it, afterwards you’l be a more discerning person.
And you Will easily see through many things that are going on right now…..
…. look at google f.inst. The amount of unbiased articlrs and links have been enormously diminished all over the World…..Should make you Think and reassess what modern life you want to live…..
Rob, I know very little about this matter, so I leave it to you to judge the relevance or usefulness of this link — https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/02/18/the-fauci-covid-19-dossier/
Thanks. I don’t know much either on this topic, but it sounds credible and does not read like what I would expect from a crank idiot.
Trying to figure out who David Martin is. My take is he’s intelligent but deficient in physics, has good intentions, and may be a little crazy.
Seems to have made a living consulting on intellectual property, which might explain his apparent skills at patent sleuthing.
https://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/2006/scp_of_ge_06/speakers/martin.html
He has some woo woo ideas about extracting abundant clean energy and mineral resources from a different way of exploiting coal. Don’t ask me for more details. I tuned out when he said the laws of thermodynamics are bullshit.
https://www.activatehumanity.com/posts/ep-76-activation-energy%E2%80%A6
He’s trying to build an online community that avoids left/right politics with the goal of saving humanity. Kind of like Peak Prosperity but based on The Secret rather than Peak Oil.
https://www.activatehumanity.com/feed
He has solid evidence of Fauci’s lies and sees through the Kabuki theatre of Rand Paul challenging Fauci (skip to 3:30)
https://www.activatehumanity.com/posts/ep-89-why-the-law-doesnt-apply
He’s not my cup of tea, but I suspect is more correct than wrong on the Covid profit motive since the skills needed to unpick the puzzle are in his wheelhouse of competencies.
Another friend today sent me this private message on David Martin’s thesis:
2015 Peter Daszak quote:
“We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the media, and the economics will follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage, to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end of the process.”
… and another report on the same topic:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/23/fact-check-plandemic-ii-alleges-false-cdc-nih-conspiracy-theory/3408658001/
It looks more complicated than what D. Martin says.
Thanks, this seems to be a derivative of the debunking article I discussed above.
Have you seen this?
https://medika.life/reiner-fuellmich-fact-checked-and-exposed-as-a-covid-conspiracy-con/
Not sure how to make sense of all this.
Thanks Martin. I know nothing about Fuellmich and he said little during David Martin’s presentation but Fuellmich did make a quick comment that population control may be an objective of Covid which triggered my wack job detector. I assumed that a conspiracy crank would welcome someone like Martin to their podcast, just as they do Bossche, but that does not necessarily discredit Bossche or Martin.
I’m struggling to understand it too. these same people wrote about taxpayer funding GOF research at WIV and are also slamming work by Reiner Feullmich and Geert Vanden Bossch at the same time. not sure where their interest lies. Would require deeper investigation into Medika Life funding and management team. it often doesn’t take much diving to discover conflict of interest.
Good grief. Martin is a complete hack. Why anyone takes him seriously is a mystery, maybe it’s the bow tie.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinformation-conspiracies/
Hi Steve, thanks for dropping by.
This was my first exposure to Martin and I know nothing about him. I hope Martin is a hack but my bullshit detector did not sense that in his presentation.
Another friend also sent me that link debunking some of Martin’s previous work. I see there are some red flags in his past but I did not see those red flags in this presentation. The article was written a year ago and did not address most of Martin’s current points. The debunkers also discredit themselves by stating the virus did not originate from a lab which is almost certainly false.
Have you watched Martin’s presentation?
I bet there are way more red flags if we dig into, Fauci, Gates, all the stakeholders in the pharmaceutical companies & research bodies, people within the governmental agencies that are involved and have been involved in this “virus” and “vaccine” technology.
None of this whole situation passes the smell test, and we all should be questioning and digging into how we got here.
There’s never been a doubt in my mind that this was set upon us. It was always a question of who did, why, and who gained from it.
He may be correct but reaching in his conclusions as far as intentional release is concerned. It’s one thing to say they had hubris and took risks in viral research, while planning to profit from disease, it’s another to reach the conclusion that they would purposely release something for eugenics or big pharma, health insurance profits. The wealthiest capitalists often do do things that are literally actively killing us, for profits. Their greed is unquestionably evil from what I know in multiple areas of our lives. But releasing a virus designed to mutate faster than natural viruses and engineered for human infection (which is what the wuhan lab messes around with) seems to defy their own self interest. There were rich people who died from this too. The richest corporations became richer, it didn’t really hurt the .01% badly, but thats what capitalists do, they take advantage of everything, no matter how morally reprehensible, so it’s not an admission of guilt the way they behaved. It’s more like negligent homicide or something.
I agree with you. Some people think the real vaccine, Omicron, may have been intentionally released by a white hat actor but I have not studied this theory enough to have an opinion.
I dont think I’ve heard of your terminology here. Do you mean people consider the virus a vaccine, so like induced natural immunity? Or do you/they mean the vaccine against the omicron variant? As for released by a white hat actor, there is no way to know right now. From my research it seems US science diplomats from the US embassy sounded the alarm in 2018 about how the Wuhan lab was not using the appropriate safety precautions. I cant find the report now, but I read that during the Obama administration international watchdogs also said they were not using proper safety protocols for what they were working with, specifically their coronavirus research. Whatever I read that I cant find now said that was in part why our government gave them tons of money, to secure their labs. But it seems they pocketed the money and continued business as usual. Which is why I believe this was gross negligence, not intentional release, although when you know you are making highly contagious viruses and dont take every precaution, it’s super negligent of the homicidal variety. We need to have a serious conversation about this, question the cost benefit of gain of function and they are making it out to be a conspiracy theory.
Some people believe Omicron prevented a lot of sickness and death because it is less virulent (deadly) than the original Wuhan virus and more contagious, and thus outcompeted and replaced the original virus in the population with a benign variant.
Some people also claim they do not see an evolutionary path from the original Wuhan virus to Omicron.
Hence speculation that Omicron may have been engineered and released by someone who understood the mRNA vaccines did not work as advertised.
I understand why the US government is silent since they funded the Wuhan research to side-step their own gain of function research ban but I find it mind boggling that non-US governments have not demanded steps be taken to prevent a recurrence.
It seem leaders of almost every country have lost their minds and integrity.
I’ve looked at the evolution of the virus. No, there was nothing surprising about its evolution. Thankfully it got less virulent over time, although one of the scary things about it, is its ability to bypass the immune system, so people who had no symptoms end up getting long covid damage. Bypassing the immune system might be one lab leak sign because they design them to do just that. Many people had some natural immunity by the time omicron came around so if the vaccines were not working as we were told, that might be a more logical explanation for better outcomes over time.
Just so I’m clear. You’ve seen someone do an analysis of Omicron DNA and explain how it could emerge via evolution in a short period of time?
Do tell us how you researched the progress of a thing that doesn’t exist. FFS
A partial answer to Steve’s question, summed up nicely by Penn Jilette, “Smart people learn to believe things that are counterintuitive,” he said. “Black holes, string theory, germs, trips to the moon, radio waves—they’ve had practice believing crazy s–t.”
I’m not saying Martin is legit however it is unwise to attempt to use factcheck.org to debunk anything. As has been disclosed in the past few months such “fact check” organizations are being funded by oligarchs who have a vested interest in the spotlight being deflected away from them.
@ludlum – You’d do yourself and everyone else a favor by giving an example or two to support your conclusion. Without facts and reason all you did was make an ad hominem attack. Very poor form. Martin’s patent submission/rejection/approval timeline is illuminating and solid. His open frame reading analysis of the variants is brilliant. Martin covered a lot of ground and did what very good people do: he gave the reasons for what he described.
Martin is a flip flopping disinformation operative. According to his own website “He served as Chair of Economic Innovation for the UN-affiliated Intergovernmental Renewable Energy Organization and has served as an advisor to numerous Central Banks, global economic forums, the World Bank and International Finance Corporation, and national governments.”. There is no virus. Never was and isn’t now and won’t be in the future but they have the chumps dancing like marionettes on a string.
I take it you didn’t look up his credentials? Heres your fact checker debunked as well https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2923825/posts
Well it looks like he was right and YOU we’re wrong.
Ilargi is good today. Nothing about what we are being told makes sense.
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/07/a-pandemic-of-the-vaccinated/
Wise words from Eric Weinstein today. Click to read his excellent multi-tweet thread.
This fairly recent interview is very helpful and you can scrub through whatever parts to get to what you need to hear as it’s an hour and a half long. Hopefully it’s helpful. I’ve been introduced to DavidMartin.world a long time . He’s consistent, he’s not selling services or products, is not affiliated with scammers and he is known and interviewed among mostly reputable people. I imagine they’ll be somewhere someone who doesn’t fit that last category.
https://rumble.com/v3lflua-episode-8-silenced-with-tommy-robinson-dr-david-martin.html
Thanks. I commented on your video here:
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