It Bears Repeating: Best of Overshoot Essays

A year ago Steve Bull assembled a best of compilation of essays titled It Bears Repeating from writers that discuss human overshoot.

Steve contacted me and I contributed my un-Denial Manifesto that launched this site.

Other writers and their essays in the compilation are:

  • Michael Dowd – Forward & Afterword
  • Steve Bull – That Uncertain Road, Part 1
  • David Casey – Preparing
  • Alice Friedemann – Net Energy Cliff Will Lead to Collapse of Civilization
  • Kevin Hester – Militarism’s Role in The Sixth and Possibly Last ‘Great’ Extinction
  • Tristan Sykes and Dr. Kate Booth (Just Collapse) – Talk Collapse for a Just Collapse
  • Erik Michaels – Bargaining to Maintain Civilization
  • Dr. Simon Michaux – Challenges and Bottlenecks for the Green Transition
  • Dr. Tim Morgan – Written in the Skies
  • Dr. Bill Rees – The Human Eco-Predicament: Overshoot and the Population Conundrum
  • Mike Stasse – Turning Marginal Land Into Fertile Soil
  • Tim Watkins – The Narrative Problem After Peak Oil
  • Max Wilbert – Climate Profiteers Are the New War Profiteers
  • Connie Barlow – The Legacy of Catton’s 1980 book, Overshoot

Steve recently contacted me again asking for suggestions of writers that might contribute to a second volume of It Bears Repeating. This triggered me to search for volume 1 on this site, and for reasons I cannot explain, it seems I never provided a link to the original compilation.

This post is intended to correct my error.

You can download the compilation here.

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Jan Steinman
Jan Steinman
July 26, 2024 6:55 pm


Hi Rob,

I’d be honoured if you chose to add my essay (won first prize in Beyond Peak’s Scenario Contest!) to your collection of documents.

Unlike many such essays, this is a work of fiction, a possibility, more than a prediction.

I just stumbled upon your site. Now it goes in my RSS menubar reader, for instant updates and access!

Thanks for what you do, and if you know of preparation groups in Western BC, please let me know. I was doing this for fifteen years, but was forced to take a pause and rejoin the modern world of medicine for a while.

Jan

paqnation
Reply to  Jan Steinman
July 27, 2024 8:54 pm

Hello Jan. Nice to see you here. I’ve seen your name in the comment sections for all the collapse sites that I visit. You sound like you have been overshoot aware for a long time. I think you will be impressed with Rob’s site (and the audience).

I just read your fictional essay and liked it. The ending was great.

And just a tip (unless you did it purposely), most of the audience will not see your comment because it’s on last months guest essay page. (current essay is titled Humans are a not a species)

Welcome to this crazy tribe called un-Denial 😊.

Chris

Jan Steinman
Jan Steinman
Reply to  paqnation
July 28, 2024 7:53 am

Thanks for the reply, Chris!

And for the hint about exposure. I think I found that page via a search of some sort. Hard to tell, as my browser generally has as many windows and tabs open as my poor machine will support without bogging down!

Now that this site is in my RSS reader, I’ll keep up with current work.

Jan

el mar
el mar
July 20, 2024 1:36 pm

“However because most of the population does not want to give up their creature comforts, they look to any piece of fiction to hold onto the modernity they enjoy and deny the possibility of a bad outcome in the future, which is precisely why we will head into a fast collapse when we are past peak oil production in an accelerating decline.” Hideaway

Here is a guess about timing! What is your guess?

Larsen Lars William: Diesel will leave us 2027
https://archive.org/details/oil-exports.-34odt-1
July 2023

Epilogue: “Global collapse may begin 2026, at the latest The calculations in this chapter, now with different parameters, “being on the safe side”, are pretty much a confirmation of my previous calculations. I came almost to the same conclusions here as in part 5. Only maybe one year, almost two, differed, that’s not much in the grand scheme of things. The calculations were again conservative, I used a conservative, very modest estimate of the average decline of conventional oil production between now and 2030, only 2,5 % per year (think about this: from 2019 to 2020 global oil production declined with at least 14 % because of the pandemic), with an acceleration in the end. And then I didn’t take into account my “ten critical factors” referred to in part 1. These factors are really, really important. So this is again almost a best-case scenario.

I see no possibility that there will be any diesel exports beyond 2027- 2028. That’s the upper limit. Remember now that in the peak days of diesel exports, in 2005, we had about 6,4 mbd of global net diesel exports (30 % of 46 is 13,8. 13,8 subtracted from 46 = 32,2. 20 % of 32,2 mbd is 6,4, 6,4 x 5 is 32,2, we had 46 mbd of overall export oil back then), today (2023) we have about 2,67 mbd left, having a global diesel shortage and then, 2026, we will have only about 0,86 mbd, or 860 000 barrels of diesel exports left. This is a decline of over 86 % from 2005 (0,86 is 13,4 % of 6,4), it’s only about 1/9 of what we had in 2005. This is really, really serious. 52 Remember that at least 155 countries in the world are dependent on oil imports in the world (almost three of four countries), and thus also on diesel imports. At least 155 countries, probably more, have to share 860 000 barrels of diesel exports in 2026! Just think if three-quarters of the world’s shipping industry vanished in 2026! It’s mindboggling. And that’s just one industry that needs diesel. I would say that at the latest, global industrial civilization will begin to collapse by then or by 2027.

And by collapse I mean when many trucks stop running and many grocery store shelves are empty. And that is precisely what will happen when we run out of diesel, because trucks run on diesel. The global diesel shortages have begun already (I wrote this in the end of 2022), but they will continue to get worse and worse for four long years until global civilization collapses with a “long bang”, probably because diesel shortages will pop “the Everything Bubble”. Then the whole domino card house will fall, and fall steeply, because we kicked the can down the road so far with monetary stimulation, debt and “enhanced oil recovery”, among other things. The shale oil bubble or the “Shale Ponzi Scheme” will collapse, and contribute a lot to the popping of the Everything Bubble. And this is still almost a best-case scenario, in my opinion.

So many things could go wrong before that. I have trouble believing my own calculations, so strange are the results. But I have to follow the data, wherever they lead. Prepare yourself for austere times.”

Saludos
el mar

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 20, 2024 7:23 pm

Why does the model assume that oil exports to China and India will keep growing, while oil exports to the rest of the world shrink exponentially?

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 20, 2024 7:37 pm

I’m able to access those files, I use google chrome as a browser..

I very much agree with Lars on the unravelling of complexity but I’m not certain on the timing as we have all have incomplete knowledge of what oil remains.

When we get to an accelerating oil production decline, exports will decline at a faster rate, so we’ll see the number of peripheral countries dropping off the modernity lifestyle rapidly increase.

When pushed I’ve said around the 27-30 timeline, but I take that guide as a WAG, (Wild Arsed Guess), given that everyone that has predicted peak oil in the past was incorrect.

Even at peak oil, and just past it, I think the world will stagger on for a ‘bit’ (perhaps we are in this phase now), it’s going to be the accelerating decline phase that cannot be overcome by any means whatsoever, with chaotic feedback loops accelerating the decline.

Modern oil extraction is a highly complex operation, which is what most people don’t understand. It’s no longer a case of getting a cheap rig and just drilling a hole a few hundred feet deep, then collecting the black gold as it rushes out of the ground..

If we had to use the oil rigs of the 1920’s to drill for oil now, we would get very little to none, of the oil resources left. Going back to simple methods doesn’t work on what’s left, for oil, for minerals and metals.

Lars has 6 documents on that link and I’m on pg22 out of 102 on the first pdf…

He’s posted on POB in the past and is one of those who ‘gets it’…

Hamish
Hamish
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 20, 2024 10:20 pm

Rob, the site is incorrectly configured there is no www sub-domain. The following URL worked for me:

https://larslars.blogg.se/

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Hideaway
July 21, 2024 2:20 am

The financial system is the bottleneck, because it is already overstretched with “bobbing”.

BAU is unlikely to last another 30 years.

Saludos

el mar

Stellarwind72
July 20, 2024 8:01 am

This 9 minute film gives an idea about relative sizes of things in the Universe.

Charles
Charles
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 20, 2024 12:33 am
Stellarwind72
July 19, 2024 7:06 am

Huge Microsoft Outage Linked to CrowdStrike Takes Down Computers Around the World
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-outage-crowdstrike-global-it-probems/

Banks, airports, TV stations, health care organizations, hotels, and countless other businesses are all facing widespread IT outages, leaving flights grounded and causing widespread disruption, after Windows machines have displayed errors worldwide.

In the early hours of Friday, companies in Australia running Microsoft’s Windows operating system started reporting devices showing Blue Screens of Death (BSODs). Shortly after, reports of disruptions started flooding in from around the world, including from the UK, India, Germany, the Netherlands, and the US: TV station Sky News went offline, and US airlines United, Delta, and American Airlines issued a “global ground stop” on all flights.

The widespread Windows outages have been linked to a software update from cybersecurity giant ​​CrowdStrike. It is not believed the issues are linked to a malicious cyberattack, cybersecurity officials say, but stem from a misconfigured/corrupted update that CrowdStrike pushed out to its customers.

“It reminds us about our dependence on IT and software,” Olejnik says. “When a system has several software systems maintained by various vendors, this is equivalent to placing trust on them. They may be a single point of failure—like here, when various firms feel the impact.”

Cybersecurity researcher Kevin Beaumont posted on X that he has seen a copy of the CrowdStrike update that was issued and says the file isn’t properly formatted and “causes Windows to crash every time.” Beaumont says, in further posts, that it appears there isn’t an automated way to fix the issues, at least currently. This may mean that impacted machines need to be manually rebooted before they can come back online, a process that could take hours or days depending on the impacted entity.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 19, 2024 2:33 am

I made it 15 minutes. I didnt bail because I hated it. He was actually convincing me. I bailed because I realized I was falling into the JFK trap. This is gonna distract the masses for a long time (with lots of wasted energy).

Watched Home Alone 2 (1992) the other night. Forgot he was in it (just a quick cameo). It got me thinking about his trajectory. So crazy and funny how when our civilization ends, this dude is the most famous person in all of human history. I’m sure he was already high on the list prior to last week. Our assassination fascination will cement him at #1. 

If I still despised everything about the way our story ends, this would be a tough pill to swallow (who am I kidding, I still do a little). But if this con man (and just overall bad person) ends up #1 at our peak population and the beginning nosedive off the cliff, it will actually make sense considering how inefficient, upside down, and wrong we were about everything that matters. (because of broken energy constraints)

He’s got it locked up at this point. It can only play out three ways. He wins (already has it won) and serves his 4 years. He’ll be the leader of his party for life. Everyone clamoring for his endorsement and all the media looking to get his “expert opinion”. Or “they” get really desperate and try to make the federal convictions disqualify him. Or maybe Martenson is right and “they” will be successful next time. 

Win, win, win for Donalds popularity legacy, which is all he cares about. (I do still let it get to me. But pick any US president from Reagan on and its the same type of horrible personality traits. Trump just doesn’t give a shit about hiding it, which is the only cool thing about him)

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  paqnation
July 19, 2024 6:06 am

I think Chris Martenson is out to lunch with this one. On the surplusenergyeconomics site of Tim Morgan, I think they have it mostly correct, with the game plan of TPTB, which seems to be, extend, pretend, and distract away from the big issues of Energy, climate, pollution, extinctions and overall ecosphere health.

The whole Trump saga is a distraction to stop people looking at the big picture of what’s going on, and CM has fallen for it.

Instead of concentrating on what he’s good at; being peak everything, which wont pay the bills, by going well off course he will attract attention as just another crazy conspiracy theorist, which might get him a few more subscribers, but less attention in the mainstream..

Nate Hagens has the opposite problem by deliberately trying to stay mainstream, he doesn’t cover the full story of how bad the situation really is, just sneaks around the edges. If Nate found the same evidence or whatever Chris has, he would just ignore it as he is extra careful to be not labelled a CT.

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Hideaway
July 19, 2024 11:20 pm

LOL, no sooner do I write the above and Nate’s newest ‘Frankly’ is out, and sure enough it’s more of the usual, and steering well clear of the week’s ‘events’ in the US.

He talks “Reality”, then makes sure he skirts around the elephant in the room of massive overpopulation in total overshoot of carrying capacity.

paqnation
Reply to  Hideaway
July 20, 2024 2:43 pm

LOL. I now watch Nate for entertainment, not for education.

Stellarwind72
July 18, 2024 7:25 am

AI is already being used for mass surveillance in Palestine.

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Stellarwind72
July 18, 2024 7:31 am

Part 2 to the video above.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 11:42 pm

The comments over there are really good too. When is 2050’s audience gonna trickle over here and start getting engaged. Both sites are pretty much identical with knowledge level. Just missing the priority level of denial, which we would gladly and kindly show them the way😊. (and then they can catch up to us). Funny if un-Denial has a reputation. Without a doubt it would be the “bad boy” or “gothic” rep.

CampbellS
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 4:27 pm

Staggering indeed. Oil equivalent is around 3 times that too.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/282801/opecs-oil-price-assumptions-via-reference-basket/

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 6:06 pm

Good trip down memory lane. I was so hung up on this number for the first few months of my overshoot journey. I always focused on it in my emails to my inner circle. Here is one overly dramatic example (after explaining where oil comes from, how old, etc):

“And when you look at what humans do with this sacred ancient sunlight, its very easy to teeter between the extremes of sobbing uncontrollably and laughing hysterically. Worldwide, we use over 100 million barrels of oil every single fucking day to keep this evil, phony, materialistic, human supremacy machine called civilization, running. Destroying mother earth and her children every step of the way.”

LOL. Most of my old writings to them is seething with that type of anger and disgust. 

Another crazy stat is USA consumes 20% of those 100 million barrels (with 4% of total population). Only one country comes close to that much consumption. China at 13% (with 18% of the population). USA is still living large off the prize of winning the race for the Old World to create the first major empire in the New World.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 4:01 pm

LOL. Had a feeling this was gonna be posted soon. I always enjoy listening to Daniel. He gets me thinking. 

But… with my new fire focus, I couldn’t even make it 20 minutes. I can absolutely understand all the criticism about him. He just wants to talk in circles about complex things that will never change. (But I still like him)

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 10:11 pm

All the stuff he comes up with about how AI is going to take over, is just ridiculous, very unwise. So far I have not been able to get AI to ‘think’ at all, just regurgitate lots of information quickly and often repetitively over something I’ve just dispelled!!

As already stated, AI relies totally on normal supply and energy chains of fossil fuels.

One aspect DS did raise is something I’ve often spoken of, how no new energy resource has replaced any fossil fuel resource. Even the early hydro electricity plants were just additive to the total energy used.

I often ‘discuss’ the future with AI (Googles Gemini), and it has built in recycling, renewables, circular economy, sustainable etc no matter what evidence you bring up. It’s like talking to believers in the POB forum. It has all those terms programmed into it, so evidence doesn’t change it’s mind, which is what would happen if there was any intelligence in there.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 18, 2024 3:10 pm

Great essay Rob. Ended up spending well over an hour in the comments. 

Loved Charles bicycle-shed effect (we need to bring that phrase back). Great little thread between Monk and a troll named EclipseNow. And Gaia had my favorite comment of the bunch.

https://un-denial.com/2023/03/30/gpt-4-denies-reality-less-than-its-creator/comment-page-2/#comment-85113

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 7:24 pm

Many people will call you slurs like “Malthusian”, “Eco-fascist” or “Anti-human” if you openly call for population reduction.

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Stellarwind72
July 17, 2024 10:15 pm

I wear the term Malthusian as a badge of honor, when anyone calls me that. I usually respond with something like “so infinite growth on a finite planet is more believable is it?”, which usually pulls up the person suggesting it..

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 8:23 pm

I am about 1/3 of the way through the video. Something that they haven’t mentioned yet. AI is completely dependent on global supply chains and a stable electric grid, both of which can not exist without fossil fuels and other non renewable resources.

At roughly 18-30 minutes into the video, they talked about the mindset of the people developing AI, and I though to myself: These people are completely insane.

paqnation
July 17, 2024 11:44 am

One of Indi’s best essays in a while. He’s leaning heavy into Joseph Tainter. My favorite part was this story from Socrates:

The story goes that Thamus said much to Theuth, both for and against each art, which it would take too long to repeat. But when they came to writing, Theuth said: “O King, here is something that, once learned, will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memory; I have discovered a potion for memory and for wisdom.” Thamus, however, replied: “O most expert Theuth, one man can give birth to the elements of an art, but only another can judge how they can benefit or harm those who will use them. And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own. You have not discovered a potion for remembering, but for reminding; you provide your students with the appearance of wisdom, not with its reality. Your invention will enable them to hear many things without being properly taught, and they will imagine that they have come to know much while for the most part they will know nothing. And they will be difficult to get along with, since they will merely appear to be wise instead of really being so.”

How AI Is A Sign Of Collapse — indi.ca

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 11:07 am

Found this comment on that site. And even though it has the tone of “everything is fine, quit listening to the doomers”, I can still relate to it. What a waste of my time if I’m here 20 years from now still banging the drum about overshoot. No goddamm way!!, but I’m sure that’s the same thing you lifers were saying 20 years ago. The perfect time to start learning about overshoot would be about a year prior to full collapse.

Jerry McManus on July 17, 2024 at 5:02 pm

“In my darker moments I shudder to think we will be having the same conversations and reading the same headlines in 20 years. Except everything will be just a little shittier than it is now.

That’s basically what happened 20 years ago. I first learned about Peak-Oil in 2004. I was immediately hooked. All those graphs showing everything falling off of a cliff…, any day now!

In the years that followed everyone who had anything to say about it, other than sneers of “doomers” and “neo-malthusians”, anyone who thought they were being serious about it, they just played into the echo-chamber and parroted what everyone wanted to hear: Collapse any day now! No way we make it past 2015!

Eventually, after being turned on to the much larger and MUCH more long-term predicament of global ecological overshoot, I got around to reading what geologist M.K. Hubbert actually said about oil production and Lo! Behold! It turns out all the peak-oilers had been blowing smoke out of their hat the entire time. A gigantic, ridiculous, and utterly futile exercise in curve fitting. Total waste of everyone’s time. Big surprise.

Now, 20 years later, not only has everything NOT collapsed, here we are reading all the same headlines and having all the same conversations we did 20 years ago. Except everything is just a little shittier…”

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 12:25 pm

As an atheist why do you care about suffering? It’s just a chemical reaction, right? What are your feelings when it comes to decomposition or photosynthesis then?

The first half of “The Limits to Growth” describes what’s wrong with the current situation. The second half though is about creating one world government that will ration everything – of course – for the common good. Why is that?

I think atheists don’t give a f*ck about other people, they are just afraid about losing their own status/lifestyle, and thus they position themself as the saviour of mankind, non-stop talking about reducing suffering, building heaven on earth, etc

Charles
Charles
Reply to  Anonymous
July 18, 2024 2:49 am

I like this comment. Not untrue.

🙂

Charles
Charles
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 18, 2024 3:17 am

Hi Rob,

I totally agree with you Rob. I believe, the future will show “we” should have acted more cautiously. I believe many people will regret and despair. And it will be too late. They probably won’t even understand “the” cause (the same way we doomers do). And then they will just go on being people 🙂

But, that’s all the “idealist” part in me talking. I think this part is not wise. It is asking “too much of reality”. Or rather it is expecting reality to be more like it wished to be. And that is not so.

For the best: if reality were always as we expected it to be, there would be no means to grow, learn, discover, live.

I try to turn the question upside-down. Because, the way we are framing things makes us somewhat lunatics. Rather than asking how reality should be to correspond to my ideals, I try to ask myself how I should respond to every situation as it presents itself, while not betraying who I feel I am. And, that’s quite hard, not the path of least resistance, but fulfilling.

I hope what I just said made some sense 🙂

Also, on a different level. I believe there is an individual reason each doomer is a doomer. This situation strikes us, resonates with us, because of something we have to uncover inside of us. That needs to be worked on. Because, if we are frank with oneself: why should we burden ourselves with the future fate of humanity? What’s the connection? Why do we care?
While, we could just eat, poop and die blissfully 🙂

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 12:54 pm

Yeah I saw all the headlines he posted, but the fools just keep that stock market chugging along. I’ll probably be dead before I can tell my wife I told you so, as she is one of the believers in a perpetual future of getting richer and richer.

AJ

paqnation
Reply to  AJ
July 17, 2024 3:42 pm

Haha. That comment about your wife reminds me of Ralph Kramden from The Honeymooners.

“Alice, If you don’t believe me about overshoot… One of these days. Pow! Right in the kisser.” (don’t do it AJ 😊)

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
July 17, 2024 3:44 pm

I suspect that another early casualty of peak oil will be ultra-long haul flights.
https://theconversation.com/bucking-the-trend-is-there-a-future-for-ultra-long-haul-flights-in-a-net-zero-carbon-world-183212

While it might seem like a single flight would produce less emissions, the opposite is true.

The most efficient flights (based on fuel burned per kilometre) are those between 3,000 and 5,000km, depending on aircraft type. By contrast, non-stop ultra long haul flights produce more carbon emissions than two shorter journeys with a stop-over.

The reason is simple physics. Planes flying ultra long distances must carry lots of fuel, especially at take-off, to cover the later stages of the journey. For the new planes Qantas has ordered, it takes about 0.2kg of fuel to transport a kilo a thousand kilometres.

Given the long distance, this means it’s not a very efficient use of fuel. Not only that, but the high fuel load means there is less space for passengers.