Two Different Perspectives – Same Conclusion: Modern Lifestyles Will End Soon

Dr. Berndt Warm’s Perspective

Thanks to Marromai for finding this new paper by physicist Dr. Berndt Warm.

Dr. Warm uses 5 different methods, 4 relying on economics, and 1 on thermodynamics, to predict when the end of oil production and motor vehicle production will occur. All 5 methods roughly converge on 2030 as the year when modern lifestyles end.

The essay was written in German and translated to English which explains any awkward phrasing.

Warm’s conclusion agrees with my 15 years of study of many different sources which converge on oil production being down by about 50% in 2030. Because our current system requires growth not to collapse, it is plausible that predicting a 50% decline is the same as predicting a 100% decline.

Our world is of course far too complex to make precise predictions, and unexpected events like a pandemic or nuclear war can dramatically change the outcome, however for planning purposes it seems reasonable to assume we have about 5 years left to prepare for a new way of life.

Abstract

Evaluation of five data sets concerning car production, oil prices converted in energy values gives lifespan approximations for the car industry and the oil industry. The result is that the car industry will last only until 2027 and the oil industry some years more.

Here are a few excerpts from the paper:

The author interprets the line of maxima as the oil price that the industrialized countries can afford to the maximum while maintaining their lifestyle. He interprets the line of minima as the price of oil that the producing countries need to keep their economies running. In mid-2019, the author noticed this crossroads and expected a crisis in 2020, although he was completely unclear what kind of crisis it would be. He didn’t expect Corona.

The inhabitants of the industrialized countries are now realizing that their lifestyle is at risk. The line of the maxima will reach the zero line (0%BOE) around mid-2027. From then on, the inhabitants of the industrialized countries can no longer afford oil without giving up many things of daily life. The demand of the oil producers is then 13-14 %BOE. These two values are incompatible.

Result: The extrapolation of oil prices shows that from 2022 the lifestyle in the industrialized countries will degrade, and that after 2027 the inhabitants of the industrialized countries will hardly be able to pay for oil or its products.

The fall in the price of crude oil from 2008 to 2020 with the extreme price increase since 2021 is an absolute alarm signal! Soon there will be no more crude oil affordable, no matter for which economy in the world!

Summary

Procedures 1, 2 and 4 are extrapolations of economic data of the past. Method 3 is a link between oil prices and car production. Method 5 is a calculation based on a law of physics.

The five calculation methods result in:

  1. End of world motor vehicle production between 2031 and 2034.
  2. End of oil production in 2027.
  3. End of worldwide sales of motor vehicles in 2027.
  4. End of German vehicle production in 2027.
  5. End of oil production in 2029.

The results are not the same, but in the end the same thing comes out. All five procedures show that vehicle production and oil production will continue to collapse in the coming years. Vehicle production will disappear first. Oil production later, as the world’s existing fleet will continue to consume crude oil, even if no new vehicles are added. It is to be expected, that the crude oil production will decrease slowly until 2027, and after that very fast.

And: Oil will be extremely expensive by 2027 at the latest!

Dr. Simon Michaux’s Perspective

For those still hoping that a transition to non-fossil energy will extend our modern lifestyles, I point you to the following recent work of mining engineer Dr. Simon Michaux which shows our planet has insufficient affordable resources to implement an energy transition plan that maintains our current lifestyles.

The quantity of metal required to make just one generation of renewable tech units to replace fossil fuels, is much larger than first thought. Current mining production of these metals is not even close to meeting demand. Current reported mineral reserves are also not enough in size. Most concerning is copper as one of the flagged shortfalls. Exploration for more at required volumes will be difficult, with this seminar addressing these issues.

Simon Michaux is an Associate Professor of Geometallurgy at the Geological Survey of Finland in the Circular Economy Solutions Unit. Holding a Bachelor of Applied Science degree in Physics and Geology and a PhD in Mining Engineering from the University of Queensland, Simon has extensive experience in mining research and development, circular economic principles, industrial recycling, and mineral intelligence. Through his recent publications, Simon has outlined the many challenges facing the global industrial ecosystem. He notes our world is currently energy and minerals blind and transitioning to renewable energies is not as straightforward as it appears.

We’ve been growing without care to planetary limits for too long and change is coming, whether we like it or not. We need a completely new energy paradigm to address the challenges ahead, and as Simon says, it all starts with a conversation. We cover a lot of ground in this one, so grab a notebook and strap in for an important conversation – this is one you’ll want to listen to more than once.

On this episode, we meet with Associate Professor of Geometallurgy at the Geological Survey of Finland, Dr. Simon Michaux. Why do humans ignore important mineral and material limits that will affect human futures? Dr. Michaux reveals how we are “minerals blind” — and the consequences of this myopia. To shed light on the effects of our minerals blindness, Dr. Michaux explores the disconnect between experts in renewable energy and economic and government leaders. Dr. Michaux offers individual strategies for us to overcome our energy and minerals blindness. How can we learn to adapt in order to overcome the coming challenges?

Dr. Simon Michaux is an Associate Professor of Geometallurgy at the Geological Survey of Finland. He has a PhD in mining engineering. Dr. Michaux’s long-term work is on societal transformation toward a circular economy.

BenjaminTheDonkey’s Perspective

BenjaminTheDonkey today nicely captures a common theme I observe everywhere in the world today: We are collectively losing our minds; perhaps because unpleasant realities are overwhelming the denial circuit in our brains?

Alarmist? 


The powers that be won’t admit

We’re heading straight to our obit; 

So it isn’t strange we

Can already see

People are losing their shit. 

 

What is its cause at the root? 

Whom might we persecute?

From an objective view,

It’s logically true 

The reason is just overshoot.

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AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 28, 2023 1:06 pm

Unfair!! Non-disclosure that you are an engineer!! (joking). I always distrusted engineers (my father was an EE and a McCarthy (the original) conservative religious fundamentalist). BUT, I will give Karl Denninger (and you Rob) a pass. Karl’s long blog which you only excepted above was VERY GOOD. He really has a grasp on the difference between the scientific process and the engineering process of manufacturing something to reliably do something in the physical world without failing. I think he would do better to read a little more about Karl Popper and scientific testing with falsifiability as the aim of that testing (I think he glossed over it a little too much above). Too many scientists make hypotheses that they then design experiments to prove (pruning the hedge). To have rigorous outcomes, you have to design experiments to prove your hypothesis wrong. Denninger does understand that science does not give answers but only closer and closer approximations to the truth.
I do think that all those PhD’s in big pharma know what they are doing and lie, cheat, and dishonestly design studies (not experiments) to show that their drugs work. They should be screwed (however you define that term).
AJ

Mike Roberts
January 28, 2023 1:45 am

A paper just published (though it was submitted in April last year) claims that there are enough resources for the energy transition and the emissions won’t be too bad. https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(23)00001-6

It doesn’t appear to address declining ore quality or whether the production ramp up can be done quickly enough. It doesn’t address overshoot or the many predicaments we already face that won’t be helped by a continuation of BAU (and most of which civilisation itself was the main cause rather than climate change).

steve345
steve345
January 27, 2023 11:35 am

really, Rob, you’re just another gatekeeper? either that or a fucking coward, eh.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 27, 2023 4:51 pm

Well, this looks like a load of rubbish but then I probably know as little as JHK about it.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 27, 2023 5:09 pm

Sorry Rob, but that’s your opinion. We won’t know the full story about COVID-19, and about its vaccines, for some time. I admit that I now think the real story is not the official narrative but what the real story is, I don’t know (just like everyone else). JHK descended into loonacy when he was upset about Trump not getting in. Now he makes stuff up about almost everything he writes about (IMO), flinging out deprecating nicknames the way Trump did. I have three of JHK’s books but I wouldn’t buy anything else from him, including his truth.

I listened to this inteview with Owen Matthews, about the war. Although not taking the official line in everything (IMO) he did debunk most reasons for Russia going to war, as far as I could tell. He’s half Russian and spends a lot of time there.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 27, 2023 7:06 pm

No, I can’t. It’s up to you. He’s been reporting on Russia for a long time, so I guess he has some insight but I can’t vouch for him. All I can say is that he seems to know the history and sounds very plausible.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 28, 2023 1:12 am

I predict humans will always find something less important to focus on rather than do something significant about climate change, biodiversity loss, soil loss, resource depletion, acidifying oceans, etc.

Honestly, I have no idea what will happen over Ukraine. Predict away. I hope you’re right that the west will be able to avoid nuclear war, though part of me thinks that would at least get the global collapse over with.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 28, 2023 4:14 am

Just watched and gave up soon. Very much very british one-side-opinion. Already 2.4 pos vs 0 neg thumbs and absolutely no negativ comment, not even slightly critical, only thankyou-so-much-stuff followed by your channel is so nice, good, interesting, underrated and the like indicates how much another side might be denialed.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Anonymous
January 28, 2023 4:16 pm

Having given up watching it soon, I don’t know how you can give any opinion on the whole interview.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 28, 2023 5:03 am

got to say that I was very relieved that the main bloggers I read. agreed with my stance on covid ( my opinion was formed before reading theirs).
I found that some what reassuring that I was not going nuts. Everything about the covid story started to stink very quickly. Unfortunately most people bought into the fear and shut their minds down. Now we all have to live with it. A line was crossed or maybe a better way to think about it is that a phase change has occurred. There is no going back. The unvaxxed are pissed with their treatment from a large % of the vaxxed and the vaxxed can’t unvax. Things are going to get even more complicated moving forward. But there is no going back so we must all suck it up an adapt.
Never thought that this would be a major event in the collapse story but here we are.

By the way adenovirus vaccines are gene therapy. It literally programs your dna to make spike protein. All the vaxs are dangerous, sorry but that is a fact. We are still waiting for the 10 year results to come in. Happy to be in the control group. Far less stressful. Who wants to die suddenly of a coincidence?

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 28, 2023 2:17 pm

Definitely more comfortable with the pruning of friends and some family.
Perhaps it puts us in a better position to deal with collapse, we know who the people are that we are going to have troubles with.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 29, 2023 9:48 am

I envy both you and Gaia as dealing with someone close to you that is in complete and utter denial of all that collapse entails (and Covid too) is a psychic drain. Better to be by one’s self and discuss it with a dog.
AJ

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  AJ
January 29, 2023 4:03 pm

Hi AJ,
I hear you, and just wanted to say hang in there, it’s the only game left in town. At least we’ve all got this blog to flog whatever we need to validate and we’re all sympathetic enough to commiserate with each others’ vents. Believe me, finding this site has given me untold booster shots of sanity (the only shots I’ll take willingly!) throughout this past year. Thank you to all for contributing to this space.

I hope you’ve been finding that the emptiness left by Lulu’s demise has been steadily filling up with the companionship of your other canine companion(s). Dogs and trees have always been good friends, just patiently waiting for us humans to re-connect with our place in this world.

We’ve got plenty of other wildlife here that we can call little friends, multitudes of birds and a member of the hoppy family called pademelons, they’re pretty darn cute (like a cross between a teddy bear and a kangaroo) and do a reasonable job keeping down the grass in certain areas (and leaves of low fruit tree branches). Many times when I see the creatures around here, I send out a little thought that goes something like this “Soon this planet will be all yours again, just hang in there and your progeny will be the beneficiaries once we humans lose our dominion” So I feel very happy to know we’re providing a sanctuary of sorts (that is if they furries don’t get shot and eaten before all the dust finally settles, another distinct possibility).

Go well and all the best to you and your household. Thank you for your efforts at kindness, understanding and tolerance, that is also the privilege remaining to us.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Gaia gardener
January 30, 2023 4:13 am

Awesome comment.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Gaia gardener
January 30, 2023 4:34 am

Thanks Gaia,
Your thoughts are always a comfort and inspiration (even on a COLD winter morning 25 F).
AJ

Adam
Adam
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 27, 2023 1:52 am

When your PM is on camera saying “Canada is not broken” that is called an official denial.

Our institutions are broken, just my opinion.

required
required
January 25, 2023 3:42 pm

I’m still waiting for the Nate Hagens interview with Dr. Varki.

To post anything worthwhile

22% of Canadians say they’re ‘completely out of money’ as inflation bites

https://globalnews.ca/news/9432953/inflation-interest-rate-ipsos-poll-out-of-money/

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 24, 2023 6:44 pm

Writes a great comic strip. Otherwise, I wouldn’t say the guy has any integrity, whether he’s right or wrong on this. I understand Joe Rogan has been vaccinated so maybe he wants to forgive as though those who convinced him to be vaccinated were acting in good faith.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 25, 2023 4:51 am

I agree with Rob. Forgiveness is to easy. There were many in the pro-vax crowd that wanted to persecute anyone not getting vaxxed. I remember the talk of taking away their right to do ANYTHING!
Those who forced the vaxes on people and knowingly lied are no better than those Germans who facilitated the Holocaust. The mighty and powerful who did this should at the very least be impoverished and humiliated (and maybe some jailed).
AJ

Adam
Adam
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 25, 2023 12:39 pm

Is there a longer video where he presents/discusses his whiteboards?
I find it odd how it just cuts to him repeatedly saying av-ers are “on top” or “won”.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 26, 2023 4:39 am

I do think the pushers of the vax have tried to conflate anti-vax with mRNA skepticism too. I have always been pro-vax for regular vaccinations and I think your contention that they are one of our most impressive achievements is correct. My problem early on was that one of the biggest anti-vax luminaries (Robert Kennedy Jr.) and his organization, Childrens Health Defense came out against the vaccinations. They are scientifically wrong about vaccinations in general and pushed that fake childhood vaccines cause autism meme. They are right about the mRNA shots. My personal skepticism about the mRNA tech led me to take the J&J adenovirus Covid shot. I wish I hadn’t but that ship has now sailed. I won’t be getting anymore “flu” or Covid booster shots. But, when it come to a Tetanus booster I will get that.
AJ

marromai
marromai
Reply to  AJ
January 27, 2023 1:04 am

What makes you so sure that the science of traditional vaccines is right?
Isn’t it absolutely hypocrite, that we think to know everything better these days as anyone before?
In physics at least we know, that our understanding is only a model – it works very well within its limits, but nobody can tell what the universe is really made of. Don’t you think this could be the same for biology?

Here’s a series about traditional vaccines from a scientific point of view – just as an example: Tetanus – a nonsense vaccine, if you understand the underlying mechanism. And yet it is still given to everyone. Refer to the link for more info.
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-silent-killers-a0c

To throw a different light on medicine, you could read the following excerpt from Franz Konz – not that I’m totally with his “Natural Medicine”, but at least it makes you think about the whole pharmacy branch.

People have always fallen for deceivers.

Therefore, in order to see whether your eyes have really opened, you should divide the history of medicine into century slices and ask yourself what the treatment by doctors has brought to the sick so far and whether it was worth the money they have thrown out for it so far.

So – would you have agreed with the medical treatment in 1190 with white lead, in 1290 with caustic potash, in 1390 with Glauber’s salt, in 1490 with pus from plague sores, in 1590 with salamander tails? Or with that of 1690, when they prescribed mice pounded against diseases? Would you have had a bladder stone removed around that time in such a way that the horse doctor shoved one hand into your rectum to press the stone against the base of the bladder and with the other pushed a knife into your bladder through the intestine between the anus and the scrotum, pulled the knife out to again drive his bare hand into the horribly bleeding wound, grabbing for the stone?
“No, no, for God’s sake!” you answer.

Or would you have agreed with the therapy of the year 1790, when they used emetics against everything? And the doctors tortured young Mozart to death with fragments of Egyptian mummies and a medicinal composition of coral, ivory, deer horn tips, saltpeter, gold leaves and rigorous bloodletting?
Or would you have submitted to them when doctors used white-hot branding irons to press so-called “discharges” into the hissing muscles of the neck and back for “pain relief”? Or in 1890, when the sick were maltreated with mercury and arsenic? Or would you have preferred 100 years ago to let the doctors prescribe to you to wrap your baby completely immobile – arms and legs included – with endlessly long swaddling bandages like a mummy? And even have the doctors forbid you to cuddle your child, because they convince people that this would transmit germs.
Well, are you still not in favor of one of their treatments?
Then you would have preferred to have your baby’s cold treated by a doctor 80 years ago, when the “Actiengesellschaft Farbenfabriken” former “Friedrich Bayer & Co.” had the trademark “Heroin” legally protected under No. 31650F2456 and marketed as an excellent sedative with a specific cough-quenching effect, especially for children? This then ensured record sales all over the world as “cough syrup”. As late as 1926, IG Farben was still producing 1.8 tons of heroin annually for young people…
Maybe 60 years ago you would have liked to see your child suffering from leukemia being maltreated by doctors with one of the most insidious causes of cancer: benzene. That was considered the best cure for blood cancer at the time….
Or would you have liked to be treated for diarrhea about 50 years ago with the drug Clioquinol? Thousands of people remained paralyzed or went blind for the rest of their lives!
Or would you have liked to see yourself treated with Clofibrate 25 years ago in case of a heart attack? Gallstones, muscle weakness and quick death carried most of it.
Or would you have been happy, as a heart patient ten years ago, to have been given the heart-rate stabilizing drug Tambocor? Tens of thousands went to their graves prematurely.
But perhaps it would have been pleasant for you to have been treated for breast cancer four years ago, where they sawed off your entire breast even if you had the smallest lump? What can still happen to you today, however, if only a single cancerous thread has grown further than 1½ cm.
Maybe you have already got treated your gastritis or your stomach ulcer last year with the miracle drug and proton inhibitor Omazeprol: For many people, their stomach now no longer gives them grief. Instead, they now suffer from edema, changes in taste, blurred vision or are blind.
But today, you assume that the doctors are doing everything well and that you are getting the right medicine against your suffering when you go to the doctor again tomorrow. At most, doubts arise in your mind when you think about the treatment means of years ago – but they no longer exist today, you say to yourself. But the fact that every chemical remedy – also the one of today and the one of tomorrow and the genetic one of the day after tomorrow – is harmful, even fatally dangerous for you, is something you refuse to understand.

Or do you believe that an objective observer of the year 2095 will consider the medical treatment of diseases of today, i.e. in the years around 2000, as correct and successful? Really?

And nevertheless you agree with it, what your doctor prescribes to you today or injects or declares as a necessary operation.

Charles
Charles
Reply to  marromai
January 27, 2023 8:58 am

Very interesting. Thank you for all these examples. I wasn’t aware of most of them.

I guess Molière was not exaggerating:

whether we are right or wrong, we are paid equally well. We are never responsible for the bad work, and we cut away as we please in the stuff we work on. […] we can spoil a man without paying one farthing for the damage done. The blunders are not ours, and the fault is always that of the dead man. In short, the best part of this profession is, that there exists among the dead an honesty, a discretion that nothing can surpass; and never as yet has one been known to complain of the doctor who had killed him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_M%C3%A9decin_malgr%C3%A9_lui

Mike Roberts
Reply to  marromai
January 27, 2023 4:55 pm

Interesting. For me, though, medical interventions have drastically added to the overshoot condition. We can’t stop such interventions, nor can we force the birth rate down, so expect overshoot to continue for a long time until nature takes a hand.

marromai
marromai
Reply to  Mike Roberts
January 28, 2023 1:56 am

In principle, I agree, but I think that this is primarily due to improved hygiene conditions in everyday life, especially in obstetrics, as well as life-saving emergency measures – in other words, primarily good craftsmanship. Medicine has certainly been supportive in this, but as you can see from the long list, any relief in one place is accompanied by a side effect elsewhere.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  AJ
January 27, 2023 11:17 am

this is the 3rd time today i’ve tried to post this, perhaps it’ll work with a new URL for the image?

does anyone ever check the data before forming an opinion? here’s some historical data:
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and here’s the current data, according to our world in data, i.e. official government sources:

The country with the highest deaths per million of population for TB is Niger (31 deaths/million people). Niger is 95% vaccinated against TB. Of the top 10 countries with the highest death rates from TB (average of around 25 deaths/million people), half are at least 95% vaccinated.

At the other end of the scale, Ireland stopped vaccinating entirely against TB in 2015, and is in the bottom 10 for deaths (0.2 deaths per million). Switzerland is notable here too, with 0.36 deaths per million (in the bottom 20 for deaths from TB), and 76% of its population unvaccinated.

Put simply, the country with the highest death from TB is almost completely vaccinated against TB; the country with almost the lowest rate of death from TB is completely unvaccinated.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 26, 2023 1:48 pm

Vaccines are only an impressive achievement from a human-centric viewpoint. Like many medical “advancements” they have worsened the overshoot problem. As we’ve seen in Japan, the lower birthrate is causing issues in the demographic makeup of the population. We need higher death rates, not lower birthrates (though having both would help).

Mind you, I’ve been a beneficiary of medical advancements (not so much life saving as life enhancing), so I’ve no idea how humans can be made to accept a voluntary removal of medical interventions.

Kira
Kira
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 27, 2023 6:59 am

Are you saying that you would be open to getting vaccinated with a covid vaccine made by traditional technology like adenovirus? These vaccines were administered in many developing countries. Their efficacy is lower than mRNA but they are tried and tested technology product.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Kira
January 27, 2023 9:02 am

Interesting question. My personal understanding is that the J&J Covid vax was with the spike protein in an adenovirus (only used in the U.S. for the initial shot for a short while?). The Pfizer technology was “gene therapy” where lipid nanoparticles were injected that contained mRNA which would be integrated into the cell’s DNA and then the cells would synthesize the spike protein which would be expressed on the cell surface. Please correct me if I got this wrong. I took the J&J shot and have had no boosters. Others have opined that the Spike protein was the wrong antigen to use for either of the shots?
AJ

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  AJ
January 28, 2023 5:18 am

Hi there AJ, Kira, Rob and friends,

Hope all is going all right for you and winter’s been gentle so far. I’ve been off-line as of late due to the burgeoning fruit harvest, not that I’m complaining about the blueberries and stone fruit coming out of my ears!

Just wanted to comment on your understanding of the vaccine technology. From what I understand and with the background of my husband who has worked in the gene therapy field, both the mRNA and adenoviral vector DNA “vaccines” can be considered gene therapy and whilst not new technology in the basic science research field, this was the first time used in a so-called vaccine platform so it certainly is a novel application and as we all concur here, not worked out anywhere close to being safe nor effective for mass use. Since they have been proven not to give immunity nor stop transmission and more and more clearly increase all cause morbidity (disease) and mortality, they certainly do not deserve the term “vaccine” and not even “therapeutic” in my opinion. Until proven otherwise, they are merely injections of a foreign substance that cause a wide range of immunological and regulatory responses in the human organism, known and unknown, which have shown up in unprecedented numbers of people as negative health outcomes, to put it mildly.

The mRNA technology inoculants such as Pfizer and Moderna is a modified messenger RNA code which when attached to the lipid nanoparticle carrier, makes for easier entry into the target cells, which unfortunately were not limited by any means to the intended deltoid muscle. mRNA is processed in the cell’s cytoplasm (body of the cell, as distinct from the nucleus where DNA material is processed). This modified code was intended to make it more difficult for the cell’s natural mechanism to break down once inside, with the presumption that our own cells could churn out the coded spike protein for as long as possible and once the spike protein is “presented” on the surface of that cell, activate our immune response which would include destroying that pseudo-infected cell. This was supposed to re-enact a real infection, but whilst trying to be so clever, one of the main things gotten so wrong is that the coronaviruses normally infect the nasal and upper respiratory tissue, not muscle cells or all the other cell types this injection has reached, so the whole immune system activation went haywire from the get go. A good analogy here is that we tried to activate the navy when we really needed to engage the air force, the wrong division for the job. There are just so many things that could go pear-shaped with this approach, and it looks like most of them did. The biggest blunder and it beggars belief that it wasn’t foreseen, was to choose the so called Spike protein as the presenting antigen, which apparently has close analogy in structure to many of our cell type’s own surface proteins and therefore can exacerbate or instigate auto-immune responses, as we have seen throughout. This can manifest as damage to cardiac and neurological tissue causing scarring and conduction disturbances (a major possible reason for the sudden deaths and cardiac events), damage to the lining of blood vessels which can lead to clotting (strokes and more heart events), and the whole range of symptoms reported. Another significant pathway for morbidity and mortality is related to the novel lipid nanoparticles used to slip these vesicles of mRNA into the cells like a Trojan Horse, along with the undisclosed adjuvants (extraneous chemicals used to kick start an immune response, likened to adding insult to injury to the body). We need proper studies and autopsies done to elucidate the exact mechanisms of injury, but despite the piles of bodies mounting up to declare the ominous conclusions, academia is straitjacketed from doing so.

The DNA gene therapy inoculations, which comprise the J and J and Astrazeneca shots, work in an even more convoluted fashion, but they still operate on the related platform of “hijacking” your bodies’ own genetic replication and protein production mechanism. This time, a chimpanzee adenovirus (a respiratory virus that uses DNA as its genetic material, viruses can use either RNA or DNA) was modified to include an insert code of the Spike protein. The adenovirus was also attached to lipid nanoparticles for smoother entry into the target cell and thus “infected” the cell, carrying its modified genetic package, once again, the Trojan Horse metaphor works here. This time, however, the genetic material doesn’t stay in the cell’s body (cytoplasm) but is taken into the nucleus of the cell where the DNA is processed, and is translated into RNA. Then the RNA strand is carried out of the nucleus and back into the the cell body where it is used as an instruction code for making the spike protein, along with the other parts of the chimp adenovirus, as if that sounds like a salubrious effect, not! So in a way, there’s an extra step of transcribing the DNA into RNA, and then it’s more or less the same process afterwards to get the immune cells notified that this is an infected cell to search and destroy. One of the dangers here is, although not intended, sometimes the infecting adenoviral DNA gets spliced into the host’s cell DNA in the nucleus and therefore becomes a permanent fixture to churn out the message to make the virus, and even passing on the changed code to daughter cells. Infected cells, whether dressed up via mRNA or DNA mechanisms, should activate the immune system to destroy them and therefore break the cycle, but apparently this can take several months to occur as studies have shown that some people still produce spike protein for 6 months following the shot. That is a lot of time to effect damage to the entire body. Once again the real dumbass realisation comes when you understand that normally the body doesn’t “see” an adenovirus first in the muscle or other internal organ cell, its natural entryway is the respiratory system and we have evolved techniques and proper immune pathways for dealing with that. The full consequences of how we have retrained our immune system through our manipulations are becoming more clear with time; this is the crux of the concerns of the virologists such as GVB and others.

Perhaps because there were less participants of the DNA version in the States, the adverse effect profile has not been as robust and also the J and J shot was a one time dose which should lower the overall exposure. However, it was noted that the DNA vector shots did cause obvious dramatic clotting disorders in a short interval after the shot, and in many countries was no longer promoted. In Australia, the two dose Astrazeneca (an adenoviral DNA shot) was the main form offered to the elderly and immunocompromised in the first roll-outs and even actively withheld for younger age groups due to the higher risk of clotting. Later data became obfuscated because Pfizer became the booster shot of choice regardless of what your first shot was.

A very interesting point remains that China has steadfastly refused Western technology gene modifying shots and produced for their population a “traditional” vaccine which utilises inactivated viral particles to engage the immune response. This mechanism is analogous to activating the clean up crew to pick up rubbish that was dumped on the street on purpose and hopefully forevermore recognise that particular rubbish and take care of wherever and however it is found. This is how vaccines have worked up to date, the antigen (rubbish item that elicits the response) is usually a deactivated virus or particles of a virus. Compare this to invading the occupants of the houses along the street, forcing them to use their own resources to create what is rubbish, hang it out of the window and have the clean up crew destroy the house and surrounds that displays the rubbish from the window. But once again, coronaviruses are supposed to be engaged first in the nasal mucosa, and so far, no successful coronaviral vaccine has been developed in animal models which are injected. Who can know fully what China is masterminding but methinks and conjectures that its about face policy is geared to generating a more true and lasting herd immunity in its population, by letting the most vulnerable finally get exposed to the disease and undergo natural attrition, whilst the rest of the population also gets exposure to the new pathogen and develop natural immunity, counting on the young and relatively healthy to be the backstop for the disease once they develop true immunity. Then China will be well placed to deal with the next variant which may prove to be more virulent for the Western populations adulterated by the shots. Even if such a variant develops in China during this dissemination period (or is released again), having the possibility of mass immunity will be the main mitigating and long term strategy in any case.

Well my friends, this was a much longer post than I anticipated (but then again, I have been absent for a little while so you can forgive me). I hope I have helped contribute to some more enlightenment about the way these shots are supposed to work, but if it’s as clear as mud after you’ve read this, please ignore me and thank you for your tolerance.

All the best to everyone.

Gaia gardener
Gaia gardener
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 28, 2023 8:34 pm

Hi Rob,

I haven’t been too far away as I do check in nearly every day but just haven’t had a chance to post lately. I’m glad if anyone reading the above has increased their understanding of how these nefarious inoculations work. If I can help flesh it out in any more detail for anyone, please let me know.

It’s not difficult to find another source for the endless wonder for our biological bodies. Cardiac muscle cells are special in that they do not divide and that is why cancer doesn’t happen in the heart, there are no copying mistakes to be made. What we are born with are the same cells that keep our ticker going all our lives long, so that’s why any damage by whatever mechanism, is critical and there is no “mild” myocarditis. Because the main compensatory reaction to the injury is scarring of the tissue, and because the heart is mainly a conductive organ, once the electrical circuits are interrupted by scars, the main function of the heart can be severely compromised. From being a regular rhythmic and strong contractile pump, in the worse case you can go to a quivering bag that can’t send the blood out through the aorta and to the rest of the body. That is not compatible with life. And all manner of heart blocks (slowed conduction) and arrhythmias lead to decreased flow efficacy to all tissues, not ideal.

Whenever I attempt to train my mind upon an issue (like China’s response to Covid), I like to assume the involved parties have at least the same access to knowledge as me but most likely, very much more intel and insight than I could ever imagine given that in this case they are world leaders. I think I speak for all of us here that we are constantly trying to make sense of what is happening around us, given our birthright to use these extra CPUs, what else is there to do? It just isn’t satisfying, and maybe it’s just my denial factor, to think that everyone but us are morons, especially those who should really know better. It’s like a cop out to playing the game that’s afoot, to quote Sherlock Holmes, so I exercise my little grey cells to find an angle that makes some sense, based on the information I have and assuming the others are competent and powerful world leaders with a particular goal to pursue, probably subtly, so that’s another dimension of intrigue. Then, sometimes things do fall into place that provide me with some extra insight and my brain can resolve a while with the new understanding. Of course, this is all subjective and until I found this space, my thoughts usually stayed in my own head or just get voiced to my husband, who is a very patient and tolerant man.

I am happy to see everyone on the new page following monk’s very thorough and thoughtful discussion about how nuclear power isn’t the magic bullet either. Sigh, humans and their toys, always we will think there will be bigger and more.

Replenish
Replenish
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 9, 2023 5:39 pm

Mom (3x vaxxed) and I (unvaxxed) use Quercetin with Bromelain 250mg with D, Zinc, C and Melatonin at the 1st sign of illness. Neither one of us have been tested or suffered from Covid.

Mike Roberts
January 22, 2023 6:28 pm

I was thinking about Tim Garrett’s work again and realised that, from this point, any way of living, any economic system, degrowth, stead state, would still require increasing energy use, since it’s accumulated wealth that correlates strongly with energy use. Only a system that doesn’t accumulate wealth (not necessarily in monetary terms) can stop requiring increasing amounts of energy.

Of course, Tim Garrett may be wrong.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 23, 2023 1:38 am

I’m not sure about the “must grow to avoid collapse” equations. Maybe he is talking only of the energy requirement. If energy doesn’t grow, it means that the economy is not producing anything and that would be collapse.

He factors in depreciation of wealth (some stuff eventually wears out) but everything we build requires not only extra energy to build it but also to run it, to maintain it over some number of years. Overall, the energy requirement keeps growing, even if the economy is contracting.

He definitely sees that collapse is inevitable (or at least can’t see how it could be avoided) and I think that is the position of most of us here.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 23, 2023 5:45 pm

Garrett has used GDP as a proxy for what he calls “wealth” with adjustments. GDP is a measure of stuff produced in the economy (and some services). For everything built, produced or businesses started or expanded, energy is needed to operate and maintain them into the future. This includes buildings and infrastructure. Some adjustments are made for deterioration as eventually some things get retired and replaced. As this wealth accumulates, the energy requirement goes up. The relationship has remained remarkably constant for about 70 years since reasonably good records exist for GDP. The relationship for earlier on is approximate, based on best estimates.

So even if the population was held constant and even if GDP was held constant, the energy required would grow, since accumulated wealth increases. This is true even if GDP contracts, provided it never gets to zero or to a negative number. This growth in the energy requirement means that there is no way out. We have to return to a life without what we think of as an economy.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 24, 2023 1:14 am

That’s true, a constant energy flow to society means increasing ecosystem destruction, no matter what the energy infrastructure is, since they all need resources which are bound to decline in quality and accessibility.

Fusion commercially viable? I agree, collapse is assured, whether he’s right or he’s wrong about fusion. If he’s right, the destruction would be mind-boggling. If he’s wrong, well, not enough energy to keep society going.

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 19, 2023 3:41 am

It starts slowly and is long lasting but then …

Saludos

el mar

Jef Jelten
Jef Jelten
January 17, 2023 3:45 am

I can say you do not seek out opinions that conflict with your beliefs.

Denial requires having full knowledge of something then denying that knowledge and it is simply a indisputable fact that 99% of the population do not have even a fraction of the required knowledge and in fact have been saturated with the absolute WRONG knowledge as exposed here;

Every level of government has used every social networking sites on the internet to perpetuate fabricated lies and censor truth.

“Twitter files publisher: ‘Every conceivable wing’ of federal enforcement sent censorship requests”

Also Zeihan is a tool of the owners and a total twat. Read Pepe Escobars latest.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Jef Jelten
January 17, 2023 2:02 pm

In general, you’re right that people don’t seek out information that may conflict with their beliefs. I know that I have done it several times (and changed my belief as a result) but I’m sure that’s not always the case and still find it difficult to seriously engage with such material, though I do try if I think the subject is important.

Jef Jelten
Jef Jelten
Reply to  Mike Roberts
January 17, 2023 4:41 pm

Thats not really what I said at all. People do seek out information all the time and they are fed constant lies all the time. I am certain that if they were told the truth they would act accordingly but that is simply not happening and hasn’t for a very long time. One needs to be an acceptionally diligent and talented researcher to understand, something like Whitney Webb although there are still things she has not focused on enough to have the knowledge on.

Not saying I have all the knowledge but I try. Most important is to not get stuck on some dead end issue that keeps one from learning.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 15, 2023 11:03 pm

No, overshoot is a bad word.

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AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 13, 2023 4:59 am

Scott was brutally honest. None of us will be here next year unless NATO (U.S.) “goes gently into that good night.” My rage is directed at the complete morons in Washington but especially the brain dead Biden and his puppet masters.
AJ

scarr0w
scarr0w
January 12, 2023 10:25 am

Nate H. just dropped an interview with William Rees. one quote- ” Cities- human feedlots!” Ha!

Nothing really new here, but a well expressed explanation of overshoot.

And no they don’t mention denial of the sort you cover, but describe it in all ways except by name, and they do talk about all manner of mental disconnects.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 13, 2023 8:29 pm

Well, Bill Rees said multiple times that overshoot was the underlying cause of our predicament. Perhaps he didn’t explicitly say we need to reduce the population but that was certainly implied, IMO, in what he said throughout.

It was a great interview because Rees was saying exactly what I’ve been trying to say. Humans are simply acting like any other species, by responding to abundance (in our case, via fossil fuels) by exponentially growing its population. He understands our short term thinking and that we’d never do anything other than what we’re doing, until we physically can’t do it any more. It was like I was listening to myself! I just wish I had as much knowledge as he has.

Highly recommended and very listenable at 1.25 speed (I though 1.5 might be too fast as Bill talks more quickly than Nate).

monk
January 9, 2023 8:04 pm
jim
jim
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 10, 2023 9:02 am

lol Rob
I tried to get PZ Myers to comment on study that showed mRNA covid treatments cause your immune system to ignore covid (like alergy shots) rather than fight covid (like the measles vaccine)

he deleted my comment
even though i just asked what he thought about it.

lol I have lost respect for so many people who claim to be scientists.

(the demon explanation is the only thing that makes any sense. lol)

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 10, 2023 12:34 pm

What annoys me is the closing down of all opposing views of the mainstream narrative. It is hard to find serious debate on those opposing views and that makes me very suspicious of the mainstream narrative. I understand that California has even implemented a law that prohibits doctors publicly countering that narrative. If that’s true, it’s intolerable and should have prompted huge protests.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 10, 2023 8:17 pm

Yes, I’ve seen two commentaries recently (not about COVID-19, per se, but mention COVID-19 as part of a round up of the year) and both start off, paraphrased, “Thanks to the vaccine, many lives were saved”). I still don’t deny the possibility that may be true, but the fact they started with that suggests a desire not to delve more deeply – there was, of course, no justification of the claim.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Mike Roberts
January 10, 2023 12:51 pm

Rob,
I do think it is that people can’t stand the thought that they were duped about Covid. Better to believe the narrative than stand out as a “anti-vaxer conspiracy theorist”, only Trump supporters are that stupid (sarcasm). I am not surprised about PZ Myers, I used to read him because he was a sane voice on evolution. I gave up on him because he was too doctrinaire liberal. One of the most disappointing to me was a blogger who went by C5 (as in Category 5)(darkgreenmountainsurvival). He was a collapse aware doomer trying to live sustainably in New Brunswick. When Covid came he went “full in” on the mainstream narrative with a complete “liberal” (hate those Canadian Truckers – they’re Trumpers) bias. How can someone be doom/overshoot aware and then “buy in” to what the government/media/corporate Pharma tell you. Fear maybe, denial for sure.
AJ

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 11, 2023 8:58 am

A few days ago, a US pharmacologist, Sasha Latypova, joined the covid discussion. There are now also a few video interviews with her.

Basically, it was – and is! – a vax-conspiracy of lawyers, government officials, national regulators, scientists and, above all, the pharmaceutical industry.

Saludos

el mar

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 9, 2023 12:47 pm

Chris Martenson is also predicting the big crash for 2023

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 10, 2023 1:23 am

Gail makes a pretty good case but hedges a bit in the conclusion, adding 2024 and 2025 to make it a severe recession over the next 3 years. Share markets also used to be a reasonably rough proxy for the economy but became completely divorced from it in the GFC. Just when a crash looks likely, something causes it to reverse. It remains a mystery. When nothing really changed after the GFC, despite some early moves, it is quite remarkable that economies haven’t really turned down since, though there are exceptions.

I always think it’ll be this year that the wheels start to come off. Eventually, I’ll be right.

marromai
marromai
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 12, 2023 5:16 am

There is a link in Gail’s article to “B – The Honest Sorcerer”, another overshoot aware writer from eastern Europe I stumbled upon a while ago – the sphere of aware people seems to be growing (or at least it seems so, due to a focus bias).

https://thehonestsorcerer.medium.com/renewables-are-slowly-approaching-diminishing-returns-229e28b2dc9d

The articles of B are good, but the comments are even more revealing: Some agree on his writings about our predicament, but there are many tech enthusiasts, engineers and other hard opponents that are sure that the future will be bright, green and renewable. It’s very interesting why they land on his site and comment there – I haven’t seen such vehement opposers here on un-denial or other overshoot sites…

marromai
marromai
Reply to  marromai
January 12, 2023 5:18 am

Sorry, the link is not in the article, but in the comment section – just to be exact about this.

marromai
marromai
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 12, 2023 9:17 am

Soon there will be a case that clearly shows that it won’t work – it’s Germany, the pioneer of green utopia and the pioneer on the road to perdition…

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 14, 2023 4:46 am

i introduced B to gails blog comments as I feel he is a younger generation that has picked up the baton, he writes very succinctly. Still I don’t think many will read his postings. Doom awaits us all. It is up to us how we deal with it. there will be no mass awakening just more died suddenly in their sleep.

AJ
AJ
January 8, 2023 1:17 pm

Just thought this post by Karl Denninger on ChatGPT was quite interesting. I believe his history includes being CEO of an ISP that he sold to some other company and made a good some of money. He has a background in tech. I liked his conclusions about ChatGPT in that they reinforce my own suspicion that computers will never think like organic brains. They might imitate thinking because of vast computing power but a skillful questioner can expose them.
Thoughts?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=247817

AJ

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 9, 2023 2:39 am

you may find this interesting regarding AI and music

el mar
el mar
January 8, 2023 3:03 am

This is an older summary of an article about population planning in german language, fom Peter Mersch:

Click to access coo3Z1coovar_fileupload_url1_eZ238626Z3bevoelkerungsplanung.pdf

The article argues for an efficient global and internationally coordinated population planning and shows that such a thing could be feasible without interfering with personal rights. Population planning 1 Population planning Population planning is an unattractive word. And because it is so unattractive, scientists, the media and politicians prefer to bury their heads in the sand instead of taking a neutral look at this topic, which is so fundamentally important for the future of humanity.

2,000 years ago – around the birth of Christ – a total of 160 million people lived on earth. The first billion was exceeded around 1800, then in 1927 already the second. The next billion was reached at ever shorter intervals: three billion in 1960, four billion in 1974, five billion in 1987 and six billion in 1999. At the beginning of 2007, there were about 6.7 billion people living on Earth. In other words: Exactly the exponential population growth occurred, which already caused Thomas Robert Malthus great worries. For the sake of simplicity, I will assume that population figures remain stable at a fertility rate of 2.1 (i.e. an average of 2.1 children per woman). At present, this is approximately the case, but it was not true for the past, when the mortality of children was much higher than today, so that higher fertility rates were necessary to maintain a stable population size.

But I want to keep the following considerations deliberately simple and therefore assume that population maintenance is basically achieved at a fertility rate of 2.1. If we assume a generation time of 30 years, then it follows from the assumptions made that the world population has reproduced on average at a fertility rate of 2.22 for 2,000 years, i.e. somewhat more than stock-conserving. You may be surprised now, because 2.22 is not that much more than 2.1, and yet the effect is huge. Well, if it would go on like so far, then in the year 4000, thus after again 2,000 years, on the earth 264 billion humans would live. And that’s where the fun really stops. Thomas Robert Malthus 2 Population planning Or could it perhaps be a little more, for example a fertility rate of 2.3?

Then, in the year 4000, almost three trillion people would be living on earth. Or pile up on top of each other. However, there is also the opposite phenomenon on Earth: population shrinkage. At present, it is primarily the developed countries that are affected, but it has also hit many emerging economies, and many population experts believe that the global population explosion will come to a halt after 2050 at perhaps 9 or 10 billion people, after which the earth’s population could even shrink overall. But at what rate? At present, almost all developed countries have fertility rates that are significantly too low, especially in Europe. Sweden and Great Britain are considered to be satisfactory to exemplary (whenever Germany talks about birth rates, Sweden has to serve as a model). Both countries had a fertility rate of about 1.67 in 2008. If the earth’s population were to reproduce at a fertility rate of 1.67 for the next 2,000 years, it would shrink to about 1,500 people by the year 4,000, assuming a generation time of 30 years.

Once again in words and for the record: One thousand five hundred! Perhaps you believe however rather, the world population could behave in such a way like the Germans, and reproduce only with a fertility rate of approx. 1.4. Even better, because then exactly zero humans remain in the year 4000. Extinct one calls that. Therefore, you can also put it this way: a fertility rate of 2.22 like the last 2,000 years leads to overpopulation, species extinction, environmental damage, climate change, war, terrorism, poverty, hunger, one of 1.67 like that of the Swedes in 2008 to extinction. Mankind therefore has the choice between plague and cholera.

Saludos

el mar

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  el mar
January 8, 2023 3:43 am

Another interesting book:

From “kerstin” on limitstogrowth.net, deepl translated::

“Eckart Knaul came in the course of his life to the biological law of mass action and wrote a book about it.
In it, he comes to the conclusion that with too high population density from a certain point humans affirm everything which leads to the reduction and reject everything which prevents this.
Since nature-driven also from the cerebrum not to influence or even to prevent.
If I look at today’s mass movements and their demands or beliefs, then all, without exception all, are directed downward.
People to whom this seems absurd (remark from el mar: like you, Rob), crazy or induced delusional and scratch their heads without finding an explanation for this behavior are brake blocks of the reduction.

For this, nature has provided, until the balance is restored, the elimination of the brake blocks.
By wearing out and early death or by elimination by the masses.”

Review on Amazon:

“Anyone who wants to understand the state of our society today must have read this book and the sequence of moral decay of values described in it. The author discusses logically and conclusively with the help of many practical examples how we humans are also subject to natural laws without even being aware of them.”

Saludos

el mar

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Anonymous
January 8, 2023 3:55 am

Eckart Knaul:
“In socially living mammals, which usually establish a social hierarchy, the collapse of the population and the new beginning is forced by a chain of events dictated by nature : the crowding of the overpopulation leads to a striving for equality and the destruction of the social hierarchy. By destroying this hierarchy, the population becomes incapable of action and the distressed individuals fall over each other. “

Brent Ragsdale
Brent Ragsdale
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
January 9, 2023 12:37 pm

I was pleased to see that Tom Murphy included a link to my interview with him for EcoRadio KC. I continue to be an occasional host for that show though I’m finding it difficult to project the “positive solutions” we claim to be presenting.

Eclipse Now
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 22, 2023 1:59 am

I’ve put my longer blurb on the Chat GPT post. But to make it short here, most modern renewables CAN and ARE increasingly being made without rare earths. Renewables engineers plan to Overbuild these renewables from such abundant materials as silicon, iron ore and aluminium. Overbuild reduces winter storage to 2 days. This CAN be supplied by PHES. OR sodium batteries from sea-salt! OR some nations can Overbuild even more and get the storage down to about 2 HOURS! Also, as we electrify everything – even mining and smelting processes (which Australian industry have ENORMOUS plans for!), it will be so efficient we’ll HALVE the amount of energy we need. Converting the raw thermal value of coal oil and gas we burn each year into an equivalent energy demand to be made up of renewables is a massive LIE and CHEAT! Burning diesel wastes half the energy, burning gasoline 80% of the energy. EV’s only waste 20%. Oh, and once Australia’s NRMA build OFF-GRID EV charging stations made of local solar and giant grid-batteries (made from sodium in the future? 30% cheaper and no thermal runaway) – that means there’s no mining of oil and shipping it across the planet and driving it up and down the highway each week. Install that solar EV charger once every 25 years – and no more fossil fuel shipping. 22,000 fossil-fuel cargo ships can be recycled into wind turbines!
For what smarter people than me make of Simon Michaux’s cherrypicking, try these links.
Good luck defending him – he’s told some lies and they are WHOPPERS!

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/07/04/how-many-things-must-one-analyst-get-wrong-in-order-to-proclaim-a-convenient-decarbonization-minerals-shortage/

https://ageoftransformation.org/energy-transformation-wont-be-derailed-by-lack-of-raw-materials/

Eclipse Now
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
October 22, 2023 4:58 pm

So Sodium batteries that don’t use rare-earths are NOT a thing? So we CANNOT in fact replace say 90% of the functions of copper with aluminium? So it’s OK that Michaux quoted a study about Singapore to debunk GLOBAL PHES potential? What are you in fact saying?