By Bill Rees: On the Virtues of Self-Delusion—or maybe not!

Dr. Bill Rees, Professor Emeritus from the University of British Columbia, gave a presentation on our overshoot predicament earlier this month to a zoom meeting of the Canadian Association for the Club of Rome (CACOR).

I’m a longtime fan of Dr. Rees and consider him to be one of the most aware and knowledgeable people on the planet.

This is, I believe, the best talk I’ve seen by Dr. Rees and he covers all of the important issues, including topics like overpopulation that most of his peers avoid.

Presentations like this will probably not change our trajectory but nevertheless I find some comfort knowing there are a few other people thinking about the same issues. This can be a very lonely space.

The Q&A is also very good. I found it interesting to hear how much effort Dr. Rees has made to educate our leaders about what we should be doing to reduce future suffering. He was frank that no one to date, including the Green party, is open to his message. Not surprising, but sad. Also inspiring that someone of his stature is at least trying.

Summary

Climate-change and other environmental organizations urge governments to act decisively/rapidly to decarbonize the economy and halt further development of fossil fuel reserves. These demands arguably betray:

– ignorance of the role of energy in the modern economy;

– ill-justified confidence in society’s ability to transition to 100% green renewable energy;

– no appreciation of the ecological consequences of attempting to do so and;

– little understanding of the social implications.

Without questioning the need to abandon fossil fuels, I will argue that the dream of a smooth energy transition is little more than a comforting shared illusion. Moreover, even if it were possible it would not solve climate change and would exacerbate the real existential threat facing society, namely overshoot.

I then explore some of the consequences and implications of (the necessary) abandonment of fossil fuels in the absence of adequate substitutes, and how governments and MTI society should be responding to these unspoken biophysical realities.

Biography

Dr. William Rees is a population ecologist, ecological economist, Professor Emeritus, and former Director of the University of British Columbia’s School of Community and Regional Planning.

His academic research focuses on the biophysical prerequisites for sustainability. This focus led to co-development (with his graduate students) of ecological footprint analysis, a quantitative tool that shows definitively that the human enterprise is in dysfunctional overshoot. (We would need five Earth-like planets to support just the present world population sustainably with existing technologies at North American material standards.)

Frustrated by political unresponsiveness to worsening indicators, Dr. Rees also studies the biological and psycho-cognitive barriers to environmentally rational behavior and policies. He has authored hundreds of peer reviewed and popular articles on these topics. Dr. Rees is a Fellow of Royal Society of Canada and also a Fellow of the Post-Carbon Institute; a founding member and former President of the Canadian Society for Ecological Economics; a founding Director of the OneEarth Initiative; and a Director of The Real Green New Deal. He was a full member of the Club of Rome from 2013 until 2018. His international awards include the Boulding Memorial Award in Ecological Economics, the Herman Daly Award in Ecological Economics and a Blue Planet Prize (jointly with his former student, Dr. Mathis Wackernagel).

I left the following comment on YouTube:

I’m a fellow British Columbian and longtime admirer of Dr. Rees. Thank you for the excellent presentation.

I agree with Dr. Rees’ prescription for what needs to be done but I think there’s a step that must precede his first step of acknowledging our overshoot predicament.

Given the magnitude and many dimensions of our predicament an obvious question is why do so few people see it?

I found a theory by Dr. Ajit Varki that provides a plausible explanation, and answers other important questions about our unique species.

The Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory posits that the human species with its uniquely powerful intelligence exists because it evolved to deny unpleasant realities.

If true, this implies that the first step to any positive meaningful change must be to acknowledge our tendency to deny unpleasant realities.

Varki explains his theory here:

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-030-25466-7_6

A nice video summary by Varki is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqgYqW2Kgkg

My interpretations of the theory are here:
https://un-denial.com/denial-2/theory-short/

https://un-denial.com/2015/11/12/undenial-manifesto-energy-and-denial/

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Mandrake
Mandrake
February 18, 2022 10:06 pm

Net importer you say? Well I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.

Maybe not so smart repealing in 2015 the 1975 law that generally prohibited the export of crude oil produced in the United States.

gwb
gwb
February 18, 2022 7:43 pm

Oh dear, the U.S. is about to become a net importer of oil again… So much for the shale “revolution”. Art Berman, Jeffrey Brown and others said our net-exporter status would not last long. The author of this piece says we have “vast resources” – but makes no mention about the quality of those resources.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-set-to-again-become-net-importer-of-oil-despite-vast-resources/ar-AAU2zWC

el mar
el mar
February 18, 2022 12:35 am

https://www.peak-oil.com/2022/02/europas-energiekrise/#comment-400281

Patrick says:
February 18, 2022 at 08:55 am
“While Germany has prescribed itself an energy turnaround, it has been stepmotherly and inconsistent and is now leading to the issue of energy prices becoming relevant again.”

And this energy turnaround is leading us exactly…where?
We’ve been going in circles here for years.
I stand by the realization that a world based primarily on wind and solar can only accommodate a tiny fraction of today’s population.
And even this wind/solar generation technology will disappear not too long after fossil disappears as well.

Our overriding problem is not climate change, but quite simply and banally an exorbitant overshoot.
Climate change is only a symptom of it.

Why should we continue to dither around it and imagine a world powered by hydrogen, wind and sun?
It simply won’t happen.
If the fossil industrial age ends, then the absolutely predominant part of mankind will also end.

The most that can still be done is to mitigate the maximum nosedive a little bit and to change to a not quite so steep descent.
So we are only delaying the inevitable a little.

For better or worse, we will have to resign ourselves to a healthy dose of fatalism in the future.

The complexity of the global economy goes beyond what is often mentioned here. Supply chains can be permanently destroyed, demographics, migration(s), wars/civil wars, currency collapse…there are so many things at play that can influence whether or how much oil and gas we can still extract in energy terms.

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 2:16 pm

Yeah, most small scale organic farmers I have read about tend to buy compost. This includes The Market Gardener and these guys: https://www.singingfrogsfarm.com/

I personally did the “square foot garden” method and found that I generated enough compost. I supplemented with a lot of leaves stored in the fall, which is the most important part on small scale (dry browns). I also included coffee grounds from my office and a few other found sources.

I was never involved with this on my family’s farm – but I believe for their dairy they spread manure, but also took egg shells from a local manufacturing plant. I believe they also occasionally used some form of byproduct from a local wastewater treatment facility?

Sad to hear, nevertheless. I also volunteered at a CSA which teaches urban youths for a career in organic agriculture. They make compost but note they don’t generate enough dry browns. You’d have to team up with something like a landscaping company for ground wood chips.

But on a personal level, I found that a 50 gallon drum of brown leaves worked perfectly. Every time I added greens (garden waste and kitchen scraps) I added a few scoops of browns.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2022 7:32 am

Yep. They also had wood lots. Sadly, even if you have access to lots of leaves, eventually the trees/forests need those leaves for themselves. The only viable world is one with significantly fewer humans. Permaculture systems work, but ultimately need to keep what’s extracted local to the property. Including human waste.

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  theblondbeast
February 17, 2022 4:45 pm

Martha’s composting operation is impressive. Too bad you don’t have her dough – you could get yourself a tub grinder. “It’s a good thing.”

Wonder how much diesel that grinder takes?

https://www.themarthablog.com/2019/06/the-tub-grinder-at-work.html

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 5:24 pm

Or as Nate Hagen’s would say, “energy blind”

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 12:40 pm

Surprising to me! With Xi’s new commitment to “common prosperity” most China observers were predicting the losses would be left on the developers. Which of the two is more likely: (1) the common prosperity push was never intended to deal with inequality, contrary to other recent actions such as crack-downs on celebrities, or (2) the government concluded the risks are too high to stay the course?

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 2:31 pm

I heard that yesterday! The last time I had encountered the concept was in the fiction book The Mandibles: A Family 2029-2047, a story of economic collapse. LOL A good fiction book! But the conclusion is bad.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 11:26 am

The new presentation was sobering. I appreciate his work but consider it a pipe dream. Interesting exercise! I keep in mind we don’t live in “one civilization” even if we have a shared global economy. We live in a plurality of civilizations, many of which are by no means willing to entertain this. It’s kind of a western intellectuals delusion that we could find some democratic way through this.

Bill Rees had the most sober comment/question at about 1:14.

The rebuttal is that Alpert believes a bottom-up change is possible if people can be made to see what he calls the “potential injury” or consequences. While that is logically possible, I don’t think it is actually possible.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2022 4:44 am

You are not wrong Rob. The covid reality is as you see it. Many smart people also see it – Chris Martenson, Malone, Kory and many others. Covid is being used to curtail our freedoms and attempt to put us in tribes. I have found that there are numerous people who I used to respect that have gone full psycho on covid. One I just couldn’t read any more is a fellow Canadian of yours – Category 5. https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/
He used to write a very insightful and practical blog on collapse survival, but since Covid has gone completely off the rails and sees nothing wrong with the Canadian government going Nazi on the Freedom Truckers protest. He’s now pandemic crazy. I can’t read him at all now.
You are sane and rational, others are trapped by fear and denial. Keep up the good work.
AJ

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2022 7:25 am

The COVID and Convoy discussion did depress me, too. They may have rightly fit it into the pattern Alpert noted of “the existing systems breaking down,” but not in the way we see it – i.e. break down of institutions of politics and science, rather than breakdown of social order. Perhaps it’s a bit of both.

jim
jim
February 17, 2022 7:01 am

I read this article, and it has an interesting take on social class.
They divide up society by grouping the “physical” vs the “virtual”

“It turns out that not only do the Physicals still exist, and are (for now) still able to drive themselves into the heart of the cities, they actually still have power – a lot of power. In the middle of a supply chain crisis, those truckers represent the total reliance of the ruling elite on the very people they find alien and abhorrent. To many of the Virtuals, this is existentially frightening. The reaction of the Virtual ruling class – represented by the absolutely archetypal modern progressive male, Justin Trudeau – to this challenge has been extremely telling, and rather predictable.” – https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/reality-honks-back

Brian
Brian
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 9:49 am

Rob, you’re about 10 steps behind where you need to be on this. No wonder you “don’t understand”. How could anyone? It’s like a bad Hollywood villain movie, only we’re in it right now. Here is some enlightenment. Pay attention to this linked article and remember : the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality is about 8 months! Ha! Some “laughing matter”, this is!

WEF/Young Global Leaders The greatest conspiracies are hidden in plain sight
https://nakadai.substack.com/p/wefyoung-global-leaders?r=12te6f

and read some history dammit!

Writing the News – United States Memorial Holocaust Museum Encyclopedia

“Shortly after taking power in January 1933, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis succeeded in destroying Germany’s vibrant and diverse newspaper culture. The newly created Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda handed out daily instructions to all German newspapers, Nazi or independent, detailing how the news was to be reported…”

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/writing-the-news

Best, Brian

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2022 7:27 am

About 10 years or so ago I was entertaining the notion that “global techno fascism is the only thing which can save us.” Unfortunately after reading Tainter I don’t think this is possible. Faced with limits, we can’t expect increased global cooperation, increased application of technology, or anything which looks like more complexity. Simplification is coming – which means less of everything, I think.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
February 16, 2022 2:58 pm

Two of my favorites talk about fossil fuels for the first time! Check out Michael Green and Lacy Hunt at 1:07.

Hopium to follow, but good to hear them say it!

Martin
Martin
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2022 1:01 am

“They see the problem is global, they see it is unprecedented, they see it spinning exponentially out of control, and they have not a clue about the cause.” Exactly. Perfectly concise summary of the situation. Why is this the case? Because they think it is ingenuity and technology (and economics) that has taken us to where we are, at the pinnacle of human civilization. And it is true, without technology/ingenuity (simpler: engineering) our society would not be where we are. 70 years of oil, or more than 200 years of oil plus coal, have moved fossil fuels out of sight and into an unconscious background that is just taken for granted. Engineering schools (as well as other schools) should have much more about mass and energy flows in their curricula. The confusion also arises from the fact that the same quantitative and analytical scientific methods are used to describe technology/machinery, on the one hand, and natural systems on the other hand. It is then easy to focus on technology and lose sight of natural systems and their mass and energy flows, and fall into the trap of “it all comes from human ingenuity”. Working at a technical university, I see this every day. They really believe – fundamentally believe, beyond any rationality – that technology is everything and will save us.

Martin
Martin
Reply to  Martin
February 17, 2022 1:27 am

… obviously, it is a pseudo religion serving the same old goals: redemption and immortality.

Martin
Martin
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2022 12:00 am

So, what we see in many respects is not an intentional scheme or a plot, but it is a metaphysical void that they fill with the belief in technology, growth, eternity, redemption. It is very wrong and very sad.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2022 7:20 am

Yep – the nice thing about the Hunt/Green video is that they at least acknowledged it was about energy, as fossil fuels. They also descussed The Rise and Fall of American Growth (Gordon) which traces the diminishing returns of technology.

They are missing overshoot and denial from their analysis.

gwb
gwb
February 15, 2022 1:24 pm

A former deputy secretary of energy in the George W. Bush administration says that the cure for high energy prices is less red tape, more pipelines, more LNG terminals, more drilling, and natural gas is “green” and “sustainable”. Overshoot, depletion and energy descent doesn’t exist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-us-policies-contribute-to-high-energy-prices/ar-AATTxnB?li=BBnb7Kz

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 15, 2022 12:36 pm

I’m waiting for Trudeau to get Canadian intelligence services to ban you Rob! (You are putting out damaging information about Covid and vaccinations ;)) And watch out for that propaganda about the Russians – we all know they are evil and the U.S. is GOOD (only if you are aligned with biden & co.). (lot’s of sarcasm above).
Chuck Watson (who I have linked to previously) had a new post on Ukraine yesterday. It was good and insightful as usual.
https://blogenkiops.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/the-surreal-ukraine-situation/
Hope Trudeau gets his comeuppance soon.
AJ

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  AJ
February 15, 2022 3:20 pm

Great share – thank you.

gwb
gwb
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 15, 2022 7:52 pm

This is one of the best analyses I’ve come across of Russia’s foreign-policy decision-making process. The West is focused on Putin as if he is the one pulling all the strings, but there is an entire bureaucracy in Moscow that has been formulating policy for years. One commenter notes that as a KGB veteran of overseas assignments, Putin must be well aware of the problems of spun intelligence, which led to bad decision-making, and was one of the many reasons for the downfall of the Soviet Union. I think we are dealing with a much more rational actor in Russia now – their decison-making is based on facts and data.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/02/americas-putin-psychosis/

gwb
gwb
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2022 10:01 am

The U.S. is now the one dealing with the consequences of spun intelligence. Colin Powell said that his biggest mistake was going before the U.N. Security Council in 2002 with the presentation on Saddam’s supposed possession of WMD. That story was cooked up by the Dick Cheney cabal – not one intelligence analyst believed it.

lidiaseventeen
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2022 3:22 pm

A not-insignificant number of US bio-labs in Ukraine. Plus lots of US political families criminal interests (Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Romney).

Jef Jelten
Jef Jelten
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 13, 2022 2:42 pm

“Many of my friends oppose the convoy saying we have no right to hold the country hostage.”

You are right…only our government gets to do that.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 14, 2022 2:13 am

“Many of my friends oppose the convoy saying we have no right to hold the country hostage.”

Do they also oppose climate activists blocking streets to attract attention to their agenda? I often sense double standards in such cases, whether the people like the cause of the protest or not. At least in Germany, climate protest is an approved version of holding the country hostage, as the government basically let´s the activists get away with it.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Secretface2097
February 14, 2022 11:57 am

Not to get too political. . .
But it’s just like in the U.S., riots by BLM or Antifa participants (not wearing masks or social distancing) is reported with approval in the MSM. But, any info at all about anti-Covid treatments or anti-Covid protests in Canada is either not reported or subtly denigrated.
If you support the elite/corporate/Pharma/government messaging – you get good MSM coverage. If you don’t you are either not reported on or denigrated.
I hope Trudeau gets shot down in Parliament? Is that wishful thinking.
Oh, by the way. . . we’re going to have a war? And the U.S. is doing it to defend democracy, the rule of law, and international stability (as long as the U.S. gets to pillage everyone with impunity and gets good press).
Oh, and doubly by the way. . . look out for a potential downturn in the economy? (it’s really a buying opportunity (buy the dip! (sarcasm))).
Best of Monday to you!!
AJ

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  AJ
February 15, 2022 12:34 am

I agree. Talking about “mostly peaceful” protests in front of burning buildings is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

Here in Germany, there is a deep relationship between the so called left wing parties (SPD, Die Linke) and Antifa. You could say that they are a paramilitary unit sponsored by the government. During the reign of Angela Merkel, they were even used to scare her opponents. It´s no wonder that some people get the impression of a block party when they look at the German party landscape. The only opposition to the government seems to come from the AfD and a fraction of Die Linke led by Sarah Wagenknecht.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 11, 2022 2:29 am

I translated the sentence to German because I could not make any sense of it. After translating I still cannot make any sense of it.

A famous German blogger often says that you can no longer tell satire and reality apart.

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 11, 2022 6:45 am

The insanity will continue until some part of the market delivers a “punch in the nose.” This being the best way to get a drunk persons undivided attention.

monkmil
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 9, 2022 11:23 pm

We’ve been having a wet cold summer where I live. Across the mountains it has been unseasonably hot (30c+) and a drought

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 11, 2022 2:24 am

If I look at the average temperatures for Santa Monica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica,_California#Climate), 21°C is not unusual for February. If I look at the daily mean temperature, there is only a 5 degree difference between the hottest (Aug, 19,4°C) and coldest months (Dec, Jan, Feb, 14,1°C). So, no cold winters for Santa Monica.

I had relatives living in Los Angeles during the 1990s. The lowest temperatur they ever had was 12°C in December. I visited them multiple times in the summer, where some parts of Greater LA are unbearably warm (around 40°C). Santa Monica was always colder due to being on the Pacific Coast.

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 12, 2022 7:25 pm
Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Mandrake
February 14, 2022 2:15 am

Apparently, it wasn´t the hottest one ever:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/super-bowl-2022/its-a-hot-one-at-the-super-bowl-but-not-the-hottest-ever/2888593/

The record from 1973 still stands. No need to panic…we had enough the last two years.

MickN
MickN
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 9, 2022 1:41 pm

Superb-the basics in 6 minutes, but I still have a feeling that its only for the choir. Every time (increasingly rarely) I say anything about this stuff, in even what would be considered well educated circles, I’m met with derision. The answer they always give is that we will figure it out.
I’m not sure how Nate stays positive enough to keep working on this but, as a member of the choir, I’m glad he does.
How do I give a like to comments?-do I have to have a wordpress account and what is it?

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 9, 2022 3:00 pm

Yep, great video. Nate really knows how to hit all the salient points. I wish he would put a word or two more on how long it took evolution to make multicellular creatures (2 – 3 billion years) and how unusual they appear to be in the universe. Other than that this was a superb video. I too have no one (save one daughter) who gets this and sees where we are going. Yes, reality denial is on full display. Oh so sad.
AJ

monkmil
Reply to  AJ
February 9, 2022 11:26 pm

Im lucky to have many family members who do get

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 11, 2022 2:14 am

Go Canada! What do you think of Pierre Poilievre as a possible new leader of the conservative party and successor of Trudeau? I am not very versed in Canadian politics but the few videos I have seen of him were quite positive. He put´s the finger where it hurts.

Perran
Perran
February 8, 2022 11:43 am

Her Rob, go onto Bing.com and type Vaids. Then go onto Google.com and type in Vaids. I have no idea if Vaids is real. Could be total bullshit and hysteria but the difference between the results of the two search engines is pretty stark.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 8, 2022 12:58 pm

I’ve been using Firefox and DuckDuckGo for the last 6 months or so. I love Google’s integration with all their “tools” but hate them as a company. It seems all organizations over a certain size end up becoming evil (money being all that matters). Not sure if I buy VAIDS as a valid syndrome, but I would always error on the side of caution. Wish I hadn’t gotten that first shot. No boosters for me. At this point all I (or anyone) can do is try to maximize your health. Even that is hard to do. Exercise is good, sleep is good, lowering stress is good, staying young helps (wish I knew how to do that!!) generally drugs are no good (maybe a little in moderation???). Food becomes a problem only because everyone has an agenda. Low fat diet, whole foods diet, keto diet, paleo diet. Each has a proponent who appears to cherry pick studies supporting their “advice”. I just try to stay slim and eat food that is as unprocessed as possible (what our distant ancestors ate (which was generally anything that didn’t kill them – because K calories are hard to obtain without cheap fossil fuels)). And LOL, all that probably won’t help me much.
AJ

Perran
Perran
Reply to  AJ
February 8, 2022 3:13 pm

Yeah AJ I’m not sure on Vaids either but I found the difference between the two search engines results to be enlightening. As for not getting old, so far the only known way to extend life is through caloric restriction. There are some good books and YouTube programs about it. It appears that caloric restriction slows the aging process. So if you can put up with being hungry all the time you might live a decade longer than you might have otherwise. Start in your twenties and your potentially talking several decades if experiments on monkeys are anything to go by.

lidiaseventeen
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 24, 2022 3:14 pm

I think they simply do not care. We’re at Solzhenitsyn’s “We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”

Brian
Brian
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 8, 2022 7:51 pm

Here is something astounding. Are these folks a “front group” manned by bots? This is utterly nonsensical. Machine-gun tweets aimed at some bizarre inversion of reality.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CdnHumanRights/status/1491141716992135169

Here is a video that literally made me weep:

The Last to Leave Ottawa – Romanian Trucker Speaks Out – Feb 6, 2022 (9:03)
(Scroll to embedded video)

https://strongandfreecanada.org/partner-video/the-last-to-leave-ottawa-romanian-trucker-speaks-out-feb-6-2022/

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 11, 2022 7:50 pm

Welcome to the Woke Industrial Complex.

Re: Bret – Yes, it was not about justice or mutual accommodation, it was about seizing POWER. Heady stuff. Probably wise not to expect better from a bunch of hierarchical apes.

Mandrake
Mandrake
February 7, 2022 6:04 pm

So I was listening to Soundscapes on TV and this little gem of a quote appeared.

“There is but one cause of human failure. And that is man’s lack of faith in his true Self.” William James

I am not sure where this precious little nugget of so called wisdom ranks in the hit parade of stupid and demonstrably false BS quotes – maybe between “That which does not kill you makes you stronger” and “Failure is impossible “ Susan B Anthony.

Brian
Brian
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 7, 2022 5:56 pm

Funny that this comment would arrive in my inbox just as I’m watching this:

Dump Davos #1: Data Colonialism & Hackable Humans January 29th, 2021 (2:26:58)

https://odysee.com/@UnlimitedHangout:a/Yuval-Noah-Harari-Davos-2020:c

(In this video series investigating the people and agendas of the World Economic Forum, Whitney Webb and Johnny Vedmore analyze a recent speech given at Davos by Israeli “futurist” historian Yuval Noah Harari that exposes the WEF’s agenda for the “useless class”, the rise of exploited data colonies and the creation of an internal and external surveillance state.)

recent article by Mr. Schwab hisself:

This is what Governance 4.0 could look like to enable change | World Economic Forum
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/01/this-is-what-governance-4-0-could-look-like/

How deep, exactly, does this rabbit hole go?

required
required
February 7, 2022 9:35 am
AJ
AJ
February 5, 2022 1:28 pm

Interesting article over on Peak Prosperity by a Canadian. If you read the whole thing he had some insight into the “poll” numbers and public opinion in Canada (by corollary also the U.S.). It appears that their is a significant chance that opinion is being manipulated against the truckers by a group inside/outside the government to conform to their narrative (that the truckers are bad). Propaganda and manipulation is what western liberal governments have turned to. It portends badly when the shit really hits the fan, i.e. economic collapse/food scarcity/war.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/cold-comfort-the-discussion-we-need-to-have/
AJ

Brian
Brian
Reply to  AJ
February 5, 2022 1:38 pm

Apropos to your comment AJ see these links and sniff around “Policy Horizons Canada”. I could not make this stuff up:

https://horizons.gc.ca/en/2017/07/03/behavioural-insight-brief-the-role-of-narrative-in-public-policy/

https://horizons.gc.ca/en/2013/10/01/agile-policy-on-complex-terrains-nudge-or-nuzzle/

https://horizons.gc.ca/en/our-work/bi-in-brief/

Scroll to the bottom of the page of that last link and look at the “Tags”. Human augmentation? Gig economy? Internet of Things? Telepresence? Virtual Reality?

What “future” do they envision for us little maze rats?

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Brian
February 5, 2022 3:09 pm

Brian,
Read those links you posted. I was shocked that they were on a government site. The hubris of the bureaucracy is mind boggling. I took a couple of years of psych as and undergrad but they have come a long way since Skinner (behaviorism).
These bureaucrats see no problem with manipulating the populace for whatever their masters (politicians and the elites that own them) require. They must have studied 1984 and Brave New World to get their playbook.
Yeah, and I’m sure they see most of their constituents as maze rats.
AJ

Brian
Brian
Reply to  AJ
February 6, 2022 6:01 pm

Just learned that Ottawa “Law Enforcement” is finally going full-on Darth Vader. This is tragic and underscores that there are forces at work here that will not relent. The synchronous global brutality is chilling and should be raising alarm bells everywhere. Wasn’t this supposed to be about “Public Health”?

Look, just look: https://t.me/s/TheMarieOakes

required
required
Reply to  AJ
February 7, 2022 9:31 am

“Propaganda and manipulation is what western liberal governments have turned to.”

It was always like that. I think it was Noam Chomsky who said that in a dictatorship you can just beat people on the head if the do the wrong thing (i.e. against the regime). That’s not possible in a liberal democracy so the elite has to control what the common people think which might be less violent but is it any better?

lidiaseventeen
Reply to  required
February 24, 2022 3:07 pm

Chomsky would prefer that the unjabbed to die in their apartments of starvation. He’s 100% onboard with the current media messaging.

MickN
MickN
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 7, 2022 9:36 am
Brian
Brian
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 4, 2022 6:58 pm

They killed the GoFundMe Campaign. Our democracy, “-pseudo” as it was, is fucking over. This is astoundingly depressing in what it signifies. They have succeeded in convincing the clueless and bovine majority “public opinion” that the truckers convoy protest is some kind of “terrorist” entity. And the public have swallowed it. We are beyond fucked in this country….and for that matter globally.

I seriously fear for what comes next.

https://westphaliantimes.com/gofundme-returns-donations-to-freedom-convoy-donors-due-to-law-enforcement-saying-peaceful-demonstration-has-become-an-occupation/

And for the record, I’m sick of msm here in Canada constantly admonishing us that we have no right to compare what is transpiring to any historical precedent. That is Bullshit.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-biological-state-nazi-racial-hygiene-1933-1939

I for one, am not a stupid ungulate.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 5, 2022 12:15 pm

I could not believe what I have read about the move by GoFundMe to cancel the funds for the truckers and their anti-social (or criminal) behaviour afterwards. I am glad that a least the people get their money back.

Perran
Perran
February 4, 2022 12:00 am

I know I’ve shared this link in the comments above but I think it deserves a repeat

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-whistleblowers-share-dod-medical-data-that-blows-vaccine-safety-debate-wide-open

Is this true? Can any body tell me? If this is true it is totally insane. A complete bombshell. Why isn’t this headline news?

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 4:44 pm

Surely a harshly worded letter is more civilized. Let’s not jump the gun and get all Robespierreish here.

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 6:55 pm

How very Hatfield & McCoy of you and here I was thinking you were a man of reason. LOL. That kind of thinking is why the Middle East is so unstable – honor killings, never ending cycles of violence…sometimes it’s just better to put the club down and walk away.

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 4, 2022 10:54 am

I understand harm has occurred and a lot of bad decisions have been made. But more as a result of incompetence, panic, or lack of good information than by design or evil intent. You seem like a compassionate guy, so I’m surprised you would characterize people with whom you disagree as evil or people who deserve to be harmed. I don’t think it’s helpful to demonize the other side as murderers b/c sadly the other side will do that to you & your side and then we all end up in a downward spiral. And if we are indeed hitting energy limits, as I suspect we are, then we need to keep this precarious ship we call civilization and civil society going so we can maybe, just maybe collectively make some positive adjustments.

madbobul
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 7, 2022 6:20 am

It starts looking like a hyperbole… Usually a sign of market frenzy and coming reversal.
But when the crash hits?? Who knows?

I used to believe it all would be ended by 2020. Nowadays I am not so sure… Maybe even next 10 years is possible with usage of differents tricks and cons…

Mandrake
Mandrake
February 2, 2022 7:04 pm

Rob – I would suggest you relax and have a beer to get your mind off COVID, but b/c you’re currently abstaining you might benefit from meditating – there are a lot of wonderful meditation apps out there. Take a deep breath and listen to Calm. It starts with cicadas, ocean waves crashing on the beach…

Comedies are also a nice break. I watched “Seeking a Friend for the End of the World” this weekend and quite enjoyed it.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 12:30 am

Charles Eisenstein suggested in one of his latest essays to have some kind of news fast. From the point of view of mental health, this seems like a good suggestion, but currently the fear of missing out is stronger within me. So I keep on reading everything related to the current panic that gets into my hands, mostly on Substack. I am not sure, whether meditation would help. Maybe I try the discursive meditation as proposed by John Michael Greer on his blog and in his books (The Druidry Handbook, I recommend this even for people that are not into the supernatural stuff). With discursive meditation, you train and reorient the mind instead of shutting it down. This seems more interesting as the vanilla meditation of getting the mind free of thoughts.

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Secretface2097
February 3, 2022 3:51 pm

Secret – Any healthy activity that activates the parasympathetic nervous system has a salubrious effect on the body.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Mandrake
February 4, 2022 12:48 am

I just had a quick look at healthy activities activation the parasympathetic nervous system: reduce stress, meditation, massage, breath work, yoga, nutrition, exercise, osteopathy, enough sleep, talking therapy.
When I look at the list like this, I’m not surprised that I’m pretty mentally exhausted. Stress since Covid is constantly high, this has induced a weight gain due to unhealthy eating and not doing any exercise (I am normally hiking a lot). Maybe it is time to get some of these activities going (again).

Philip Parker
Philip Parker
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 5:05 am

Hi Rob and all, have you seen this latest paper by Bill Rees and Megan Seibert? For guys like us there’s probably not a lot of new info but I think you may find some strong denial in the “rebuttals”. Bill explains things better than most IMO. FYI and FWIW: https://shoutout.wix.com/so/31NwXFHwM?languageTag=en&cid=5b4879fa-5f2c-4025-a335-4e539e97a151#/main

theblondbeast
theblondbeast
Reply to  Philip Parker
February 3, 2022 11:21 am

Thanks! The two big debate techniques I have learned from Rees is that I have to continuously beat the drum on (1) climate change must continually situated in the context of overshoot, and (2) any successful resolution of overshoot would involve both lower population and less consumption.

monkmil
Reply to  theblondbeast
February 3, 2022 11:53 am

It’s funny how they barely even need citations to critique the critics because the “critics” reasoning is so bad. It just continues to astound me how dumb supposedly smart people are about renewables

monkmil
Reply to  monkmil
February 3, 2022 12:11 pm

Also how infuriatingly annoying are most academics today?! So stuck up their own asses they can’t see the wood for the trees

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 7:04 pm

I can see how it might apply to….let’s say, The Propulsion Parameters of Penguin Poop but what about – Can Pigeons tell a Picasso from a Monet? I’m not sure an understanding of thermodynamics is strictly required in the latter case.

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 4, 2022 12:55 am

Anything that reduces the number of PhDs or university graduates in general would be positive from my point of view. As I went through a PhD program myself, I can confirm that this academic rank does not say anything about the quality of the graduate. Even in the natural sciences, there are so many stupid people graduated, that the degree certificates aren´t worth the paper they are printed on.

As a side effect, we wouldn´t have the problem of having too few skilled workers (e.g. caregivers, craftsmen,etc).

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Secretface2097
February 4, 2022 9:46 am

“The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power”

It takes years of tireless dedication to write this way so let’s not be hasty in our judgements Secret lest we be accused of being anti-intellectual or worse.

monkmil
Reply to  Mandrake
February 20, 2022 4:30 pm
Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 4:32 pm

Christ mate – I hope that at least you threw all your Twinkies out, expired or not.

Brian
Brian
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 2, 2022 1:04 pm

Rob: with all due respect, perhaps you’re being too “rational” about this? If you keep pursuing that path, you will find no “rational” explanation for what is going on. It does not fall under the rubric of rationality. Do you not understand the nature of evil? It rises up from time to time throughout history, and leaves senseless damage in its wake. Let yourself go there. I say this sincerely and with the best of intentions.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-propaganda-and-censorship

Dr Mel Bruchet & Dr Daniel Nagase on Using Medical Imprisonment to Silence Doctors Published January 3, 2022

https://rumble.com/vrvffz-dr-mel-bruchet-and-dr-daniel-nagase-on-using-medical-imprisonment-to-silenc.html

Listened to CBC lately? Read anything from TorStar?

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 12:19 am

From my point of view, this is definitely a possibility. But how does a country like Sweden fit into this with their much less restricted policies? Maybe they didn´t need that much bullying and coercion to get the Covid vaccines due to a high trust in the government (even though it seems that this is also eroding due to other problems in Sweden, e.g. gang warfare).

And if this is a degrowth plan, shouldn´t we be supportive, even though it seems pretty stupid?

el mar
el mar
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 6:51 am

The Great Reset
Why we should be worried of the agenda pushed by the WEF.

https://mtmalinen.substack.com/p/the-great-reset

Tuomas Malinen
Let’s be honest. A year ago, I would not have written this piece.

However, during the past year, I have come to the realization that something could be seriously wrong in the way most of us see the world. The often disproportionate corona-fighting measures, like lockdowns, c-passes and mandatory vaccinations, led me to question the “sincerity” of our political leaders.

Moreover, the wide-spread use of these measures led me to question our democratic processes. I started to wonder, whether our politicians were guided/manipulated from some central-source?

Such a scenario naturally also possesses massive and partly invisible economic and financial risks. If we are being led into a centrally-controlled economic system, it would be a major threat to the income of investors, banks and households. This led us to study the issue deeper and publish our findings in a special report late December.

To extend our analysis, I also started to give online-lectures on the Great Reset -agenda (giving lectures is the best way to learn). Lectures also made it possible for me to concentrate fully on studying the issue. Lecture material is currently available only in Finnish, but we will publish it in English during the Spring.

In this piece, I present a summary of our/my findings.

What is the ‘Great Reset’?
In the blog accompanying the report, we detail the main buildings blocks of the Great Reset. They are:

Governments would steer the market towards “fairer outcomes” using taxation, regulatory and fiscal policies, including wealth taxes and removal of fossil-fuel subsidies, and impose a new set of rules governing intellectual property, trade and competition.

Ensure that investments advance “shared goals”, like equitability and sustainability, through government led large-scale investment programs, like the Recovery Fund of the EU (and the infrastructure bill of the U.S.).

To “harness” the innovations of the so called Fourth Industrial Revolution to address health and social challenges.

These naturally sound all nice and ‘“fluffy”, but, unsurprisingly, the ‘devil’ is in the details.

On markets, intellectual property and “dystopia”
The first idea of steering the market is decades—if not centuries—old. Many think that “markets” are something we need to have control over. This view lacks the understanding that we are the markets. We, the people, set the prices and steer the allocation of capital. Governments are rarely good investors, especially when they are driven by universal agendas, like “fairness” (see below).

The GR agenda also does not clearly state what the new rules concerning intellectual property, trade or competition should be. This vagueness in action-statements, which surrounds the GR agenda, is always a big risk, as they may be filled with covert, competing, and sometimes highly destructive political agendas.

The vagueness becomes even more pressing when one considers the overall aims of the GR program. As it aims to promote the political and regulatory reach of big corporations, shouldn’t we assume that the issues concerning intellectual property and trade would be aimed towards that also? This could mean, e.g., that regulatory hurdles could be constructed to prevent SMEs from participating in global trade.With competition the issue becomes even more worrying, if laws were put in place that, for example, erode patent and/or privacy protection.

A similarly worrying picture emerges when we consider the privacy aspects. In their book (p. 68), Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret conclude that “dystopian scenarios are not a fatality”. This is a disturbing statement, as it basically opens the door for, for example, the creation of a techno-totalitarian state.

Governments steering investments? A bad idea.
The idea that governments or intra-national bodies should ensure that investments advance ‘shared goals’ (whatever they are), is a dangerous one.

It’s very well known that government investments are often wasteful and what’s even more damaging is that policians rarely can admit defeat but continue on the chose path, regardless how destructive it is, to “safe face”. Sure governments can handle simple infrastucture projects, like building railroads, but letting them to set the path to future, is like blind ideological man leading the blind.

It is well-documented that, for example, the investment programs run by the EU have been very inefficient. This applies to many ‘green revolution’ programs run across the globe (see, e.g. this, this and this)

Also, somewhat strangely, the International Monetary Fund, or “IMF”, has started to support the government-run investment agenda, against which it has argued for decades. From the very start, in 1952, the main aim of the emergency assistance programs the IMF grants to countries has been to remove inefficient government subsidies (see, e.g. this). Now they are advocating for them. I would like to know why?

“Stakeholder capitalism” or new form of fascism?
At the heart of the publicly-stated objectives of GR is something called ‘stakeholder capitalism’. The principle is that corporations would be required to balance, or to be accountable for, the costs and benefits they produce for society. Deeper analysis revealts the massive risks and the likely aim of this policy.

The breadth of the proposed co-operation, published in 2010, is breath-taking. The initiatives of the WEF would practically bring every area of human existence under global governance, which is, essentially, what we are talking about: the formation of a global government. Thus, the idea of “stakeholder” capitalism is that corporations would become bigger players in an even bigger, and more intrusive global decision-making system. Governments and customers (and stockholders) would be just ‘stakeholders’.

While some authors consider that ‘stakeholder capitalism’ would lead to world over-run by big corporations, they tend to forget the role of governments and multinational institutions in governance and regulation. While big firms can lobby governments and authorities, the latter still hold the upper hand, at least as long they have the control over legislation and the institutions upholding the rule-of-law.

Alas, the true worry here is that ‘stakeholder capitalism’ is just a fancy name for the alliance of big corporations and governments, known in the past as fascism.

Where are we heading?
The Great Reset is about extended global co-operation enacted by increasing the role of big corporations and governments. This plan, driven by the World Economic Forum, or WEF, has an extremely worrying historical context, as it has been used previously, e.g., by several highly suppressive regimes.

The influence the WEF can have on our political leaders should worry us all. For example, the Young Global Leaders -program, which includes for example Finnish PM Sanna Marin, may seriously distort the sovereign democratic decision making.

This is the true threat of Great Reset. Such initiatives can, and probably will, take decision-making to a global level into undemocratic and often opaque institutions. They are, quite simply, direct threat to democratic processes and decision-making. They threaten, or have already taken, the true power from citizens to ‘halls’ of supranational entities. So, the way we are heading, is truly worrisome.

To note. Klaus Scwab and Thierry Malleret have recently published a new book: The Great Narrative, where they argue that it shows what the way forward could be, and what the role of cooperation, innovation, morality, public policies and business can be. I have not read the book, yet, but it’s a great media move to change the title from something that has become rather ‘stained’ to something neutral. In any case, I believe that the book will, through expert interviews, lay a similar dystopian path for the world, than what Great Reset did.

In the December report, we envisaged three scenarios where the Great Reset -agenda could lead us. I’ll return to them in my next post.

Shawn
Shawn
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 3, 2022 11:54 am

The elites (for example, Leadership and Governance | World Economic Forum (weforum.org), Young Global Leaders – Wikipedia et. al.) certainly have some plans about the future. Homepage | UN Global Compact I suspect their belief that they can shape the future will prove to be hubris when we enter the period of fossil fuel energy descent. The geologic forces of resource depletion, climate change, environmental destruction and the human animal instinct for survival will hold sway.

But maybe it possible that even as we begin the energy descent, for a period of 10-20 years the electric and communications grid will be sufficiently stable to support a fascist digital technocracy that can maintain some semblance of social and economic order.

Who can really say? Maybe those truckers, angered because there is no diesel fuel for their trucks, will rise up in protest again against some other mis-guided government overreach. Or maybe they will be leading the marches on citizens who are not complying with the techno fascist government mandates. We shall see.

I bought groceries today, I swear the prices were 5% more than last month.

Brian
Brian
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 4, 2022 6:46 am

Rob: Please read this blog. You will find it illuminating, I am certain.

The Reformed Physicist : Musings of a Federal Data Scientist
https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/

Secretface2097
Secretface2097
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 2, 2022 2:34 am

Great video by JP. I especially enjoyed the recording of the woman who tells the prime minister to his face that as a traitor he should be hung.

Perran
Perran
January 31, 2022 2:19 pm

https://thinkingispower.com/the-person-who-lies-to-you-the-most-is-you/

I just stumbled across this website curtsy of Mike Stasse. Worth a peruse if you’ve got some spare time.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Perran
February 1, 2022 5:06 am

Interesting article. Since we can be fooled by our own desire to avoid cognitive dissonance we have to put our (and everyone else’s) “rationality” to the test. To avoid confirmation bias and so called “pruning the hedge” of our hypothesis we need to use Science to test our evidence. And not just Science as too many practice it (which is confirmation bias and pruning the hedge). We have to vigorously attempt to falsify our hypotheses (thanks Karl Popper). Doing that we can arrive at closer approximations of the truth (uncomfortable as they may be).
I think our civilization is in terminal overshoot and we may go extinct. I would prefer that wasn’t the case, but most of my fellow “homo sapiens” seem to not believe we have a problem. I could be wrong but all arguments to the contrary appear to be based on denial or optimism bias. And evidence to the contrary appears non-existent. I could be wrong – show me where?
AJ

jim
jim
Reply to  AJ
February 1, 2022 1:18 pm

nah
Human beings like all biologically evolved organisms are incapable of perceiving reality (knowing the Truth). All we have access to are small streams of information from the outside world filtered through our evolved sensory organs. Our sensory organs evolved to help us reproduce, not to accurately perceive the world.

So we are stuck with ideas that are more or less useful, under particular sets of conditions, for getting useful answers to some types of questions.

we don’t so much deny reality as we deny our representations of reality.

And none of that changes that we are deep denial about the ecological overshoot of modern civilization..

AJ
AJ
Reply to  jim
February 2, 2022 12:43 pm

I find your response interesting in that I agree with some of it’s slant but think it is a non sequitur to the article that I was commenting on. Did you read the article? It was about motivated reasoning and confirmation bias and how that is used by people(including some scientists) to get rid of evidence that would otherwise cause Cognitive Dissonance. I was agreeing with that theory of mind but stating that I thought rational scientific testing, with attempted falsification, tied to empirical evidence had the best chance at allowing us to get to reality (scientific laws and explanations about how the universe works).
I would agree that we only see a slice of that reality – (can a human mind comprehend what came before the Big Bang? the entropy death of the universe? quantum mechanics? the duality of electromagnetic wave v. quanta nature of photons?). I also believe that such problems are solvable/knowable (perhaps not by human minds?). Our sense organs and all of our facilities for perception evolved to provide us with sufficient knowledge of reality to avoid immediate death and then to have the best chance to pass on genes. If we didn’t know something of reality (arguably more than a small stream of information) we would not have evolved. And our brain evolved to figure out complex small group relationships so as to pass on our own and that group’s genes. But, such a brain can be used for other purposes (such as figuring out reality via rationalism and science). Without science and rationalism there is no way of knowing reality; any other way of knowing is entirely subjective (and idiosyncratic nonsense).
Yes, and none of this stops denial of/and overshoot.
AJ

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  jim
February 2, 2022 6:35 pm

I could be wrong but I’m guessing you’ve read Hoffman’s “The Case Against Reality.” I highly recommend it.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Mandrake
February 3, 2022 12:44 pm

I have not read it, but on your recommendation I put a request in at the Library.
AJ

Mandrake
Mandrake
Reply to  Perran
February 2, 2022 6:47 pm

Those who show intellectual humility and meta cognition generally make for good reasonable company. Dogma is for dogs.