What are our leaders doing?

What force is powerful enough to synchronize every leader in almost every country to do the wrong thing on almost every covid action without assuming every leader is evil and/or stupid?

Why has no one figured out what’s going on, including normally intelligent alt-media?

Let’s assume that most of our leaders are normal people, of average intelligence, with good intentions, and they care about the future of their children.

By normal I mean they are decent people with flaws, just like you and I.

By average intelligence I mean they probably have some high school level science, have read a few popular books, and maybe watched a few documentaries, but are not well grounded in the laws of physics, and their mathematics skills are modest at best. Like most people, they do not have a good understanding of energy and its relationship with everything, nor do they have a good grasp of what is technically feasible.

By good intentions I mean they want to do a good job for the people that elected them, while of course making a living, and perhaps providing some extras for their family if a benign opportunity arises, just as you or I would.

By caring about their children I mean they are genuinely worried about:

  • The threat of an economic crash caused by unsustainable debt and its associated everything bubble that is now flashing red and impossible to ignore.
  • The reality and threat of climate change that is now obvious to anyone that has been alive for more than a few decades.
  • Limits to growth. Our leader’s understanding of energy depletion is probably a mixed bag, as it is with our next door neighbors. Most leaders probably understand that fossil energy growth is no longer desirable, some may understand that fossil energy growth is no longer possible, most probably still hope the green energy story is true but are getting worried it may be false, and a tiny minority may understand the reality of peak oil and its implications.

Overlaying all of the above, our leaders, like most humans, have a genetic tendency to deny unpleasant realities, which manifests as an optimism bias, and an inability to grasp the reality and implications of human overshoot. We can be fairly certain that none of our leaders have defective denial genes, which would permit them to see overshoot, because that would have prevented them from winning their election.

Given these assumptions about our leaders, which are probably true, what would we expect them to do?

Let’s start with what they’ve done to date:

  • Increased the debt and lowered the interest rate to buy time for someone to think of something.
  • Signed free trade agreements to squeeze more efficiency out of the global economy.
  • Subsidized surplus corn to stretch gasoline with ethanol.
  • Subsidized green energy and electric cars in the hope it would reduce fossil energy use. They don’t understand why, but they can see this strategy is not helping.
  • Invested a lot of money into nuclear fusion returning zero prospects of success.
  • Agreed with good intentions to many climate change protocols and subsequently learned it is impossible to fulfill those agreements without damaging the economy.
  • Continued heavy military spending, just in case.

I expect our leaders now understand that:

  • We are between a rock and a hard place. They don’t fully understand why we have reached limits to growth, nor can they due to their normal denial genes, but they do understand something must change soon.
  • Debt is a bomb waiting to explode. They can see the end of the runway with rising inflation.
  • Climate change is a really nasty problem. Consumption must go down, but that will crash the economy. Even with CO2 reductions, it’s too late to avoid refugees and starvation.
  • Avoiding damaging social unrest, and mitigating/reducing the coming suffering will require sacrifice and sharing between countries, which will require some form of global cooperation with tight control over citizens.

Those of us that have paid attention and not listened to the official narrative know that nothing about covid makes sense. To be blunt, almost every action and policy has been wrong, in almost every country, and all of our leaders are synchronized, including their political opposition, almost without exception. How can this be? It’s simply not possible that all of our leaders are evil and/or stupid.

What force is powerful enough to have caused a diverse group of big ego leaders from many countries to cooperate on a secret plan that no one discusses? What force is powerful enough to have caused them to do things that under normal circumstances would have been blocked by their good ethics and character?

We know the various central banks have been working as a team since at least the 2008 GFC to keep the global wheels on. Recall that in the 2008 aftermath it was disclosed that we were hours away from a collapse of the banking system had the US congress not approved the bailout. The stresses and pressures in the system today are MUCH higher than they were in 2008 because we fixed a too much debt problem by adding a lot more debt.

In 2019 something in the global plumbing was beginning to break and it came to a head in September with a crisis in the repo market. The central banks together decided what needed to be done and the head of each central bank sat down with the leader of their country and spelled out the reality that an imminent “recession”, if not averted, would likely take out modern civilization due to the global debt bubble and lack of growth.

I imagine they said something like, “we need an excuse to print a gazillion dollars, and we’re going to need a digital currency soon that restricts many freedoms, and we might fail so you should think about a plan B for controlling social unrest. We think a not so serious global pandemic exaggerated into a panic is the perfect cover to accomplish all of this.”

No other force is powerful enough to explain the behavior we observe. It explains everything, including why no one talks about it, because if they did it would cause panic in the markets, which would harm themselves and their children. This also thankfully means we can continue to assume that most (not all) of our leaders are decent people like you and I.

The covid pandemic provided:

  • A reason for everyone from all political persuasions to support printing and handing out trillions of dollars to avoid a “recession”.
  • A means via lockdowns of reducing energy and materials consumption, and restricting freedom of movement and assembly, that can be invoked as needed without causing the panic that disclosing the end of growth would cause.
  • A reason for creating the infrastructure and social behaviors necessary for a digital currency via vaccine passports. A digital currency will be very helpful for implementing negative interest rates needed to avoid a Minsky Moment, and for rationing food and energy, and for preventing bank runs. The path they chose was to require all citizens to be injected with a substance and to carry proof via a vaccine passport. I expect they hoped the injected substance would be harmless with some tangible benefit but it appears their hopes have been dashed by Murphy’s Law and inadequate time for testing.
  • Most powerful countries agreed to this plan. The US, EU, Japan, Canada, and Australia are all on board. As is China who engineered the virus with funding from the US, and which influenced the WHO to ensure global spread of the virus in the early days.
  • Russia refused to join the plan, perhaps after calculating that with its healthy ratio of natural resources to population, modest debt, food self-sufficiency, and citizens capable of enduring some hardship, they will be better off charting an independent path.
  • The collaborating leaders viscerally hate Putin for not being a team player and are attempting to cause a regime change in Russia by provoking Russia into an expensive war and by applying economic sanctions. As with covid, it seems this plan is failing so we should expect a Plan B soon.
  • A new repo crisis began in 2022 and so Monkeypox was introduced just in case another pandemic is required to get the financial system under control.

Finally, we can now answer another burning question:

  • Why has no one figured out what’s going on, including normally intelligent alt-media?
  • Because to understand requires acceptance of the end of growth and overshoot, and that’s not possible for most people due to our species’ tendency to deny unpleasant realities as explained by Varki’s MORT theory.
  • For those that don’t believe the official covid narrative, it’s ok to blame corrupt pharma, or a scheming WEF, but it’s not ok to blame overshoot.

Let’s hope Plan B does not involve nuclear weapons but does have something to do with humane population reduction.

573 thoughts on “What are our leaders doing?”

  1. A recent comment from Gaia Gardener inspired this post so I’m copying it here for better visibility.

    I’ve been asking myself the same question for many moons now and the only answer I keep coming back to that even remotely makes the slightest sense is that the global theatre is unfolding according to a long determined script, and whatever is happening now is what is in the playbook, within certain variables of parameters.

    For some interesting reason, and maybe this is part of the “fair” play stipulation, the powers that be (for lack of a better term) have “hidden” their agenda out in the open for anyone who has eyes and ears to see and listen. The WEF, Event 201, and the Monkeypox simulation, as well as all the inconsistencies with the Covid narrative that are coming to light but were always there to find–it’s like “we told you so, and you had a chance to be prepared, don’t say we didn’t warn you”.

    Economic collapse and population reduction are twin pillars to support the ushering in of the New World Order–the ensuing panic and chaos will leave most of the world left standing begging for a saviour government, just for the chance for survival. It’s all happened before, just a matter of scale.

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  2. Au contraire, Plan B is not Monkey Pox. It’s Laughing Sickness and it is highly infectious, having an Ro value of 5.7. It’s zoonotic, having jumped from an original reservoir of hyenas to Meerkat to humans. The first reported case was diagnosed on the cruise ship The Bored Panda. The most salient symptom is hysterical uncontrollable laughter, doubling over, stomach cramps and frothing at the mouth. Apparently the infected laugh so hard they damage their intercostals. The most severely infected develop inguinal hernias. The CDC said it is aware of 700 confirmed cases. No deaths have been reported so far. The CDC is investigating Laughing Sickness clusters and are working on a vaccine.

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    1. Laughing sickness (aka Kuru) is spread by cannibalism. Our leaders have a ironic sense of humor. What a way to go.


      Kuru is a rare, incurable, and fatal neurodegenerative disorder that was formerly common among the Fore people of Papua New Guinea. Kuru is a form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) caused by the transmission of abnormally folded proteins (prions), which leads to symptoms such as tremors and loss of coordination from neurodegeneration.

      The term kuru derives from the Fore word kuria or guria (“to shake”),[2] due to the body tremors that are a classic symptom of the disease. Kúru itself means “trembling”.[3] It is also known as the “laughing sickness” due to the pathologic bursts of laughter which are a symptom of the disease. It is now widely accepted that kuru was transmitted among members of the Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea via funerary cannibalism. Deceased family members were traditionally cooked and eaten, which was thought to help free the spirit of the dead.[4] Women and children usually consumed the brain, the organ in which infectious prions were most concentrated, thus allowing for transmission of kuru. The disease was therefore more prevalent among women and children.

      The epidemic likely started when a villager developed sporadic Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease and died. When villagers ate the brain, they contracted the disease, and it was then spread to other villagers who ate their infected brains.[5]

      While the Fore people stopped consuming human meat in the early 1960s, when it was first speculated to be transmitted via endocannibalism, the disease lingered due to kuru’s long incubation period of anywhere from 10 to over 50 years.[6] The epidemic finally declined sharply after half a century, from 200 deaths per year in 1957 to no deaths from at least 2010 onwards, with sources disagreeing on whether the last known kuru victim died in 2005 or 2009.

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          1. Individuals and cultures regularly classify foods as undesirable with no thought to their objective nutritional value. For instance, many people discard apple peels despite the skins having the most vitamins and antioxidants. Preferences as to what are considered “desirable” are not always logical.

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      1. I remember reading about Kuru in either Guns, Germs and Steel by Jarrod Diamond or The Future Eaters by Tim Flannery. Can’t remember which one as I read them both over a decade ago but the subject was disturbing enough for me to remember all these years later. Both are superb books by the way if you haven’t read them. In fact they both should be mandatory reading in late high school as far as I’m concerned.
        I bought a kindle a few years ago. It’s good because I can buy books cheaper but I’ve realised that some important books I’ve bought over the last few years (Denial by Varki being one) will be lost when my kindle eventually shits itself. I’m currently debating about whether I should rebuy some of my kindle editions in paperback. Some of them are no longer in print though and I baulk at having to pay 50 bucks for second hand edition.


        1. Guns, Germs and Steel is a great book. I think I’ve read it 3 times.

          I have not read Future Eaters and I can’t find it in digital form.

          I’ve gone the opposite direction to you. I maintain several fully redundant computers and I have a cache of spare parts to keep me going until I’m dead.

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          1. I’ve been slowly collecting second hand reference books. I don’t use them a lot (because I google everything). But I figured they would be helpful for future generations. I have all sorts including botany, farming, medicine, beer and wine, music, gardening, herbablism.

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            1. You’re an Ark! Thanks monk! And just like the monks of Ireland who saved civilization (or so we’re told here in the Western world)! I, too, think books will be the new toilet paper of the near future (no, no, I don’t mean to be used as toilet paper, I mean hoarding of!). I’ve been keeping books of various topics, too, in both locations. In addition, I’ve collected art books, world philosophy and religion, and history, one of my prizes is the complete Durant The Story of Civilization in 12 volumes. I have books on the rudiments of sailing (and important knots to know). I have an extensive cookbook collection, specializing in cuisine of different countries. I’ve saved my high school calculus textbook and university physics and organic chemistry (ugh, that subject almost prevented me getting into med school, I got my first C grade in my life!) If nothing else, they make good insulation along the walls. Seriously, it will be a great consolation even for ourselves to be able to delve into the collected knowledge and achievements of humanity by candle flame when the lights go out.

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                1. OMG. I did hope something like this would exist but until today I did not look to find it, so thank you again, monk! But still we need to curate physical books, that’s one of my missions. I am finding I don’t have enough hours in the day to read and listen to everything I want, in addition to doing all the stuff I need to do to make myself still useful on this planet. Of course it really doesn’t help that I am now addicted (in the best possible way) to sitting down of an evening after every else is tucked away to read and post on Rob’s site!!! But oh how much I have learned, and most of all, how grateful to find a little band of near infinite solution space friends. Thanks for being here, everyone!

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    2. Hi Mandrake, well at least you have chosen as your moniker the cure for these convulsions and probably anything else that comes our way. On the other hand, mandrake was mentioned in the Bible (so it must be true) to increase fertility, so on second thought, maybe that’s not the cure-all at the moment.


      1. Ya got me figured out…just don’t try and repot me. Or if you do make sure to put on some ear muffs.

        ps it just so happens I’m also a huge fan of Stanley Kubrick.

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  3. Damn, the news we are fed is tightly scripted.

    Every morning while laying in bed I listen on my smart speaker to news feeds from Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC, CTV, and Wall Street Journal.

    Today they all ran the same headline story with the same somber sad tone about Russia causing widespread starvation by blocking grain shipments from Ukraine.

    Even Al Jazeera is synchronized now. It was the last mainstream news source I trusted.

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    1. Yeah the MSM news is a sad state of affairs. I also used to read The Guardian and Al Jazeera – both have just become mainstream propaganda. I now take a little bit of Reuters and RT or Sputnik to balance. It’s terrible when I think that RT or Sputnik are more truthful than Reuters. One just has to read everything that’s published and look between the lines.

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    2. The UN has requested that Russia allow the grain shipments to go through. The Russians have agreed to provide a corridor for safe passage of those ships. They have not done so yet (as of yesterday anyway) so of course the big media outlets are criticizing Russia.

      These is also a good amount of OSINT on the World Wide Web to verify news accounts.

      Janes Intelligence is a source you might want to check out.


      Janes delivers persistent monitoring of Russian troop and equipment sightings that connects the unit from the ORBAT, location, source data, exercise and mission (where relevant known), equipment with associated numbers, vessel ID, tail numbers, ground vehicle markings and estimated sighting date.


      1. Thanks. I wish the UN would do something useful like tell countries to get their populations down to a level that they can feed themselves. It’s a really really bad idea to be dependent on food imports when energy is in decline.

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  4. I so love calm intelligent discussion by wise people about important topics.

    I listened to this interview from yesterday for the 2nd time on my walk today. It’s really good so I’m reposting in case you missed it the first time.

    I wish there was some way I could get a respected mind like Dr. Weinstein to see the explanatory power of Varki’s MORT.

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    1. I sent Dr. Weinstein the following email today:

      Hello Dr. Weinstein,

      I’m a long time fan and have read your new book twice. I’m a 64 year old retired electrical engineer with an M.A.Sc. that specialized in operating system design.

      I agree with your view of the world but think you may be missing an important piece of the evolutionary puzzle that has great explanatory power for the insanity that you and other aware people are trying to make sense of.

      It’s a theory by Dr. Ajit Varki called Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) that says humans exist with their uniquely powerful brains because we simultaneously evolved an extended theory mind with a tendency to deny unpleasant realities about 200,000 years ago when behaviorally modern humans emerged with a bang and out-competed all other hominids.

      Here is a paper by Dr. Varki explaining the theory:

      Here is video by Dr. Varki:

      Here is my summary spin on the theory:

      Theory (short)

      Here is my hypothesis of how it explains what’s going on with covid, monkeypox, and Russia:

      What are our leaders doing?

      Keep up the good work,

      Rob Mielcarski

      P.S. Loved your interview with Neil Oliver. It really spoke to my heart.

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    2. Rob,
      Thanks for the repost. I don’t have the time to watch everything that is put up – with spring planting, etc.- but when you post something again, I try when I have the time (raining again!!!) to listen. Even though I have listened to Bret before this was good. The Covid stuff was not so much new and his/and Niel’s disappointment in the way the establishment handled it is not a surprise. I sometimes wonder if they ever read Kafka (The Trial, The Castle) or Dostoyevsky? The elite’s response to Covid is not a surprise, the only surprise is how easily the watchdogs (Journalism as the 4th Estate) were corrupted and Science rolled over to do it’s corporate overlord’s bidding (Nazi Germany any reminder?). I loved their discussion of the Lascaux cave art and its meaning. The disappointing thing about Bret is that on some level he understands Overshoot but denies its immediacy (100 – 200 year from now??)
      I’m not sure that Bret understands the immediacy of our predicament – as you pointed out all of our leaders are either ignorant or in denial. I think Bret is just into denial (he has kids and that makes the dilemma of the future that much more existential).

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      1. I have not read Kafka or Dostoyevsky. Is there an obvious place to start? Be advised that if it reads like poetry I won’t make it past the introduction. I don’t have time for authors that are deliberately obtuse to make themselves seem more important.


        1. Dostoyevsky didn’t live in a protected bubble the way we pampered do. He endured epilepsy and Siberian prison, so he had a few things to say about life.

          I’ve read most of the books mentioned on this blog through the years, and I appreciate your recommendation concerning Varki, Rob, but I’m not interested anymore in how we became us. We’re self-absorbed parasites, and that will never change.

          I’m in a good mood today and will go help the feral-cat folks diminish a little suffering. Here’s a quote from Anton Chekhov, presumably in a bad/realistic frame of mind, which makes me happy:

          “And I despise your books, I despise wisdom and the blessings of this world. It is all worthless, fleeting, illusory, and deceptive, like a mirage. You may be proud, wise, and fine, but death will wipe you off the face of the earth as though you were no more than mice burrowing under the floor, and your posterity, your history, your immortal geniuses will burn or freeze together with the earthly globe.”


            1. I never begrudge why-humans like you, Rob. I used to be one too but have now grown tired. I’ve now settled into a comfortable pessimism, with some days more filled with forgiveness for our activities than others. After all, we were just hurled here without an instruction manual. Of course we would use our big brains to make our lives more comfortably bearable. What else were we supposed to do?!

              “On reflection I realized that I was in exactly the same predicament as every other human being alive: We don’t know who we are or where we came from or why we are here.”
              –Robert A. Heinlein, 1984. “JOB: A Comedy of Justice,” p. 48.

              Ah, the feral-cat folks . . . We trap, neuter, and find homes for some of the street kitties. It won’t change the world, but it matters to them.

              And please continue doing your “why” business, Rob. Your impressive intellect, genuine caring, and sheer honesty make this the best doomer spot I’ve encountered. I’ve learned a lot from you and your commenters.

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          1. …or a less grouchy way of putting it

            “As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field so he flourisheth.

            “For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more”

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            1. Hi Mandrake, thank you for that Psalm verse, whatever one thinks of the King James bible, the language is pure poetry (maybe that Rob can cope with in small amounts!) That passage has especial meaning for me as one of my favourite classical works is Brahms’ German Requiem and for those who know it you will know what I mean. It is one of those outpourings from mankind that gives me pause when I ask “Was it all (the suffering, injustice, planetary destruction) worth it?” In this amazing life I had the opportunity to sing in an orchestra chorus for some years and I will never forget the privilege of performing this masterpiece. Given the world situation, perhaps it is fitting now to revisit the many Requiem masses (Faure and Mozart’s are also divine), it could be our civilizations’ ending we are honouring.


              1. Thank you for sharing something so personal Gaia. Singing with an orchestral chorus is impressive! What an experience. Sharing music is a wonderful thing, whether around a campfire, a pub or an opera house.

                I’ve been on a Hans Zimmer kick lately and happened on a video of his creation of the Dune score. Thought you might be interested.

                He and the musicians he worked with nailed the sounds of an alien world and invited the audience on a dark mysterious journey. In the video, he and his collaborators talk about how they invented exotic sounds, modifying instruments to create sounds that don’t exist. He worked with a cellist to create the call of a Tibetan war horn. And the vocals were mind blowing, the power of the human voice was used to great effect – the rhythmic vocalist L. Colter and her banshee scream…wow, and then there were the bagpipes and the Deduk flute made to sound like a wind whistling through the desert….it’s all so marvelous. I hope you’ll take a listen.


                1. Wow, Mandrake, that was a visual and aural treat, thank you so much! There’s something magical about actually seeing how the sound is produced, total sensory augmentation, I suppose that’s one of the special things about live music, there’s an even more visceral connection between performer and audience. I really enjoyed that mini doc, I, too, am a fan of Hans Zimmer (but I haven’t seen the latest Dune movie) and this is actually the first time I’ve seen him describe how he crafts his film scores, just awesome how he blends technology and traditional musical instruments, drawing out sounds never before created. It’s really the music that generates so much of the emotion in movies, and I deem the best of the movie scores to be amongst the magnum opuses by any composer. Methinks you are a movie buff and I am so glad you have been living in an age where we can enjoy the best of all film history, encompassing all genres. In a previous life (we all have lots of them) I transferred to the University of Southern California to finish my undergraduate study in Gerontology, and you would know that institution is well-known for its film studies, being in Los Angeles. I had the enjoyment of taking their famous film 101 course with over 400 students in the auditorium, it was my break from the usual pre-med classes to be able to watch a classic film each week and dissect it during tutorials, I just loved it and it should have made a confirmed movie maven of me but then medical school and life happened. Maybe once we’re all locked down permanently and simplified to our own devices I will have the chance to catch up on the flicks, but I’ll need to build up a DVD library because we probably can’t count on Netflix and such. Anyway, I’m glad you’ve had the chance to enjoy the silver screen and hopefully will continue to for some time.

                  I’ve kept up my interest and enjoyment of classical music, having learned piano as a youngster. The choral singing came later when I emigrated to Tasmania and joined the state’s symphony chorus. It really is a privilege to have sung many major choral works and here I will put in a little brag tag that I’ve sung in the Sydney Opera House! I have been known to enjoy percussing on a djembe or cajon when the mood strikes, nothing like banging on a drum to relieve stress and get in touch with the primal rhythm of life. I would be interested to know what instruments any of our secret club members play, and the music you enjoy.

                  Thanks again for sharing that highlight video. It was a great release for a day which saw Australia cop a 0.5% interest rate hike, I think our economy is really going to tank now. More reason to slap a drum.

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                  1. So nice of you to flesh out some of the contours of your life. Thank you.

                    I briefly took up the harmonica at the start of Covid and managed a passable ‘Blowin’ in the Wind’ and a few other simple tunes. I’m thinking of ordering a didgeridoo. I’m quite taken by the earthiness of it. Once had a didgeridoo sound healing …my cells were vibrating by the end of session. The tones/notes connected with something primal in me. It was an amazing experience.


                    1. That does sound awesome, Mandrake. You must have a good set of lungs to play harmonica and attempt the didgeridoo! One of the finest didgeridoo players in the world is William Barton, an Indigenous Australian artist and composer. Check out his Birdsong at Dusk, simply haunting and full of reverence. It begins with his vocalizing and the didge solo at the end is otherworldly. I hope you enjoy it, and may it give you encouragement to learn the didgeridoo, and maybe sing, too!


                    2. And here’s a live concert entitled Invisible Frequencies, if you’re in the mood for more and visuals.


        2. I read both The Castle and The Trial 50 years ago. Some academics say that Kafka was the greatest author of all time (others give that position to Proust-which I haven’t read). I thought either book was great, but a little goes a long way. If you have ever dealt with an evil bureaucracy then you will understand the meaning of Kafkaesque. At the time I read them I became convinced that torture was a world that was illogical and capricious – what our world has become. Other academics would say that Dostoyevsky (The Brothers Karamazov) was the greatest Russian author of all time. My problem with Russian authors is that although they may be profound they got paid by the word (so I understand) so verbosity was rewarded. I need to reread Dostoyevsky now that I am much older to see if it still resonates. I would wait to see if anyone else has an opinion.
          I do prefer Nick Lane’s recent work as it logically explains physical reality.


      2. No one takes the immorality of human reproduction seriously, especially the so-called educated. When actually using the term “overshoot,” they discuss overconsumption, climate change, etc., but they dance around the PRIMARY problem, overpopulation. Why? Because they chose to have kids years after Ehrlich, the Meadowses, and Catton, for example, confronted the issue and presented it to a dumbed-down public.

        Most of these guys who actually mentioned overpopulation (amazingly!) appear to have typically gone along with keeping their wives happy . . . screw the kids’ eventual misery:

        Somebody said, “Greenpeace co-founder Paul Watson (71) mouthed his support for population reduction while expanding his own family: one born in ’80, who has given him two grandkids; one in 2016; one in 2021.”

        Somebody said, “Besides Watson, Sagan had 5 kids, 2 after LTG; Cousteau, 4, 2; Suzuki, 5, 2; Abbey, 5, 2. My niece did her thesis on o/p hypocrisy [no kids herself] and pointed out Doug Stanhope’s idea that those who can afford Montessori school don’t see their kids as part of the problem.”

        I said this: “I was lucky to marry an empathetic, educated woman 44 years ago who understood the ecological devastation of overpopulation, etc., so we made the decision to refrain from breeding. At least we can watch the downhill slide of the planet without THAT on our conscience.”

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        1. Hi Jonathan, nice to know you are so happily compatible with your wife, I trust you have built together a very fulfilling and interesting life. Yes, it does seem a full blown case of “Do as I say, not as I do” but denial seems to be the stork that keeps bringing on the babies. It’s always the other person who is the problem, not me! The evolutionary urge to procreate if one can seems unsurmountable for most humans, both male and female varieties, although the initial input cost is quite uneven for our species. I, too, had the fortuitous circumstance to find a partner quite early on in my life and roundabout different reasons decided not to have children, namely because at the time we thought our careers would be too consuming to make it fair for anyone to take on any extra responsibility. Population reduction wasn’t totally in our radar then, and besides, we were both only children so our parents already did a fabulous job trimming down the branches of the family tree. But, it may be more rare than our n of 2 couples that both partners have the same ideals at the time when fertility and the biological urge peaks. I know many couples where one didn’t want children but for the sake of staying together, caved in to pressure, and never have I heard out loud that they ever regretted that decision once the children arrived. It’s just goes against the biological grain to reject your own especially after the energy investment not to mention anything so human like love. There is only one couple I know where they split over the decision of children, the woman wanted them, the man didn’t, and that was a courageous move indeed. It is not only biology which heavily stacks the reproductive urge, it is hardwired into our culture as well, did you hear of the recent case where one Indian set of parents sued their son for not giving them a grandchild? The pressure to have children, and thus provide grandchildren is overwhelming in many cultures, even our own. And the sad fact is that humans want their own biological children, otherwise the problem of wanting kids but not making more is easily solved by adopting, which is still a very minority choice, even amongst those who we expect should do so. How much this is evolutionary or cultural is difficult to tease out, but we are talking going against millennia of societal norms and eons more of evolutionary pressure, that’s not going to change overnight or easily, and actually the urge to reproduce in many may only become stronger and more urgent as doom approaches. I realise that many life forms in nature rein things in when times are tough, but there are many other examples of going all out trying to reproduce when given a last chance, mainly in the plant kingdom.

          The way I see it, the only reliable method of large-scale birth control is not going to involve choice, unfortunately. Look what China had to do with their One Child policy, and it could only have been accomplished in a country with that level of control over the populace. The outcome may have given them a bit more breathing space (at 1.4 billion) but societal wise, it was a disaster and untold suffering is unfolding. Now they are trying to reverse some of that damage by encouraging 3 children per family but ironically, there are precious few takers. The one child little emperors and princesses haven’t learned how to think or care for anyone else and that makes successful long term relationships unlikely. Divorce is rife in China, the younger generations seem happiest on their own with their digital devices (or small dogs) as companions. Some are opting out of life all together and choosing to stay locked in their rooms at their parents’ home (not much different from here, I guess). The older generation is suffering a lack of physical and financial support they are expecting, placing more pressure on society and also their one child. So I suppose China’s forced birth reduction experiment had unintended consequences and unfortunately, with the coinciding of China’s global ascent, the slightly reduced population’s footprint has been more than exceeded by explosive development and consumption. We’re talking a nation of spoilt brats, and their parents who now think they deserve something in return. For our Western world, if the agenda is population reduction with emphasis on reducing births, then it can only be done surreptitiously. The public must never know what is happening but the outcome will need to be seen as the result of many different factors–economic collapse, climate change, pandemics, famine, war, displacement of people, sexual identity diversity. In actual fact, we’ve had all these factors through history, more or less, but that has not stopped people having children, the only way to guarantee it will be so is to make it biologically less likely to conceive and give birth. Who wants to go down this rabbit hole? And we all know what rabbits do…

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          1. Interesting. I thought the main problem with China’s one child policy was an imbalance of males to females. You discussed other problems I was not aware of and did not mention that one.

            Garrett Hardin agrees with you that any effective population reduction policy must be compulsory:

            I’m not so sure. Most people that deny the reality of overshoot view population reduction policies as an abhorrent invasion of their personal rights and freedoms. On the other hand, I think most people that really understand the reality and implications of overshoot will view population reduction policies as wise, humane, and obviously required.

            I suppose if it is impossible for the majority with normal denial genes to ever see overshoot, which might be true, then we’ll have to go with Jack Alpert’s plan to engineer and launch an infertility virus. I know a lab in Wuhan that could be hired.

            P.S. Sorry Gaia, for a reason I don’t understand, some of your posts are automatically put in the spam folder by WordPress. I have to notice them and manually restore them from spam. I’ve checked all the settings and don’t understand the cause. It’s not happening to other commenters. Maybe WordPress is suspicious of Australians.


            1. Hey there Rob, so that’s what happens! There’s always one outlier in the group of outliers, I suppose! If I weren’t me, I think I would be suspicious of this particular American-Australian of Chinese descent, too.

              Regarding overshoot aware people accepting population reduction, yes, it is all good in theory but as Jonathan explained, there is something lacking in the execution. Even the most influential can’t seem to put their money where their mouths are, maybe because they think their children will be different (as most parents think!) and a couple more on the planet, especially theirs, won’t matter. I don’t really know, but I can understand the extreme pull of having children for most people (I never had this urge, ever since I could have children I knew I wasn’t going to) as the experience of family, and moreover your “own” family, is one of the highest fulfilments we have created as a society. Heck, children were once our only true possessions and we needed their labor to survive. Many people want their own children as a way to re-live their childhood or sometimes as a self atonement for a less than desirable childhood. There are probably as many reasons for having a child as there are parents, and frankly, for the most part, no reason at all, it can just happen in an unguarded moment, literally! We are such a mixed-up bunch. I can see and understand the reality and implications of overshoot, and I can view population reduction policies as wise, humane, and obviously required, but I also can only make that choice for myself. The trouble starts when an outside agency takes agency for another without their understanding or permission, it’s the same as the vaccine mandates. That’s another reason why the One Child Policy didn’t quite work, forcing it upon the masses, even if everyone could see and understand the rationale, never is the most justified approach. Not only was corruption rife (some people could “buy” their way into having more children), and countless millions of female fetuses were aborted (can you imagine the untold pain and anguish leading to that decision), but now the lasting bitterness and resentment of several parental generations taken out on their progeny who may not have lived up to the expectations and sacrifice, and in turn, the child becomes resentful of their situation and their parents. That’s a suffering you have to just wear inside but eats away at you. Perhaps if the Chinese government at the time could have trusted their own people more and concentrated on education of the population issue (and it wouldn’t have taken too much propaganda as the Chinese have known famine and disasters since time immemorial, then leaving it to their choice with incentives not to have children, but not necessarily penalizing those who did, then we may have seen a result like you are surmising would happen. But what government is going to leave it to the choice of the people, and can you take that chance on something that could totally backfire and set the country back with hundreds of millions if not billion of extra people? Perhaps it would be more effective to ban the Haber-Bosch process and let the resultant decreased food production set the population load. In effect, that is what we are looking to do now with the energy manipulations and loss of Russian potash.

              A last word on the untoward results of the One Child Policy that our family has noticed–you have mentioned the gender imbalance as a huge potential problem, and on the face of it, it could have been. Many Chinese only child males who couldn’t find Chinese wives have taken Korean and even Russian ones (but never Japanese!) all made even easier in recent years by internet dating, lucky technology for them! The ones who could, usually through attending Uni as a foreign student, emigrated to other countries and met their partners there. Others, a whole cohort with a derogatory name of “lie-down person” have retreated into their rooms and aren’t interested in making a match (and since the end result of non-procreation is achieved, I suppose that is a good thing to support your adult child in your home for the rest of your life). The real winners, however, have been the Chinese women who survived aborting, they are truly in the catbird seat (what a strange saying, but here I am using it). Like female bower birds, they have their pick of mates and can literally afford to be choosy. To put it in monetary terms, it’s not uncommon for a Chinese woman to require a potential mate to have an apartment, car, and decent salary ready to go before even beginning the dating process. Does this make for a happy and stable long-term relationship? At least it is having the desired consequence of fewer children, but there’s no greater suffering than disharmony in a household. Which is why divorce rates in China have skyrocketed, especially through the Covid lockdowns.

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              1. Thank you Gaia for insights into the Chinese population reduction experiment. I learned a lot.

                Let me push back a bit. It’s hard to imagine any population reduction policy that does not have some negative side effects. The problems created must be weighed against the benefits of a smaller population. For example, I think the problem of spoiled single children pales in comparison to malnourished and dying children with no prospect of a decent life.

                Everything we do comes with tradeoffs. We have to choose the lesser of evils.

                You also introduced another issue central to overshoot, the fact that women prefer wealthy men with big homes and nice cars. If somehow we could change women to prefer men with say skills to survive pleasantly with low material consumption, then the behavior of men would change in a good direction to attract women. As Nate Hagens frequently says, most people in the rich western world could cut their consumption in half and still have very good lives.

                P.S. Now that you understand the spam problem, if a comment does not appear, just be patient for a few hours until I fix it.


                1. Yeah, you’re too right, nothing could be worse than the suffering of starving and dying children of which we already have by the millions and we in the West are in effect the spoilt ones. That is one of the collective traumas for the Chinese people, great famines that led to the unspeakable, when families were driven to trade their children so they didn’t have to eat their own as they died. On further thought, the One Child Policy may have led to an even surer course to reduce population by way of the behavioural ramifications of this experiment. It may take a few generations, but surely the population of China should decrease considerably. Many Chinese young people have no desire to have children, even if they desire to eventually marry. Babies are an unknown variable to them, not to mention their care. Just imagine, possibly the first time they would have seen or held a baby would be their own, now that’s a scary thought! In response to the recent government policy reversal of encouraging more children, one interviewed woman put it straightforwardly, “Why should I have any children when it’s so expensive and besides, most likely our marriage would end in divorce and then I would be solely responsible for raising them and in addition having to take care of my parents? I can have a much better life without them.”


          2. sex-based abortion is extremely common in China and India. There are millions of men in these countries who are unable to get married because there is just not enough women


              1. I suppose in China’s case, if you only could have one child, and you prefer it to be a boy, no amount of money incentive would sway that. You’d probably pay money to make sure it was a boy if you could.


                1. I had assumed the reason many Chinese parents prefer boys is because they usually earn more money and therefore have better prospects of providing care to elderly parents. If money is not the cause, what is?


  5. Hi Rob and friends on this brave new world order page,
    Hear, hear! Rob, you have a talent for distilling the known into a coherent and logical exposition that makes my waffling give IHOP (that’s International House of Pancakes, are they still a chain in the States?) a run for their money.
    There’s a lot to unpack here and all of what you courageously set out has been fomenting in my head for a long time, so I am not in the least shocked nor disturbed by all its implications for our immediate and eventual future. But perhaps some of your readers might think this is too far down the rabbit hole for their liking or comfort? It all started for me decades ago (maybe my whole life) with asking “Why am I interpreting this in this way?” and “What can other reasons and interpretations be?” and “Who benefits and who doesn’t” and maybe most importantly “Using my conscience as a guide, what is the decision I would take?” Looking at the world with these filters has shifted my understanding of my reality (and here I qualify that everything I say is only my opinion) many times over but at this stage I have come to an understanding that what the world reality looks like and what is underpinning it is a tangled web indeed. Maybe we can use this new forum (frankly seeing my moniker highlighted every time I logged in was scary but now that I’ve been slightly desensitized I don’t have to anymore!) to explore what the ramifications of what Rob has outlined are and how to navigate as wisely and effectively as possible through these next critical months, always with the goal of reducing suffering and maximising mankind’s liberation, however we wish to interpret that. I wish for everyone a sense of equanimity throughout these rocky days, and I want you to know what a joy and fulfilment it is for me to connect with you, sharing minds and hearts. I wish you and your families all the best and may we all realise and live out our good life. Namaste.

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    1. Thanks Gaia, I’m sure reality is more nuanced than I presented. For example, I forgot to mention the role that denial probably played in a our leaders when they decided to shortcut vaccine testing, to block Ivermectin, to ignore VAERS data, and to vaccinate children.

      I’ll be pleased if someone can show I am wrong and that there is a better explanation for what we observe. For the moment this story is the only one that ties together for me the hundreds of threads of evidence that covid and Russia are not what they appear.


  6. Putin responds in an interview to the claim that Russia has caused a food crisis.

    Notice the length, clarity, and amount of information in his answer to a single question. Biden & Trump can’t form a single clear sentence without reading it. He answers additional questions in the interview that I did not paste below.


    Yes, indeed, we are seeing attempts to place the responsibility on Russia for developments in the global food market and the growing problems there. I must say that this is another attempt to pin the blame on someone else. But why?

    First, the situation with the global food market did not become worse yesterday or even with the launch of Russia’s special military operation in Donbass, in Ukraine.

    The situation took a downturn in February 2020 during the efforts to counter the coronavirus pandemic when the global economy was down and had to be revived.

    The financial and economic authorities in the United States, of all things, found nothing better than to allocate large amounts of money to support the population and certain businesses and economic sectors.

    We generally did almost the same thing, but I assure you that we were much more accurate, and the results are obvious: we did this selectively and got the desired results without affecting macroeconomic indicators, including excessive inflation growth.

    The situation was quite different in the United States. The money supply in the United States grew by 5.9 trillion in less than two years, from February 2020 to the end of 2021 – unprecedented productivity of the money printing machines. The total cash supply grew by 38.6 percent.

    Apparently, the US financial authorities believed the dollar was a global currency, and it would spread, as usual, as it did in previous years, would dissolve in the global economy, and the United States would not even feel it. But that did not happen, not this time. As a matter of fact, decent people – and there are such people in the United States – the Secretary of the Treasury recently said they had made a mistake. So, it was a mistake made by the US financial and economic authorities – it has nothing to do with Russia’s actions in Ukraine, it is totally unrelated.

    And that was the first step – and a big one – towards the current unfavourable food market situation, because, in the first place, food prices immediately went up, they grew. This is the first reason.

    The second reason was European countries’ short-sighted policies, and above all, the European Commission’s policy in regard to energy. We see what is going on there. Personally, I believe that many political players in the United States and Europe have been taking advantage of people’s natural concerns about the climate, climate change, and they began to promote this green agenda, including in the energy sector.

    It all seems fine, except for the unqualified and groundless recommendations about what needs to be done in the energy sector. The capabilities of alternative types of energy are overestimated: solar, wind, any other types, hydrogen power – those are good prospects for the future, probably, but today, they cannot be produced in the required amount, with the required quality and at acceptable prices. And at the same time, they began to belittle the importance of conventional types of energy, including, and above all, hydrocarbons.

    What was the result of this? Banks stopped issuing loans because they were under pressure. Insurance companies stopped insuring deals. Local authorities stopped allocating plots of land for expanding production and reduced the construction of special transport, including pipelines.

    All this led to a shortage of investment in the world energy sector and price hikes as a result. The wind was not as strong as expected during the past year, winter dragged on, and prices instantly soared.

    On top of all that, the Europeans did not listen to our persistent requests to preserve long-term contracts for the delivery of natural gas to European countries. They started to wind them down. Many are still valid, but they started winding them down. This had a negative effect on the European energy market: the prices went up. Russia has absolutely nothing to do with this.

    But as soon as gas prices started going up, fertiliser prices followed suit because gas is used to produce some of these fertilisers. Everything is interconnected. As soon as fertiliser prices started growing, many businesses, including those in European countries, became unprofitable and started shutting down altogether. The amount of fertiliser in the world market took a dive, and prices soared dramatically, much to the surprise of many European politicians.

    However, we warned them about this, and this is not linked to Russia’s military operation in Donbass in any way. This has nothing to do with it.

    But when we launched our operation, our so-called European and American partners started taking steps that aggravated the situation in both the food sector and fertiliser production.

    By the way, Russia accounts for 25 percent of the world fertiliser market. As for potash fertilisers, Alexander Lukashenko told me this – but we should double-check it, of course, although I think it is true – when it comes to potash fertilisers, Russia and Belarus account for 45 percent of the world market. This is a tremendous amount.

    The crop yield depends on the quantity of fertiliser put into the soil. As soon as it became clear that our fertilisers would not be in the world market, prices instantly soared on both fertilisers and food products because if there are no fertilisers, it is impossible to produce the required amount of agricultural products.

    One thing leads to another, and Russia has nothing to do with it. Our partners made a host of mistakes themselves, and now they are looking for someone to blame. Of course, Russia is the most suitable candidate in this respect.

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  7. So Rob, if you were to start your own secret society how many people would you include in your club? Sorry but the Pentaverate has been taken. How about the Octoalliance? And would it be open bar?

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    1. Hi Mandrake, I’m not a very socially intuitive person. I get the feeling I should understand the intent or humor of your question but I’m drawing a blank. Sorry for being dense.

      To answer directly, I don’t have any friends IRL that think about what I think about so nobody would join a secret society created by me.

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      1. But we all already have! Isn’t this real life? You’ve got a very loyal following of friends here and I think you intuit more than well many things that most people should have more care for, like our imperative to reduce suffering, for example. My burning question is what’s going to be our secret handshake?

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  8. Ed Dowd adds another link to the covid/overshoot story I painted in the post above.

    In 2019 there was a repo crisis and the global economy was starting to roll over just as covid arrived providing a reason for the fed to print 65% of the money supply to keep things afloat.

    Notice there’s another repo crisis underway today and monkeypox arrived.

    Still thinking about this. Did the fed really need a reason to print trillions? Maybe they did.

    Maybe my musings about the need for a mechanism to constrain consumption and social unrest and a path to a digital currency were secondary objectives.

    Maybe not.

    Anyone have an opinion?



    1. Thinking out loud here.

      What actually happened in the early days of covid?
      1) There was a repo crisis with little discussion and visibility in the media.
      2 Covid emerged and was allowed to rapidly spread around the world due to what looked like gross incompetence of the WHO.
      3) Leaders and news media whipped up panic for a fairly mild disease causing lockdowns and damage to the economy.
      4) Everyone agreed central banks should take extraordinary measures (aka print gazillions) to support the economy.

      What happened in the aftermath?
      1) The WHO was not chastised for incompetence. It was rewarded with increased responsibilities.
      2) The covid panic evaporated at about the same time that central banks stopped printing.
      3) A war begins that is blamed for high energy prices and food shortages.
      4) A new repo crisis begins with little discussion and visibility and then monkeypox arrives.

      Spot the pattern?

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      1. Economies of emerging markets in a row are collapsing, because they can not afford high energy and raw-material prices and currencies are diluted.
        EU will be destroyed. Germany will be too weak to support the neighbours.
        Last man standing USA also will be disintegrated.

        Rob, what is the time frame?
        My guess: 5 years, max.


        el mar


        1. I don’t know. I do know every one of my prior predictions on timing has been wrong.

          I now think about our predicament with brackets.

          On the optimistic side, if everything goes perfectly well and no mistakes are made, I can’t imagine our current global economy functioning beyond 2030 because energy flow will have declined by 30-50% no matter what we do.

          On the pessimistic side, with emotional monkeys in charge of nuclear weapons, or some bad luck managing hyper complex financial markets, things could unravel tomorrow.

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      2. Regaring #3 on your what happened list: I don´t know whether this applies to other countries, but in the time between January and March 2020 the German government and media downplayed the danger of Covid. Our minister of health even said that masks are useless. It was the AfD (our “Nazi” party), that advised caution. Among other things, the proposed border closures to reduce the spread of the virus to Germany. As you can imagine, they were verbally destroyed by the media for this. Then, at some point in March the positions on Covid totally flipped. The German government and media were starting their two year scaremongering tour while the AfD reconsidered their position due to the low overall danger of Covid.


        1. I remember that time frame. I had been monitoring activities in China for several months and knew that any sane intelligent person should have stopped travel from China to Vancouver, where we have a large Chinese community. My government did not act presumably because the WHO said there was no reason to stop travel.


  9. This is from the German blog https://limitstogrowth.de/
    deepl translated:

    Suicide, or: How goes Deagel 2025!
    Published on June 2, 2022 by H.C.

    Europe goes into the self-destruction mode. One or rather woman (leading was yes Ursula VdL) decides a suicidal oil embargo against itself – or the EU citizens. 90% of the oil imports from Russia are to be stopped until the end of the year. Only Viktor Orbán (Hungary) opposed this aggressive and self-destructive nonsense, because he knows that it would (not only) destroy his country economically.

    Means also: All other decisive politicians seem to be blind, stupid, naive, paralyzed, bought or members of lodges, which decided the European self-destruction. That a Green foreign minister complains about a “war fatigue” speaks volumes – at least for me. Even Economics Minister Habeck seems to think that 100,000 deaths from starvation are less dramatic than negotiations with Putin or the lifting of sanctions against Russia.

    Europe’s energy suicide
    C. Martenson has a good video about what he titles “Europe’s Energy Suicide.” It is well worth watching. Martenson also makes it clear that Europe is not sanctioning Russia – but itself and thus causing economic self-destruction.

    Because: Once the contracts with Russia are cancelled, Russia quickly concludes new contracts with other oil buyers – then there is no turning back. The fact is that the EU and we can be glad that Russia sells us its (remaining and diminishing) oil – not the other way around. In addition: The oil refineries which are adjusted to the Russian oil or are built for it, cannot be “re-equipped”. Means: Shortage of fuels and that very fast.

    Europe’s gene experiment suicide
    That certain elements in the EU want to destroy the citizens and/or (medium-term) kill also other processes, which I described in another article to the monkey pox. Thus it is to go in the autumn (after VdL) with the Corona measures further. At the same time, the “monkeypox scam” is being ramped up. Piquant: The smallpox “vaccine”, which is only approved for or under ‘exceptional circumstances’, contains among other things the highly dangerous antibiotic “Ciprofloxacin”. This alone is enough for strongest (mitochondrial) damages, from which nobody knows how to get you away again. The millions of “floxed” can sing songs about it…

    Fact is: No matter where I look, everywhere sand is thrown into the gears of the EU economy: More and more regulations & laws, more levies, surveillance, people made (chronically) ill by the experimental C-19 gene shots and other things – and now the self-made energy emergency, with the (provoked) Ukraine special operation by Russia only serving as a pretext.

    Europe’s collapse (by 2025?)
    That the societies are to be made incapable of acting and/or become I had already Thematisiert here in the Blog in reference to Martin Pall and 4/5G. Also he offered 2025 (+/- 1-2 years) as a tipping point – and that still without the Covid gene injections. Prof. Dolores Cahill additionally calculates that a large part of the gene “treated” , in the range of 3-5 years from the “prick” will increasingly die. In summary, this alone is a “perfect storm” as shown by the (dramatic) developments in Australia. However, the dying is usually preceded by the phase of illness and inability to perform – which means a lot of sand in the gears of societies.

    My conclusion
    What is currently happening is intentional and is (consciously) controlled.

    Prepare yourselves for the fact that from now on it can become VERY turbulent or rather will become. The, if not immediately everything changes, following inevitable descent in the direction of Deagel list was clearly accelerated – in order to reach the “goal” (still). Who had still 2 years ago no idea like something could be possible, thus only still 30 million humans in the area of Germany in 2025, now probably of the better is taught. Who does not know how “starve and freeze goes”, of course only for the “peace”, is soon probably “live” there.

    Who asks itself: Why? Also for this question there are answers in this blog. Last but not least, because of this, I would like to reproduce here a part of the interview with Archbishop Carlo M. Viganò from Corona Committee 106:
    “The crisis in Ukraine was intended as a very sophisticated mass distraction maneuver to prevent the increasingly uncontrollable news about the deadly side effects of the experimental serum and the disastrous consequences of the measures declared by the states during the pandemic emergency from reaching the public. The falsification of data is now evident. The deliberate concealment of the results of the first phase of the study is now even admitted by the pharmaceutical producers themselves. The awareness of the uselessness of the masks and the lockdowns has been proven by various studies. The damage to the psyche of the population, especially children and the elderly, is incalculable, as is the damage done to students through distance learning. Making sure that people do not realize what has been done to them is what these criminals are doing. These criminals who are as responsible for the pandemic as they are for the Russian-Ukrainian crisis.”


    el mar


    1. Hello el mar, hope you are holding steady and in good health. You have painted a clear picture of the imminent collapse of Western society and thus allowing for the true emergence of the New World Order and those who have been intentionally controlling all the strings. I think as you that there is an overarching machination here that explains everything under the same umbrella. We, those who are red-pilled, are still a bit too scattered in our perceptions and maybe even in our own brand of denial, to be able to appreciate the whole picture even as it comes into sharper focus. It’s like all of us still half-blinded and feeling the elephant, one saying it is like a rope (tail), another saying it is like a tree (leg) and so forth but missing the whole. It isn’t strictly about who profits from what because those who are really running the show have been creating money all along, it’s a tool of their making and we have been all trolled along for centuries following their rules of trade and thinking they are fair, even creating a science of economics when it is all smoke and mirrors. How can I say this is all created illusion, albeit one that we have bought into (pun intended)? Because in nature, there is no money system, just homeostasis as the ultimate balance sheet. Everything in nature is in constant flux and becomes another form of matter or energy, nothing is created nor kept stagnant as a reaction, which is how modern economic theory works. And now we see the backend of the wizard trying to pull the strings, adjusting this and that to try to keep the leviathan still afloat, but it is sinking fast and no amount of money pulled from thin air is going to save it this time. And how can I say it is not fair? Because from my asking why, one of the questions I could never answer was why someone in Bangladesh who works 10 hours a day earns an amount equal to $3 US whilst someone in the US doing the same job earns multiples more? But it’s a good wage for them, we say, they can live on it. Like “they” are some variant of human so different from us, that they are just fine to live forever trapped in their poverty conditions whilst we profit from their labor, only needing to trade worthless numbers pulled from the air for it. Any kindergartener can understand this is not fair and without heart. Who deems the worth of each nation’s currency compared to another’s? What the hell does that even mean, the exchange rate? For me, it will only be Fair Trade when we are willing to trade our daughters for theirs in the same working and living conditions and pay. Until then, there is exploitation of some degree and I cannot shake my conscience from this, ever. Our economic system is just an expedient way of creating slaves across the globe when it was no longer deemed fashionable to own them in-house. That and the free-for-all grab of energy resources (creating energy slaves) is the bottom line of our meteorological rise of wealth and abundance of goods in the West.

      Now we have entered a new era of biological manipulation and can use the pandemic pretence to access the masses, once again, this reeks of the highest level of control, something above the leaders of each country and that they are beholden to. Why can I say this? Because anyone who can act on their own volition and conscience, especially a world leader, would be able to do the right thing that all of us have come to understand so clearly with every passing month of Covid reveal. Stop the vaccines, offer true treatment, admit harm, make restitution, make sure this never happens again (but it is, and on cue). Anyone part of a society would follow this pattern of admittance, apology, and repair for even a small slight to a neighbor, but our leaders cannot or will not? At least they can resign but do not? What knowledge or who is holding them? Not one world leader has come forth to face the truth or at least allow for dialogue past the narrative? What is the chance of that if we are really living in a world where we are free to do our conscience? Are they all that inept, stupid, indifferent? Or have we just painted them with that brush because we haven’t fully digested the red pill?

      War and rumors of war are also their game, and they have been kingmakers and destroyers for their purpose. I would like to fully concur with Rob’s idea that Russia has been a rogue to the master plan, just for variation, but still there is something in me that says nothing is not part of the master plan. Hasn’t the Ukraine conflict, or rather, the reactionary repercussions to the conflict, accomplished in just 3 months all the underpinnings for the collapse of the EU, prelude to global food shortages, multi-continent energy crisis, and raised the spectre of nuclear war? Aren’t these the prerequisites to the ushering of the New World government? Perhaps Russia is playing her starring role, whether it is heroine, villain or martyr is up to the eyes of the beholder but nevertheless, it is part of the script. Isn’t it ironic that the lead of Ukraine actually is an actor? Or is it?

      My friends, and I do see you as friends and wondrous fellow earthlings, you know that I have sprung from shy wallflower to spilling everything I have in me in these few months I have been visiting with you here around Rob’s welcoming campfire. From my writing, you probably have a clearer sense of who I am and what I think, definitely more than those who know me “in real life”. Do you think I have overdosed on the red pill or can you see and understand my brand of logic and thinking? Of course you are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any of the above. Nothing has any “proof” and I don’t reckon it will come forth other than what is unfolding before our eyes and ears at every level and arena, but we can still apply the scientific method and I desire nothing more than robust discussion. It was a very lonely space with these my thoughts before I could give voice here and I am grateful and humbled by our camaraderie. Thanks for bearing with me, and if there’s anything you think I can do to help any of you, please only just ask. In the cosmic and evolutionary scale, we are all closest kin.

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      1. Hello gardener,
        It was an article written by „HC“!
        I only copied it and deeple translated it!
        Thank you for your thoughts and questions!


        1. Thanks Rob for that validation, but it’s already enough for me to have the opportunity to sit down after a good day in the garden and compose my musings and for you to kindly host them, however long and convoluted they may be. And sorry for hassling you about the missing posts, from now on, I’ll just hit the submit button without a care in the world, and maybe Word Press is doing a good job trying to censor me!
          This site is yours, generously shared, and I have benefited enormously from your knowledge and other commenters’ discussions. If a discussion naturally follows from this, I am eager for any input, but totally not necessary to make a separate post, we’ve only just begun a new one here! I think I’ve taken up far too much screen space as it is, so thanks all for your indulgence and encouragement.


      2. …this reeks of the highest level of control, something above the leaders of each country and that they are beholden to. …Are they all that inept, stupid, indifferent? Or have we just painted them with that brush because we haven’t fully digested the red pill?

        Gaia, I can think of only one red pill powerful enough to force a diverse group of big ego leaders from many countries to cooperate on a secret plan that no one discusses. And that’s powerful enough to bring their political opposition in line with very little criticism. And that enabled them to do things that under any other circumstances would have been blocked by their ethics and good character.

        We know the central banks have been communicating and working as a team since at least the 2008 GFC to keep the global wheels on. I imagine the head of each central bank sat down with the leader of their country and spelled out the reality that an imminent “recession” would likely take out modern civilization due to the global debt bubble and lack of growth.

        They probably said, “we need an excuse to print a gazillion dollars, and we’re going to need a digital currency soon that restricts many freedoms, and we might fail so you should think about a plan B for controlling social unrest. We think a not so serious global pandemic exaggerated into a panic is the perfect cover to accomplish all of this.”

        Nothing else is powerful enough. It explains everything without having to assume every leader in the world is evil and/or stupid.

        Putin refused to join the plan, and they viscerally hate him for not being a team player.

        I’m going to edit my original post to add this central bank piece.


        1. Now that is ringing closer to red pill truth to me, yes, the game is afoot and we are on track trying to decipher all the clues. In my training as a doctor, I learned to always seek an overarching cause for the myriad of symptoms that a patient may present with, rather than diagnosis multiple diseases when one could explain it all. For one thing it’s tidy and a great exercise in deduction by ferreting out the full history and being able to choose the correct medical tests to rule in or out my supposition. That’s the art and science of medicine to master and even in my limited experience, I found that the physical body and the patient always give the clues to point in the right direction, if you had the skill and care to look and ask. And since every process in the physical body is connected and affects the whole, each organ system would have changes, even subtle, in reaction or compensation for the imbalance of homeostasis, which is what all disease boils down to. Once I knew how to think like a liver, kidney or heart, I could read more clearly what signs come through when they are compromised. But there is always one underlying main process that drives the rest of the presentation. You know where I am going with this, but that is the same thinking hat I have been trying to put on to also come up with a unified theory of sorts to explain why the world is imploding the way it is now. We can see our world, the biophysical, geopolitical, economic, social, as one body, and everything interconnected in ways we cannot foresee or predict. This “patient” is in critical condition, and we are witnessing a drastic total organism re-organisation to stay alive, and it looks like it will need to occur in stages otherwise the disease may be cured but the patient still dies.

          I appreciate your deduction that the main driver to unify our leaders and that can cause our immediate civilization downfall is economic based, but why not assume that it is actually the full overshoot scenario that has our leaders running scared and hurling us all into this agenda of control? Maybe they are awakened to our plight of the end of fossil fuels with 8 billion mouths and no planet B. The main clue that keeps propelling me to this conclusion, borne out over these past two years, is that excess deaths are actually being actively solicited, through the vaccines, lockdowns, food insecurity, continuation of war. For example, in my thinking, if it were only to cushion a spectacular economic collapse, they would have not withheld proven therapies for Covid, the vaccine debacle would have gotten some lip service at least, and furthermost the experimental inoculation wouldn’t have been thrust upon babes and children after the risk/benefit analysis became clear. But like in medicine, sometimes the treatment for two different conditions is the same, at least for a certain course of time, and I can also see how these decisions exaggerated the panic which was necessary for other measures to be put into place. I have never thought our leaders are stupid (even if they may seem so, it is actually quite a different thing and can be used for purpose) nor evil (I would choose the term expedient as a more impassive attribute), but they must be courageous enough to boldly strike out without hesitation once the plan has been made, lest everything be lost to indecision and missing out on the crucial timing. I have even mused that our leaders truly believe they are united in doing the right and only thing, that even these deaths and sufferings will be deemed compassionate and easy compared to those awaiting the people remaining if the full overshoot apocalypse plays out and no attempt was made to mitigate it. We here have been able to openly say that population reduction is necessary and not an evil measure, but we cannot even agree how it can be accomplished, or even start the conversation with family and friends. Knowing this, how can we begrudge the world leaders for the task that is before them, which is following through decisions in the defining moment that ends our dominance on this planet?

          It could also be that some global players are responding more to a scenario as you described, that is engineering a softer economic collapse whilst preparing for plan B reset and minimizing social unrest, whilst others are tackling the energy overshoot and population issue. This also makes sense to me to split the task so each concentrates on what is more likely to succeed with their strengths and weaknesses and the respective social/political make-up of their countries. For example, Australia and Canada are perhaps trial grounds for a softer carrot and stick type of control, whilst China’s method is just purely big stick and seeing just how far their population will take it. Everything happening now is data collection and testing of hypotheses for the final denouement. I am totally just thinking aloud on the fly here, forgive me if I’ve left the stratosphere with my ungrounded ideas. I just cannot believe that these issues are not in all the major player government’s foremost agenda, even if on a need-to-know basis. If we can see it, we should at least give other minds the benefit of the doubt, and not presume they are blinded. It is clear to me that the most outstanding of leaders take charge of the situation they are given with all the gusto and passion of engaging in a game that demands their absolute focus and consummate skill. That is why we can so easily metaphorize their moves as if on a chessboard. In Putin, I see a master at work and dare I say he seems to be revelling in it. Whatever and however, we are firmly set on this course, and it’s all for one and one for all.


          1. why not assume that it is actually the full overshoot scenario that has our leaders running scared and hurling us all into this agenda of control?

            Because I think our leaders are mostly normal people like my next door neighbor that doesn’t see overshoot and won’t see overshoot when I try to explain it to him. Our leaders can grasp a financial crisis because they’ve seen them before and they know we can recover from one. They can’t grasp an overshoot crash in which there is high probability their children will die horrible deaths.

            For example, in my thinking, if it were only to cushion a spectacular economic collapse, they would have not withheld proven therapies for Covid, the vaccine debacle would have gotten some lip service at least, and furthermost the experimental inoculation wouldn’t have been thrust upon babes and children after the risk/benefit analysis became clear.

            I’m thinking that pharma is very effective at twisting data to persuade intelligent people to buy their products. For example, statins are one of the most commonly prescribed drugs on the planet are are believed to be effective by the majority of doctors, and yet statins are useless at best and harmful at worst. Oxycontin is another example. Pharma had a role to play in the covid plan and they did what they always do which is twist the data to sell their products.

            Canada is perhaps a trial grounds for a softer carrot…

            I live here and have been feeling the opposite. I was shocked at the aggressive and very un-Canadian like response of our leaders to the trucker protest. Assuming my hypothesis about the underlying plan is true, I can now understand their response. They think their aggression is justified because they are trying to protect Canadians from a serious threat they can’t discuss.


            1. All good points to be taken, thanks Rob. I picked Canada and Australia from the amongst the Western countries for their concerted efforts in general widespread control of their populations (lockdowns, mandates, masking, testing, violent dispersal of protests) and then the partial restoration of privileges upon compliance, thus the carrot and stick analogy. I was not skilful in choosing the term “softer” when our democracies never experienced that level of scale and scope, as compared with China which regularly wields open totalitarian authority and their people are conditioned to succumb to it. We were all shocked by the unfolding of the Canadian trucker movement, the brave tribe of the Maple Leaf did not lack courage but were overcome with pure might makes right. I do believe there will be more battles ahead and Canadians (and hopefully Australians) will rise again together. I do see that your hypothesis of the greatest economic collapse in our human history is enough to make desperate people do desperate things. It just happens that whatever is going down is also addressing overshoot, whether or not our leaders are aware. By the way, today Australia banged another couple nails into its own coffin with raising interest rates a further 0.5%, the largest in 22 years, with another 0.5% tipped for next month. Our housing bubble is one nanometer from bursting, hundreds of thousands of defaults are nigh, the energy crisis has sent all sectors reeling (with a 50x, that’s times, not percent! increase in wholesale natural gas prices in just this week) and tens of thousands of businesses set to shut their doors forever. And we think raising the interest rates will curb inflation? The assisted suicide of our economy is well under way here, I wonder how things will go for you Canadians of the Commonwealth. It will be interesting to see how the meaning of commonwealth “public welfare, general good or advantage”, dating from the 15th century, gets spun with the reset.


              1. All good points.

                With regard to the housing bubble, and sorry if I’m repeating myself, but I think I understand the WEF’s statement that “we will own nothing and be happy”.

                As you point out there will soon be many defaults on mortgages. To prevent the banking system from collapsing central banks will have to print money to purchase the defaulted homes and then service those mortgages with more printed money.

                It will be bad for society to kick everyone out on the street and then have a bunch of vacant homes. I expect they will rent the homes back to the original owners at a rate they can afford.

                In the end, the state will own most of the big assets and “you will own nothing and be happy”.


                1. I think that’s exactly the plan, too. We’re the first to kick things off, and isn’t it just a bit too predictable that we’ve just seen the highest surge of housing prices in history here across the whole country with median price in Sydney at $1.6 million, and Hobart, capital of Tasmania, recording the biggest increases of 32% in a year and median price now $650K. It’s just insane. All driven by record low interest rates for the past 5 years. And now it’s time to pay the piper, or lose it. We’ve been working hammer and tongs to get our mortgage paid whilst the interest rates were low, so this increase will only set us back $30/mth and counting down. By the time the full increase of 2.5% is rolled out, we should be done. But for those who are in the early days of their $1M plus mortgages, it could be desperate times indeed.

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    2. Thanks. H.C. @ LimitsToGrowth is also trying to find an explanation for the many things that don’t make sense but he assumes our leaders are evil.

      I have a different view. As explained in the above post, I think our leaders are normal people with mostly good intentions that care about the future of their children. I think there must be a way to explain what’s going on without assuming evil intent. Denial of overshoot, ignorance of physics, hidden cracks in our fractional reserve debt backed monetary system, and monkey emotions are probably all that is required.

      Just to be clear, I do think there are some evil pharma leaders that did very unethical things to increase share prices. But it feels to me like they were riding a wave created by something else.

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      1. @Rob

        I think some are evil – and that is or may be enough. And the deep and hidden networks are spun with great care and detail.

        Ezekiel 25:17: “The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of the evil men…..”



  10. Some potentially big news in the tiny world of Mind Over Reality Transition…

    I had a long conversation with Nate Hagens last night. He wants to have a fresh look at MORT and has asked me to introduce him to Dr. Varki in the hope that Varki will appear as a guest on Nate’s podcast.

    Nate told me his podcast is ranked #1 in the category of Earth Sciences. That’s a big deal and Nate should be proud. His new podcast, in case you haven’t listened to it, is excellent. He’s trying to interview all the big names in the overshoot space.


    In case you’re not aware, I’ve only had one success at getting Varki into media outside of this blog. In 2017 I convinced Alex Smith of Radio Ecoshock to interview Dr. Varki. It was an excellent interview and Smith appeared to understand the significance of MORT.

    By Alex Smith: Radio Ecoshock interview with Ajit Varki

    I had hoped this would provide Smith with the tools to detect denial in his guests and to call them out when they (frequently) spew bullshit about climate change “solutions”.

    It didn’t work. In his next interview Smith had another guest promoting EVs or some such similar nonsense and he said nothing. I contacted Smith and gave him shit. Smith replied that it is not his job as a journalist to call out denial and bullshit in his guests.

    Who’s job is it?

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    1. It’s problematic, isn’t it? We want to find out information and that may involve multiple sides of an issue being aired. If a host denigrates one interpretation, it precludes him or her from looking at that angle anew. So a good host (I have no opinion on Alex Smith) might not feel able to call bullshit on his guests but should, of course, be able to grill them thoroughly when they are on.


    2. That’s great news, Rob and kudos to you for championing MORT into a hopefully wider audience! I really hope that in the near infinite solution space Dr Varki will consent and it should be a very insightful interview indeed.

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      1. Several times Dr. Varki and I have lamented to each other that it’s sad no scientists recognize the significance of MORT.

        Varki’s quite certain that his theory won’t be acknowledged until he’s dead, as happened with:
        – Mendel: heredity
        – Semmelweis: antisepsis
        – Copernicus: heliocentric solar system
        – Wegener: plate tectonics


    3. Dr. Varki has agreed to an interview. It’s out of my hands now. Hopefully the interview will take place in July or August. Here is the introduction of Nate that I provided to Varki in case you’re wondering why I think it’s important they connect.

      Hello Dr. Varki,

      I would like to introduce to you Nate Hagens, a friend of mine, who is a leading intellectual working to raise awareness of human overshoot and seeking paths to a better future.

      Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He teaches an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota.

      Nate has a huge body of work over the last 15 years diagnosing and describing our predicament. Better than anyone, he understands the dozens of human behaviors that have contributed to overshoot, and our inability to date to address it.

      I have on many occasions tried to persuade Nate that MORT is a keystone to the puzzle he is assembling. The gist of my argument is that I agree there are dozens of behaviors in play, but a key question is, how did evolution find a way to allow each of those dozens of widely different behaviors to dominate and override a uniquely powerful intelligence? I think it’s way too complicated and improbable. There needs to be a simple overriding mechanism for shutting down intelligence and allowing our destructive behaviors to dominate. That simple single mechanism is of course MORT.

      Nate has never really bought into my argument. He did read your book but was not overly impressed. I have explained you were not pleased with the book and subsequently wrote an improved argument for MORT, which Nate was not aware of, and which I recently sent to him.

      Nate has recently shifted gears from simply communicating into a vacuum, like I do, to actively trying to influence people with power. He is now engaged at senior levels in Washington D.C. trying to encourage policies and plans that will be useful when the shit soon hits the fan.

      Nate recently launch a new podcast called The Great Simplification in which he is trying to interview all of the big names in the overshoot space:

      Some of his guests to date include:
      – Dr. Dennis Meadows (lead author of the 1970 Limits to Growth study)
      – Dr. Paul Ehrlich (author of the 1968 book The Population Bomb)
      – Dr. Thomas Murphy (physicist and author of the brilliant blog Do the Math https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/post-index/)
      – and many other influential people.

      The podcast is doing very well and is now ranked #1 in the category of Earth Sciences.

      For a taste of Nate’s work, here is a new 4 part animated video series he produced:

      If short on time, you might most appreciate Part 3 which focusses on human behavior:

      Nate recently co-authored an impressive book titled “Reality Blind: Integrating the Systems Science Underpinning Our Collective Futures” which can be downloaded for free:

      Reality Blind by Nate Hagens and DJ White

      If you want to go deeper into Nate’s work, I have posted a lot over the years on my site:

      Anyway, to get to the punchline, Nate called me last night saying he’d like to have you on his podcast to discuss MORT, and would I please make an introduction.

      Please advise if I may have permission to provide your email to Nate, or if you’d prefer to speak with him, a phone number I can give him.

      Regards, Rob


      1. Congratulations and thank you, Rob! It’s been quite a week for you, and it’s all happening now. It’s always all happening now, no where else in time, but you know what I mean.

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  11. Rob,
    I just finished reading “Arrival of the Fittest” (a more inappropriate title I have not seen lately) by Andreas Wagner.
    I was disappointed.
    You wrote:

    “The book tries to explain the evolutionary solution space of life and how life innovates. It’s very complicated and dense and I don’t profess to understand or retain all of the ideas.

    I do however understand that Wagner is discussing something very important about our existence, and my best attempt at a summary is as follows.

    Life and its amazing diversity exists because:
    1) There are a near infinite number of reactions possible with carbon chemistry.
    2) There are a near infinite number of ways to implement each of the near infinite chemical reactions.
    3) There are a near infinite number of ways of encoding the recipe for each of the near infinite chemical reactions.
    4) There are a near infinite number of ways of controlling each of the near infinite recipes.
    5) Evolution acts on this near infinite solution space to innovate and to create networks of unfathomably complex chemical reactions that permit me to exist and to write this sentence.”

    I think that rather than wading through this overly verbose and obtuse book the author should have left it at the summary you gave in 1-5 above (which is concise and encapsulates the entire book). I hated the title because if the author shows anything it is that the solution space that evolution is working in has an almost infinite number of solutions to it’s problems (chemical reactions, carbon chemistry, regulatory embryogenesis). The solution that evolution finds is not necessarily an arrival at the fittest solution but arrival at one of the many (near infinite?) fit solutions. The author uses “innovation/innovability” as something other than random genetic mutation – as if there is something almost predestined about where evolution will go for a solution rather than just a random walk (which is what it really is – unless we talk about genetic drift which is an entirely different can of worms) in a near infinite solution space.

    What it gets down to is that Darwin’s evolutionary algorithm (Daniel Dennett) is a blind process working randomly for a solution. Wagner shows that the solution space has a near infinite amount of solutions BUT the process of exploring that solution space is nothing other than random genetic mutations expressed phenotypically in multitudes of individuals over eons of time and acted on by natural selection (you live or die – i.e. the mutation either confers an advantage, is deleterious or is neutral). There is no innovation per se, the expressed genotype has a survival advantage or it does not.
    I look forward to Nick Lane’s book, his understanding of and ability to explain the complex biochemistry of life/evolution are without current peer.

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    1. Thanks for the excellent book review AJ!

      I agree with your criticisms of the book. I expect if I had read a hard copy I would have become quite irritated with the author. I listened to it as an audiobook while walking in nature and was not concerned about understanding or agreeing with every word but rather just wanted to get the gist of evolution’s infinite solution space because I think that’s central to understanding life.

      I don’t think I’ve seen a better description of the near infinite solution space. Have you?


      1. No, I have not. If there was a big message in the book I thought it was what he found in all of his research – that the amount of solutions that evolution is presented with (in carbon chemistry, protein chemistry, genetic embryogenesis) is near infinite – his description was excellent. It was always my assumption that evolution had already “arrived” at the best (one and only) solution to all its “problems”. I now understand that not to be the case and there are many, MANY solutions possible even for something as “simple” as glucose metabolism. That alone makes his work valuable – but like I said he could have done that with your bullet points (and maybe a short chapter on each).

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      2. Hi friends, I am not a religious person in that I don’t subscribe to any organised one (although having grown up with Christian inculcation) but I can say I am a deeply spiritual one, which means I can look at the night sky or a sprouting seed and be filled with wonder and why and feel joy in knowing there’s an answer even if I’ll never fully understand it. I think I have just picked up from you a pretty perfect description of what mankind has variously called God, the Universe, the Force, or that which cannot be named–the near infinite solution space! That’s it, that’s the beauty and limitless possibilities of our seen and unseen, manifest and yet un-manifested, energy becoming matter becoming energy worlds without end. The only thing is we are the ones pointing our consciousness at a solution, and in our case, life on this planet, whereas the Universe just is. Whether or not atoms combined in a certain way over billions of years is all the same. But to be able to think we’re a subset of the infinite possibilities, right here and right now, that blows me away every time. Anyway, it’s good to know we’re all in this boundless Venn diagram together.

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  12. A new documentary by Ivan Idso starring Nate Hagens, Dennis Meadows, and Rob Hopkins.

    I have not watched yet so no recommendation one way or the other.

    In our program we share insights from some leading authorities on our human predicament, in relation to our ability to continue our current economic growth and standard of living indefinitely. We look back at where we’ve been, help to understand our current predicament, and share some ways we can lead a more sustainable and resilient life, while consuming much less. Our film is set at the Gray Duck Theater in Rochester MN, for a 2022 Earthday event.

    The event features pre-recorded videos from Dennis Meadows regarding the Limits To Growth and Rob Hopkins describing the Transition Towns organization, and a live presentation by Nate Hagens. In addition, we take a look at Nate’s video on The Great Simplification.

    Note: Nate Hagens pointed out “stated that US oil decline rate would be ~40% in the first year if we stopped drilling. However I incorrectly stated it would be 40% the next year and the year after that. Instead it would be 44% the first year and 26%, 23% and 15% in the following years.


    1. Yes hopefully he’s caught it early and his prognosis is good.
      Our whole house has gone down with influenza. Way worse than covid. I’ve literally been bedridden for 24 hours. Didn’t even have the strength to look at this website. Not sure if vitamin I works with the flu but I took it anyway along with zinc and queritin. Feeling slightly better this morning but will probably spend the day in bed. Snowing on and off anyway so good day to be inside.


      1. My grandfather got bowel cancer and prostate at the same time. He lived another 10 years and died at the ripe old age of 93. For 92 of those years he was at home. He wasn’t over weight and was an active man. Even at ninety he was walking 2 or 3 kilometres.
        I guess he would have died in his early eighties if he lived before the marvels of modern medicine. We do have a lot to be grateful for despite all the carnage going on around us in the natural world.

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      2. Hi Perran,
        Sorry to hear you’re doing it a bit tough right now but very appreciative of your positive attitude and generous perspective regarding how lucky we all are. Take the best care of yourself and your family. If I could send you some Queensland sunshine and warmth, I would! The snow around your hills must look lovely, I can imagine Sleeping Beauty must be all tucked in under a blanket. For those not familiar with the idyllic Huon Valley of Tasmania, which is probably everyone but us two, we have a mountain called Sleeping Beauty because it looks like a profile of a reclining lady, very striking at the right angle!


  13. Disclosing that I did a significant rewrite of the original post above to incorporate the ideas that emerged from the discussion. Thanks everyone for the great ideas.

    Sometimes the answer to a mystery is staring you in the face but you can’t see it until you ask the right question.

    What force is powerful enough to synchronize every leader in almost every country to do the wrong thing on almost every covid action without assuming every leader is evil and/or stupid?


    1. This theory also explains another big mystery that has been bugging me.

      Why has almost no one figured out what’s going on, including normally intelligent alt-media?

      Because to understand requires acceptance of the end of growth and overshoot, and that’s not possible for most people due to our species’ tendency to deny unpleasant realities as explained by Varki’s MORT.

      For those that don’t believe the official narrative, it’s ok to blame corrupt pharma, or a scheming WEF, but it’s not ok to blame overshoot.


      1. I second your motion with great acclaim! This is getting good and concrete now and you do have a way of putting it all together so everyone can follow the breadcrumbs. Thanks, Rob, for persevering with this thread. It’s making a lot of sense to me and with every passing day, we are seeing new developments that give more evidence to this theory.

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  14. Here’s an excellent recap on covid and why our leaders are evil by Dr. Bret Weinstein. When you watch this with the hypothesis of my above post in mind, Weinstein’s observations can be viewed in an entirely different light.


  15. Just about all the of the alternative / conspiracy minded people out there believe in infinite growth. They think peak oil, resource shortages and population control are all elite conspiracy theories. They also think free energy has been covered up by energy companies. They believe the government has secret technologies that could solve our problems. That denial gene must come with a healthy dose of creativity 😉


      1. We should make a list of ‘denial mechanisms’. This might help people. If you find yourself thinking these thoughts, maybe double-check to see if your denial mechanism is being triggered.

        Examples of denial mechanisms:
        – They’ll think of something.
        – I’ve heard this warning many times, nothing ever happened.
        – [Famous person] doesn’t believe this. [Smart person] says the opposite.
        – That only mattered in the past.
        – That is only a problem in other countries.
        – Doesn’t feel right.
        – I can’t imagine how this would change. It seems so stable.
        – There might be challenges, but overall life is getting better.
        – It’s just a scare tactic.
        – This seems made up. It’s a lie. It’s a conspiracy theory.
        – They just want you to think that.
        – The science is always changing. The science is settled. (both of these perspectives look like denial to me)
        – I don’t care.
        – People don’t seem worried. Most people don’t think this.
        – It doesn’t really affect me.
        – We have to do something.
        – Things have a way of working out.
        – She’ll be right (a classic kiwi one!)
        – I’m lucky.
        – I don’t worry about something bad happening. It seems highly unlikely.
        – We can’t change people’s minds.
        – It’s the left/right wing’s fault. It’s big business / government’s fault. It’s those people-over-there’s fault.
        – There is evil in the world. There is good in the world.
        – I’ve got more important things to worry about.
        – I’m too busy / stressed to think about this.
        – I don’t like to worry. I just want to live a good life. I want to enjoy my life.
        – God / universe has a plan.
        – This is just a test / challenge. An opportunity to overcome.
        – You have to think positive.

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        1. That’s awesome, monk! I can almost laugh recognising myself in a fair few on that list! Phew, I must be normal-gened after all. Or at least born normal, then something happened along the way because God had a plan and I am here on a mission to save the world. Really, truly.

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          1. I think heaps of these as well, especially when it comes to climate change. It’s too scary for my monkey brain


    1. Yeah, that is exactly the stance of my friend and neighbour up here, with whom I share many other interests like self-sufficiency. Weird, but in a way, what many of the alternative crowd are doing (building community, self-reliance, simplification, rain dances etc…) will be one of the key solutions in transitioning to an overshot society, minus the perpetual energy machines which will take us to Mars and back, of course.

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    2. “That denial gene must come with a healthy dose of creativity”
      That is the only part of your post that is completely agreeable.

      “Just about all the of the alternative / conspiracy minded people out there believe in infinite growth.”
      I am under the impression that 99% of people “believe” in infinite growth. Why do you choose to single out those that are “alternative / conspiracy minded”?

      “They think peak oil, resource shortages and population control are all elite conspiracy theories.”
      I’m lost, it looks a lot like you are saying “conspiracy minded people” think [list of things] are “are all elite conspiracy theories”.

      “They believe the government has …”

      They think, they believe … please raise the bar.

      Rob claims to have few friends. I have one, the partner I currently share my life with. I have no others because too many candidates would readily jump to their go-to phrase “conspiracy” nut. I fully subscribe to the CIA was involved in the death of President Kennedy. Sept 11 2001 looked a lot like a demolition. The moon landing photos as supplied by NASA, have shadows that are not parallel, but diverge, indicative of studio lighting. And on and on.

      Rob is being overly generous with a blanket “You are correct …”, for me, your post lacks any compelling or cogent argument and looks like a short rant. If your post is aimed squarely at people in denial, then I can agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment.


      1. Hamish I don’t like to write essay-type comments on the internet and I like to use hyperbolic language because I have a sense of humour (I’m not a stuffy academic). If you can’t get the gist of what I’m saying, just please ignore. I really enjoy the convos I have with Rob on this blog and am not interested in arguing on language semantics

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        1. This site is a lone voice in a hurricane of unimaginable proportions, it is one of very few that I take the trouble to read and I value it highly.

          Humour is great and I encourage all attempts. Our subject is very dark and levity is always welcome.

          Regarding “just ignore me”, many of your posts are both insightful (showing a clear understanding) and inciteful (invocative). I guess you are suggesting I ignore everything from you, both the good and the nebulous. To ignore you, I would also have to ignore any replies to your posts, or try to fathom context in the dark.

          Once again, it seems my acerbic manner has left me thinking I should just post even less. What about the readers that have not created an account and have no voice – perhaps screw them too? My apologies for interjecting into your “convo”.

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          1. It’s so easy to be misunderstood when not face to face. Thank you for clarifying. I thought from your first post you hated this blog. I’m glad I didn’t flare back.

            Please do keep posting, and now that I know you have good intentions, I will keep my mouth shut and assume the best if you say something that bothers me.


            1. According to Google my first comment was in October 2015. Google’s cache is not accessible, nothing at the Internet Archive and your sites history of comments has a large number of omissions – I think I was being critical of Eric Weinstein.

              More recently in 2019 I posted to correct a link to EnergySkeptic.com https://un-denial.com/2017/01/06/you-know-you-are-in-trouble-when/#comment-3219

              Maybe eight posts over the years. I don’t have much to add to what is already being said. I come here to see updates on any new polymaths that have failed and confirmation of my understanding from you and your choir.

              Your site deserves much wider readership. The seriousness of our dilemma cannot be adequately stated. We face the end of everything:
              – flick a light switch, darkness
              – open a faucet, no water
              – visit a grocery store, empty shelves
              – fuel and energy, unavailable or too expensive
              – try to call 911, get a busy signal, or no answer, or …
              and on and on.

              Of course there will be unending increase in things we do not want – crime, taxes, erosion of liberties, etc. Until the final denouement when a staggering number of us are dead.

              “What are our leaders doing?” Pithy answer – too little, too late and almost entirely wrong.

              Longer answer – Yes it looks too coordinated. Group think maybe or illuminati. Anyone with industry knowledge of clinical trials knows that we were on the receiving end of a massive fraud, regarding the “vaccines”. In the not too distant past, my theory on what was happening in the middle east was the west destroying countries, not to obtain the oil supply, but to permanently destroy the infrastructure and the oil demand from a functioning economy.

              I wondered which country would be next. Looks like The Ukraine.

              We have been in the crash for a number of years. I can only think of two readily identifiable types of crash:
              – managed
              – unmanaged.
              Perhaps what our leaders are doing is their version of a managed crash – since there is no way they can tell us the truth.


              1. Thanks Hamish. Excellent observations.

                I love poking at polymaths. There’s no better proof of Varki’s MORT for me than to find a brilliant intellectual who understands a lot about a lot and nothing about only one thing: overshoot. These people are the norm, not the exception.

                Here are a few more of your best comments over the years. I had to delete the https: prefix for these links to be visible.


              2. I am a highly sensitive person and I absolutely hate to argue about anything personal and I especially hate arguing about what I “meant” by something. However, I will debate ideas until the cows come home because I love it!
                Hamish from what you have said, it seems like you are a bit lonely. Maybe you have a different brain that makes it harder to get on with the NPCs? A different brain can be a blessing though, enabling you to comprehend things normies never could. I think you should post more, and I would humbly suggest focus on attacking the ideas, not the person making them.
                Please know I was never trying to insult anyone by calling them a “conspiracy theorist”. I have simply observed that in the alternative crowds, people are just as in denial about our predicament as the regular joes and janes out there.
                You may be interested know there has been research on “conspiracy theorists” that shows they generally have higher IQs than the population average. But as we have found, people with exceptionally high IQs can still be in denial about the things that really matter.

                By the by, I have observed there a couple of reasons why simple language gets misinterpreted:
                1. It is a common control-abuse tactic of narcissists. They purposely misinterpret simple language, twisting definitions to get the victim defending the wrong thing.
                2. It is autism: the person is unable to read between the lines and understand the intention. They have good intentions and are just trying to make sense of what’s going on. They don’t understand how/why they upset the other person.
                3. It is done on purpose to derail the conversation for another reason. E.g., a troll.

                For example, Hamish I asked, ‘if you can’t get the gist of what I’m saying, please ignore’. I never said, “don’t read my posts.” “Please ignore” is polite and opaque on purpose. It’s much nicer than me writing, “If you don’t agree with something I said, it might be more helpful in future to write a thoughtful rebuttable rather than insulting me.” As it is, it seems like we both have the same ideas about where the world is and where we are heading. Please do post more comments!

                And congratulations you have tricked me into writing an essay haha 😉

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                1. Tis funny – when I read “if you can’t get the gist of what I’m saying, just please ignore” my brain hangs up on what looks like a catch 22.

                  In order to not get the gist, one has to first read the post – but then ignore it. Sure, I acknowledge, this looks a lot like I am hung up on semantics. Your initial reference to conspiracy theorists seeing [elite] conspiracy theories, looked self referential and sent my mind into a loop. My attempt to seek clarity itself lacked clarity and maybe adequate decorum. I hold myself to a high standard that is difficult to satisfy – hence (or thus), few posts.

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      2. And I should also add, I love conspiracy theories and absolutely know some theories become conspiracy fact. I don’t use the term conspiracy theorist as an insult or thought stopper


  16. I’m feeling pretty confident that the hypothesis above explaining the covid insanity is correct. Some of the details may be wrong but I think the broad strokes must be correct.

    You guys and gals are my witnesses that this was the first place on the planet to figure out what’s going on and why, and you’ll note it took Varki’s MORT to make sense of things.

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    1. I think it is very plausible indeed! There is a complete unwillingness from world leaders to let the economy contract as it seems to naturally need to do at this late stage. It is like we have the current system in hospice hoping for a miracle cure

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      1. I think if you wait just a bit longer, you will witness Australia as the first casualty of the inevitable economic free-fall, and probably killed by the medicine intended to save it. Finally the mechanics of Economic Theory will be shown to be powerless in face of systemic reckless disregard for the natural laws of thermodynamics and energy overshoot. As I’ve decried like Chicken Little everywhere today, we’ve just spelled our doom with a shock and awe interest rate hike coming on top of the energy crisis which should be the Tontine therapy needed to finish the job. Tontine is an Australian pillow manufacturer, and that phrase refers to using it to smother a dying patient, to put out of misery.

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    2. I knew we hit gold joining this cool Un-denial secret society club! As a founding member, if I may be so bold as to elevate myself to that, now I desire to get a special badge…

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  17. Jason Burack says the reason for covid lockdowns in China is to kill demand for food and energy shortages…

    Notice that this guy’s comfortable talking about it because he blames bad government policies for shortages, not overshoot.

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  18. Continuing to think out loud here…

    What really is the substance we have been encouraged to inject?
    It is not a vaccine using our historic definition of vaccines because it does not prevent transmission.
    Our leaders didn’t want to stop transmission.
    They wanted a mild sickness that causes panic.
    So they changed the official definition of a vaccine to avoid questions.
    The substance is in fact a medicine that helps prevent serious sickness in at risk people like the elderly, obese, and those with other co-morbidities.
    Our leaders funded creation of the medicine along with the virus because they’re decent people and didn’t want to harm anyone.
    Unfortunately some independent thinking doctors discovered that Ivermectin was also an effective medicine.
    So our leaders aggressively blocked the use of Ivermectin because it jeopardized their vaccine passport plan, and because it was not required since they thought they had a perfectly adequate medicine.
    Vitamin D was also discovered to be effective at preventing sickness, so our leaders did not promote it for the same reason.
    Unfortunately Murphy’s law took over and the medicine promoted variants that are immune to the medicine.
    Luckily the new variants have been mild and our leaders are now praying that Dr. Bossche’s prediction of a deadly variant is not correct.
    Murphy’s law also caused some unexpected negative side-effects of the medicine, but these still pale in comparison to the harms of a financial system collapse, so they stopped collecting and/or distorted the data that illuminates these (hopefully) modest harms.


    1. The big question: Is this a just-so story, or reality?

      Should I add it to the main post above?

      If our healthcare leaders are not evil, why did they suppress early treatment? Because early treatment drugs also work for prevention? Because only the useless eaters were dying? But that makes them evil. But there’s too many healthcare leaders involved for them all to be evil. Maybe the theory should allow for stupid healthcare leaders? Lots of other evidence that healthcare leaders are not bright. What a mindfuck covid is.


      1. I missed the obvious answer to why early treatments were blocked. If people knew there was an effective treatment many would abstain from vaccination, which would have undermined our leader’s plan. I expect our leaders genuinely believed mostly unvaccinated were being hospitalized, and early data probably supported that belief, so we can continue with the assumption that our leaders are not evil nor stupid.

        But is it a just-so story, or reality?


        1. It’s very hard to explain why our leaders are aggressively pushing vaccinations on children that don’t need them and that we should be protecting from unnecessary risk. The explanation is obvious when we understand that health is not the key objective of vaccines.

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          1. The key objective now of the experimental gene mediated therapy is the exact opposite of health, it will be disability, disease, and death. Because if your population is dependent on more drugs, the health and/or social welfare system, or too sick to fight for their rights or just plain dead , then it will be much easier to bring in the new reset. And now if we depend on the State to provide us our housing because of defaulted loans, all part of the Reset agenda, that will come with more strings attached than you can shake a stick at, like taking the next “vaccine”. This is the plan that must be pushed through, above all, they believe the end justifies the means.


        1. To clarify “What a mindfuck covid is.” is entirely accurate. I am still feeling pretty tired 3 weeks after testing positive. I’m not sure if it’s covid legacy symptoms, lack of sleep or the reduction in time outdoors due to shorter wetter days here down south, or some combination of everything including the vaccine – covid soup in my system. I still feel best in the garden or wandering in nature. I’m not a winter person at all.

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          1. Hello there Campbell friend, just sending you some positive thoughts and virtual sunshine from Queensland. Be gentle and easy on yourself, your body is still doing some deep healing and it’s totally natural to feel wiped, that’s the body’s way of asking for more rest. I don’t think we give our bodies enough consideration for doing its best to take care of what needs taking care of, from the molecular level on up and these things take time. It’s wonderful that you’ve got the garden and nature to rejuvenate body, mind, and spirit. I totally understand your physical doldrums in winter–take it from me, I had to actually go to the extreme of shifting myself to a new climate zone as you know! Since we are really just neighbours, you know you’re welcome to visit me here in Far North QLD if you desire a true winter escape at some point. The extra sunshine will work wonders for you, too, I’m sure, and we can wax lyrical over permaculture and you can see what we’re doing here and meet our trees! And as a sign on cue, today I received the Ultimate Fruit and Nuts book that you so kindly suggested to me! Thank you ever so much, it’s simply encyclopaedic! Definitely a resource to treasure, but I won’t be reading it in bed, if I fall asleep and it drops out of my hands, it will probably cause a concussion, it’s that heavy! Tomorrow, after a good night’s sleep, will be another day closer to your regaining full energy. Namaste.


            1. Hi Gaia. Thanks for your kind words and offer of a Queensland escape. Alas my flying days are over having used more than my fair share of aviation fuel supplies in the past.

              Glad the book arrived safely. Funnily enough I am banned from reading hardcover books in bed due to my propensity to fall asleep mid paragraph and the resulting danger the falling object poses to her most precious lying next to me. Enjoy your reading. I’ve been doing some research and investigating local availability of some of those plants you mentioned in a previous comment. A search in progress. Here’s a link to a couple of videos of a walk around our land a couple of months ago in lieu of you visiting in person 😉 https://photos.app.goo.gl/2ETY3noDVzJqFztVA



                1. Thanks Rob. It’s my happy and sane place. With everything that’s happening in the world my wife and I have arrived at focusing on the things we can control. Putting seeds and plants in the soil and letting nature do its thing is a happy balance between control and wonder.

                  The garden is also a great connecting place for people with all sorts of different views on the world. For example we have farming neighbours who are fundamentalist christians who have offered to pray the “franken vax” out of us and believe the government is coming to put them in camps but God will save them. Nikki said she finds God in the garden and could we please have some cow manure for our bananas and boom we have a free supply of manure and neighbours we are now seed and plant swapping with. Ironically we both have an “end of the world” type story and agree growing our own food will be crucial in the near future. Tolerance / acceptance will help us build some neighbourhood resilience. Cheers


              1. Hello Campbell, what a fabulous gift today to receive your personalized tour of your permaculture haven! Thank you so much and I am so thrilled for you and your family that you have found your special land to care for and I can totally see it is nurturing you back. I am going to ear-mark some special time to really enjoy walking down the garden path with you, today I have just started looking at the video before other tasks called me away. But oh how green it is and lush, the bamboo lined drive is very soothing in a way (maybe not if you’re trying to clear it!) and so much of your property is very similar to ours, we planted lots of bamboo here and are in the process of converting it into biochar, along with other uses. We have a special shaped kiln, which is just a moveable firepit that excludes oxygen which is what is needed to create charcoal. Here’s a link to it and they do ship to NZ. Have you considered doing that, and then adding it back into your soil for all the goodness that the stabilized carbon will give. https://www.activevista.com.au/product/pyrolizer-150-litre-biochar-cone-kiln/

                Oh, there’s just so much I want to say (uh oh, that’s trouble!) but suffice it for today that I was just so touched to see your land and what you’re creating with it, and to hear your voice for the first time was special, too. I love the NZ accent! I totally respect and appreciate your desire to stay on your paradise island nation, with the flying days over. Alas, I have not yet reached that noble decision. I am now very keen to make a similar introductory video of our place here in Far North QLD and also Tasmania, if you would be interested, but it may take a little time as first I have to clear 9 months worth of grass first otherwise that would be mostly what you’ll see! Actually, many trees are holding their own now and since we have a true subtropical climate, there are some plants (like bananas) which are in their element (some of our banana clumps are 3 m diameter). I will also have to learn how to post videos as I have never done that before, would you believe that Rob’s blog is the first time I’ve ever publicly posted anything (no, I tell a lie, I used to have several websites for my artwork and holiday accommodation but those are not active now). I like very much your mosaic pizza oven, it’s clear that you have a very creative side, well, the garden is always a masterwork in progress!

                Hope you’re feeling on the up and up. And I will offer my invite to our Tasmanian property, also a neighbouring island and the beauty is, you can reach it by sea! But methinks that cruise ships aren’t your thing either (it’s definitely not mine!) so let’s just be grateful for technology that we can visit and communicate just the same, mind to mind and heart to heart. Namaste.


                1. Hi Gaia. So much gardening / permaculture talk to be had. I added a couple of pictures to the album. You’ll see me with my eldest son and one of our stream in good flow after a recent rain. There’s also a view of the southern half of our land looking back from the highest point across the stream. You’ll see how much bamboo we have. We have a contractor booked in to trim a large proportion of it to let some more light onto the food forest and house. We’re going to mulch some, keep some for landscaping (helping create swales / terraces) and possibly biochar. I think I posted a link a while ago to a YouTube video of our friends food forest. They are big into biochar to help improve their clay soils. Ours being volcanic we are not so driven to make biochar although I know it would still be of great value. Thanks for the link.

                  The pizza oven is Nikki’s design and creation. It was her 40th birthday present to me. The mosaic was done on the day of my birthday collectively by all our family and friends who attended. She is the brains and creative director of the our powerful partnership.

                  There are many different ways to share files online. It would be great to see your piece of paradise some time. Happy gardening. Namaste.


    2. What is the historical definition of vaccines? As far as I understand it, almost no vaccine has been perfect in preventing transmission. Almost none are 100% effective in neutralising the virus they target. But we’ve had many that have been effective enough to either effectively eradicate a virus or subdued it enough to keep it manageable. Even having the disease doesn’t give 100% protection against later infection and the protection wanes over time.


      1. I’m not an expert here. Malone, McCullough, or Weinstein would be better people to ask. The CDC definition of a vaccine was changed to downplay immunity and transmission. I believe Wikipedia was also changed to downplay sterilizing immunity.


    1. that’s a really excellent video, Rob, thanks for posting. i’ve sent it to my teen daughter who has been prescribed SSRIs, against my wishes. i think the premise is obviously true, going back even to Postman’s book, entertaining ourselves to death i think it was called. i agree with your comment, too; when our lives are harder (less fossil fuels), we will find more fulfilment and happiness in simple acts like grinding flour to make bread, rather than wondering which of the 38 artisan breads to choose today.

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  19. It our leaders really did think something like, “We think a not so serious global pandemic exaggerated into a panic is the perfect cover to accomplish all of this.” Then why are they not following through? Why are all leaders now downplaying or even ignoring the pandemic, when they really haven’t achieved their supposed aims? Should we expect another pandemic soon, or are they working on another way to achieve their goals?


    1. A good question that is forcing me to think. There are many things going on.

      Our leaders had three key objectives:

      1) print and hand out gazillions to keep the wheels on
      Done and temporarily under control, can resume printing in future if required now that expectations have been set; new big printing however will probably require a really big crisis now that inflation is a problem

      2) lockdown mechanism for reducing consumption and controlling social unrest
      Done, they now know how to do it, and with a whipped up panic for a new variant or monkeypox could restart lockdowns overnight (note that China is still using lockdowns today to reduce consumption).

      3) vaccine passports
      This did not go as planned thanks to vaccine effectiveness that unexpectedly waned with time, unexpected and worrying side-effects, and new variants that evade the vaccine and that cause very mild sickness. They have not given up and are keeping the engine warm. There’s still an aggressive campaign to discredit any science that questions vaccine effectiveness or safety (see recent study from Israel covered by Martenson today for example). Here in Canada my federal government still has a vaccine passport requirement in place for any travel by plane or train, presumably to keep the necessary infrastructure in place. We’ll probably need a new threat for them to make more progress on the passports/digital currency. If Bossche is right we shouldn’t to have wait long, and if he’s wrong they’ve got monkeypox queued up.


      1. Gosh, such a lot to read in this thread and subthreads and I have hardly started. I may be wrong but most of what I’ve seen so far amount to opinion. There is good reason for some of the opinions but I’m the kind of person who needs more than that, though I can agree with opinions I feel are right (of course).

        As Rob has mentioned, some kind of coordinated plan across the world is unlikely. For this reason, I think COVID-19 was a serious disease that required a serious response. Chris Martenson was crying for it to be declared a pandemic way before WHO did so. I don’t visit Chris’s site much now as he’s tightened up access so much that casual readers, who don’t want to pay, can’t participate.

        I agree with some of the characterisation of the vaccines but I do know that they were effective for a time as I followed the stats quite closely. Perhaps that suggests they could be again. I don’t really have any concerns with the vaccines except that I’d rather not put something other than food in my body without a good reason. Some of the wilder claims about the vaccines seem to not have much evidence and are largely pushed by people with subscription channels that make them a lot of money.

        I may have more to say if I can find time to digest the comments here (though I’m currently doing some hobby programming to track NZ covid stats, which is taking up a lot of my time). I’d just say that theories which smack of conspiracy theories don’t often appeal to me.


        1. You must have misunderstood me. I think a coordinated plan is required to explain why pretty much every leader in almost every country did exactly the opposite of the right thing when it came to covid policies. That can’t be explained by incompetence or coincidence, and I don’t believe they are all evil or stupid, which means there must be some plan other than that publicly declared.


          1. OK, I did misunderstand you. I believe you questioned how even countries that don’t exactly see eye to eye on most things somehow managed to do so on this (more or less). When it comes to actions taken, countries took somewhat different actions so I doubt that almost all were the exact opposite of what should have been done. However, no-one really knows what should have been done, though there are many opinions, of course. What I saw was a lot of countries struggling to come up with coherent approaches. Some approaches seemed to work for a while (studies suggested that an elimination strategy actually worked out well for those countries that tried it – for a while). Some countries were reluctant to do anything until it was clear their health systems were being, or in danger of being, overwhelmed. So no coordination that I could see. No-one took Chris Martenson’s simple guidelines on dealing with it (something like: stop new cases coming into the country, proper and widespread face mask usage and a couple of other steps).

            I agree, though that they aren’t all evil or stupid. My take is that they are all humans and so perhaps can’t be expected to behave in a rational way (humans, by and large, are not rational beings).


    2. Hi there Mike, hope you are going well. I think they have more than achieved their aims with this pandemic, in addition to what Rob just outlined, we must remember that they got more than half the world’s population to take vaccine and the majority of Western countries. The after-effects of this experiment are still being played out and whether they cast the undesirable health effects as long Covid rather than due to the vaccine, we are looking at significantly more dependent people in the near future, ie, needing boosters to keep up immune response, needing more drugs, health care. They can keep printing the money to support this sicker sector for some time, but in the meantime, it will make it easier to bring in any new regulatory policies, as people will have to go along just to survive. What other choice will they have if they need the medications or other critical services and rely on the State? It makes some sense to me that countries like Australia and Canada that have a population that is totally reliant on the public health service will be easier to manipulate, the UK is much more unwieldy demographically but still applies there. Just thinking our loud here, good to have all input to help navigate through these unchartered waters.


    3. An addendum, I think the leaders are downplaying the more and more obvious data that the Covid vaccines are neither safe nor effective, for obvious reasons that they have allowed them to pass through without adequate testing and it would now cause too much unrest/panic to openly admit fault. If they wait long enough, most of the population will get Covid of one form or another in different levels of severity, depending on immune status and other factors, but still mostly mild with the current variant forms. They can continue to credit this (the milder illness) to the efficacy of the vaccine, as they have been doing ever since as the one trick pony, once they could no longer hide the fact the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection or transmission. And then, when most of the population gets Covid, then everyone is a candidate for all the various ills of so-called long Covid, which will be the umbrella to hide all the possible vaccine injuries and unexplained adverse health outcomes. Which is what will be touted, and then the State will do the “right” thing and support their population through, (and big Pharma will remain ready for endless ka-chinging) but with the caveat that things will be handled differently, you will need the digital vaccine/health record passport (for your security and best standard of care), and of course, digital currency and linked accounts are next. Am I making any sense here or should I just put a sock in my rambling?

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      1. Gaia, you’ve proposed a very big departure from my theory (and in an earlier comment above).
        You are suggesting that thousands of leaders from hundreds of countries have intent to harm people with vaccines, and not one person has broken ranks with remorse and spilled the beans.
        I think it very unlikely there is that much coordinated evil in the world.
        My theory also supports a Great Reset, but without assuming all of our leaders are evil.
        Do you really believe what you’re suggesting?

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        1. “You are suggesting that thousands of health leaders from hundreds of countries have intent to harm people with vaccines, and not one person has broken ranks with remorse and spilled the beans.”

          This is odd. From my perspective I see a lot of people spilling the beans and have been doing so since the beginning. I collected so many bookmarks, that I had to separate them into their own folder.

          Karl Denninger (who I do not care for, but still regularly read) has been definitively correct since early 2020.
          VERS whistle blower, Deborah Conrad (Censored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIydr2ZqZto)
          Mirrored to https://www.bitchute.com/video/lRmzNJiujzzx/
          Texan Pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole March 2021 presenting to other “white coat types” https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
          Dr Nathan Thompson, October 2021 “My Jaw Dropped When I Tested Someone’s Immune System After The Second Jab” https://www.bitchute.com/video/AfV3xCaPsHci/
          Karen Kingston: FDA Letter Warns of Unknown JAB Side Effects https://dougbillings.us/video/karen-kingston-fda-letter-warns-of-unknown-jab-side-effects-shedding-birth-defects-death/
          Dr Richard Fleming a Nuclear and Preventive Cardiologist : Pfizer Vaccine Causes Blood Clots https://rumble.com/voalls-dr.-richard-fleming-pfizer-vaccine-causes-blood-clots-under-microscope.html
          Mises Institute : With Low Vaccination Rates, Africa’s Covid Deaths Remain Far below Europe and the US https://mises.org/wire/low-vaccination-rates-africas-covid-deaths-remain-far-below-europe-and-us
          Anything by Dr Charles Hoffe here https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=hoffe&kind=video
          Prof. of Clinical Psychology Mattias Desmet : Why do so many still buy into the narrative? Sept 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=uLDpZ8daIVM
          Malone, McCullough, et al. This could be a very long list.

          I stopped collecting the bookmarks when it became an academic exercise; for me it is case closed. The jabs are definitively unsafe and ineffective, confer almost no benefit but do confer enormous risk : compromised immune systems and damage to the smallest blood vessels in the body, those around the alveoli in the lungs.

          Sadly, half of my siblings got the jab, they now rely on happenstance – did they get a dose from a “bad batch”?

          Mass Formation Psychosis / Denial

          A handful of people at the top are evil – Anthony Fauci, Peter Daszak, the board of Pfizer, etc. Everyone else went along with “believing” what they were told (with a biblical dose of denial), in order to keep their jobs – Doctors were threatened with loss of license if they prescribed Ivermectin, pharmacists refused to fill the prescriptions. Ros Atkins (BBC) portrayed Ivermectin as “horse medicine” completely ignoring the fact that it is handed out in dozens of countries like freaking candy, it is factually safer than aspirin. The BBC tried to “fact check” Dr. John Campbell and (ironically) proved why it actually cannot be trusted!

          It is truly STAGGERING to witness what has happened – perhaps not being in denial makes it possible to see.

          The behaviour of so many in the medical field is reprehensible, unforgivable.

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          1. Thanks Hamish.

            I think we’re talking about different beans being spilt.

            I’m familiar with many of the whistleblowers & skeptics you provided, and I have a huge collection of my own links saying similar things.

            These are people who through personal experience or analysis of data have concluded that the official covid story and policies do not make sense. Most of these people assume that our officials have been corrupted by pharma money. I used to share this view. In fact I wrote this summary which at that the time I thought captured reality nicely:

            Follow the covid money:
            1) Politicians depend on pharma donations.
            2) News & social media depend on pharma ads.
            3) Scientists depend on pharma contracts.
            4) Pharma CEOs depend on profit growth.
            5) Regulators depend on pharma royalties.

            I now think there are too many threads of evidence and too much global synchronicity for corrupt pharma money to be a sufficient explanation. For example: lab leak not investigated, WHO allowing early spread, too good to be true vaccine development time, suspicious pre-existing patents, ineffective mask policies, ineffective lockdown policies, vaccinating children, illogical vaccine passports rules, and China with a different pharma industry following the same playbook.

            That’s not to say pharma corruption did not have a role, but I think that role was along for the ride, and is not driving the bus.

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but none of the whistleblowers and skeptics you’ve found have spilled beans that say they know the real driver of covid is an attempt to prevent, and if necessary be prepared for, economic system collapse.

            It’s still entirely possible that pharma corruption is the complete story. But I’m now leaning to the above theory as being more probable. For me it ties up all the threads of evidence, and relies on personal preservation of wellbeing for the synchronicity and silence, and does not require us to assume that thousands of probably decent health ministers want to harm people with vaccines, and not one has remorse.


            1. Sure, I agree that the people I’ve listed are not “internal” whistle blowers per se. We likely both know that real whistle blowing is unlikely – if the whistle blower values their own life or that of their loved ones and I mean that sincerely. A known tactic of the DOJ is to pursue family members or conduct “lawfare” – bankrupting the people they pursue, even if the victim ultimately prevails.

              Reality Leigh Winner was undone by the tiny dots from a colour printer (thanks to The Intercept), Bradley/Chelsea Manning boasted online, Edward Snowden lives in exile. The Obama, Trump and Biden administrations all seem bent on crucifying whistle blowers and their publishers, but only if it is Julian Assange.

              ” … and does not require us to assume that thousands of probably decent health ministers want to harm people with vaccines”

              I am not sure that anyone is specifically stating that all of the parties responsible are limited to the single characteristic ‘evil’. I think for many, it is just go-along to get-along, fear of career damage, etc.

              I have met many people over the years that are ostensibly very nice people, yet their jobs required them to (legally) harm others. Like Nate Hagens, my background includes investment banking (software development for both Prime Broker and Risk Management). Movies like The Big Short (Steve Carell, Christian Bale) and Margin Call (Jeremy Irons, Kevin Spacey) are much closer to the truth than most people can fathom.

              Look at Kenneth Lay, Jeffrey Skilling (Enron), Bernie Madoff, Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos). Is mens rea required for acts to be considered evil? Plenty of other people knew what was going on and did almost nothing (maybe quit) – does that make them innocent or evil?

              It was not clear in my post. I think the only truly evil people are at the top. Fauci et al. The health officials at State level, likely chose not to question the message emanating from the federal government (Fauci). Witness that multiple Executive Orders (from the White House) were deemed by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional. Also that the CDC/NIH (or whoever) did not have the authority to mandate a shot for large employers, or the authority to impose an eviction moratorium. The only mandate that stood, was the CMS (Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services) requirement for vaccines to health care providers and I think even that was a bad ruling.

              Many employers were a little too keen to enforce an unconstitutional mandate i.e. actually illegal – and yet no prosecutions. The EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) was for an ‘experimental’ drug that required an “informed consent” that included an acknowledgement of a waiver of the right to sue for any damages. That in itself is evil incarnate.

              Why did so many other countries fall in line? We will likely never know the truth and are left to speculate. Undoubtedly denial played an enormous role.


              1. I think if this was a US only phenomenon I would definitely agree with your view. But this is a global, with a strange synchronicity between countries that often go in a different directions than the US, just on principal.

                A Canadian, or a Dutch, or a Swedish whistleblower does not have to worry like a US whistleblower does.
                The health minister of Belgium has no fear of Fauci.
                The Chinese are not influenced by Pfizer.

                Why the global synchronization on all the wrong decisions, unless the wrong decisions are part of a plan?

                For you the global nature may be a curiosity. For me it is central.


                1. I think we are both familiar with the anecdote of ‘design by committee’ a pejorative term for a project that has many designers involved but no unifying plan or vision.

                  I agree with you that the appearance of global synchronization is an indicator of something – but I have no firm conjecture as to its nature. Other than perhaps a small number of people are involved (not a committee).

                  We may be witnessing Joseph Tainter’s complexity first hand. There are likely an enormous number of people that lie on a continuum ranging from evil, through malfeasance, moral turpitude to staying silent (arbitrary categories).

                  Neither of us really know the full capabilities of Pfizer. To take your last example “The Chinese are not influenced by Pfizer.” That may be true. Equally it may be false. A tactic used by the Chinese to control it’s people that are overseas is to threaten their family at home. How many (influential) people in China have sons and/or daughters abroad and Pfizer has arranged a discrete chat with them. You might be tempted to scoff and say that is the stuff of movies – but there is no way it can be ruled out.

                  I lean towards Pfizer, Fauci and Daszak are/were driving the bus. Pfizer may be conducting a variation of a Control Fraud – a term coined by William Black when investigating the 1980s Savings and Loan crisis.

                  The semi-managed collapse suits the elite, one last giant suck from the feeding trough. They want a bifurcation.


                  1. Sorry, I shouldn’t have used the Pfizer example because I have no understanding of their presence in China. My point was that I think China has their own vaccine.

                    I lean towards Pfizer, Fauci and Daszak are/were driving the bus. Pfizer may be conducting a variation of a Control Fraud – a term coined by William Black when investigating the 1980s Savings and Loan crisis.

                    That’s what I believed until recently but it left too many nagging questions. And if true, is desperately depressing for any non-US citizen who thought their governments could chart an independent path around obviously corrupt US leaders like Fauci/Daszak.


                    1. Reality should be depressing for both non-US and US citizens/subjects alike. I am far too jaded and cynical to think that voting makes any difference. i.e. there are no governments in charge. The corporations, via lobbying, regulatory capture and the revolving door are in charge. As the late George Carlin said “it’s a big club and we are not in it”.

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        2. Hi everyone, in this near infinite solution space we’re openly conversing in, I am just trying on different hats and putting it all out there for your perusal and robust discussion, which I, too, crave. Thank you all for bearing with me.

          My musings do not necessarily preclude that our leaders or even their handlers are evil, and I have said this before, although other commenters I see do believe in an element of pure evil. Once again, I turn to the word expedient and maximising what is the current state of affairs as a “game” to bring about the most desired consequences.

          Perhaps most of the leaders truly understood the necessity of this Great Reset and how the pandemic would help bear it out. Perhaps they believed the vaccine would be effective, although it still beggars belief that they would not think it could have significant adverse affects given it was a new type of mechanism of action and the testing was woefully lacking. But given benefit of the doubt, all went along with the course of action and as each country fell into lockstep with slightly varying obedience, that sealed the course of action for all.

          Once it become obvious that the vaccines were less than successful (to put it mildly) and may even be causing irreparable harm, then the only mitigating solution that could still fit was to ignore all the data and push on with the initial plan, otherwise the mass panic that they were trying to avoid with the economic/energy collapse would have been incendiary as humans really don’t appreciate being lied to (even if not on purpose) and especially when their health is at stake.

          But, heavy doses of denial on both sides have helped keep things more or less on course as no-one can face the true repercussions of what has occurred, all of it, the world being re-invented more or less in the past two years and now we all just take it as the new normal. The continued pressure to keep up the vaccines and boosters, although losing some steam, is necessary to keep up the initial narrative that this is the only solution to end the pandemic, and also serves to justify to all those who already got the vaccine that their acquiescence was a rightful and positive thing, and none shall easily escape what they underwent, including any and all consequences, for better or for worse.

          Somehow for many people, it makes them feel better if no-one has a choice if they didn’t, and especially if that choice led to a negative outcome, even if it is just still getting the virus and a mild course, because everyone knows they still took the risk of the experimental shot.

          I am still trying to work out why the press to give the shots to children, and I think part of it, at least for the majority of the countries, it’s just following through the initial plan of blanket coverage of the population to make it coherent that this is a serious pandemic and the government cares for all the people. Besides, by this time, for a significant portion of the population, the fear that was successfully inculcated (constant reporting of cases, deaths, lockdowns, masking) made it easy for them to want protection for their children, it was something active one could do to care for them, with the added validation that it was the right thing because you care so much, when everything you wished for your child was taken away with the lockdowns and just generally depressed atmosphere for youngsters these past few years.

          Most people do not have a clue about relative risk, absolute risk, and risk/benefit ratios, so as long as the experts tell them this is the best thing for them and their child, and also to protect grandmother, then there’s no reason not to comply. However, a few nations have notably stopped recommendation for vaccinating children (Denmark, Sweden) so it is also clear that some leaders recognise these markers, for me, that is the closest thing to publicly owning up to the fact there’s something not totally congruent with the program.

          Another reason, and now it gets murkier but still serves a purpose for the end game, is that a great majority of the population needs to be inoculated in order to get rid of any control group which may show up significantly different outcomes, and that will start the mass panic and anger.

          Now that it is clear that everyone is still susceptible to Covid, or maybe even more so, the tone in the media is turning to normalizing that fact (telling everyone that you will get it, and maybe even more than once or twice, this is regular MSN in Australia) and painting the vaccine as the reason the cases are milder, so everyone still thinks they went through the hell for some benefit.

          You can insert here what I wrote earlier about the mitigation strategies in place for if and when the population shows untoward longer term effects of the virus or vaccine, they will have to call it Long Covid or come through with another distractionary pandemic to confuse the symptomatology.

          But health and economic woes are a very good prerequisite for the accepted digitalization of the population, so this perhaps unseen departure from the original narrative can be used for purpose. Everything is managed for keeping society going in some coherent fashion until the new rules are firmly in place, and if done skillfully enough, it will be a “smooth” segue that vast majority of the population will just perceive as the natural order of things–war, energy crises, climate disasters, food shortages, runaway inflation, repos not withstanding.

          This is the game that all the leaders are playing and I think they are responding as it goes, but some may think there is yet another layer to the agenda, and there are days I have that in my head, too. But at the end, it is the desired result that matters and how to get there. So, no, I do not think our leaders are evil, they are players of the greatest order (some more skillful than others, and some approaching mastery of the game).

          The game board is the way the world is now, geopolitical, biosphere, population, energy, all of it. It’s the most complex tableau that we’ve ever had in all of our known history. They are the ones (chosen or otherwise) that have led us into this game and we have to count on them to see us through. I think we are approaching the endgame now, so every move is critical and any errors (or mis-choices) will have overarching reverberations.

          I don’t think what I set out here detracts from your working theory, Rob, on the contrary, I think it fits into the single focus intent of seeing the new world order in place, come hell or high water (most likely both).


          1. Gaia, Gaia, Gaia, for the sake of my sanity please use some paragraphs. 🙂 I’m a software developer and my brain crashes without subroutines. I’m going to add a few paragraphs to your comment and if I get it wrong you can give me shit. When done I’ll come back and comment on the content.


            1. Thank you for making my shit easier for my own self to read. I am a stream, nay, river of consciousness type of person when it comes to writing my thoughts and I apologise for making your (and others) head spin in the whirlpool of verbosity and lack of formatting.

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          2. I’m back, and you made a ton of excellent points.

            If I’m reading it right, you think preparation for economic collapse might have jumped on board, aka “never let a good crisis go to waste”, but you think it’s normal human intellectual weaknesses and emotions that are driving the bus.

            You might be right. I’m going to sleep on it and then re-read in the morning before deciding if I should change my theory.


            1. Rob, you and I both have (I assume) considerable knowledge of computing. There are no end of massive Information Technology systems, running into the millions of dollars, that have been abandoned.

              The Great Reset / New World Order and “digitalization of the population” referred to by Gaia Gardener above, surely both depend on computer systems. A massive undertaking to be financed by who? Also if Covid (Virus/Vaccine/Withholding treatment) was about depopulation and/or managed collapse, then surely the loss of infrastructure would be part and parcel of the collapse.

              Gaia Gardener is too generous calling it a game being played by “players of the greatest order”. I see chaos and “leaders” running around like fools trying to put out fires, not realizing they themselves are being played.

              Artificial Intelligence, Nuclear Fusion, Great Reset – too much like the national animal of Scotland.


            2. Hi Rob and friends, hello Hamish, nice to meet you here. I’ve taken some time to digest all the following discussion and I am taking the middle path if anything to be devil’s advocate (or Buddha’s!)

              Here I make a new paragraph, I should receive a small treat? Rob, you know that I have always had a thought for the Hidden Hand as I called it from my first communication to you, that has been guiding human affairs for some long time, whether one can call it evil or just powerful. On the other hand, in human affairs there is always a choice to make from what is before us, however limited, and nothing is set in stone so no one outcome is guaranteed, especially in light of human foibles and emotions. The agenda may have started one way but can be overtaken by other events. The point is the movie (or game) is not finished and ever changing. We, the people, are not helpless in this and may very well have shifted the trajectory, even an infinitesimally small change of course over the scale we are proposing can point us into a different direction. But I do concur that the current driver, for whatever ultimate reason, is a force hitherto unchallenged and seemingly omnipotent in scope. We are as pointing at the moon and can call it in terms of denial, overshoot, economic collapse and reset, depopulation, saving the biosphere or whatever human centred idea and action space , but these are the only frameworks we can live by and understand, there may be others that we cannot or will not. Pure power, for instance, needs no reason. And for those who wish to name it so, neither does evil.

              However this conjecture and it gets more and more into the philosophical, it is still the physical realm in which we are to live and breathe and that is why we have come together in an attempt to reconstruct our world view so we may have some sort of guide for how to live day by day to our fullest, and it seems for our species, the knowing of why is fundamental to our being and wholeness. We are here doing this and asking that because we are being human, and there is no other game in town for us.

              It is rather late in the evening (I am an incorrigible night owl) and today I’ve already used up my posting space (and then some) but before I leave it for tonight, may I cast another stone for your choice to pick up in your hand and then do as you will. We are carefree to call what we can judge and removed from us, evil or immoral. But in truth, I own that we all have the seeds of every human possibility in us and we have all been complicit in the same quality of thoughts and deeds. Have we not benefitted from physical and economic exploitation of countless other humans for whom we did not have a care for their welfare, past, present or future? We have not been able to feed those who are our closest kin, not because we cannot, but because we will not. Now, the spectre of food insecurity casts its shadow upon us, the dominant Western world, after many generations of indulgent abundance, who should think pityingly for us, we who have forgotten the hunger of those we deem lesser. Now we know what it feels to have succour withheld, even the most basic and available. Or, trying this on for size, how do we justify the inhumane torture we have inflicted upon countless billions of other sentient life forms, our working and factory farmed animals? If it takes AI to learn their language before we humans can understand that they, too, can suffer, then we are a desperately misguided species indeed. Now we know what it means and feels to be experimented on without consent, have a taste of being caged, unable to feel the sunshine or walk on the green grass, muzzled and tagged and prodded and injected. Now we know what it means to be a means to an end, just a cog in some other person’s agenda, who cares not for our face or name. Now we know what it means to be reduced to a number, a code, an implanted chip. Now we know what planned obsolescence feels like, perhaps even earmarked and queued for death, to be an expedient in another’s game whom we can never touch or even know. Everything that has been done to us, we have already done with the same intention, from indifference to calculated gain. Could it also be denial that keeps us from seeing and feeling this?

              In this evolutionary improbability that we call existence on this planet, life is always searching and reaching for a place in the cosmos, and we are only a part that can begin to imagine the whole. Somehow we have created our goodness as well as evil, when the universe continues just to be. We are the ones imagining meaning but that is the birth right of our species, our brains and hearts forever fused. I am humbly trying to express in this limited form of words, creating and transmitting thoughts from one conscious being to another, is that we have the choice of perception and the ability to turn that mirror onto ourselves, maybe this is the ultimate defining of Homo sapiens. We are our own creator and destroyer, and we are our own witness.

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            3. Your explanations make a lot of sense Gaia, and may be more probable than my theory, especially if we focus on the vaccines in isolation of everything else that happened. When I look at the totality of the things done wrong, and the eerie global synchronicity, I continue to believe we need another explanation.

              So many examples I could give that trouble me, but here’s just one. Why hasn’t a single country, especially one not fond of the US, called out Fauci’s involvement in the Wuhan lab, published everything they know, and demanded an aggressive investigation to ensure it never happens again?


              1. Hi Rob,

                I’ve been offline for a few days, just other good stuff to get done in the garden and finally catching up on some sleep due from late night posting! I am still not clear that your suppositions are too different to mine, just the inner workings may have different fleshing out. In my opinion, everything makes the best possible logical sense if there is one overarching main driver to all of this, but because of the complexity our world, it presents as many different spheres of influence and domains. As I’ve tried to explain, my bias for this may be grounded in my medical training, where I learned that a complex presentation, symptomatology-wise, most likely has one ultimate common cause.

                My clearest answer to your above question, and maybe all of them, lies in perhaps the main issue in which we have the most differing opinions, and here I triple qualify that mine is entirely without concrete proof and probably never will have, except for the achievement of the ends I believe is only possible because of this theory. Your main driver is a situation, a human created one over hundreds of years leading up to our overshoot and subsequent more tangible and immediate economic doom. My suggestion is the driver is actually a cartel (for lack of better term) of the most powerful humans over perhaps the past centuries who have actually had a major hand in creating these situations. In the beginning of our Western history, they were the kings and religious elites, because that was the main scope of the governing the populace at that time. With the emergence of more robust trade, a merchant class, and being able to exploit the physical energy of others (slaves) through virtue (not a good choice of term!) of Guns, Germs, and Steel, the powerful nations of the time solidified their dominance. With the discovery and harnessing of fossil fuels and the entry into the industrial age, the world stage was irrevocably theirs to set whomever and whatever they wished.

                The power players are not the heads of government, that was long abandoned when it was clear true power could decide who were the pawns to be placed into these roles which the populace seemed so fawning the have and swear allegiance to. Even the idea of democracy has been a useful tool, the illusion that we have choice. It seems that as long as the governed could check off one box instead of another, they are content to believe they have the power of a free people, but who guides and allows those candidates to be even on the ballot? The key evolutionary tactic, the one Ring that rules them all, was the guided creation of the banking system, and thus programming into modern economic theory under which all must conform. From there, juggernaut military-industrial complexes allowed the dominant countries to run roughshod over the globe, not only warring to change resource boundaries and alliances, but manipulating and exploiting the rest of the developing world to groom them into submission. Whoever controls the money, can spin and control all, and whoever has the most guns, gets to keep that control. The power needs only begin at one source and over time and insidiousness, the control will be effectively total. Look at Rome, look at the British Empire, what we have inherited now is just a continuation of what was already laid out as a pattern and foundation, far more complex and pervasive now to be able to control our very physical organism through mandated procedures and thoughts through communication programming, maybe eventually even our organic minds in AI. And now, it matters not if there is a concrete physical crowned head to the Hydra that we can find and name, the whole geopolitical planet has become the living, breathing, self-directing Frankenstein of their making, and indeed, it has taken a life of its own. The makers (or rather, the descendants, not necessarily genetic but ideological, of the original players) perhaps now see their creature is truly become a monster and will take out our whole biosphere with its mad trampling, and all life is at stake. It is time to rein the leviathan in, but it is proving not straightforward.

                No one who can (that is, having the ability and capacity to do so) call out any of this will because it will collapse the beast before the life support system for the rest of us is fully in place. The aim is not resolution of Covid, of transparency, making restitution. We are asking the wrong question in that. We are now getting more truth in asking “Why Covid needed to happen in the way it did and what did it accomplish that was critical to have kept our leaders for the most part in lockstep?” The majority whom we call world leaders are still living in the geopolitical world that they have been groomed into, and given their brief of preventing total chaos of their people whilst the economic collapse can be staged–we agree that this level of leadership can understand this level of emergency and have been given agency to act. I say our leaders have acted with some mastery because they have been able to follow their given script quite faithfully through till now, and whether or not they admit or know their true handlers, all is a means to an end and becomes logical semantics. The majority of our health leaders are minions to Big Pharma and have their reputations totally at the stake ready to burn, most humans are not brave enough to light what would be their own funeral pyre. Besides, I do think everyone, whatever their domain of influence and power, thought they were doing the right thing, at the time, and even now, they are thinking they are doing the right thing for this new time. The stage has shifted, terrain has changed, but still the goal of keeping the populace as numbed as possible throughout this great transition, that is the only demand, and through the one ring of power, all must obey. For even our leaders now know, their only hope for survival, and that of their progeny, depends on this Plan A to come into fruition, having no Plan or Planet B.

                I hope the above (and hey, I tried to make paragraphs!) fleshes out a bit more what my thinkings are after many, many seasons (decades) of deliberation. I know there are many who share these views which we all have arrived at by using our eyes focussed on history and seeing the facts of the present. There will not be any proof, we are the living proof in the pudding, and what a deep pudding we are in! Maybe we can eat our way out of it, denial to the rescue always!


                  1. Hello Rob, again just thinking for you and the hard news you received today. I didn’t realise that when I wrote the above as I hadn’t scrolled all the way through, otherwise I would have withheld it until a more opportune time. Please don’t think you need to reply in any time frame, just take care of yourself is my wish for you.
                    I’d like you to know that in Gail’s passing I have been given an introduction to this sparkling human being and now I have a whole treasure trove of her blog to discover whom I am sure is a kindred spirit. I am so glad for you that you had the blessing of being her friend, and I hope you know that your friendship is a state of being that continues.

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                    1. No problem but thanks for the thought. I recently had a brutal tragedy in my close family so I’m getting used to grief. My coping mechanism is probably a form of denial by keeping my mind busy with other thoughts.

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    2. Sheldon Yakiwchuk is a Canadian doing good skeptical analysis of covid data. He has an active Twitter feed and likes to demolish “experts” that are wrong. He publicly asked who should I take down next? So I introduced myself as a fellow Canadian truth seeker and offered him my theory.

      It was a MORT experiment. My hypothesis was that because I linked covid to overshoot, no one would say anything, neither for or against my theory. Just the silence of denial.

      So far my hypothesis is correct. We’ll see what tomorrow brings.


  20. With gas skyrocketing, and nuclear war threatening, and food shortages looming, and repo creaking, and covid mindfucking us, let’s not forget the climate is spinning out of control.

    We had the wettest April ever here and June is on track to follow. First cut hay is 2 weeks and counting late here because the fields are too wet.

    Friend Panopticon today provides a nice roundup of climate news from around the world. I see Australia is now forced to eat cabbage on their KFC chicken burgers.


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    1. Hey, I’m a confirmed cabbage head, this humble member of the brassica family is far more nutritious than lettuce any day! Kale also makes a regular appearance at my table, and for those of you not yet acquainted with this powerhouse green, do try a bunch this week (if it’s not $10 a head like lettuce is here in some places in Australia). Chop it up fine so it stir-fries more easily or go the other way and slow cook in stews or soups. If you’re really interested, I will share with you my favourite way of eating kale, and that is raw in a salad, you have to finely slice it and then massage it with avocado for 3-4 minutes, add lemon juice and other seasonings of choice (onion/garlic/spices) and it is just delicious! You know, it is rather a nice change to talk cabbage in between all the heavy stuff of Covid and the all the rest.


      1. Thanks! Kale is excellent but I think cabbage is a better SHTF food.

        Preptip: Cabbage is the perfect fresh vegetable for the end of the world. It’s healthy, high in fiber, inexpensive, has an outstanding shelf life in the fridge, is dense so takes up little precious fridge space, can be eaten raw as salad, fried, steamed, roasted, or chopped into a soup or dal, can substitute for lettuce, and it’s the easiest of all vegetables to ferment if you don’t have electricity for a fridge or you love delicious sauerkraut or kimchi.

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        1. Wow. And I thought I was a cabbage head! Love all of it, Rob, good onya! However, cabbage is no longer as inexpensive as it used to be here in Australia, at least in the subtropics where it’s not as easily grown. At the supermarket today, a head is going for $10. Still good value given what you can make of it, really we should think all our food is totally undervalued if we factor in the missing energy input. All it takes is trying to grow some of your own and anyone can appreciate the untold effort but also satisfaction.

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    1. Too improbable for me. I think any plausible theory must assume the health minister of my or your province is a fairly decent human being not too different than our next door neighbors.


      1. This article is in denial of limits to growth, none the less it is still informative.


        In 1972, the Club of Rome’s founder Aurelio Peccei had published his controversial book “The Limits to Growth”, a book that had been commissioned by the Club of Rome and which took a Malthusian approach to overpopulation. The book would call into question the sustainability of global economic growth and Peccei would be invited by Schwab to make the keynote speech at the 1973 World Economic Forum. This risqué public relations strategy paid dividends for Schwab and his organisation. From that point on, the forum would grow in size, scale and power. But it all began with a CIA-funded course run by Henry Kissinger at Harvard.


        1. The Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth study, which was led by Dr. Dennis Meadows and his wife Dr. Donella Meadows, was THE most important piece of work our species has ever denied, and that denial will go down in history as the biggest mistake an advanced civilization ever made.


  21. Diversion, the Primary Strategy
    Experience has prevent that the simplest method of securing a silent weapon and gaining control of the public is to keep the public undisciplined and ignorant of the basic system principles on the one hand, while keeping them confused, disorganized, and distracted with matters of no real importance on the other hand.
    This is achieved by:

    disengaging their minds; sabotaging their mental activities; providing a low-quality program of public education in mathematics, logic, systems design and economics; and discouraging technical creativity.
    engaging their emotions, increasing their self-indulgence and their indulgence in emotional and physical activities, by:
    unrelenting emotional affrontations and attacks (mental and emotional rape) by way of constant barrage of sex, violence, and wars in the media – especially the T.V. and the newspapers.
    giving them what they desire – in excess – “junk food for thought” – and depriving them of what they really need.

    rewriting history and law and subjecting the public to the deviant creation, thus being able to shift their thinking from personal needs to highly fabricated outside priorities.
    These preclude their interest in and discovery of the silent weapons of social automation technology.
    The general rule is that there is a profit in confusion; the more confusion, the more profit. Therefore, the best approach is to create problems and then offer solutions.

    Diversion Summary
    Media: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real social issues, and captivated by matters of no real importance.
    Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics, real law, and real history.

    Entertainment: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth-grade level.

    Work: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back on the farm with the other animals.


  22. I’d like to add a couple of data points from NZ.
    1. We had over a year with practically no covid. Initially, the theory was this would give ample time to prepare our health system for the inevitable onslaught. However, our government did very little preparation. There was no increase to ICU capacity for example. We still have shocking resource shortages in the health sector. All the hope was pegged to vaccines saving the day. There was no plan B. Judging by the latest propaganda, I mean ads, it looks like they are nervous they won’t even be able to handle a severe flu season!!

    A recent increase in heart attacks is being blamed on people working from home. At home, you are further away from a defibrillator. If you get a heart attack at work, a defib might save your life. From what I understood, defibs aren’t that effective. Would a portion of office workers working from home really dramatically increase our heart attack rates? Could there be other reasons for the increase, e.g. unhealthy habits developed over lockdowns. I don’t know, but I’m putting this out there.


    1. Yes, there is also the possibility that the vaccinations are causing inflammation of the heart and setting up clotting, micro and macro. The incidence of heart issues in all age groups have increased, how do you explain that for children? The notion that you are endangered working from home because lack of a defibrillator is the most ludicrous suggestion I have heard to explain the increase, but now there may very well be a reason to invest in a portable one (market opportunity!) For every unhealthy habit developed during lockdown, there would have been healthy ones, too, and humans have undergone untold stress in history and never heart disease was this rife. And what of all the in-their-prime athletes that have collapsed in front of our eyes? This was a new phenomena, and occurring after the vaccines. Not proof, but seriously suggesting looking at causality, which is the best we can go by and that should have led to more robust investigation. We can’t say that the athletes were locked down and didn’t exercise enough for the year and then when they were physically challenged, they couldn’t handle it and collapsed from deconditioning! Thankfully there are usually defibrillators at sports fields. If we can only access more autopsies after sudden deaths we may see concrete gross and microscopic evidence as some researchers have reported, but for some reason, these are not forthcoming. We cannot give cause for any doubt and thus panic. That is the mantra now. I thought I could end today’s offering with cabbage, but sigh, I was mistaken.

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          1. The limits to growth was the keynote speech at the 1973 World economic Forum the second one after the first. I put the article in there so people could read that people like Henry Kissinger, Karl Schwaabs professor at Harvard are not ignorant of resource limits.

            I won’t quote anybody else if you don’t like it and I never denied overshoot. I am simply making the case that the people at the top, the ones grooming world leaders are not ignorant. I also warned about the article’s author being an overshoot denier but it does not discredit the articles history of the world economic forum.

            What is so difficult to understand? If they already know about limits to growth since it was published a half-century ago then they know they need to depopulate without the people being depopulated knowing otherwise. So after the pandemic there must be sufficient distraction to take the news cycle off all the dying people. Hence the Ukraine violence was ramped up after the Pandemic. The war in Ukraine was planned at the same time as the pandemic, precisely to succeed the pandemic.


            1. You want to be an incompetence theorist and assume these people are not grossly psychopathic. Your assumption of decency is the whole problem, its why serial killers get away with murder. So any link that suggests that the patients are running the asylum is considered by you as “dodgy sources”. I’m sure the jews walking into the gas chambers thought that any one who thought it wasn’t just a cold shower was referencing “dodgy sources”. The fact that we are living through the biggest democide in human history in order to save the planet seem “too improbable”. On top of all that you have a blog called un-denial.


              1. The real purpose of Ukraine war was to divert public attention away from the massive population die-off via vaccine. The pandemic and war in Ukraine are part of the same plan. Planned many decades in advance to save the world from overpopulation for the benefit of a few, with the remaining humanity in slavery. They wanted this war to go on for a decade, to provide diversion, but that doesn’t seem to be going according to plan. It appears that the war will end a lot sooner than the planners hoped for. Which means they will need a new diversion.


                1. OK thanks, I think I understand now.

                  Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think what you’re saying a tiny powerful group designed and launched a virus to cull the population, and the leaders of most countries of the world are not aware of the plan.

                  I guess it’s possible. I sometimes wish I was rich enough to fund such a plan. 🙂 No suffering of course, just make most infertile, because the goal is to reduce the suffering coming from overshoot.

                  What then explains why almost every response, in almost every country of the world, was wrong? It’s not like we did a suboptimal job of responding to the virus. As Dr. Bret Weinstein likes to say, we did the exact opposite of the right things to do. That can’t be explained by incompetence.

                  I guess we’ll know soon if you are right.


                  1. I thought I understood your theory, and restated it to be sure, but now you’re saying a large group of people from many companies and the security establishment are involved. That’s crazy talk. I’m done discussing this.


              2. “Your assumption of decency is the whole problem, its why serial killers get away with murder.”

                I agree with this entirely. For me it does not matter if evil is the result of intent (mens rea), action or inaction, deliberate or accidental, omission or commission. A lot of people are responsible for a lot of death, suffering and destitution. Some was the gain-of-function virus. Some was the vaccine. Some was the denial of early treatments. Some was the …

                Does it really matter what the exact distribution was, or which characteristics were dominant.

                To hell with “truth and reconciliation”, I would like to see many of them hang.


                1. If I’m wrong, and there is no well intentioned plan to prepare for economic collapse, then I’d like them to hang too. A worse job of responding is not possible. Everything about covid stinks.


  23. Wow!

    A must listen. Several times.

    Today’s interview by Nate Hagens of Aza Raskin on Part 1: what’s coming soon from AI technology, and Part 2: how AI is being used to understand animal language, was one of the most interesting, and frightening, and hopeful discussions I have ever heard.

    Under normal circumstances I would have started a new post to highlight it, but I’d like to leave the covid theory up on the home page for a little while longer. I may write a longer review of this interview for a new post in the future.

    I’m going to contact Dr. Varki and encourage him to listen to it. There are many connections with MORT.

    A few of my takeaways include:
    – AI technology is much further along and more powerful than I knew
    – social unrest caused by overshoot collapse is going to be amplified by social media’s use of AI
    – our already poor ability to sift wheat from chaff is going to get a lot worse
    – it’s going to be much harder to make a living as an artist or musician

    If they succeed in understanding the languages of intelligent animals, Varki’s MORT predicts:
    – no animals will be aware of their mortality
    – no animals will believe in life after death or gods
    – most of their discussion will be about food and sex, not physics or philosophy


    On this episode, we meet with cofounder of the Earth Species Project, cofounder of the Center for Humane Technology, and cohost of the podcast Your Undivided Attention, Aza Raskin.

    Raskin gives us a general overview of what artificial intelligence is, how it’s about to become more deeply embedded in our lives, and how he and his team plan to use AI as a Rosetta Stone to translate the languages of other species to – hopefully – expand human consciousness, empathy, and awareness of the other beings we share this planet with.

    About Aza Raskin

    Aza is the cofounder of Earth Species Project, an open-source collaborative nonprofit dedicated to decoding animal communication. He is also the cofounder of the Center for Humane Technology and is the cohost for the podcast Your Undivided Attention. Trained as a mathematician and dark matter physicist, he has taken three companies from founding to acquisition, a co-chairing member of the World Economic Forum’s Global AI Counsel, helped found Mozilla Labs, in addition to being named FastCompany’s Master of Design, and listed on Forbes and Inc Magazines 30-under-30.

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      1. The part of Nate’s talk with Aza on The Earth Species Project had a lot positive implications – possibly laying the groundwork for a paradigm shift in how we relate to not only our fellow primates but animals on other branches of the tree of life.

        That Aza can give a voice to the voiceless is awe inspiring because life itself is kinship.


    1. seconding the opinion that that was one of the most profoundly interesting discussions i’ve heard. i hope you do indeed give it its own posting to draw more attention to it.


  24. I may remember to Carlo Cipolla and his study about ‘The Basic Laws of Human Stupitidy’.
    At least is more stupidity in every society, from the bottom until the top (Nobel Laureate). This fact is the most dangerous thing – and that is why we can’t stop it now.


  25. Great work folks. But I’m struggling.
    Because of the nested structure of the comments, new comments can appear throughout the page, and keeping track of them is proving difficult, especially on a busy thread.
    I assume there is an easier way that I’m missing. How do the rest of you manage?
    I tried logging in to WordPress to no avail.


    1. Most blogs with comments seem to have the same problem. My solution to monitoring comments on other sites is to subscribe to its RSS comment feed with the Feedly reader. That way I see all the new comments and can easily read only those that interest me. Note that I provide an RSS feed to comments in the sidebar.

      If anyone has any ideas for improving the comments structure on un-Denial please let me know. I could try other settings if you know a better way with WordPress.


      1. Make a forum here. Rather than just posts with comments, I think a forum-style approach would encourage more engagement and be easier to follow. I say this as someone who’s been lurking here for years now.


          1. no, because i don’t like wordpress. it attempts to track me by canvas fingerprinting; this is a bit like being tracked by cookies, except it’s done silently, without consent and typically without the user even knowing it’s happening. there are browser addons to fake the fingerprint, which show a pop up when a site makes the attempt; a lot do, and wordpress in one of the guilty ones.

            Simple Machines Forum doesn’t do that:



        1. Feedly is available on different platforms. On my Windows computer I access Feedly via a browser but on my phone I use the Feedly app.

          It’s worthwhile to explore Feedly options:
          – I subscribe to hundreds of sites and I find it helpful to group them by topic. Sites can belong to more than one group so I have small number in a Favorites group.
          – Normally I only want to see unread posts but sometimes I turn that off so I can go back in time to find something I’ve already read.
          – I frequently change the sort order. Depending on the site, sometimes I like to read comments chronologically and sometimes I want to see the newest first.
          – I usually edit the feed name to something more useful for me. For example, I often append the name of the site owner which is useful for some obscure sites when I can’t remember who writes there.


  26. Tim Morgan today restates (again, with no new insight) our economic predicament.


    A comment on his essay reinforces my covid theory. Our leaders can’t talk about the problem, and at the same time need to prepare us for what’s coming to maintain social order. Covid provided perfect cover, assuming if you prefer, as I do, to assume our leaders are mostly not evil nor stupid (but are probably in denial of our true overshoot reality).

    I have been thinking lately how it is probably a good thing that most of the world is not aware of or knowledgeable about the reality of our situation.

    Can you imagine the chaos if they all knew what we know?

    Nobody would buy stocks.

    Nobody would start a business (at least any based on discretionary spending).

    Nobody would buy a house as they would know prices will fall.

    This is why that if the movers and shakers do know what we know then they can never inform the public of the reality and why they must pretend all is well and make policies to give that pretense.

    It’s worth deep thought that perhaps ignorance is bliss and that to try and make drastic changes to manage our decline is only going to exacerbate the problem.


  27. To all the gardeners here, if you don’t already know it, you might enjoy this blog.

    It is run (I think) by a medical doctor building a sustainable homestead on a UK island, who used to write about overshoot collapse, and now writes about growing medicinal plants.


    In my last post in March, I described how Britain circumvented the German blockades in World Wars 1 and 2 by growing, or foraging, plant-based vital medications, and I showed how to start growing some of those plants. We are now going to revisit the plants and see how they have got on in the last three months.

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  28. El gato malo today with his spin on Bossche’s prediction. All very complicated and I don’t pretend to understand it, but I do have a nose for honest intelligent inquiry.


    omicron appears to be evolving into variants and sub variants more rapidly than past covid strains.

    this could be for a variety of reasons including chance and vaccine driven homogeneous herd level antigenic fixation with non-sterilizing response which would create both a readily infectible substrate and a perfect breeding ground for strains to seek advantage in infection.

    mostly, the evolutionary gradient will push a virus to be less lethal. killing the host is maladaptive to the directive of the selfish gene: make a copy of me and pass it on.

    wiping out your home and your travel vector is not a survival and spread optimizer.

    but “mostly” is a tough thing to bet on over time when you’re rolling so many dice over and over. sometimes, you get aberrations and optimizations and if the herd has highly homogeneous immunity from leaky vaccination campaigns you can get vaccine accelerated spread as seems to have already been prevalent but also might at some point roll snake eyes and trigger deaths.

    there is a thesis going around that the BA.4/BA5 variants are such a roll.
    we should know quite a bit more in a couple weeks.


  29. Tim Watkins today wrote an excellent big picture overview of our energy predicament. Recommended if you’re new to energy depletion and still learning, can be skipped if you’re an old timer.


    So why might surplus energy fall? Three key reasons are important to us today. The first is the simple process by which we work our way from the cheap and easy energy through to the expensive and difficult. Nobody dug deep coal mines out beneath the North Sea when there were still seams of coal jutting out of the sides of Welsh hills, just as nobody spent a fortune hydraulically fracturing a shale deposit when they could knock a pipe a few feet into the ground to unleash a gusher of sweet crude. Second, we have been burning fossil fuels at a far faster rate than we have been discovering new deposits. As a result, we have already passed peak oil, and are rapidly approaching peak gas and coal too. Third, for green policy purposes, we have been disinvesting from further fossil fuel development while adding energy-expensive and difficult to incorporate energy-harvesting technologies into the energy mix.

    By making the energy cost of energy grow in this way, we strip the wider economy of the means to prevent a rapid and potentially catastrophic collapse as we approach a “net energy cliff:”


    1. Speaking of the energy predicament – lots of talk in the UK about soaring prices at the pump.

      “Petrol price rises: average cost of filling a car tops £100. RAC calls it a ‘truly dark day’ as latest increase puts cost of filling typical 55-litre family car at £100.27. (Guardian)

      It’s the equivalent of US $8.80/gallon.

      The value of the pound has fallen against the US dollar not helping matters. The UK government cut the fuel duty in March but it hasn’t provided much relief to consumers. UK inflation jumped to a 40-year high of 9% as food and energy prices spiral. I was disheartened to learn that “a quarter of Britons have resorted to skipping meals as inflationary pressures and a food crisis conflate in what Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey recently dubbed an “apocalyptic” outlook for consumers.”

      Sad times for many Britons despite the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee.



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  30. Someone on Twitter brought to my attention an August 2021 essay by Fabio Vighi that provides much data that supports my covid theory.

    He agrees that covid was used as cover to prevent a financial system collapse, and provides much better justifications for this belief than I did.

    Where we differ (I think) is that he appears to be unaware (or in denial) of overshoot, and assumes our leaders have ill intent regarding covid policies.

    I think our leaders have good intentions and used covid as cover to prevent an economic collapse, and to put in place some infrastructure to help maintain social order if and when a collapse occurs, and they can’t talk about any of this because to do so would accelerate the collapse.



    A year and a half after the arrival of Virus, some may have started wondering why the usually unscrupulous ruling elites decided to freeze the global profit-making machine in the face of a pathogen that targets almost exclusively the unproductive (over 80s). Why all the humanitarian zeal? Cui bono? Only those who are unfamiliar with the wondrous adventures of GloboCap can delude themselves into thinking that the system chose to shut down out of compassion. Let us be clear from the start: the big predators of oil, arms, and vaccines could not care less about humanity.

    Follow the money

    In pre-Covid times, the world economy was on the verge of another colossal meltdown. Here is a brief chronicle of how the pressure was building up:

    June 2019: In its Annual Economic Report, the Swiss-based Bank of International Settlements (BIS), the ‘Central Bank of all central banks’, sets the international alarm bells ringing. The document highlights “overheating […] in the leveraged loan market”, where “credit standards have been deteriorating” and “collateralized loan obligations (CLOs) have surged – reminiscent of the steep rise in collateralized debt obligations [CDOs] that amplified the subprime crisis [in 2008].” Simply stated, the belly of the financial industry is once again full of junk.

    9 August 2019: The BIS issues a working paper calling for “unconventional monetary policy measures” to “insulate the real economy from further deterioration in financial conditions”. The paper indicates that, by offering “direct credit to the economy” during a crisis, central bank lending “can replace commercial banks in providing loans to firms.”

    15 August 2019: Blackrock Inc., the world’s most powerful investment fund (managing around $7 trillion in stock and bond funds), issues a white paper titled Dealing with the next downturn. Essentially, the paper instructs the US Federal Reserve to inject liquidity directly into the financial system to prevent “a dramatic downturn.” Again, the message is unequivocal: “An unprecedented response is needed when monetary policy is exhausted and fiscal policy alone is not enough. That response will likely involve ‘going direct’”: “finding ways to get central bank money directly in the hands of public and private sector spenders” while avoiding “hyperinflation. Examples include the Weimar Republic in the 1920s as well as Argentina and Zimbabwe more recently.”

    22-24 August 2019: G7 central bankers meet in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, to discuss BlackRock’s paper along with urgent measures to prevent the looming meltdown. In the prescient words of James Bullard, President of the St Louis Federal Reserve: “We just have to stop thinking that next year things are going to be normal.”

    15-16 September 2019: The downturn is officially inaugurated by a sudden spike in the repo rates (from 2% to 10.5%). ‘Repo’ is shorthand for ‘repurchase agreement’, a contract where investment funds lend money against collateral assets (normally Treasury securities). At the time of the exchange, financial operators (banks) undertake to buy back the assets at a higher price, typically overnight. In brief, repos are short-term collateralized loans. They are the main source of funding for traders in most markets, especially the derivatives galaxy. A lack of liquidity in the repo market can have a devastating domino effect on all major financial sectors.

    17 September 2019: The Fed begins the emergency monetary programme, pumping hundreds of billions of dollars per week into Wall Street, effectively executing BlackRock’s “going direct” plan. (Unsurprisingly, in March 2020 the Fed will hire BlackRock to manage the bailout package in response to the ‘COVID-19 crisis’).

    19 September 2019: Donald Trump signs Executive Order 13887, establishing a National Influenza Vaccine Task Force whose aim is to develop a “5-year national plan (Plan) to promote the use of more agile and scalable vaccine manufacturing technologies and to accelerate development of vaccines that protect against many or all influenza viruses.” This is to counteract “an influenza pandemic”, which, “unlike seasonal influenza […] has the potential to spread rapidly around the globe, infect higher numbers of people, and cause high rates of illness and death in populations that lack prior immunity”. As someone guessed, the pandemic was imminent, while in Europe too preparations were underway (see here and here).

    18 October 2019: In New York, a global zoonotic pandemic is simulated during Event 201, a strategic exercise coordinated by the Johns Hopkins Biosecurity Center and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    21-24 January 2020: The World Economic Forum’s annual meeting takes place in Davos, Switzerland, where both the economy and vaccinations are discussed.

    23 January 2020: China puts Wuhan and other cities of the Hubei province in lockdown.

    11 March 2020: The WHO’s director general calls Covid-19 a pandemic. The rest is history.

    Joining the dots is a simple enough exercise. If we do so, we might see a well-defined narrative outline emerge, whose succinct summary reads as follows: lockdowns and the global suspension of economic transactions were intended to 1) Allow the Fed to flood the ailing financial markets with freshly printed money while deferring hyperinflation; and 2) Introduce mass vaccination programmes and health passports as pillars of a neo-feudal regime of capitalist accumulation. As we shall see, the two aims merge into one.

    In 2019, world economy was plagued by the same sickness that had caused the 2008 credit crunch. It was suffocating under an unsustainable mountain of debt. Many public companies could not generate enough profit to cover interest payments on their own debts and were staying afloat only by taking on new loans. ‘Zombie companies’ (with year-on-year low profitability, falling turnover, squeezed margins, limited cashflow, and highly leveraged balance sheet) were rising everywhere. The repo market meltdown of September 2019 must be placed within this fragile economic context.

    When the air is saturated with flammable materials, any spark can cause the explosion. And in the magical world of finance, tout se tient: one flap of a butterfly’s wings in a certain sector can send the whole house of cards tumbling down. In financial markets powered by cheap loans, any increase in interest rates is potentially cataclysmic for banks, hedge funds, pension funds and the entire government bond market, because the cost of borrowing increases and liquidity dries up. This is what happened with the ‘repocalypse’ of September 2019: interest rates spiked to 10.5% in a matter of hours, panic broke out affecting futures, options, currencies, and other markets where traders bet by borrowing from repos. The only way to defuse the contagion was by throwing as much liquidity as necessary into the system – like helicopters dropping thousands of gallons of water on a wildfire. Between September 2019 and March 2020, the Fed injected more than $9 trillion into the banking system, equivalent to more than 40% of US GDP.

    The mainstream narrative should therefore be reversed: the stock market did not collapse (in March 2020) because lockdowns had to be imposed; rather, lockdowns had to be imposed because financial markets were collapsing. With lockdowns came the suspension of business transactions, which drained the demand for credit and stopped the contagion. In other words, restructuring the financial architecture through extraordinary monetary policy was contingent on the economy’s engine being turned off. Had the enormous mass of liquidity pumped into the financial sector reached transactions on the ground, a monetary tsunami with catastrophic consequences would have been unleashed.


    1. Rob, why is intent important to you?

      If the police mistakenly raid my home, instead of the correct address down the street and they shoot and kill my dog – I do not care about individual or group intent, whether it was good or bad intent.

      I think a desire to “maintain social order” stems from a desire for Continuity-of-Government i..e. it is much more about their power than our well being.

      I tire of government prevarication and equivocation.

      Take the 2005 hurricane Katrina in New Orleans as an example. Some police tried to do good, some were incompetent, some were downright evil and committed crimes. Some people in hospital were euthanized and the staff then prosecuted, although that might be from an episode of Boston Legal.

      Are you thinking that intent is a binary good/evil pair, or, is it possible there is a continuum?


      1. 1) My life experience has been that most people are mostly good and I believe what I see.
        2) I have personally known a small number of political leaders and they were all decent people trying to do a good job.
        3) Our society is tearing itself apart because each tribe thinks the other has ill intent. It will get worse as life becomes tougher. Violent social unrest will make our collapse much worse than it needs to be. To reduce this threat, we need more people making sense of the world in a way that does not require blame.
        4) It makes me a happier, nicer person with much less stress.

        To be clear, I think there are some evil people in the system, but they are not in control, nor the majority.

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        1. 1) My life experience has been that most people are mostly good and I believe what I see.

          Me too. I do not want to appear flippant, facetious or lacking decorum. “But”, I do not see how number 1 is applicable. We all have life experiences, typically we all know many people and the majority will be to our liking – perhaps subconsciously we automatically avoid people that trigger a negative gut instinct. I am sure, even in cartels when they see each other mutilating bodies (some before actual death) that they see each other as ‘nice’. They are only doing what they perceive as something that has to be done – even if it is gruesome and abhorrent to us.

          2) I have personally known a small number of political leaders and they were all decent people trying to do a good job.

          “a small number … they were all decent”, maybe this means something, maybe it does not. People can be nice their entire lives, until happenstance throws them a curve ball and for whatever reason bad things happen – and people like us try to figure out if there actions stemmed from ill-intent. Trudeau used emergency powers to freeze the bank accounts of truckers and those supporting them. This was done without due process and included a single mother whose life was thrown into chaos. Trudeau, no doubt, argues that his intent was good – to protect the well being of the majority. Are people responsible for their own well being, or has this been delegated to government? Is delegating to government an abdication of personal duty?

          3) Our society is tearing itself apart
          Tearing itself apart, or falling apart because it was not well built in the first place?

          “because each tribe thinks the other has ill intent.”
          Or because we have accessed and used all the easy to find and cheap resources and partied with reckless abandon?
          We squandered our (oil) endowment, with profligate waste. Carter imposed a 55 mph speed limit, put up solar panels and said put on sweater if you get cold. Reagan took them down, the “American way of life is not negotiable”.

          “each tribe thinks” – do they? Or are 99% of people just living their lives as a consequence of being immersed in advertising and propaganda and lack the critical thinking skills to climb out from their blanket denial?

          ” It will get worse as life becomes tougher.” Yes. It is inevitable. Much much worse. Unimaginably worse.

          ” Violent social unrest will make our collapse much worse than it needs to be.” Yes. As above.

          “To reduce this threat, we need more people making sense of the world in a way that does not require blame.”
          To reduce X we need Y in a way that does not require Z. Why? Are we not part of nature? We probably like to think that civilized behaviour is our secondary purpose (after procreating) – there is a school of thought that “peace” is anachronistic, that war and violence are actually normal.

          “4) It makes me a happier, nicer person with much less stress.
          To be clear, I think there are some evil people in the system, but they are not in control, nor the majority.”

          It is not the presence of evil people, or how evil they are, or the degree of control – it is the inaction of good people who are not angry enough, or they are complacent, or they do not “believe” or understand. Or they are in denial.


          1. You asked me to explain my worldview.
            I respect that you have a different worldview.
            Let’s stay focused on the objective.
            We’re trying to come up with the most probable theory to explain globally synchronized actions on covid that are consistently inconsistent with a goal of maximizing public health.


            1. In the past I have almost always found that the best way to produce any kind of solution, even one that is far from perfect – is to start by focusing on the question (or requirement) and “clarifying” repeatedly. Sometimes the question provides its own answer.

              So starting with “We’re trying to come up with the most probable theory to explain globally synchronized actions on covid that are consistently inconsistent with a goal of maximizing public health.” Remove anything that is not necessary, vague, double negative, etc.

              “probable theory” better as hypothesis, since probability is inherent and theory is too concrete.

              “that are consistently inconsistent with a goal of maximizing public health”
              “consistently inconsistent” could be : always inconsistent
              “with a goal of ” : not needed.
              “public” : as opposed to private? Not needed.

              always inconsistent … maximizing … health
              “always” : redundant.
              “inconsistent … maximizing” : inverting both gives synonym, consistent minimizing
              “consistent” : redundant, leaves minimize.

              Rephrasing produces :
              Hypothesis for globally synchronized actions on covid that minimize health.

              Logical hypothesis : they want to kill us.
              Logical inference : they are evil.


              1. A clever play on words but zero added value to the conversation.
                If you really believe hundreds of country leaders, and thousands of health ministers are evil and want to kill us, make your case in your own words, without wasting our time analyzing the semantics of my words.

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                1. I try to avoid “beliefs” and when I see references to them I try to be consistent in my use of quotes. For me “beliefs” are merely intransigent opinions, that people sometimes are prepared to die for. I prefer understanding – understanding is adaptable to new information.

                  When I concluded “they want to kill us”, I did not state who ‘they’ are.

                  Obviously “hundreds of country leaders, and thousands of health ministers … ” do not want to kill us, and they are not conspiring to that end. At least not wittingly.

                  Speculating – I would say that they (leaders/ministers/etc) wanted/had to be seen to be doing something, rather than risk appearing to be impotent. They followed WHO guidelines, that likely came from Pfizer/Fauci.

                  Since neither of us are privy to the internal machinations at Pfizer, intelligence agencies, etc. then all we can do is speculate, conject and a modest amount of extrapolation – none of which allows us to arrive at a coherent conclusion.

                  Attempting to distill the essence of two years worth of propaganda, alleged fact checks and so on, is a fools errand. Plenty of people are pouring over the Pfizer documents released by the FDA (that Pfizer wanted to shut away for 75 years). The papers released so far suggest that the clinical trials were entirely fraudulent – there was not time to recruit people and do the necessary blood work (this would be the first 12 months of a normal five year clinical trial). This means the Emergency Use Authorization was itself a crime.

                  Surely those same papers were submitted to all of the health authorities in other countries – why has the main stream media raised no questions or investigated this?

                  Again, you and I are largely inconsequential. Even if you (or I) took the time and trouble to analyze Pfizer’s documents, making a case that proves fraud would likely be ignored / dismissed as the product of some quack – and by the time we got there, the world would have moved on. The authorities are not going to deviate from their established path no matter how wrong – to do so would mean that the rest of the world would have to declare war on the USA. That is my limited understanding – not belief.


                  1. Your speculations about Pfizer vaccine approval are reasonable. However there are many vaccines, and vaccines are just one piece of a huge puzzle we are trying to explain.

                    My theory, hypothesis, story, or whatever you want to call it, tries to explain all of the evidence in one logically consistent plausible story.

                    Please propose improvements to my story, or come up with a better story, but please stop picking at my words.

                    Words are not important. Ideas are important.


                    1. “Please propose improvements to my story, or come up with a better story, but please stop picking at my words. Words are not important. Ideas are important.”

                      For me clarity-of-thought is apparent in clarity-of-writing, though this is not an absolute. When the writing is not clear it could be that the writer has a comprehensive grasp of the thought, but lacks the means to adequately express themselves. So for me words are extremely important and ideas are cheap and disposable. Perhaps this is another example of where our “world views” differ markedly.

                      Take for example, your argument that a digital currency “prevents a run on a bank”, prevention is for something that is possible, if there are no (high street) banks, because of a digital currency, then bank runs are precluded not prevented. Again, for me, words are very important.

                      Lets move on to consistency. I’m assuming the vertical bar at the top of the article indicates a quote where the following words appear and are restated in the body of the article : “It’s simply not possible that all of our leaders are evil and/or stupid.” You then go on to comment “Biden & Trump can’t form a single clear sentence without reading it.” Should we discuss, Kamala Harris informing the world leaders that “Russia is a big country …”? How many examples of ‘leaders’ being idiots do you need to reconsider your statement?

                      Historically and contemporaneously there are far too many examples of our leaders committing atrocities for them not to be considered (somewhat) evil. To wit : extraordinary rendition and enhanced interrogation techniques – euphemisms for kidnap and torture without any respect for human rights at all. The French government bombed the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior, sinking it and killing a photographer – an act of war then went largely unpunished. Again, how many examples do you need to reconsider your statement?

                      How about the following:

                      The covid pandemic provided:
                      1. A reason for everyone from all political persuasions to support printing and handing out trillions of dollars to avoid a “recession”.
                      2. A means via lockdowns of reducing energy and materials consumption, and restricting freedom of movement and assembly, that can be invoked as needed without causing the panic that disclosing the end of growth would cause.

                      Inflation occurs when either there is an increase in the amount of money circulating (1. above) or a reduction in the magnitude of goods and services available (2. above). They did both, perhaps this is just a US thing. The result is shocking inflation which the Federal Reserve tried to claim was/is “transitory”. It is so bad, that it is now difficult (impossible?) to compare the current price of oil to the $148 per barrel in 2008. According to you this was part of their “plan”.

                      Occam’s razor : a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex. I’m not entirely sure what the competing theories might be, but your theories’ reliance on “plans” looks like stretching things too far.

                      I doubt that my “story” or explanation is necessarily “better” and I’ve not seen anyone else produce anything better. In fact, I would wager that if I attempted an explanation, it would be considerably worse than your effort – which is why I have not published one. However I question the need for an overarching explanation of everything.


                    2. My response to Rob’s and Hamish’s “conversation” is that I appreciate both sides. I try to approach all such debates doing my best to keep any hubris I have in check – I can always be an idiot once in a while and have been known to have an unhealthy amount of denial when it suits me emotionally.

                      That said, if I learned anything in Law School and in practicing Law for 10 years, it is that words and their meanings are important and debatable. However, I know many sophists that use words to obfuscate and many idiots who don’t know what they are saying (and there were plenty of lawyers in both groups;) ).

                      So, I think words are important and everybody agreeing on a meaning of those words is important, BUT using semantics to cloud any debate is unethical (after all we are attempting to get at the truth/reality not be a winner, right?).
                      I hated the idea – as personified by U.S./U.K. legal system – that the one who crafts the winning argument is right. That seemed to me to be a hold over from the Middle Ages – why not just have trial by combat?(joke). I personally think that the “truth” is a mirror of reality and the best we can do is get at closer and closer approximations of truth/reality (which to me is the Scientific method). I think words are important and I think the only way to find truth/reality and communicate that truth/reality (as I see it) to others is through words. Correct me if I am wrong.


                    3. Thanks AJ.

                      The bedrock of this site is to seek explanations for why things are the way they are. If someone is not interested in why, or wants to argue that why doesn’t matter, or tries to divert the focus away from why, then this is the wrong place to be.

                      On the other hand, if someone offers a better explanation for why, I’ll be the first to embrace it.


      1. If you google the polio aids hypothesis you’ll find a whole bunch of articles saying that it has long been debunked. I’m not so sure.
        Edward Hooper maintains his own website and you can read more about it their. He recently drew some interesting parallels between aids and the covid lab leak theory.


      2. Thanks Perran, I think, for sharing this rather scary bedtime story. (I’m up rather late again)

        Ghosts from the past still haunt us, and for me the goose bump moment was the virologist and experimental polio vaccine’s creator Hilary Koprowski’s statement in 1958 regarding his research: “The price we all must pay at this time to safeguard the comfort of future generations, is in truth, negligible.”

        Can the Covid vaccine story be seen in that same light? It is ironic he used the word “comfort” instead of what would be more seemly in terms of vaccines and preventing disease, that is “health”. How to interpret that given our time machine into the present day? That the comfort of certain future generations is justified at the expense of the health of current ones subjected without consent for this experiment? He was addressing colleagues in his field when exhorting them to sacrifices, was this a thinly veiled call to stand in solidarity to the current narrative, no matter what facts come forth? It seems that medical science has been long bought by something or someone given the evidence of this documentary and many others. No doubt all involved then thought, as now, that they were doing the absolute right thing, but still there was much to hide and obfuscate, as now. There is nothing new under the sun, uncover the key motives and you will understand all.

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  31. Gail Tverberg today applies her actuarial skills to analyzing official covid data and draws the following conclusions:

    1) The significant increases in mortality for the many age groups between 15 and 64 would seem to suggest that something is going badly wrong.
    2) The lack of COVID cases in the youngest age groupings (babies and Ages 1-4) would suggest that vaccines are not really needed for these age groupings.
    3) If the underlying purpose of vaccines is to help the profitability of big companies, hospitals, doctors and vaccine-makers, this makes a big difference in our understanding of what we are being told. The government cannot explain that the reason it wants everyone to be vaccinated has essentially nothing to do with disease transmission, without upsetting many people, so it publicizes its change in stance with respect to vaccines as little as possible.

    Gail thinks the push for vaccines is cost reduction, and not as I do, to build infrastructure and behaviors useful for an economic collapse. Her analysis also suggests that the unspoken goal of cost reduction is yet another policy decision that is failing, continuing our leader’s perfect record of getting every covid decision wrong, which adds credence to my theory.



  32. According to Elliot Jacobson the doomisphere is one very important voice poorer- the Diva of Doom, Gail Zawacki has died. Her website was a treasure trove of information and learning.
    RIP Gail.

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    1. Oh no.

      Gail was a friend. At one point I hoped she would be more than a friend.

      This site exists because of her encouragement.

      I was wondering why she was so quiet.

      Gail’s another reason I’m angry about covid. I think (but am not sure) that she blocked me on Twitter because of my views on vaccines. Covid’s also caused damage to other relationships in my life.

      I found the Jacobson tweet. Please post any more information you come across.

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      1. My condolences, Rob. I hope you have a more peaceful day with memories of your friend and honouring her unique life which has touched us all–as you say, we are all here on this site together in part because of her encouragement. I pay my respects to a fellow earthling brave to journey with a torch of why to shine into the unknown. She has passed on that torch to add to yours, so I trust that you will have even more courage to continue steadfastly finding what you seek. Namaste.

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        1. Thanks kindly.

          I’m not in Gail’s league of intellect, wit, and writing skills. The only thing I’ve got that makes me unique is MORT. Thankfully MORT’s important enough to keep this site going, at least until someone important starts pushing it.

          Gail’s claim to fame, for anyone that does not know her, is that she was the first person to identify and draw attention to the fact that trees worldwide are sick and dying, not because of climate change as most everyone including foresters and arborists assume, but rather because of a rising level of ground level ozone, which is toxic at some level to all plants, and which is a byproduct of industrial combustion, and therefore there is nothing we can do about it except de-industrialize, which of course is a real bummer for those of us that hoped planting trees might be one of the few effective things we could do to mitigate climate change, and thus her apt title “The Diva of Doom”.


          1. I cut my teeth on learning about overshoot through DoomForDummies which I first cottoned onto from your site, perhaps a year or so ago. I did not realise that Gail was the curator of the Apocalypsi Library, nor was I aware until today of her mission to save the trees. I have more catch-up reading to do, and this is a gracious benison. I am also in awe of her intellect, wit, and writing skills, and more so, her great heart of courage to stand unshaken through storms which must have beset her ever since she held aloft the flag of doom. The trees would be proud to call her one of their own.

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  33. Mike Roberts, I respect you because over the years I have seen you make many intelligent and insightful comments about overshoot.

    I know you are a regular at OFW and occasionally here, and I know that neither Tverberg nor myself agree with you that vaccines are safe and effective.

    Who do you follow that is open minded with integrity that agrees with your views?

    By integrity I mean a truth seeker with no conflicts of interest and a proven track record of correcting themselves when they make a mistake. Like for example, my two favorite experts in the covid space, Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Bret Weinstein.

    They released a podcast today that begins by discussing the unseen forces in play that have some objective other than public health. They don’t seem to have a clear opinion on the underlying motivation. I get the sense they think we are forming an inverse totalitarian state, where the power is wielded by the bureaucracy collaborating with corporations, rather than politicians, and driven in part by citizens that are scared and want to be told what to do.

    I strongly suspect both Weinstein and Malone are in denial of overshoot and how close we are to a big economic problem for which there is no fix.

    I’d like to think my above covid theory fills a vacuum by combining their covid expertise, which I lack, with my understanding of overshoot and denial, which they lack.

    The remainder of their podcast takes a deep dive into the vaccine mRNA technology and discusses new findings that add even more fuel to the bonfire of concerns that public health is not a priority.

    I’d say this is another must listen if you’re still trying to make sense of covid:

    If a Fiberglass Tree Falls in a Forest… Bret Speaks with Dr. Robert Malone


    Mike, or anyone else that thinks covid is as claimed by our leaders, can you please post a deep discussion between intellects of similar expertise and integrity that supports your views?

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    1. Gosh, Rob, that’s a tricky one. I have to admit that most of the sites I used to frequent do take a broadly similar view to you and that has made me question my view time and again. I generally don’t follow sites that require a subscription for most meaty articles as I feel they have a lot to gain by feeding their subscribers with the views their subscribers have. That doesn’t make them wrong, of course, but where I’ve had access to some articles that I’ve been able to investigate, I’ve found that they either misrepresent the data or cherry pick what suits (similar to climate change deniers, in fact). I haven’t looked at everything in detail but, so far, very little I have looked at turned out to be valid research, though I do think vaccines for younger folk (under 30s) has very little benefit, from looking at some of the data presented.

      Chris Martenson was a good source of well argued info on the virus, in the early stages, but eventually started to take a modified line when I did notice that he started to take more account of preprint research, often without mentioning that it had not been peer reviewed (something he did do earlier on) but he lost me when he swallowed, hook, line and sinker, an article by a doctor (might have been Alexander, not sure) who posted something about death statistics in NZ closely following the vaccination push for over 60s. It was pure bullshit (the graph barely deviated from the average for that age group, and there was no such correlation, even, in other age groups) but he never apologised for that. Now I can’t really engage at his site since he has put almost everything behind a paywall. Perhaps that’s just as well as he is something of a climate change denier too (though in a mild way compared with many at OFW, including Gail).

      Sadly, I’ve found that many of those who take a different line on resource use and renewables, from the “official” line, also take a diametrically opposed view of almost everything officialdom and MSM throw at us. Being skeptical of the official narrative is good but not to the extent where little critical thought is applied. I doubt I take the official line on most things, 100%, but sometimes it does seem to reflect reality.

      From following the data here in New Zealand, I’m of the opinion that the main vaccine used here is fairly safe but only effective (against hospitalisation) for a fairly short time. However, I’m not totally sure about that because the data provided is so poor, which is a shame because I think NZ provided an ideal place to examine the data once Omicron hit, since we’d had so little infection prior to that. At the moment, I probably won’t have the next booster as I don’t like putting chemicals into my body any time and there doesn’t seem to be enough of a reason to do so now. That may change as new vaccines come online.

      I like this site as the commenters don’t engage in insults as a matter of course and do engage. It is an oasis in blogdom. This can’t be said of many regulars on OFW and I don’t know why Gail puts up with so much of it.


      1. Thanks Mike.

        I started out believing covid policy skeptics were crazy. I remember blocking and deleting comments from people with extreme views. Over many months I slowly came to realize something is very wrong with the story we are being told.

        I’m now searching for an explanation that is not crazy.

        Originally I assumed a system corrupted by pharma money, but it leaves too many loose ends.

        Now I suspect world leaders are collaborating in preparation for an economic collapse they know is coming. A lot of it’s out in the open, like the WEF Great Reset. I’m trying to connect dots and I do not want to assume our leaders are really evil or stupid.

        OFW makes me sad. It says something about us.

        If you come across a super intelligent truth seeking expert with integrity that supports official covid policies and has debunked Malone et al, please share it. I’d like to understand the position of our leaders.


        1. “If you come across a super intelligent truth seeking expert with integrity” is a tough bar to get over, Rob. I don’t pretend that any of these are super intelligent truth seeking experts but here are some of the stories I found whilst examining claims made on some blogs:


          A lot of these “experts” can sound very reasonable and, to be honest, I don’t always have the ability to make complete sense of some of it. This applies on all sides of the arguments. I’m not qualified to be able to do my own studies on this so have to make judgements as best I can as, and when, I have to. I have to admit that the vaccine skeptics continue to have an influence on my thinking (“what if some of what they say is right?”) but, so far, I’m not convinced by the entirety of their arguments. If one of them would admit to being wrong once in a while, I’d have a lot more confidence in them.

          I doubt our so-called leaders around the world are collaborating on anything, except on the surface. It just doesn’t seem to be in their DNA to collaborate in any significant way.


          1. Mike, I don’t know any of the authors you linked to.

            When I post content here it usually implies that I vouch for the integrity and intelligence of my source. For example, I’ve followed Malone and Weinstein for about 2 years so I feel I know them well, including their weaknesses.

            Would you please write a brief introduction to each of the authors you posted, letting us know how long you’ve followed each, and that you vouch for their intelligence and integrity.


            1. Rob, I didn’t say I followed any of the authors. This was some of the content I came across when researching claims made by vaccine contrarians. I also don’t follow any of those, such as Malone and Bossche, who’s claims are repeated by contrarians. I’ve looked at such claims which, on the face of it, seem reasonable but not having expertise in this area, I have to check other sources. I occasionally come across counters to the claims, which seem equally reasonable. So I’m left being underwhelmed by most contrarian claims. In some cases, and I’ve mentioned some, the claims are essentially poor science using cherry picked data to make a point.


              1. There is so much misinformation about covid on both sides of the debate that the expertise and integrity of the source is critical.

                I’d like to find a source that supports the official narrative, and that is highly intelligent with deep expertise and no conflicts of interest that someone like yourself has followed closely for many months and vouches for their integrity.

                Hopefully another reader can recommend such a source.


                1. Well, since I don’t follow any authority (if that’s the right word) religiously, as it were, I can’t really give such a recommendation. I try to keep a critical mind on everything I read and listen to. Sometimes I agree and perhaps don’t do as much due diligence as I should but when I find a view rather surprising I do more of that.

                  One source I did religiously follow, in the past, was Dave Cohen (declineoftheempire.com). He has written some awesome essays, particularly the Flatland essays (linked to from here. Sadly, he realised he wasn’t changing any minds and now posts irregularly. However, he became convinced that fascists were taking over the country (but that Trump wasn’t one of them) and then, perhaps rightly, criticised the lockdowns, etc, but didn’t really offer an alternative. I’ve delved into Kunstler’s blog quite often (but not enough to label it as “following”) but he became obsessed with Trump’s lie about the stolen election and rarely seems to write about anything else these days (though I haven’t checked for quite some time). I suppose I follow Gail Tverberg but when she wanders off resource depletion, she betrays her biases. So I don’t currently follow anyone I’d say gets things right most of the time. Of course, that judgment is largely influenced by my own biases.


  34. Chris Martenson and George Gammon today revisit the covid insanity and try to answer the same question as this post.

    Chris is really getting his “peak oil for the masses in denial” message polished.


    1. Interesting, Martenson says the credit impulse recently turned negative.

      Impulse is the word economists use for acceleration, which means the rate of change of the velocity, and velocity is the rate of change of the underlying thing, in this case credit.

      The credit impulse is one of the best indicators for predicting a change in our economic well-being.


      1. You’re right this was an interesting Martenson talk. He understands energy completely. And he appears to understand the other resource limits we face (fertilizers, minerals, food). I think he understands overshoot, but why doesn’t he articulate it at all. He never challenged his host’s assumption that growth is necessary and good. Never a mention of population growth forcing increased need for everything. I understand that he would probably lose most of his subscribers if he articulated this. I think part of this is why he split with Adam Taggart – Adam seems focused on wealth preservation and Chris seems focused on resiliency. I’m not sure either are really possible going forward (maybe a little resilience but definitely not preserving wealth).
        Otherwise a good podcast.


          1. Mark Twain quoted it, “You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”

            Stated opinions may not actually be held beliefs, if a person’s income depends on those opinions. This is probably why I treat substack channels, and the like, where much of the content requires a subscription. It doesn’t seem like much to an individual, perhaps $6 per month, but 10,000 subscribers could get a channel host over half a million dollars per year, which would provide a huge incentive to keep his or her subscribers happy with the opinions they crave. Martenson’s web site has recently gone to needing a subscription for most content and to engage with the community, but he describes it as “only 27 cents a day” for the cheapest. I don’t know how many subscribers he has at each level – as far as I know it isn’t published, nor the profits of Peak Prosperity, LLC.

            I know people need to make a living but one has to be wary when that living is largely or solely a result of publishing opinions. If those opinions change, it might cost the provider lot of money.


            1. I subscribe to about a dozen substack channels and don’t pay a penny to anyone.
              All of them have wheat with chaff and I have to sift them with judgement.
              I never have to sift Weinstein and Malone. They are 100% wheat, although both are overshoot blind, Malone might have a little god, and Weinstein sometimes discusses topics I’m not interested in.


              1. Other 100% wheat covid sources include:
                Dr. Malcolm Kendrick
                Dr. Tess Lawrie
                Ivor Cummins
                el gato malo (except for his political bullshit)

                My federal government health minister is a moron. My provincial government health minister is a moron. Dr. John Campbell is nice but dim. Fauci is corrupt.

                Sure would like to find someone super smart with integrity that supports the official story.


  35. I thought this was significant. Wall Street Journal news feed this morning focused on energy prices. Straight up, no bullshit, supply is not keeping up with demand, can’t blame Ukraine, and there’s no easy fix except demand destruction which will harm the economy.


  36. I love Ryan and his cinematographer. He’s a fellow British Columbian and produces the best motorcycle videos on the planet. Today’s video is relevant to prepping for collapse, and is great for a laugh.

    Solving the transportation crisis is easy – just scoot. It’s quicker than transit, greener than an electric car and more practical than a bicycle. But which 49cc scooter is the best choice?


  37. Interesting post by Nate Hagens on his Great Simplification Facebook group page addressing population in his intro to an earlier Paul Ehrlich interview (see below). I must admit I haven’t listened to the interview yet. Have you heard him talk so openly about population previously Rob? His comment that… “8 billion at once is unsustainable…. its a problem but it’s also not ‘solvable’ in the near term..” is maybe can kicking a little and it seems he puts it in the too hard basket and / spreading himself too thin. Like you I think actions aimed at reducing human suffering are highly desirable and so introducing policies now is well worthwhile.

    From Nate post.. “I’ve known Paul for over 10 years during which time we became friends. He’s quite a character. I did this interview not to promote his views or to present him as an authority on what’s going to happen but out of respect/deference to those humans who have been working on ecology/overshoot/sustainability for their entire careers.

    Population is one of those polarizing topics. My view is -its obvious that many billions of humans can exist on earth – but spread out over time. 8 billion at once is unsustainable. What # is sustainable? That depends on the culture, the technology and how much they consume per person. It is TECHNICALLY possible to use regenerative ag/permaculture to grow food for many billions (as per Jason Bradford in upcoming episode) but then there is no industry, hospitals, museums etc as most everyone is working intensively in fields.

    My view, FWIW that population -like climate change – is not the problem but downstream from the bolus of fossil productivity from the carbon pulse. As energy surplus declines, the initial reaction will probably be more people -as economies will pull out all stops to encourage growth by any means – including baby subsidies (happening already in parts of Europe and Japan). We will head towards 9-10 billion (barring war or complexity dislocation) but the average person will be poorer – to significantly poorer.

    Additionally, we have TWO population problems – 1) the number of people and 2) the average consumption per person. We have 80 million new (net) humans added to the world every year. Which means we are adding 10,000 new humans every HOUR – during that same hour 1,000 humans starve to death – somewhere. It’s all a very complex and overwhelming topic.

    I get a lot of flack for not talking more about population – but to me its a given that its a problem but it’s also not ‘solvable’ in the near term. Economies (and politicians) are optimizing for growth – the near term will be money/energy rubber band that will impact all things. The reason it is important to talk about though is to plant seeds for some new ecolate culture in future. I do expect the odds of gigafamine in back half of this century are quite high -but first I suspect it will more people and wider and deeper poverty. Humans -from an ecologicaly/biological perspective -will always (indirectly) strive for 15-20 billion poor humans than 1 billion living sustainably. IMO

    I read Pauls book 30 years ago – and while I systemically disagreed w his predictions then – and still do – the larger backdrop -8 billion of us and our livestock comprising 98% of mammalian biomass on planet – fueled by the productivity provided by a one time pulse of ancient carbon – pretty obviously lays out the longer term picture. I personally decided to have dogs, not kids. I don’t regret that.

    Malthus was ‘wrong’ when he layed out geometric vs linear growth (population vs food) because he didn’t know about fossil hydrocarbons. Paul was ‘wrong’ in 1968 because he didn’t know about debt and globalization. Peak oilers were wrong in 2008 because they neglected central banks (short term) magic powers and USA fracking. But we’re running out of cans to kick…

    …Thoughts welcome. I have no answers”

    Here’s the interview link which I know you posted a few weeks ago – https://youtu.be/mjaj5gFd2qY


    1. Interesting and thanks. I’m no longer on Facebook so did not see this.

      About a week ago Nate and I spoke on the phone for the first time ever. It was a wide ranging conversation, some of which I can’t discuss, but I did lean in to him pretty aggressively about population reduction.

      My key points were:
      1) We’ve been tip-toeing around the issue for 50 years because we didn’t want to offend anyone, it hasn’t worked, and we’re out of time.
      2) Many people are going to have horrible lives and die from starvation. The only goal that makes sense is to minimize suffering, and therefore any progress at preventing births will be a success.
      3) If people like he and I, who understand overshoot, don’t talk about it, who will?
      4) Nate is not unique. No one in this space talks about it except Jack Alpert and myself.
      5) Discussing something tends to normalize it. If we all start talking about population reduction then it will lose its taboo status and many people will begin to think and act on it, and even in the absence of government policies we will make progress towards the goal.

      Nate made most of the same points from his Facebook post to me, and explained he has many differing constituents that he must keep happy.

      It seems possible that my conversation with him had some positive effect.

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        1. Hello Campbell, or rather, Mr Campbell,
          I’ll tag a post here (too lazy to scroll back up today) to say I’ve really enjoyed your personalised tour of your beautiful land and home sanctuary. You really have planted so many trees, and each will give back in its own way in time. And oh my goodness do you have a lot of bamboo! No matter, all you need are some pandas! Thank you so much for sharing, and good to see you and your son, too! I am filled with awe and reverence for what you and your family (please give Nikki my best regards and admiration) are doing and wish you all the best going forward. May you grow older and wiser amongst your trees and always know a certain peace and abundance no matter what the outer world brings. This is your haven manifested through your intention and hard work, but I know you have first a heart of joy and wonder to make it possible. Namaste, friend.


          1. Thanks Gaia. Glad you enjoyed the virtual tour. No pandas but we do have tree shears and a large mulcher coming in a few weeks. Need to reduce the shading.

            Letting you know too that I’m picking up 2 black sapote (black pudding) and 2 rose apple seedlings on Thursday. Your mentioning the sapote obviously put the good energy my way and they appeared for me. Thanks for that.

            Happy gardening. Namaste.


    2. Overpopulation is the proximate cause, not the higher-level ultimate cause of our predicament. It is, as Nate suggests a downstream problem.

      If I may put it mythopoetically, the gift of fire from Prometheus is the ultimate cause.


      1. Nicely put. And I’m going to store ‘mythopoetic’ for future scrabble encounters. Apparently I can score a maximum of 73pts with it 😉.


  38. I just finished a new 2 hour conversation between Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Bret Weinstein about covid.

    I posted it above but am reposting it here with more informaiton in case you missed it.

    These are two super intelligent truth seekers with impeccable integrity.

    It is the best conversation I’ve heard to date on covid. I’ve listened to and read hundreds of covid discussions. It seems I’m encountering a new “Best Of” on a regular basis. How is that possible?

    The covid “system” is dizzyingly complex. Brilliant minds are working hard to unpick the puzzle, and they’re learning new things all the time.

    Some of the topics covered in this podcast include:
    – underlying motivations for policies
    – Event 201
    – WHO pandemic treaty
    – newly discovered and shocking information about mRNA technology
    – possible long term harms from vaccines (fiberglass logs don’t decompose)
    – vital vaccine testing that was never done
    – Bossche’s prediction and why it is possible but not certain
    – evidence and implications of lab origin “this virus is VERY unusual”
    – lab leak may have been deliberate
    – Omicron lab origin theory
    – Ivermectin would have produced much better results than the vaccines
    – cover-up of Ivermectin effectiveness in Japan and India
    – Ivermectin studies designed to fail that failed and still show Ivermectin works
    – and much more

    The body of evidence that risks and harms exceed benefits for covid policies is staggering.

    How is it possible that thousands of health ministers around the world are not modifying their policies in light of this evidence?

    What are the possible reasons that not one health minister has broken ranks and admitted that a grave mistake has been made and that policies will be changed and restitution offered?

    Possible explanations include:
    1) Malone, Weinstein, and dozens of other brilliant minds are simply wrong and there is no problem with current policies, despite no health minister being able to articulate why they are wrong.
    2) Every single one of thousands of health ministers is brain dead stupid.
    3) Every single one of thousands of health ministers is so evil or cowardly they’d rather harm their own citizens than admit making a mistake.
    4) Every single one of thousands of health ministers has been corrupted by pharma money.
    5) Every single one of thousands of health ministers is so deeply in denial that they cannot see the mountain of growing evidence.
    6) The health ministers have received direction from the leader of their country that there is a classified objective, agreed to by most countries in the world, and also intended to protect citizens, that far outweighs the harms and risks created by covid policies.

    Feel free to add any possible explanations to the list that I missed.

    I know which explanation I think is most probable.

    There was some discussion at the beginning of the podcast about possible reasons for policies inconsistent with public health. They don’t seem to have a clear opinion on the underlying motivation. I get the sense they think we may be forming an inverse totalitarian state, where the power is wielded by the bureaucracy collaborating with corporations, rather than politicians, and driven in part by citizens that are scared and want to be told what to do.

    I strongly suspect both Weinstein and Malone are in denial of overshoot and how close we are to a serious economic problem for which there is no fix.

    I’d like to think my above covid theory fills a vacuum by combining their covid expertise, which I lack, with my understanding of overshoot and denial, which they lack.

    If a Fiberglass Tree Falls in a Forest… Bret Speaks with Dr. Robert Malone

    I’m struggling to get the links to work here. If what you see is not 2 hours and 6 minutes long, then google the title for alternate sources.



    1. My bet is on option number 5….
      Every states health ministers have overseen some form of mandate in Australia. In Victoria and Western Australia you literally still can’t work if you not vaccinated.
      Can you seriously imagine a health minister coming out and publicly saying “yeah we forced you to get vaccinated with a vaccine that’s deadly, doesn’t work and still hasn’t even finished being trialled yet….. sorry about that folks. Really sorry . Won’t happen again”

      On a totally unrelated topic, I watched The Alpinist last night which I believe was filmed in your neck of the woods Rob.
      OMG! I have never watched such a nail biting documentary in my life. I thought I was a fairly fearless individual when I was younger but it turns out I’m just a wimp. What possesses people to hang unroped from gigantic cliff faces has me beat.


      1. Yes, number 5 is consistent with what Varki’s MORT predicts.

        An argument against it is there are so many health ministers in the world that it is improbable that not one has defective denial genes.

        An argument in favor of it is that it is impossible to be elected with defective denial genes so we would expect them all to be deeply in denial.

        You might be right. Maybe the whole covid debacle is one giant reaffirmation of Varki’s MORT.


      2. The Alpinist does look really good. Thanks for the tip, I’m going to add it to my queue.


        Marc-André Leclerc climbs alone, far from the limelight. On remote alpine faces, the free-spirited 23-year-old Canadian makes some of the boldest solo ascents in history. Yet, he draws scant attention. With no cameras, no rope, and no margin for error, Leclerc’s approach is the essence of solo adventure. Nomadic and publicity shy, he doesn’t own a phone or car, and is reluctant to let a film crew in on his pure vision of climbing. Veteran filmmaker Peter Mortimer sets out to make a film about Leclerc but struggles to keep up with his elusive subject. Then, Leclerc embarks on a historic adventure in Patagonia that will redefine what is possible in solo climbing.


      3. Thanks for recommending another doco, Perran, this one I know I will enjoy much more than the AIDs story, but it will be cliff-hanging in another way! I assume you’ve lapped up Free Solo, that was a peak experience watch, too. (gee, today I’m full of unintended puns)


      4. Maybe the reason is subconscious or conscious awareness of the population problem and they figure it’s the only life they’ve got and if they tumble to their sure deaths then that’s one less person on the planet. I don’t think you can do this sort of thing if you have a fear of dying. Another thing, these extreme sport enthusiasts may find it hard to get a partner who wants children with them, seeing as they may decease at any time through their risky endeavours. So, maybe we should be encouraging this breed of Ubermensch! In the meantime, I’m happy to watch their feats vicariously, if only more people might choose to satisfy their child-bearing urges that way, too.


    2. Hi Rob, hope you’ve had a more gentle day. Thanks for the podcast, that was really excellent. If we have two such as those for us, then who can be against us? (apparently plenty but I’m just trying to be oratorical)

      I want what’s behind Door #5, definitely!

      It is still hard to fathom how hundreds of thousands of people who can stand for the truth haven’t been able to make headway mainstream but then again even these giants of the cause are still mainly preaching to the choir, albeit a growing one. I can see how it happens, though, just the same way millions of Germans shut their eyes and ears to the Holocaust around them, and maybe obeying orders and not rocking the system is even more ingrained in our nature than denial, certainly they are critical attributes to survival especially in times of crisis. Because to be thrown out of the group, ostracised, abandoned, is a fate of suffering worse than death both physically and emotionally, and in modern times this plays out as denigration and slander, de-platforming, gas-lighting, and the most immediately threatening and consequential of all, losing one’s livelihood. I cannot stress how much a motivating factor that is, especially since our system has gotten many of us hopelessly entangled with debt and reliance on future earnings just to remain barely afloat. This has made us easy victims for control, and even if there were some brave souls who left their positions and/or spoke out and were made to leave, there were always others to fill their place and that became a clear signal to the rest to cast their eyes downward and keep mouths shut.

      I speak with the experience of our little family, my academic husband is the sole bread winner as I am full time on the homesteads (it would be really handy to have teleportation sometimes) and taking care of a dependent elderly mother. Our house debt is reasonable and nearly repaid, and that is even more reason to maintain the status quo in hopes that we may free ourselves from this net as soon as we can. Having no children and only one dependent, and being in good health makes our situation a picnic compared to most other families. But still, he has taken the shots because of the mandate and remained silent or at least, has not pushed back on the narrative in his capacity at the university. We would not risk the life we have built up, and we also have to consider the life of my mother who is under our care. I can imagine many in the medical and health policy field have far more complex financial and family situations that depend on their positions. And once ostracized, they have very little recourse to obtain employment elsewhere. Now we truly understand that we are all cogs in the system and replaceable ones at that.

      However, I do think there is more that drives the few medical elite which are our main spokespersons and the higher level health ministers, probably on a need-to-know basis, along the lines of what you suggest behind door #5, Rob. In addition, I would think they would have been assured indemnity at the highest level, otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to maintain such confidence for so long.

      Still this whole Covid thing is a bitter pill to swallow, but someone has decided it’s the best medicine for us, maybe it’s even an early treatment in their view.


      1. Your argument is clear and persuasive. Tribal cohesion and fear of losing livelihoods may be keeping the health ministers et. al. in line. It’s consistent with Malone and Weinstein not being dependent on the system for a living.

        So then all we need to explain is the behavior of the most senior people.

        Please confirm the #5 (denial) is what you favor. I edited the comment after first posting it to add another item to the list. You might mean #6 (collapse prep).


        1. I’m wondering if the coming US election might be one way to determine what’s driving senior leaders?

          If the republicans win and do not fire and prosecute all the senior health leaders for crimes against humanity, then it might be reasonable to assume there is an agreement in place between countries that overrides public health. Ditto for other country elections.

          One of the observations that makes me suspect a hidden agreement is the covid unanimity of opposed political parties. A quiet conversation with each political leader about a classified project in everyone’s best interest might have silenced them.


          1. Last thought from me for tonight and I thought I would tuck it in here. I’m generally a very intuition-feeling type person (confirmed INFP in the Myers – Briggs for what it’s worth) but have been trained to develop some logic and reason aptitude to keep me more anchored on the ground. I’m usually quite empathetic and can sense the underlying emotions of most people I’m with, sometimes to the point where I actually feel what they do, not just understand them. I tend to go with gut feelings about things that trouble me, but I often obsess over my reactions if it was the best choice, especially when there is possible conflict.

            With this in mind, what has really got me from near the start of the whole pandemic exercise is the facial expressions of our leaders and health “experts” when they presented various information and rolled out policy, from lockdowns to mandates. I don’t watch MSM much (seeing as I don’t have TV) but still I saw plenty of clips on-line. The lower level administrators seemed to have bought into the narrative hook, line, and sinker, because they truly believed they were doing the right thing following all the upper level advice, as minions carrying out their duties. When it came to the actual heads of countries, and here I am mainly focussing on Canada and New Zealand, both having relatively young prime ministers who have the background of being groomed for the part (the Young Globalist WEF club), I sensed and saw evidence of disconnect from what they were saying and how they were actually feeling, through their facial gestures and tone.

            In the beginning of the pandemic, both Trudeau and Ardern seemed quite confident and rallied their countries to lockdown frenzy with a certain charisma which both have. Their exhortations seemed congruent and had the right balance of solemnity and forcefulness tempered by sympathy. You could see in their eyes and their carriage that they truly believed they had the mandate to do what was necessary and it was like the start of a grand adventure with them at the helm. As the Covid inconsistencies began to mount, and especially with the push for the experimental inoculations on the widest public, cracks in their composure began to show. They started to sound insistent, whingy almost, making comments that at once were flippant and irreverent given the gravity of the situation. Trudeau dipped into gas-lighting comments and of course everything went to hell with the trucker protest. He really did look like a spoilt boy whose parade got rained on because things weren’t going his way nicely as he had hoped, or had been told it would. Now he seems more than anything just resigned, resigned to see out whatever he agreed to engage in, the game no longer fun and exciting but a drudgery he wishes over as soon as possible. Jacinda just seemed to melt under the pressure, becoming a frazzled shell of her once confident and assured self. She looked absolutely haggard at times, but more telling was the way she smiled and laughed and tilted her head when she said “It’s simple, really. All you have to do is get the vaccine and everything will be back to normal”. It was clearly disingenuous to me, but also seemed forced, even pleading, like she was saying something she didn’t mean nor want to say but yet she had to (with our current theory, because of a deeper, more powerful reason that must remain above all, hidden.) And therefore her body couldn’t lie and showed the disconnect, trying to gloss over something utterly distasteful by trying to assume a carefree, blithe manner which totally miscarried. To me, she just seemed nervous and uncomfortable and the fake smiles couldn’t assuage it. In both these leaders, I could sense their own uncertainty and even fear, doubt that they were choosing the right course, but yet overriding pressure to stay the course, even as the narrative continued to disintegrate around them. And for both of them to eventually contract Covid and yet still having to insist that boosters were the only way forward, oh the mockery, loss of confidence and anger from their once fawning people, even threats to life, how difficult a cross that must be for two once shining stars of the political firmament to bear! They, too, have been badly used, and if it be expedient, they, too, will be discarded when their usefulness is finished, even if it be as a scapegoat when needed.

            If these observations and interpretations can go some way in giving more credence to option #6, then it hit the mark, but since all of this is pure opinion generated by a self-professed airy-fairy empath-type, please feel free to rip it to shreds and don’t worry, I won’t cry in front of you.

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        2. Not fair to add another choice after I finally signed off late last night! I’ll be sexist here (and it’s okay because I’m female) and say changing one’s mind is a woman’s prerogative and what I really want is behind door #6! But you knew that already.


  39. I go for some combination of # 3 and # 5. Plus I would add that for most university scientists and health ministers the pandemic has put them in the media spotlight with a larger voice and more power than their previous lowly positions were ever given before. I think of our local county level head of pubic health bureaucrat – he never in his life had more tv airtime, got to announce more restrictions on people and businesses than Covid gave him. It must have been a power trip high for him. So, is that evil? maybe, but I’m sure it was a fulfillment of a lifetime dream of finally being taken seriously after suffering years in an ignominious position . Petty power trip.

    I don’t think the system can accept a Truth & Reconciliation position – especially our leaders.

    Thanks for posting the podcast again. It was definitely worth listening to. Except I hate the link (apple) as you can’t speed up the playback – unlike most videos that I watch at 1.5 or 1.75 playback 😉

    However, I still think the war in Ukraine and the loss of U.S. unipolar dominance (imagined) is the more pressing issue. Nuclear annihilation as civilizational collapse unfolds is the more frightening possibility as opposed to any attempted imposition of totalitarian control (due to economic or pandemic catastrophes) is doomed to fail. IMHO.


    1. Yes, #3 and #5 are possible for the majority. Doesn’t it bother you that not one health minister has sufficient courage, ethics, remorse, or reality awareness to have broken ranks?

      PBS Frontline used to be a news source I trusted. I started to watch their recent episode “Putin’s Road to War”. I couldn’t watch more than the first couple minutes. It was disgusting. An obvious propaganda hit piece with no regard for history or facts. It made me wonder if our leaders are prepping citizens for an escalation.


  40. Very insightful thread by David Korowicz, one of the most important minds thinking about responses to human overshoot.

    Other work by Korowicz here:


    1. Korowicz explains the risks and the impediments to what we should be doing to prepare for collapse of the global economic system.

      Reading between the lines I see some evidence that supports my theory that covid is cover for collapse prep.

      I have unrolled his Twitter thread here to make it easier to read:

      Biggest risk to society is a collapse of the global financial system. Increasing constraints on economic growth, escalating systemic volatility + forward-looking opacity undermines the foundations of credit, debt+ monetary stability and the implicit promises made to the future.

      Such a catastrophe could emerge and spread rapidly. You’d get not just a failure of the food system, but failure of critical infrastructures (water, sanitation, power, fuel, telecoms). It would also be irrecoverable.

      Some years ago I designed an exercise for an EU country to explore such preparations for such an eventuality. The Project Group (PG) task was: You have been given secret information-In 6 months, 3 years and 10 years the global economy will be hit by an unprecedented catastrophe.

      The result: nothing can come into country (energy, final and intermediate goods). Without these inputs, the country’s economy, the operation of supply-chains, critical infrastructures begin to rapidly fail.

      The PG are tasked with putting plans in place (6 month, 3 year and10 year implementation periods) to ensure that the country can have access to food, water, sanitation, comms, social peace/ cooperation, and associated supporting conditions, while having capacity to move forward.

      There are assumptions: recovery to ‘normal’ may be uncertain, or impossible + society is under increasing socio-economic stress leading up to catastrophe.

      Plus a constraint: being too open about the approaching catastrophe and its date can accelerate the crisis, if financial markets/ behaviors cause de-stabilization in anticipation of crisis.

      The 3 time periods emphasized the need to be prepared for the rapid emergence of catastrophe when barely prepared (6 months), to having a run-up period (10 years) where preparedness measures can be taken – but see constraint above.

      The result: unless serious prep beforehand major risk of famine/ disease/ societal incapacity to function – in Europe. I advised on parts of report, but I was not given final access to it.

      Later, I’d use the exercises from @EIS_Council to explore with communities their response to power disruption. The grid is interdependent w/ financial system- if one experiences large-scale failure so does the other- same result- a shut-down in the flow of goods and services.

      Prep for that =prep for all sorts of particular catastrophe drivers. As @GeorgeMonbiot said, our vulnerability to systemic failure is embodied in the structure and constraints of our dependencies.

      However, people tend to have fanciful notions of how prepared governments are for these things (one of my jobs was to try and find out). Some of the bigger govs do exercises, have emergency plans- but that’s not really prep. Often they’re substitutes for action.

      One problem: even if some people in/ near gov get it, it challenges many of our mythologies (progress, illusion of control), while the complexity and implications are truly daunting, and fear of public rxn. Further:

      The Reflexivity Trap: Actions taken to prevent a systemic collapse, or preparations for dealing with the aftermath may help precipitate the crisis. Therefore to avoid precipitation, the preparation has to be low key and below the radar of the public and markets…

      This limits the extent and scope of preparation, increasing the risk of a shallow, chaotic and slow response. E.g. If gov were to acknowledge sys limits to growth as approx imminent- effectively implies global financial system is insolvent wrt flows of real goods+services.

      One way to proceed is for civil contingency prep and planning to be done by civil society- don’t wait for government. This is a huge undertaking. Where will the funding come from…..

      Well, there is a vast supply of financial wealth- claims upon a future that is v. unlikely to happen- i.e. it will vaporize. Richest will find no separate peace in catastrophe- they + everybody will be better off if there is collective prep.

      For the foresightful-draw down such virtual wealth now- and give it (unencumbered) to large-scale civil society driven prep and contingency efforts.

      Like @GeorgeMonbiot, I’m fucking terrified of what’s coming. The answer is to face into it (if u can), don’t assume it’s somebody else’s job, and help build a pro-social, pro-nature, civil society response to large-scale sys disruption. There’s nothing so important or as worthwhile.


      1. It’s amazing the number of people/blogs I no longer read. Since the Covid started I have eliminated a vast forest of people/bloggers that I used to read in the doom-o-sphere. Why? Because they went full idiot and bought the MSM/government take on everything Covid. These used to be people I respected, because they understood collapse/doom/overshoot. Web sites like, The Easiest Person to Fool, or Dark Green Mountain Survival Research Center (why were both of these Canadian guys?). Both of these guys were taken by Trump derangement syndrome (not that I liked the orange nut job but I currently don’t see much difference between Trump (narcissist) and Biden (dementia)). They ultimately supported Trudeau and his reactionary approach to anyone on the perceived right.

        The reason I bring this up is that one of the people who used to comment on The Easiest Person to Fool website (another Canadian) wrote a series of post-apocalyptic e-books on people living north of one of the Great Lakes. He (can’t remember his name) is the only person I have seen who articulated the consequences of nuclear reactors in a post collapse future (I think he had been a tech at one of the nuke reactors in Canada). He had a group of people tend the spent fuel for millennia, even to the hunter/gatherer stage.

        My fear of nuke reactors/nuclear war stems from the existential threat they pose to all life on this planet – not just human civilization. Korowicz is kinda right in that collapse of the financial system will probably bring on collapse of civilization. That only concerns me about what it portends for all those nuclear weapons and plants. Who cares if I starve to death in the cold and dark – not me too much. I care if the planet (life) dies. Could to much radiation destroy everything above bacteria? Maybe? I don’t know.
        So, I think there are things far worse than civilizational collapse.

        Hence my focus on nuclear problems.

        I also think that Aza Raskin (Nate’s podcast above) misjudges AI. Civilization won’t last long enough for it to be a serious threat to civilization (that and I think that he/AI researchers have a fundamentally flawed understanding of human consciousness – how the mind works). I do think he hit on the biggest threat it poses to us now – it’s use by Meta (Facebook) to push content on people that drives them further to extremes and radicalizes them. The people who have already started to repeat radical tropes (rebellion, civil war, hanging leaders) is growing (Kunstler, Denninger, my next door neighbor). That is the threat AI poses.
        Correct me if I’m wrong and my hubris or paranoia is showing.

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        1. Well said on all your points AJ.

          I also saw some bloggers I used to respect, and some friends and family, go full retard with covid. It makes me sad that it’s so difficult to agree on reality on things that to me seem unambiguous.

          Like you I care about other species as much or more than humans. Although I’d be dishonest if I said I don’t care about my own life. I find myself constantly thinking about what I can do to improve my chances of survival. Building food reserves and having some redundancy for things I care about has become a bit of an obsession. Having said that, in the back of my mind, I’m prepared to end my own life if things someday get really bad.


          1. On nuclear, I find it odd, and maybe yet another confirmation of MORT, how many energy depletion aware people advocate for more nuclear power without thinking about the risk to proper governance and maintenance of nuclear as we become poorer with shortages of everything.

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            1. Yes Rob-I found this little nugget on one SRSRocco’s open posts

              Entergy, the owner of the Palisades Nuclear Power plant, decided to shut down the plant because it lost nearly $200 million a year (based on 2020 data) versus the typical natural gas generation plant. However, with natural gas prices now triple what they were in 2020, nuclear power may be more economical. Regardless, Entergy ceased operations at the Palisades Nuclear Plant on May 20th and will be selling the plant to Holtec International for decommissioning, which will cost an estimated $630 million and won’t be complete until 2041.

              2041 for one reactor!!! As I understand it France will have the thick end of 60 reactors to decommission- the expense is truly mind boggling let alone, as you say, the question of resources to do the work


              1. Wow. Yes, even with wise well intentioned leaders, how can we afford this with a shrinking economy, and even if we can afford it, where will we get the parts, tools, and diesel when global trade breaks down?


          2. I totally hear you, Rob. Maybe that’s a subject for another new post another day, preferably before things start looking too desperate, though. As Klingon Worf liked to say “Today is a good day to die” but today is not yet that day and Allah willing, we may have yet some good work to accomplish!

            To give a little more background, I think Mandrake mentioned that I must have been seriously disillusioned to leave medicine almost as I began it–one of the reasons was I was already bucking the system and asking too many whys and making my own decisions as an intern, so much so that I was regularly hauled into the chief resident’s office for a talking down. I could foresee that the road forward would be very rocky for me, and I would probably have ended up losing my license one way or another. In medicine, you are groomed to follow orders and there is a strict hierarchy, med students were the scum level, and working up to the attending and chief physicians. This is another insight on why it is so plausible, and in fact expected, that the medicos have all just fallen in line like ducks in a row. On my side, my work was excellent and they could not fault my patient care, but the higher ups did not like the fact I often did things in an unorthodox way but always for the benefit of the patient. Anyway, I digress a bit but what I wanted to say is that one of my major brouhahas was I championed euthanasia when it was still a taboo subject for most doctors. One of my patients had end-stage kidney cancer and it was looking like she would have a very painful ending and she didn’t want to even begin going through it. She asked me, the intern, for some help in getting information on ending her own life when the time came. She knew her attending physician would not have a bar of it, and in fact, might have even kept her under closer scrutiny. I had an undergraduate degree in Gerontology and one of our required classes was Death and Dying, so I was well versed in this subject, being keen on the ethical basis myself. Anyway, I gave her some of my books (notably Final Exit) and when the chief resident and the attending doctor found out, it almost made my own final exit. I stood my ground that I was only responding to what the patient asked for was information, and my supervising resident (who was somewhat sympathetic) pleaded my case that I was just a silly naive intern and somehow I got off with a severe reprimand. So, long story short (alas, too late!) I am also prepared to consider and execute (bad choice of words) my decision to end my life if and when I deem it no longer bearable or if by doing so I fulfil a greater cause. I say this with a great peace and it gives me certain comfort that this is a choice that no-one can take from me (unless they just take it from me!)

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            1. Thanks. I wondered why doctors don’t seem to think. I thought maybe they aren’t very bright and now understand the system trains them not to think.

              I wish I could find a doctor that thinks like you. In my community there is a shortage and it is impossible to get a doctor, good or bad. The only option for new comers is to use public health clinics or the ER.

              It pisses me off that nembutal is the most difficult drug on the planet to buy. I don’t want to pay $100+ to some dodgy source in China. And I’m not going to travel to Mexico to buy it from a vet. Do you know of a trustworthy online source? Maybe I should just buy some party balloon helium? Or would you recommend fentanyl?


              1. Hi Rob,
                You do realize that it’s common knowledge that pre-meds aren’t the brighest, just the most cut-throat and obsequious to nauseum! Most have been primed from early formative years to follow rules, do the “right” thing, don’t stand out from the crowd, and that’s how you’ll get ahead. Of course there are plenty of free-thinkers, but once we get inculcated into the higher education system which is the only ticket to medicine, there’s precious little time left to encourage disparate interests and ideas. There is probably a significant minority of doctors who began their careers thinking like me but the system ground them down to become the public minions that they are. I would think only a very small percentage aren’t practicing medicine anymore because of philosophical differences, or maybe now after Covid, the ones that always wanted leave finally got the courage or were forced out.

                The reason I left when and as I did was firstly because that’s who I am and I could not do what is against my convictions and live. But despite wanting to think I had a high moral ground, I once again turn to the financial implications. I left the medical profession with over $100,000 US in debt (private undergraduate and medical schools) which ballooned out to over $180,000 after some years of default. This was 25 years ago, so quite a significant sum. I had no way to pay that level of debt once I wasn’t going to have a doctor’s salary, in fact, I was totally unemployable despite my umpteen years of higher education. For a little while, I did retail and worked at a bagel chain (we ate a lot of bagels then). I was already married when I entered medical school and my husband was on the academic track and quite successful in his research program so he obtained a good post-doc position, but that still paid very little. Hence the years of default and mounting debt. Fast forward to our new start in Tasmania and he getting a permanent post in the University medical school. I would have easily continued default but my better half insisted that we front up to our debt and so we commenced repayment on a nominal rate, but still significant on our early budget. We still owe $160.000 and that is after nearly 20 years of making monthly payments just to service the interest. There is no hope of loan forgiveness in the States (we remain US citizens, although we have taken out Australian citizenship), not even bankruptcy will cancel student debt, only death. But we pay everything else first and forged ahead with our self-sufficient dream before tackling this monkey on our backs. This is just something we have lived with for half my life and counting. I can’t begin to tell you of the emotional and mental stress my decision has cost our family and I do think there is lingering resentment on several fronts that I have learned to bear. You can just imagine the anger and disgrace my parents (remember, they’re Chinese) felt towards me, and then there’s the pressure on my husband to keep his job.

                But most young doctors who become disillusioned one way or another just cannot walk away. They are usually still single and to be swamped by such a debt load is unthinkable. I don’t know anyone else who has done what I did, certainly not in my graduating medical class of 105, although I knew a few others who were having second thoughts. And the further you are along the road of this profession, the more reputation is at stake and possibly more financial commitments and familial expectations. Those of us entering the medical field have drank from the poisoned chalice, we are given a position of respect and power in society and relative financial comfort, but there is a price to pay. Dare leave the fold, or go against it, and you shall know vengeance. Sooner or later, all succumb to our true masters, BigPharma and the dictates of the various medical boards that hold your license (aka spokespieces of Big Pharma). Denial and the original intent of helping others keep one on the straight and narrow, that and a hefty mortgage perhaps.

                In regards to our other topic, I’ll have to follow up on that in another post. Suffice to say that any opiate derivative drug is a useful sedative, that includes codeine and morphine which should be easier to obtain than the others. It’s all in the technique which is actually spelled out quite clearly in Final Exit by Derek Humphry, the founder of the Hemlock Society. Not a bad book to have on hand at any time. I’m humbled with great respect for your openness and wish to help you gather any information you may need. You and all others have my compassion and support for this singular decision if and when you choose, just as I gather I have yours.


                1. Thanks Gaia. Very interesting insights into the medical profession. I knew none of it. You’ve had quite the life. Nice to meet someone who stood up for principles. I expect you are a fan of Dr. Pierre Kory.

                  I do have Final Exit and other similar books in my library so no need to explain more.


                2. Today’s essay by Dr. Sebastian Rushworth is relevant to your comments about the medical profession.


                  I recently gave a lecture to 70 primary care physicians here in Stockholm, titled “should the patient really get the drug?”. The lecture seemed to generate quite a bit of cognitive dissonance among some in the audience, based on the somewhat aggressive discussion that followed the lecture, which suggests to me that much of what I was saying was stuff they had literally never been exposed to before – not at any point in medical school, and not at any point during their careers after medical school either. Cognitive dissonance is good. It’s the first step towards change.

                  I thought it would be interesting to re-write the lecture as an article, so that more people can hopefully achieve similar levels of cognitive dissonance. Please feel free to share it with any doctors you know that you think might benefit from an expanded perspective. Anyway, here we go.

                  These are five things that you as a doctor can do about the situation we currently find ourselves in, where prescription drugs are the third biggest killer in the western world:
                  – Refuse to participate in industry sponsored lunches and other industry sponsored “education”.
                  – Try to avoid having your patients on more than five drugs simultaneously.
                  – Go through the patient’s drug list with them once a year, and get rid of anything that isn’t clearly conferring a benefit.
                  – Only prescribe a drug if the benefits clearly outweigh the harms.
                  – Prioritise lifestyle changes.

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                  1. Thanks for sharing that timely validation of what I was trying to explain. It looks like nothing has changed in the past quarter century of medical school education. I left for compounding reasons, one of which was in good faith I couldn’t prescribe drugs that I knew were harmful and weren’t the answer to the cause of illness, only covering up symptoms and manipulating lab numbers. And yet, if one didn’t prescribe the drugs, you were deemed not providing the standard of care and faced consequences, including losing your license. And remember, just having to renew a script is a reason for seeing the doctor who can bill for that freebie of a visit–it’s a bread and butter income generator in most practices.

                    Yeah, the drug lunches–that brings back memories. We were required to attend these sessions, usually once or twice a week, ostensibly for “education” but of course it was clearly just drug reps pimping us medical students and junior doctors to prescribe whatever the major pharma wanted to see boosted. Some of us vowed not to take their tainted food (I was not 100% faithful, sometimes the growling stomach won) but still we all ended up bedecked with pens, calculators, visors, clipboards (remember those? the ancestors of the modern tablet) emblazoned with the name of the drug of the day. The idea being that if you’re stymied about what to prescribe, you might just be reminded looking down at your pen, or pad of paper, or whatnot. One rather hilarious example you might get a laugh from was a mug I got which advertised an antifungal agent. But it wasn’t just the name of the drug on the mug but also the preparation format and indication in bold letters “Vaginal gel for candidiasis (thrush)”. Like that’s going to be a favourite vessel to drink from! I should have kept that one, at least it might have been useful to hold all the pens, penlights and other crap.


        2. Hi AJ,
          Hope things are going well for you and your family. I really appreciate your stance which shows your great reverence for life on Earth and the continuation of it–with or without our species. I can understand your concern about the nuclear question and our on-going responsibility to ensure the biosphere is protected from this threat. Because of our species’ great brains and hubris thinking we will always find a solution, we have dug out and concentrated radioactive elements which were safely in the ground, to harness their energy before trying to find a way to put them safely back into the ground, which is not a straightforward matter. The cat is well and truly out of the bag and it may take hundreds of thousands of years to put it back in, given the rate of decay. The possibility that something catastrophic can happen to our nuclear depots and waste will always be with this planet now, whether or not we are here to try to clean up our own mess. One only has to look at Fukushima to realise that geological forces of unpredictable magnitudes can create disasters at any time beyond our control, and given the timescale it is most likely that there will be other seismic events all around the globe that will awaken the dragon. I suppose the saving grace is it is unlikely that these cataclysmic events will happen all at once to release enough radioactivity to affect the entire planet, but then again, who can predict these things over thousands of years? I think we will have to own this as another addition to our dubious legacy (and rightly so, probably the most egregious), a lasting souvenir of Homo sapiens’ brief but spectacularly vivid dominance of this planet. Unless AI figures out a way to clean up after us or maybe we can shuttle it all to Mars for safe-keeping. Yeah, that’ll be the answer so we don’t have to worry too much now, phew!

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      2. Excellent thread. Reminded me of this recent post by Alice Friedemann on North Korea after the Soviet Union collapsed and their energy supply was disrupted. It didn’t go well.


        I do hold some small amount of hope that my own country might respond more like Cuba did as described in this excellent documentary.

        Ultimately I’m a big believer in the Monkeysphere (also known as Dunbar’s number) which is “the suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships. In other words, there is a number of other people that you can know and relate to at any given time – either in real life and social media, and that number is somewhere between 120-150.” Here’s a pretty humorous spin on it (although I’m not a fan of experimenting on monkey brains) https://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

        I think that’s at play here too in the whole Covid response saga and the lack of response to overshoot and is maybe linked to MORT / denial.

        I’m working on those actions in Korowicz final tweet.

        To your list of options above I’d say 2-6 are all possibly at play which would lead me to settle on 5 and 6 combined. My problem is I just don’t think our leaders are that well coordinated or aware. As a minor example I went to a community meeting last week run by the recent ex-deputy mayor of our local council. I asked if in her 6 years in that role whether the issue of peak oil had ever come up. No was the answer. So maybe I’m back to #5.

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        1. Excellent article on North Korea. I observe that despite the poverty they somehow found enough wealth to develop nuclear weapons.

          I’m thinking New Zealand will be a great place to be. I also like where I am but am worried about the drought stricken hordes with guns south of of me that are likely to migrate north.

          I think Gaia is making a similar argument about “the plan”. We don’t need a conspiracy to explain the behavior of thousands of health ministers, just tribal pressure and the desire to keep their jobs. Maybe “the plan” only requires a few people to be in on it. I’d guess the head of each powerful country, head of important central banks, and a few key players like Fauci and Gates.

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          1. I think it was Michael Mann, in a recent piece on NZ television (by the way, I’ve gone off Mann over the last few years as he refuses to admit that 1.5C is an impossible target or that renewable energy can’t power our economy), who said that Australia was probably the worst place to live and New Zealand the best place to live as climate change took hold.

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          2. Don’t forget Tassie! We’re kinda like NZ-lite, the mountains are less spectacular but we’ve got lots of sheep, too! But we’ve also got poisonous snakes and jack-jumper ants that cause anaphylaxis. So a point to NZ. However, we don’t have earthquakes or active volcanoes, that must bring us up level. Toss a coin and either way, you’d win and I think you’d be welcome in several homesteads!

            Regarding the other point (do we have to get back to serious stuff?) you are correct that I believe the Plan only needs a few to control all the rest in a top down, need-to-know basis, which is how our society seems to work in all areas and we’ve all gone along with it all this time without question. Think politics, business, military, the medical hierarchy, academia, the art and entertainment world–we’re all pretty much programmed to follow orders, don’t ask too many questions, report to your immediate supervisors but you won’t get a look-in with the top brass, you’re too low down the ladder. This is just how it is and always has been, and if you want to participate in this society, you’ll have to follow the rules. That’s the fundamental mass formation we’ve been swimming in all our lives and we don’t even recognise it because we’re fish (and small fry at that). So I can see how it’s totally logical and possible to have a small cadre of power players pulling all the strings, and we don’t even need to know who they really might be. The Faucis and Gates and the like are the key strings which move the puppet (the rest of us) to act out in a certain desired way (the agenda), but following this logic upward, they are not the ones controlling the whole show. It’s like a fractal, or the Russian nesting dolls, there’s always another who wields more power.

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            1. Hate to rain on your parade but last I checked NZ and Tassie are on planet Earth. The best is saved for last. A tasty dessert* for the ravenous planetary mob. Think Marial boat flotilla on steroids. Better get working on that cloaking device like in “Lost.” Hey but good luck.

              Hokey pokey ice cream is a popular flavor in NZ as I remember

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          3. One of our big challenges in NZ in the future will be keeping our roads open and infrastructure working. We have some of the most expensive roads in the world (we spend over 1.5% of GDP on roading). Our roads can not be built from concrete because we are so geologically active, so they are built from chip and asphalt. We experience a lot of flooding, bridge washouts, and slips – all require expensive diesel plant and skilled workers to fix. All of our highways are driven every day by a highwayman, to keep them clear. NZ only looks small on the maps, but it’s a similar land size to Italy, with a lot of mountains and rivers. If the sea level continues to rise, most of our useful infrastructure will be contaminated with seawater. Look up the challenges Dunedin is already having. Most of our big airports are right next to the ocean LOL (Dunedin airport had to be moved a few decades ago due to flooding). All our big cities are at sea level.
            As Gaia Gardener says, we are overdue for our next big earthquake on the Alpine fault line https://theconversation.com/nzs-next-large-alpine-fault-quake-is-likely-coming-sooner-than-we-thought-study-shows-159223
            Nutritionally-wise, NZ soils are minerally deficient because they are young soils. A way around this is to eat a lot of food from the sea, but our fish stocks getting low.
            I do think we may fair better than most countries, but it is certainly not going to be an easy ride either. I like to point these things out because NZ might not be as great as some people think it is. When you look over the last 100 years, only about 20% of immigrants ending up staying here permanently. Many went on to a better life in Australia, America or Canada, or went back to their home country.

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      3. Could the explanation for much of the events of the last few years be just as simple as some people said it would be? Conventional Oil production plateaued beginning in 2005, final peak in all Oil production was 2018, and we are now in terminal decline of energy production and a contraction of the economic system?

        Just asking, not saying this is the case. Time will tell.

        In economic degrowth how would any of the major parts of the current economic system work? Fiat currencies, debt-money created by loans by banks, bonds, equity markets, life and property insurance, futures markets, pension/retirement plans, government budgets based on tax revenues, etc. My guess is they don’t work, at least not very well.

        So my guess is the existing economic system “must” collapse when exponential growth powered by the annual increases in fossil fuel production ends. The end of that financial system is the end of the fiat money and debt “pump” that pulls forward consumption from the future, and from the periphery of that system to the center. The end of that pump results in a sharp economic contraction downward to a new global economic system with a lower level of energy production. Then we attempt to grow again from there.

        And so on….

        But I am just guessing.

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        1. Yes, I think we’re saying the same thing. If you thought I said something else then I need to fix what I wrote.

          Our monetary system requires growth not to collapse. We hit limits to growth a while ago and have been pretending otherwise by growing debt much faster than the economy.

          Now the end of the runway is in sight and things are starting to break. Some of our leaders, especially the central banks, understand this and are trying to get some tools in place via covid to help maintain social order when a reset is forced.

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          1. “Paging CPT. Sully…CPT. Sully you are needed in the cockpit.

            CPT Sully! Please report to the cockpit immediately”


            This life is not real. It is only for practice. If this life was real you would have been told where to go and what to do.


  41. Thanks to Herbie Ficklestein @ OFW for finding this.


    A fracking boom made the US the world’s biggest oil producer. Now its end is pushing gas prices much higher.

    “I don’t think OPEC has to worry that much more about US shale growth long term,” he said, adding that the firm “will be more cautious” through 2025.

    Supply-chain issues have also held the sector back from boosting production. Unique sand used for fracking is now in short supply, and prices have nearly tripled from where they stood just one year ago. That’s further hobbled the industry that’s crucial for matching supply with Americans’ extraordinary demand.

    “We can’t get enough sand,” Michael Oestmann, the CEO of Tall City Exploration, told Reuters in February. “We’re running less than the number of [fracking] stages we could pump in a day because we’ve run out of sand every day.”

    A reply by Student @ OFW nailed the implications:

    That is the real reason why we had to wait more than 10 years to see the current collapse after the subprime crisis of 2007-2008. Those 14 years could have been spent better, explaining to people what would be our destiny.

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  42. Well that’s a timely coincidence…

    Maajid Nawaz today interviews Dr. Mike Yeadon and asks exactly the same question as my post, “What is the reason that everything we’ve been told about covid is wrong?”.

    Nawaz concludes covid is a global plan to control citizens. Being apparently unaware or in denial of overshoot, Nawaz does not draw my proposed connection to collapse prep.



    1. The plot thickens so much that you can cut it with a knife. Excuse my mixed metaphors but we’re definitely into the pointy end of things now. Wow Rob, this trio of recent interviews (Weinstein and Malone, Malone and vanden Bossche and this one with Yeadon) really puts it all out there. I just can’t fathom how anyone who has even a few spare neurons to rub together upon hearing this won’t be able to get that we’ve all been duped in the most grievous way, and maybe that will stimulate the rest of the little grey cells to try to understand why it happened so. But truthfully, I hope most will remain in denial because if the masses truly awaken to the cataclysmic scenario we are envisioning through free fall economic collapse, we may be plunged into a situation from whence there is no recourse.

      Australia’s headline news today are twofold–our market plummeted 3.6%, wiping 90 billion AUD from the already illusionary cache, and there are threats of rolling blackouts in most of our states due to electricity shortfalls from a perfect storm of factors. Just getting us ready for what more fresh hell to come. That’s bad enough but what if no-one shows up to work at the power plants due to chaos and panic? And in America’s case, an angry mob of millions with guns ready to deliver their own justice? There is a very fine balance point needed here to keep things going just recognizably enough so we have some sense of continuity whilst the soiled sheets are changed from underneath us. The masses can never awaken, whatever it takes. I predict there will be ever more emphasis on sport, entertainment, and other distractionary devices, it will be bread and circus all the way now, even as Rome burns.

      Ironic that I had just finished dissecting Trudeau’s public facade and the poor mug got Covid again. By the way, we do all know that he is Fidel Castro’s son, right?


      1. We will require a delicate balance to avoid Mad Max.

        In case I wasn’t clear in the original post, I don’t personally want it, but I expect we’ll need a digital currency to keep the wheels on the monetary system, and for fair rationing of necessities. I also expect lockdowns for a ginned up virus are preferable to violent mobs in the streets.


        1. I think I was too young to truly appreciate the Mad Max series when I first saw it, long ago in a galaxy far, far, away. I never knew Australia would be my future home and the spectre of social collapse would hang precariously over all of us. Maybe it’s time to revisit these films and instead of rewinding history, we will see our future shimmering before us like a mirage in the desert. Yes, lockdowns and the boogeyman virus are very effective tools that can be sharpened further. One can see how a population, no matter how large, as in China, can be controlled quite convincingly once the government is omnipresent in every aspect of life, and how helpless one is, especially if city-bound.

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  43. Nice crisp powerful summary statement made on April 22, 2022 by Dr. Bret Weinstein asking health ministers and workers to stand up and speak the truth.

    “The Nuremburg trial did not accept the argument I was following orders.”



    I don’t know if the unmaking of Nuremberg is intentional. But regardless, the danger in these policies could not possibly be more real. We are setting the stage for the next tragedy of history. Our highest obligation is to resist and pull as hard as we possibly can in the opposite direction. If our rights are to be protected, if our health is to be improved, if we are to benefit from good vaccines and good medications and good information, we must regain control of our captured system. We must preserve the gains of Nuremberg, liberate the practice of medicine from the pharmaceutical industry, defeat the mandates and come together as Americans.

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  44. A lovely calm intelligent documentary released yesterday featuring Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and Dr. Robert Malone discussing:
    – what explains WHO behavior?
    – Bill Gates involvement in vaccine development
    – The strange flip by the Biden administration upon taking power from being mandate hesitant and vaccine skeptical to advocates of both (Rob: perhaps another piece of evidence that the central bank told them they had to get on board with “the plan”)
    – the growing power and authoritarianism of the deep state
    – Bossche’s theory
    – the criminal insanity of vaccinating children



    In this third episode of the Headwind documentary series dr Robert Malone and dr Geert Vanden Bossche debate on the pathway the virus will take, the new virulent strains the relentless vaccine boostering will produce and the crime against humanity which is the totally unnecessary Covid19 vaccination of children.

    Dr Malone and Dr. Vanden Bossche meet each other for the first time and debate on all these issues, with the stunning landscape of Southern Spain as a gorgeous backdrop.


    1. I agree with some of this. Bill Gates trying to tell us about health issues is a joke. The issue of vaccinating children isn’t criminal (there is no law against it) but, especially with Omicron, it seems unnecessary and, of course, potentially harmful (though rarely). However, a lot of what was said raised my eyebrows.

      Malone suggested pathogens tend to become more benign but he seems to miss the point of SARS-CoV-2 being most infectious before it produces symptoms in its host. So there is very little pressure on the virus to become more benign in order to more easily spread.

      Bossche is trying to present the fact that variants have become more infectious as proof that vaccines are resulting in more infectious variants. However, before Omicron, alpha, beta and delta were more infectious than the original strain (and delta particularly so) but arose in an environment when vaccines were either non-existent or only recently rolled out. All of those variants arose in unvaccinated populations (or, in the case of Omicron, a low vaccination country) and there were plenty of other variants which were not as infectious. We only get to see the more infectious ones.

      Malone acknowledged that some actions are needed to slow the advance of the virus to prevent health systems from being overwhelmed resulting in more deaths that would otherwise have occurred. However, he didn’t mention what actions they might be, given that he seemed against mask use and social distancing because they result in increased pressure for the virus to become more infectious.

      Bossche was saying we need to know where “the end station” is for the various strains to be able to make good policy. I.e. he seems to want us to gaze into the future before taking actions now to prevent that future.

      Malone seemed to be suggesting that so-called neutralizing antibodies seen early after vaccination were actually antibodies to betacoronaviruses that the body had encountered in the past. He didn’t say why they had been mis-identified as such (i.e. why were the labs showing these as antibodies to the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 and not to other virus spike proteins)?

      Bossche keeps going on about immune selection pressure as though it would be better to let all virus just reach its own end point. What does he suggest societies’ actions should have been, just letting it rip?

      Malone keeps mentioning the “leaky vaccine” which ignores the fact the most or all vaccines are leaky, to different degrees. And he doesn’t seem to think the rarity of adverse events is important, rather the fact that they could occur at all. I agree that the vaccine makes little sense for young children, since the protection against transmission (at least with Omicron) is low and the chance of serious illness is low.

      Insurance companies saying it’s a known risk seems bizarre (not that Malone or Bosche say it’s not) because almost everything one insures against is a risk and insurers know there is a chance of needing to pay out (in fact a certainty across all insured). So I’d need to find out the facts on that before knowing whether Malone was generalizing or not.

      Bossche’s comments on taking away our last chance of herd immunity by vaccinating children seems bizarre. So if we don’t vaccinate children, we might get herd immunity? It also assumes that mRNA vaccines don’t elicit a full spectrum response, but Malone said that they do except that drug companies haven’t quantified that because its difficult to do.

      Bossche seems to think, but admitted we don’t know for sure, that vaccines damage immune systems. I’ve seen some counters to that and I’m not sure Malone agrees with him (though he tried to make sure he didn’t overtly disagree with what Bossche said, referring instead to “nuances”).

      Malone: “we have to be humble”. Right! No-one knows everything about this. Good take-down of the NEJM editor, who suggested “just do it” to find out if vaccines for kids are safe and effective.

      So, it was a calm discussion among like-minded people but it didn’t really progress the discussion much, to my mind. At least it was only just over an hour long. So many discussions posted by, let’s call them contrarians, seem to be much longer. Even an hour is difficult to find time for.


    1. That’s why it’s called crypto–now you see it, now you don’t! Magic!

      Or a less facetious answer, it’s like a Zen koan, the answer that can be spoken is not the true one, we all just have to meditate on it. And then it will be generated from our brain waves.

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      1. The early episodes of Steve Gibson’s Security Now podcast do a great job of explaining how crypto works. So much of our world is built on the fact that it’s very hard to identify the two prime numbers used to produce a publicly known product of their multiplication.


    2. The other glaring elephant in the room is how is crypto going to be generated with the energy crunch? I think I read somewhere (and forgive me for not being rigorous here) that it takes an enormous amount of energy to keep the supercomputers going and cooled to “mine” the stuff. Now I’m curious about how much and here’s what I found just cursorily–The Digiconomist’s Bitcoin Energy Consumption Index estimated that one Bitcoin transaction takes 1,544 kWh to complete, or the equivalent of approximately 53 days of power for the average US household. !!!! Some days I really have to pinch myself to make sure I’m not dreaming, but if this is really reality, then maybe I rather be asleep, perchance to dream. Oh give me sweet denial, the soporific of the masses!


      1. That’s true. I think it may have been Dennis Meadows who said the best solution to climate change is grow bitcoin because it will burn up the remaining fossil energy faster while doing nothing of lasting value (damage) to the planet.


  45. Conformity:

    “Too many are too careful. They study, they teach, and they fail. Convention strips them of their fire.” – Charles Bukowski

    Most doomers are entirely passionless and/or avoidant concerning overpopulation, mainly because 99.9 percent are breeders. They will gladly partake in apocalyptic conversation centered on climate change, peak oil, nukes, etc., yet avoid THE most important, moral issue.

    However, TR from xraymike’s blog is a most welcome exception to doomosphere dullness:

    Verbatim quotes:

    It’s a great time to be a 73 [year] old childless codger. I’ve done my share of stupid stuff, so I feel qualified thru my experience to point out how stupid others are & it’s relatively easy.

    I don’t mind self-created consequences, should have thought more about a few of my decisions, but it pisses me off when the Clever Apes overpopulate this rock & I suffer from their collateral-damage stupidity. I’ll have to watch what suffering children experience in the future, consequences created by their self-absorbed parents. I enjoy the videos of women & their children escaping Ukraine, what a great life. I’m sure kids love a great adventure being completely lost in the fog of war. Parents aren’t special & it’s too late for them to fix their stupid.
    Best wishes,

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