Gail Tverberg on what to expect…

Hope for the Best, Plan for the Worst

Gail Tverberg is one of my favorite thinkers and has been writing about our overshoot predicament for years. In today’s essay she makes the most specific predictions I’ve seen on the probable outcomes of the economic deceleration caused by the Wuhan virus.

I suspect most of her predictions will happen, but I’m not confident on the timeline. It’s possible money printing will buy us a few more years, or maybe not.

I think we should hope for the best, and plan for the worst.

Regardless, time is running out to make preparations.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2020/04/21/covid-19-and-oil-at-1-is-there-a-way-forward/

Here are a few excerpts from her full essay.

COVID-19 and oil at $1: Is there a way forward?

Our basic problem is a finite world problem. World population has outgrown its resource base.

In this post, I suggest the possibility that some core parts of the world economy might temporarily be saved if they can be made to operate fairly independently of each other.

The COVID-19 actions taken to date, together with the poor condition the economy was in previously, lead me to believe that the world economy is headed for a major reset.

A reset world economy will likely end up with “pieces” of today’s economy surviving, but within a very different framework.

There are clearly parts of the world economy that are not working:

  • The financial system is way too large. There is too much debt, and asset prices are inflated based on very low interest rates.
  • World population is way too high, relative to resources.
  • Wage and wealth disparity is too great.
  • Too much of income is going to the financial system, healthcare, education, entertainment, and travel.
  • All of the connectivity of today’s world is leading to epidemics of many kinds traveling around the world.

Even with these problems, there may still be some core parts of the world economy that perhaps can be made to work. Each would have a smaller population than today. They would function much more independently than today, like mostly separate economic pumps. The nature of these economies will be different in different parts of the world.

In a less connected world, what we think of today as assets will likely have much less value. High rise buildings will be worth next to nothing, for example, because of their ability to transfer pathogens around. Public transportation will lose value for the same reason. Manufacturing that depends upon supply lines around the world will no longer work either. This means that manufacturing of computers, phones and today’s cars will likely no longer be possible. Products built locally will need to depend almost exclusively on local resources.

Pretty much everything that is debt today can be expected to default. Shares of stock will have little value. To try to save parts of the system, governments will need to take over assets that seem to have value such as farm land, mines, oil and gas wells, and electricity transmission lines. They will also likely need to take over banks, insurance companies and pension plans.

If oil products are available, governments may also need to make certain that farms, trucking companies and other essential users are able to get the fuel they need so that people can be fed. Water and sanitation are other systems that may need assistance so that they can continue to operate.

I expect that eventually, each separate economy will have its own currency. In nearly all cases, the currency will not be the same as today’s currency. The currency will be paid only to current workers in the economy, and it will only be usable for purchasing a limited range of goods made by the local economy.

These are a few of my ideas regarding what might be ahead:

(a) There will be a shake-out of governmental organizations and intergovernmental organizations. Most intergovernmental organizations, such as the United Nations and European Union, will disappear. Many governments of countries may disappear, as well. Some may be overthrown. Others may collapse, in a manner similar to the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union in 1991. Governmental organizations take energy; if energy is scarce, they are dispensable.

(b) Some countries seem to have a sufficient range of resources that at least the core portion of them may be able to go forward, for a while, in a fairly modern state:

  • United States
  • Canada
  • Russia
  • China
  • Iran

Big cities will likely become problematic in each of these locations, and populations will fall. Alaska and other very cold places may not be able to continue as part of the core, either.

(c) Countries, or even smaller units, will want to continue to limit trade and travel to other areas, for fear of contracting illnesses.

(d) Europe, especially, looks ripe for a big step back. Its fossil fuel resources tend to be depleted. There may be parts that can continue with the use of animal labor, if such animal labor can be found. Big protests and failing debt are likely by this summer in some areas, including Italy.

(e) Governments of the Middle Eastern countries and of Venezuela cannot continue long with very low oil prices. These countries are likely to see their governments overthrown, with a concurrent reduction in exports. Population will also fall, perhaps to the level before oil exploration.

(f) The making of physical goods will experience a major setback, starting immediately. Many supply chains are already broken. Medicines made in India and China are likely to start disappearing. Automobile manufacturing will depend on individual countries setting up their own manufacturing supply chains if the making of automobiles is to continue.

(g) The medical system will suffer a major setback from COVID-19 because no one will want to come to see their regular physician any more, for fear of catching the disease. Education will likely become primarily the responsibility of families, with television or the internet perhaps providing some support. Universities will wither away. Music may continue, but drama (on television or elsewhere) will tend to disappear. Restaurants will never regain their popularity.

(h) It is possible that Quantitative Easing by many countries can temporarily prop up the prices of shares of stock and homes for several months, but eventually physical shortages of many goods can be expected. Food in particular is likely to be in short supply by spring a year from now. India and Africa may start seeing starvation much sooner, perhaps within weeks.

(i) History shows that when energy resources are not growing rapidly (see discussion of Figure 3), there tend to be wars and other conflicts. We should not be surprised if this happens again.

Conclusion

We seem to be reaching the limit of making our current global economic system work any longer. The only hope of partial salvation would seem to be if core parts of the world economy can be made to work in a more separate fashion for at least a few more years. In fact, oil and other fossil fuel production may continue, but for each country’s own use, with very limited trade.

There are likely to be big differences among economies around the world. For example, hunter-gathering may work for a few people, with the right skills, in some parts of the world. At the same time, more modern economies may exist elsewhere.

The new economy will have far fewer people and far less complexity. Each country can be expected to have its own currency, but this currency will likely be used only on a limited range of locally produced goods. Speculation in asset prices will no longer be a source of wealth.

It will be a very different world!

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gwb
gwb
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 8, 2020 2:17 pm

Thank you for posting. I tried to post the link from the Nerd Has Power blog on James’ Megacancer blog, but his ISP blocked my message, with the notice that it “detected spam”. I figured that J.C. on a Bike would be doing a video right away on it…

If these allegations are true, then the creation of a fictitious RaTG13 virus must have been a deliberate attempt by the Chinese to deflect attention away from the non-natural, laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2, about the time that there were questions being raised about its origin. Would Zhengli Shi have willingly done something like this? Her reputation will be in tatters if this turns out to be correct. She may have been “asked” to do it, since after all, the PLA and CCP are in charge. We may never know.

gwb
gwb
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 8, 2020 2:54 pm

Oh, the USG has been funding this research for years, all right, through NIH and Dept. of Defense grants – the Harvard to the Big House blogger has documented that in great detail, in his January and March postings. The Chinese may have taken this research a bit further than we imagined, and have opened Pandora’s box. The clan of gain-of-function researchers has some explaining to do.

X
X
May 2, 2020 1:54 am

My take away messages: 1) the virus wasn’t man-made because no one is smart enough to do that. It was Nature who did the trick. 2) The vaccine may never come, don’t buy the hype.

X
X
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 5, 2020 12:56 am

Perhaps it is okay if another sip I post his previous interview in this space. I’m too dumb to figure out the big picture of this ‘another fine mess’, as Laurel and Hardy put it. A smartvirus, a viral stealth fighter? A virus that thinks? But like it or not, it’s product development. Mutations. It’s getting better, as the Beatles put it.

David
David
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 2, 2020 6:53 pm

That is the funniest thing I have watched in a long time. Thank you for posting it!

Perran
Perran
April 29, 2020 7:17 am

I came across this article on global dimming.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190122104611.htm
I wonder if the world is about to experience a temperature spike due to covid 19?

Perran
Perran
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 30, 2020 2:09 am

What a difference 8 years makes. When you wrote that review co2 was 392 ppm. We’re now at 415ppm.
Does economic collapse save us from a climate apocalypse or have we already passed the point of no return? What’s your take Rob?

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 28, 2020 12:30 pm

“not only have the public lost all faith in the media; not only do so many people assume, now, that they are being misled; but more than that, the media themselves have lost all confidence in their own ability to give us the facts.”

Tis true. Thing is the humans have some deep seated need to know & in lieu of creditable explanations from the media, they start making up their own versions of truth.

The two hardest things for most humans to admit are, “I was wrong” & “I don’t know”.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 27, 2020 11:12 am

Economists serve the same purpose as the priestly classes have throughout history – legitimizers of the system & the elites who run/own it.

Remember in 2008 when they said “who could have seen it coming?” That’s just the secular version of “God’s will” & God wills it”. They pull it out whenever they need to cover their failures.

Scapegoating is another. In 2008 they tried to pin it on the sub prime mortgage failure, which was a trigger, like Covid, not the cause. They even tried a scapegoat double down by claiming it was stupid poor people taking out mortgages they did not understand. Those people were a drop in the bucket. Plenty of middle class people stupidly refinanced (for consumption) & there were house flippers & wanna be landlords who took stupid risks/over extended. They all bought into the hype at the time. I was still living there when it went down. I saw the carnage & the hype that preceded it.

I think the only thing the ecnOpriests got right is the invisible hand. All plebs know it’s real because they can feel it reaching into their back pocket their entire lives & even beyond the grave. It’s may be invisible, but we all know who’s hand it is.

Perran
Perran
April 27, 2020 1:14 am

View at Medium.com

Seems like some people have trouble accepting “Planet of the humans” message. I think this article is a classic case of denial. I think a lot of people will have trouble accepting that renewables are just a derivative of fossil fuels.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 27, 2020 10:40 am

Yes, climate denial is not the only denial out there. Alt energy dreaming is not the only science denial from the left & when confronted with facts they act just as enraged & hysterical as right wing nuts. This is the fate of ‘believers’.

Ken Barrows
Ken Barrows
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 27, 2020 2:08 pm

Count on Richard Heinberg to show restraint, even towards people I suspect he thinks are full of shit–too few like him. I venture that most of the people apoplectic about Planet of the Humans are innumerate-a common societal malady.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 26, 2020 2:49 pm

They are not well educated at all & in spite of spending the most per capita on education. Last I checked the US was 31st in public education among OCED nations (Canada 7th). Money can’t fix stupid.

Functional Illiteracy: The Hidden Crisis Facing America

https://gentwenty.com/functional-illiteracy/

32 Million U.S. Adults are “Functionally Illiterate”… What Does That Even Mean?

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/32-million-us-adults-are-functionally-illiterate-what-does-even-mean/

The innumeracy is even worse. The scientific illiteracy is so off the scale they might as well be classified as a different species. I lived in the US for 8 years. I can confirm the wide spread idiocracy. Even among many of the so called collage educated (eg: my in laws) the degree of uncritical thinking was astounding. Sure the US still produces some very brilliant people, but their numbers have fallen while an ever greater number of citizens are dumbed down beyond belief. A line was crossed some tine ago. The morons are just too numerous to be carried by the few.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Apneaman
April 26, 2020 2:58 pm

There’s this too.

Looking The Other Way On Cheating In College

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereknewton/2019/08/31/looking-the-other-way-on-cheating-in-college/#757cf947392b

..

“Cases like the much-publicized (and enduring) 2012 cheating scandal at high-achieving Stuyvesant High School in New York City confirm that academic dishonesty is rampant and touches even the most prestigious of schools. The data confirms this as well. A 2012 Josephson Institute’s Center for Youth Ethics report revealed that more than half of high school students admitted to cheating on a test, while 74 percent reported copying their friends’ homework. And a survey of 70,000 high school students across the United States between 2002 and 2015 found that 58 percent had plagiarized papers, while 95 percent admitted to cheating in some capacity.”

https://www.edutopia.org/article/why-students-cheat-and-what-do-about-it

False Progress
Reply to  Apneaman
April 26, 2020 6:05 pm

One popularized solution was offered decades ago by C.M. Kornbluth. Maybe Elon Musk could provide the hardware, if not the gubmint, which is now full of what needs to ship.

Then again, Musk isn’t doing Earth any favors with his massive space junk initiative (aka global satellite Internet) corrupting every square mile with Facebook feeds.

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 22, 2020 6:34 pm

When it’s low, demand-based pricing feeds the public impression that oil isn’t truly finite. When it’s high, low-minded people blame the government. There’s less total oil in the ground every second, yet they’ll call undiscovered fields “new” oil because people hadn’t named them.

His point about not being able to restore untended wells was apparently a rare issue until now.

Watch for denialists buying fat vehicles during today’s unreal prices. Another major irritant is engine-idling out of laziness or apathy. https://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/53634/Idle-Threat

Apneaman
Apneaman
April 22, 2020 8:09 am

I’m wondering if tptb are approaching the point where they think they must attempt an economic “restart” damn the torpedoes? One thing I do not hear discussion of is what if govs lift their bans, but employers don’t because they believe the virus will quickly spread through the ranks and/or they fear potential employee lawsuits? Will the retard american armed protesters take their guns & demands to he corporate head office if their employer chooses to remain shut down until the worst of the pandemic is over?

My brother got laid off. He has a big mortgage, major consumer debt & two kids. His wife is a high school teacher & I think they are still getting paid & doing some non class room work. Teachers are not eligible for EI during the summer holidays unless their contracts were not renewed.

What happens if the lock down drags on? What happens when mortgages & car loans are not paid for months? Evictions & repossessions? First off, it costs money to evict & repossess. Secondly, what will they do with all the cars & homes & no buyers? Banks don’t want empty houses. Regardless of who owns the house all up-keeping bylaws still apply. Lawns must be mowed. Interesting times.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 22, 2020 11:31 am

Thanks Rob. I rarely shop online, but I just ordered 2 pair of Rx eye glasses from Zenni optical 3 days ago.

I have to admit that most of my prepping is purely psychological. I’ve been on the tools since I was 14 & can fix most things half a dozen different ways. I think that gives me a leg up on most of the competition eh? I’m getting old & not sure how much of a change I can tolerate. I already live kinda Spartan compared to my fellow consumer citizens & could give up more material goodies no problem. It’s the other stuff I’m unsure of. The authoritarianism & the herd. I trust neither. Folks already losing their shit & we’re just getting started. There’s more agendas than I can keep up with & most are using the pandemic to further their cause & wound their enemies. Nothing new, but jacked up. Another thing is the ten thousand “theories”. The level of anger & paranoia rises daily. If one of these morons walks in the kitchen a see’s a glass of split milk it’s because the Deep State sent Seal Team 6 to knock it over in the wee hours of the night. I think one of the better survival traits one could adopt is to simply keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on _______. I’ll leave the hysterics & marching in the street to those who “know” things with 100% certainty.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 22, 2020 4:22 pm

Looks really good Rob. The more you do the better you get & after a time you spot the patterns in building & repairing various things (wood, metal, cars, computers, etc). All your trouble shooting skills for engineering are transferable. Problems is problems. I just have the one trade ticket for BoilerMaking which is heavy industrial construction & maintence (toxic). All the other stuff is pretty much self taught & stuff learned from dad, uncles & a few back yard mechanic buddies over the years. There is an amazing number of step by step DIY repair videos out there too.

People can always learn. The culture kinda promotes helplessness. A certified “specialist” at one mundane job & useless at everything else. 1-2 generations ago at least 1/2 of these white collar corporate & government jobs, including CEO’s & upper management, were done by people who never went past grade 12. It was called on the job training. They had people, informal recruiters, who looked out for people with talent & potential. Now they won’t look at anyone without a degree. Some of the dumbest people I know have a degree – my family. Not impressed. There is no BA, MA, or PhD for curiosity is there? You can neither buy nor teach curiosity. Folks either have it or they watch TV/don’t. For those who have it their education only ends by dementia or death. I’m guessing necessity is going to motivate a whole bunch of people to learn a suite of new skills. No degree or permission required. I’ll wager many are going to find they are much more capable & resilient than they ever imagined & will like the feeling that goes with it.

Perran
Perran
April 22, 2020 4:58 am

Hi Rob, I just watched planet of the humans. Good doco if you haven’t seen it. If you go to roughly the 50 minute mark there is a section on denial. They just don’t quite connect the dots…..

MickN
MickN
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 23, 2020 12:26 am

“Terror Management Theory (TMT) is to Varki’s Mind Over Reality Transition theory (MORT) as Newtonian physics is to general relativity.”

Sheldon Solomon,according to Varki, acknowledges that MORT must be correct but seems more interested in the practical and experimentally provable results of denial rather than in Brower’s brilliantly original and simple but profound question – why did we go this way and why are we the only species to go this way?

Lucky for us he posed it to someone like Varki who had the intellectual ability and open-mindedness (quite rare it seems in an academic) to go of his career piste , or it may have died in the Arizona sands after Brower’s untimely death. Thanks also to Sharon Brower of course.

MickN
MickN
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 24, 2020 3:03 am

From the book Denial. Varki writes in the Chapter “An Improbable but True Story” – “In his letter to me,Solomon wrote: “We agree with your argument that the benefits of consciousness and self-awareness could only be reaped if they were accompanied by simultaneous mechanisms to deny death””

I discovered Brower and Varki’s work through your blog so many thanks.

False Progress
Reply to  Perran
April 23, 2020 5:08 pm

Very well done, if not perfect. The topic needs someone of Moore’s stature to shake up liberals/progressives stuck on “bright green” tech-heavy environmentalism. Get them out of their coffee shops and onto mountaintops removed by things beyond coal, which they automatically cast as the Devil in energy debates.

I assume Moore offers it for free to maintain the anti-commerce theme, but of course he’ll get some revenue. Ozzie Zehner is also heavily featured, deservedly so for his 2012 book.

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 24, 2020 7:06 pm

You know burning wood is just a continuum of burning carbon from current to ancient, back to current. Calling wood “renewable” minus regrowth context is the same loggers’ propaganda that never explains why old growth is still demanded. Their latest utilitarian spin is that young tree farms are better carbon sinks, so old growth is “bad” for us.

Wood chips are a convenient way to merge “scrap” with primary wood and skew percentages, not just burn it better. Once you’ve got chips moving around the world, their origin gets vague. This was the film’s biggest revelation for me. The ending scene with apes stranded in a lone tree was powerful stuff.

Some footage must have been gathered years ago. Too bad the Lowell Mountain scene wasn’t done in better weather, as it only showed a foggy glimpse of the razing. See https://goo.gl/maps/E9SURtTghjRMbfxq8 and some eco-denial on that project: http://www.greenmountaindaily.com/2012/10/14/on-wind-power-and-destroying-vermont/ (“Simpleton” comment well done!)

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
April 25, 2020 12:34 am

That’s interesting context. You probably know the story of the Golden Spruce and conscientious logger Grant Hadwin. If he’d been a milder sort he could have started a eco-blog in 1997 (same year “weblog” was coined) but how many people would it have reached?