Gail Tverberg on what to expect…

Hope for the Best, Plan for the Worst

Gail Tverberg is one of my favorite thinkers and has been writing about our overshoot predicament for years. In today’s essay she makes the most specific predictions I’ve seen on the probable outcomes of the economic deceleration caused by the Wuhan virus.

I suspect most of her predictions will happen, but I’m not confident on the timeline. It’s possible money printing will buy us a few more years, or maybe not.

I think we should hope for the best, and plan for the worst.

Regardless, time is running out to make preparations.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2020/04/21/covid-19-and-oil-at-1-is-there-a-way-forward/

Here are a few excerpts from her full essay.

COVID-19 and oil at $1: Is there a way forward?

Our basic problem is a finite world problem. World population has outgrown its resource base.

In this post, I suggest the possibility that some core parts of the world economy might temporarily be saved if they can be made to operate fairly independently of each other.

The COVID-19 actions taken to date, together with the poor condition the economy was in previously, lead me to believe that the world economy is headed for a major reset.

A reset world economy will likely end up with “pieces” of today’s economy surviving, but within a very different framework.

There are clearly parts of the world economy that are not working:

  • The financial system is way too large. There is too much debt, and asset prices are inflated based on very low interest rates.
  • World population is way too high, relative to resources.
  • Wage and wealth disparity is too great.
  • Too much of income is going to the financial system, healthcare, education, entertainment, and travel.
  • All of the connectivity of today’s world is leading to epidemics of many kinds traveling around the world.

Even with these problems, there may still be some core parts of the world economy that perhaps can be made to work. Each would have a smaller population than today. They would function much more independently than today, like mostly separate economic pumps. The nature of these economies will be different in different parts of the world.

In a less connected world, what we think of today as assets will likely have much less value. High rise buildings will be worth next to nothing, for example, because of their ability to transfer pathogens around. Public transportation will lose value for the same reason. Manufacturing that depends upon supply lines around the world will no longer work either. This means that manufacturing of computers, phones and today’s cars will likely no longer be possible. Products built locally will need to depend almost exclusively on local resources.

Pretty much everything that is debt today can be expected to default. Shares of stock will have little value. To try to save parts of the system, governments will need to take over assets that seem to have value such as farm land, mines, oil and gas wells, and electricity transmission lines. They will also likely need to take over banks, insurance companies and pension plans.

If oil products are available, governments may also need to make certain that farms, trucking companies and other essential users are able to get the fuel they need so that people can be fed. Water and sanitation are other systems that may need assistance so that they can continue to operate.

I expect that eventually, each separate economy will have its own currency. In nearly all cases, the currency will not be the same as today’s currency. The currency will be paid only to current workers in the economy, and it will only be usable for purchasing a limited range of goods made by the local economy.

These are a few of my ideas regarding what might be ahead:

(a) There will be a shake-out of governmental organizations and intergovernmental organizations. Most intergovernmental organizations, such as the United Nations and European Union, will disappear. Many governments of countries may disappear, as well. Some may be overthrown. Others may collapse, in a manner similar to the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union in 1991. Governmental organizations take energy; if energy is scarce, they are dispensable.

(b) Some countries seem to have a sufficient range of resources that at least the core portion of them may be able to go forward, for a while, in a fairly modern state:

  • United States
  • Canada
  • Russia
  • China
  • Iran

Big cities will likely become problematic in each of these locations, and populations will fall. Alaska and other very cold places may not be able to continue as part of the core, either.

(c) Countries, or even smaller units, will want to continue to limit trade and travel to other areas, for fear of contracting illnesses.

(d) Europe, especially, looks ripe for a big step back. Its fossil fuel resources tend to be depleted. There may be parts that can continue with the use of animal labor, if such animal labor can be found. Big protests and failing debt are likely by this summer in some areas, including Italy.

(e) Governments of the Middle Eastern countries and of Venezuela cannot continue long with very low oil prices. These countries are likely to see their governments overthrown, with a concurrent reduction in exports. Population will also fall, perhaps to the level before oil exploration.

(f) The making of physical goods will experience a major setback, starting immediately. Many supply chains are already broken. Medicines made in India and China are likely to start disappearing. Automobile manufacturing will depend on individual countries setting up their own manufacturing supply chains if the making of automobiles is to continue.

(g) The medical system will suffer a major setback from COVID-19 because no one will want to come to see their regular physician any more, for fear of catching the disease. Education will likely become primarily the responsibility of families, with television or the internet perhaps providing some support. Universities will wither away. Music may continue, but drama (on television or elsewhere) will tend to disappear. Restaurants will never regain their popularity.

(h) It is possible that Quantitative Easing by many countries can temporarily prop up the prices of shares of stock and homes for several months, but eventually physical shortages of many goods can be expected. Food in particular is likely to be in short supply by spring a year from now. India and Africa may start seeing starvation much sooner, perhaps within weeks.

(i) History shows that when energy resources are not growing rapidly (see discussion of Figure 3), there tend to be wars and other conflicts. We should not be surprised if this happens again.

Conclusion

We seem to be reaching the limit of making our current global economic system work any longer. The only hope of partial salvation would seem to be if core parts of the world economy can be made to work in a more separate fashion for at least a few more years. In fact, oil and other fossil fuel production may continue, but for each country’s own use, with very limited trade.

There are likely to be big differences among economies around the world. For example, hunter-gathering may work for a few people, with the right skills, in some parts of the world. At the same time, more modern economies may exist elsewhere.

The new economy will have far fewer people and far less complexity. Each country can be expected to have its own currency, but this currency will likely be used only on a limited range of locally produced goods. Speculation in asset prices will no longer be a source of wealth.

It will be a very different world!

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Perran
Perran
May 27, 2020 1:53 am

Apparently they’ve pulled planet of the humans off YouTube. Copyright infringement or some bullshit.

False Progress
Reply to  Perran
May 29, 2020 2:09 am

It was a photographer who’d documented rare earth mining but apparently doesn’t mind its impact unless it’s for something not officially “green” or “clean.” See: https://www.tobysmith.com/project/rare-earthenware-2/

One of the first images I found of Smith shows objects he seems to respect more than nature itself:comment image

It was a smug act but I think Moore will override it soon enough. One assumes all footage was obtained with permission. Eco-posers are just giving the film more publicity.

False Progress
Reply to  Perran
June 3, 2020 6:29 pm

Good to see they’re not taking it lying down:

They could offer it as a legal torrent vs. streaming delivery. Just get it out there again.

False Progress
Reply to  False Progress
June 3, 2020 6:43 pm

Update: It’s here for the moment and quality seems near the original:

(can be downloaded as a ~3GB file at 1080p)

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
June 9, 2020 3:17 am

FYI, I noticed Gibbs has kept a copy on Vimeo for 2 months; could have sworn it didn’t show up earlier. He may have just de-privatized it. I’ll leave the link to be found in a search.

I’m thinking smug/flaky Google management is a big factor in censorship. YouTube allows all sorts of crass material like trophy hunting porn as educational or recreational. “Don’t Be Evil” is a joke.

Apneaman
Apneaman
May 26, 2020 3:11 pm

{From emergency ICU health-care worker Kristen Martins.}

“My message to those protesting the stay-at-home orders in Minnesota, Tennessee, Washington, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, California, Arizona, Montana, and any other state & to Trump:

Come take a step into my daily hell.

Come tell me to my face that “fear is worse than the virus!”

Come walk into the trailer full of dead, rotting humans, and I will pick out a spot for your body, since it is “your body, your right”.

If “Jesus is your vaccine”, tell me why I am taking the rosary off my patient’s lifeless body?

Anyone protesting should forfeit their rights to receive any medical care. NONE. You are putting the lives of anyone you come into contact with because of your boredom and selfishness. You are putting every single healthcare worker’s life not only at an increased risk, but your disrespect for humankind because of your ignorance and stupidity is beyond appalling. You are a disgrace.”

https://kristenfmartins.wordpress.com/2020/04/21/running-out-of-outlets/

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  Apneaman
May 26, 2020 6:18 pm

Thanks, Apneaman. Heartbreaking, powerful stuff. It sickens me that anyone reading this, or a similar narrative, could minimize or deny the grimness of this disease and not engage ridiculously simple actions to help protect one another from it. But it’s a certainty that there are many who will do just that.

Apneaman
Apneaman
May 26, 2020 2:52 pm

It Hit 80 Degrees in the Arctic This Week

“This story will provide important context for the headline, and I encourage you to read it—but really, the headline tells you what you need to know: It was 80 degrees Fahrenheit above the Arctic Circle this week.

A little farther south, in Siberia—you know, the region of world we reference when we want to connote something cold—it was 86 degrees Fahrenheit. Arctic sea ice in the neighboring Kara Sea took the deepest May nose dive ever recorded. Oh, and random swaths of the region are on fire. Things are extremely wrong.”

https://earther.gizmodo.com/it-hit-80-degrees-in-the-arctic-this-week-1843606717

Apneaman
Apneaman
May 26, 2020 2:48 pm

The MPP in action, Alberta style….lmao

Alberta minister says it’s a ‘great time’ to build a pipeline because COVID-19 restrictions limit protests against them

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-alberta-minister-says-its-a-great-time-to-build-a-pipeline-because/

David Pursel
David Pursel
May 24, 2020 8:36 pm

I’ve visited Canada once, during March of 2015, when I drove from my home in the Midwest to Ottawa. The people I met and observed there were marvelously kind and reasonable, both to me and to one another. I noticed they had an ease of presence that I rarely experience in the United States anymore. I attribute much of that ease to a reduced overall stress burden as compared to US citizens. Upon my return home, I immediately sensed a heightened level of agitation and aggression from many members of my community as compared to my (admittedly brief) time in Canada.

There’s long been a deep sickness within a significant portion of the collective American (US) mindset. A combination of individual/national narcissism, the belief that freedom doesn’t require responsibility, general paranoia, rugged individualism at all costs, a pathological disregard for the welfare of others, and (more recently) a contempt for science. I struggle to see how this country can mend its ways, and thereby stop terrorizing itself and others.

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  David Pursel
May 25, 2020 11:00 am

Oops, I apologize for the double post. I don’t know how it occurred but it wasn’t intentional.

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 24, 2020 6:41 pm

Super informative and articulate podcast, Rob, thanks.

I don’t comment enough on your posts, but I read, appreciate, and get something useful out of every one of them. And thanks for occasionally tossing in a bit of comedy to lighten things up!

I’m really bummed today about how hostile so many people (particularly in the United States, where I live) are about wearing masks to reduce the spread of this disease. And I’m far from certain that common sense and scientific evidence will sway them. But this podcast gave me a few great tips to cope and manage the stress involved in our current predicament that I’ll put to use.

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 24, 2020 8:33 pm

I’ve visited Canada once, during March of 2015, when I drove from my home in the Midwest to Ottawa. The people I met and observed there were marvelously kind and reasonable, both to me and to one another. I noticed they had an ease of presence that I rarely experience in the United States anymore. I attribute much of that ease to a reduced overall stress burden as compared to US citizens. Upon my return home, I immediately sensed a heightened level of agitation and aggression from many members of my community as compared to my (admittedly brief) time in Canada.

There’s long been a deep sickness within a significant portion of the collective American (US) mindset. A combination of individual/national narcissism, the belief that freedom doesn’t require responsibility, general paranoia, rugged individualism at all costs, a pathological disregard for the welfare of others, and (more recently) a contempt for science. I struggle to see how this country can mend its ways, and thereby stop terrorizing itself and others.

David Pursel
David Pursel
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 26, 2020 4:07 pm

I can only agree. It’s another awful truth that’s hard to take.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 24, 2020 10:42 am

Some 3 billion people lost or had their jobs/income cut in the last few months, yet the stock market keeps rising. What better indicator is there that the stock market is disconnected from the real world & has little to no effect on most folks day to day lives? Let it crash & burn. The sooner the better. The system is beyond reform – it’s terminal. The sooner it dies, the sooner a new arrangement can be had. People fear change almost as much as death, which is funny because change is what the universe is all about.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 23, 2020 8:37 pm

15 years ago the cocky chimps were gleefully chanting, “drill baby drill”. Today they are terrified & pleading, “print daddy print”.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 23, 2020 3:47 pm

Negative interest – Negative growth – Negative emissions = Negative reality. I’m wondering just how comical (to me) theses expert ‘solutions’ can get? They’re like the keystone cops running around with a big box of magic band-aids trying to patch up a critically wounded & dying system.

Apneaman
Apneaman
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 23, 2020 8:22 pm

Promise the chimps more, throw in a touch of pseudo science razzel dazzel & they will follow you anywhere including over the cliff. Humans are a universal joke.

The new astrology

By fetishising mathematical models, economists turned economics into a highly paid pseudoscience

“In 2000, USA Today quoted Robin Griffiths, the chief technical analyst at HSBC, the world’s third largest bank, saying that ‘most astrology stuff doesn’t check out, but some of it does’.”

“The notion that an entire culture – not just a few eccentric financiers – could be bewitched by empty, extravagant theories might seem absurd. How could all those people, all that math, be mistaken? This was my own feeling as I began investigating mathiness and the shaky foundations of modern economic science. Yet, as a scholar of Chinese religion, it struck me that I’d seen this kind of mistake before, in ancient Chinese attitudes towards the astral sciences. Back then, governments invested incredible amounts of money in mathematical models of the stars. To evaluate those models, government officials had to rely on a small cadre of experts who actually understood the mathematics – experts riven by ideological differences, who couldn’t even agree on how to test their models. And, of course, despite collective faith that these models would improve the fate of the Chinese people, they did not.”

https://aeon.co/essays/how-economists-rode-maths-to-become-our-era-s-astrologers

X
X
May 16, 2020 9:05 am

Rob, are you familiar with Pentti Linkola’s work? He was a Finnish fisherman, essayist and deep ecologist. Georg Henrik von Wright, the successor of Ludwig Wittgenstein, regarded him as the most profound Finnish philosopher. Linkola died in April. I hope these links work and are good enough, if not, maybe you can find better ones. His last book is available in English. He considered his previous book his magnum opus but it hasn’t been translated.
https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-04-05—pentti-linkola-s-last-interview-was-published-on-thursday-on-kulttuuritoimitus—he-talked-about-the-coronavirus–%E2%80%9Cit-helps-something%E2%80%9D-.BJx6UCDPwU.html
https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-04-05—pentti-linkola-snapped-hard-text-in-his-last-interview—and-praised-greta-thunberg-.Sye6BQEPDI.html

False Progress
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
May 16, 2020 12:42 pm

“Now however these idiots have a right to be worried. Their entire way of life is circling the toilet, like a massive turd, while they watch, mesmerized.”

Speaking of circling, this clip is realistic when you know how people act:

(described as “crowd dynamics…”)