
I’m new to the work of Dr. Malcolm Kendrick but a skim of his blog suggests he has many wise things to say and has written several books that I intend to read.
I was unable to find many videos with Dr. Kendrick, and some that were on YouTube have been deleted by censors, but I did very much enjoy this must watch November 2020 discussion on Covid19.
Today’s essay by Dr. Kendrick may be the best I’ve read on Covid19 and nicely articulates how I’ve been feeling of late.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/09/03/i-have-not-been-silenced/
Despite Dr. Kendrick’s expertise, intelligence, curiosity, and determination, he has been unable to determine what is true about Covid19, and has decided to retreat to sanity.
My self-appointed role within the COVID19 mayhem, was to search for the truth – as far as it could be found – and to attempt to provide useful information for those who wish to read my blog.
The main reason for prolonged silence, and introspection, is that I am not sure I can find the truth. I do not know if it can be found anymore. Today I am unsure what represents a fact, and what has simply been made up. A sad and scary state of affairs.
… So, I have given up on COVID19. It is a complete mess, and I feel that, without being certain of the ground under my feet, I have nothing to contribute. I too am in danger of starting to make statements that are not true.
… faced with a situation where there are almost no facts that can be relied upon, from anywhere, I have officially removed myself from all discussions on the matter of COVID19.
Instead, I shall return to other areas where, whilst the truth is constantly battered and bruised, and lying in a bruised heap the corner, it is still breathing … just about alive. Sometimes it is capable of weakly raising its head and whispering quietly into my ear. I shall let you know what it says.
Before departing the arena Dr. Kendrick summarized what he believes is true about Covid19:
- SARS-CoV2 probably resulted from gain of function research in the Wuhan lab, but we’ll probably never know for certain.
- The current versions of SARS-CoV2 are a bit more deadly than our modern influenzas with an infection fatality rate (IFR) of about 0.15%.
- None of the test data can be trusted.
- It is impossible to compare the effectiveness of various strategies using available data.
- Misinformation exists on all sides of the debate.
- Everyone has an agenda including the fact-checkers.
I’m going to try to follow Kendrick’s lead and return my focus to the many much more important overshoot issues that are grounded in reliable science that we collectively deny.
Very interesting. Something big is afoot in China. The government is tightening control with many important policy changes.
Doug Noland suspects they’re getting ready to weather the storm that will occur when the global everything bubble pops.
http://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2021/09/weekly-commentary-easy-money-anesthesia.html
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That was the scariest analysis of finance I have read in a long time. If his analysis is correct Xi (Chinese leadership) is seeing a collapse of the worldwide economic system coming soon, and they are attempting to assert a more “communistic” control on the country. The absolutely scariest line of his analysis was that Xi would probably attack Taiwan to divert internal criticism away from the party. Would an attack on Taiwan precipitate nuclear war? It would be the end of the economy as we know it. Collapse is so unruly!
AJ
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The 13th anniversary of the death of capitalism is in a couple of weeks.
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Thanks to Gail Zawacki for bringing to my attention Eric Pianka and his book “Our One and Only Spaceship: Denial, Delusion, and the Population Crisis”.
https://oneandonlyspaceship.com/
Click to access eric-r.-pianka-overpopulation.pdf
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Sorry Rob,
I disregarded our previous discussion and watched the power point presentation that the authors’ have on their web site (for the book). I ordered the book. These two scientists seem to get it. The problem is too many people (throw in denial) with too much stuff causes problems that will destroy us. Seems like a potential good read. I’ll let you know in a few weeks (if we are all still around!!).
AJ
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Pianka also wrote a classic textbook on ecology that’s in its 7th edition and is available at the site I mentioned earlier.
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This year they decided to beat the rush and fail before the COP26 conference is even held.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/4/us-china-climate-change-talks
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Chuckle of the day from Bei Dawei…
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h/t hillcountry
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Whoopsie doopsie
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There is a great documentary on our sordid history with water. Cadilac Desert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2BSGQt2DU&t=365s. It inspired an excellent fiction novel called “The Water Knife” about the governments of near future SW united states fighting over water rights. I highly recommend both as entertaining and informative to those who are collapse informed.
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Thanks! Looks really good. Will definitely watch.
FYI, the book by Marc Reisner that it’s based on is available for download at the usual places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Desert_(film)
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I’ve been following Dr K. for many years now and was pleasantly surprised to see your comments yesterday at his latest blog. The comments are worth reading too except that they usually number into the hundreds! His books are excellent, especially Doctoring Data. I have some of his videos bookmarked….if they’re still up on YouTube I’ll send you links.
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Thanks Bev. I very much like the way he thinks independently. I plan to read Doctoring Data.
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Rob, I’ve Googled “Malcolm Kendrick YouTube” and there are many links still working; too many to bother about sending you the links, so have a go yourself.
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Thanks I see them.
I was looking for Covid material by him and most of that seems to have been removed.
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I don’t think there ever was much Covid stuff. He’s mainly into heart disease. That video with Ivor Cummins js the only one I remember. He’s written more Covid stuff on the blog and has had warnings from the UK medical establishment about that and his stance on statins.
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The banality of evil: NHS document shows GP’s to be paid an additional £10 for every child they inject with a Covid-19 Vaccine on top of the £12.58 already received – & Google are trying to hide it.
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/09/04/gps-to-be-paid-22-pound-for-every-child-they-inject-with-a-covid-19-vaccine/
Click to access C1384-Vaccinating-children-and-young-people-frequently-asked-questions.pdf
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If I were to pay the DR £20 do you think I could just get them to just say they injected my kid.
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I’ve been digging a little deeper into the work of Dr. Malcolm Kendrick and I’m really impressed.
Watch this talk by him on the corrupt state of drug effectiveness data, and then think about the implications of him saying he’s unable to figure out the truth about Covid.
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Navigating overshoot and limits to growth seems to take a toll on the most powerful position in the world. Two presidents in a row can’t form a coherent sentence.
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It’s the Make America Great strategy.
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More on China’s financial market problems…
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“I’m going to try to follow Kendrick’s lead and return my focus to the many much more important overshoot issues that are grounded in reliable science that we collectively deny.”
Amen to that. In the beginning of COVID I spent plenty of time and was vividly involved in discussions and any new foundings. But many months ago I just understood that there is no way for layman to learn all the facts and correctly decide what is the real picture. It was just lost of time, energy and other personal resources.
It is definitelly better to focus on the overshoot and related areas – COVID is just small bump on the road (anyway predicted many years ago – doesn’t matter if it is 100% natural, or got some “help” from smart apes).
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I agree with you! I just want to be able to remain agnostic about COVID-19 etc. to keep an open mind
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Dave Cohen today with a similar message to that of Dr. Kendrick…
https://www.declineoftheempire.com/2021/09/defending-reality.html
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Just off-topic, I saw Apneaman’s comment on megacancer which I still look at from time to time (to see how strangely thoughts of brilliant people may roam). I hope he is going to come back here as well after long break. I really like his sanity and great comments…
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I’m not sure if you no longer want any links or comments about the Rona. Let me know and I won’t post anymore if that is the case. I read this article today and found it insightful. I really felt it seemed like an honest critique.
View at Medium.com
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Thank you very much. Feel free to post intelligent articles on any topic. It’s a very good essay by David Fuller reviewing the claims of Weinstein/Heying and reinforces Dr. Kendrick’s conclusion that Covid truth is elusive.
When I first run into someone apparently intelligent and open minded like Fuller one of my quick tests to establish their credibility is to scan the topics of their body of work to look for evidence that they are aware of the proximity and severity of human overshoot. This test is important because overshoot is without doubt the most important issue, by far, that we should be discussing and so anyone that claims to be a truth seeker and that does not have overshoot front an center is probably a normal human with a high level of genetic reality denial and thus should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Fuller has over 300 videos on YouTube and I do not see a single one addressing the main topics of overshoot: over-population, non-renewable resource depletion, ecological collapse, limits to growth, unsustainable debt, etc.
Have you followed Fuller for long time? Are you confident he is a voice we should trust?
P.S. Weinstein and Heying also don’t discuss overshoot. Nor does Sam Harris.
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No I haven’t followed fuller at all and I rather like your litmus test. I only posted it because it came across as an honest attempt at disputing some of the claims around ivermectin etc. There was no labelling of people as right wingers, anti-vaxers or conspiracy theorist. He wasn’t belligerent towards Brett or Heather or anybody else.
I’m reading and listening to the public debate over vaccination in my country at the moment and I’m beginning to feel rather terrified. It is so polarising. I can honestly say that vaccine passports was not my list of things that I’d see on the road to olduvai.
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Of all the things that may be true about Covid-19, there is one I know for sure: Our global response to the issue has comprehensively destroyed any hope I had left that society may respond effectively to energy, environment and overshoot issues. There is nothing for it now but to enjoy the fireworks.
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Amen! That’s exactly how I’m feeling.
We have collectively gone crazy in response to a very modest threat.
God help us when the real threats start to bite.
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Rob,
I would agree with you that if someone isn’t focused on overshoot, overpopulation, and denial or at least mentions them they would be suspect.
I read Fuller’s long piece and he seems to make many good points that one should be suspicious of all of the players. But he seems to not even be aware of the possibility (or discounts it?) that the medical establishment, big pharma and the “science” connected to them could have an incentive to suppress something cheap like Ivermectin/hydroxy chloroquine in favor of making a lot of money, or that keeping or gaining prestige/retaining jobs & status could could play a factor in their pushing vaccines. He doesn’t appear to look at incentives or conflicts of interest very closely, except when it suits him.
AJ
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That kind of talk will get you banned on Twitter by Michael E. Mann – he considers hard-eyed realists as more objectionable than deniers. I’m somewhat sympathetic to his negative view on passivity, but also believe if we’d been ‘realistic’ about the human predicament, especially decades ago when J. Hanson warned us about the dangers of GW we might have gone down a different path. But probably not given MPP, easy access to FF and the seeming inevitability of overshoot.
The concept of the “global response” is interesting. Take a film like “Home Alone” in which the McCallister family forgets about little Kevin and fly off to Paris without him. Sure it’s just a movie, but it captures the quintessence of how humans F-up at the family level, let alone the band or civilizational level. Frankly I’m thankful things are holding together as well as they are.
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Then again we were capable of putting Man on the moon. Go figure.
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Dr. Kendrick led me to another intelligent voice, Ivor Cummins, whose podcast is excellent.
https://thefatemperor.com/
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Joe Rogan today discusses elusive truth…
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Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying today were on Joe Rogan’s podcast talking mostly about their new book.
Lots of interesting topics covered including a little on the impossibility of permanent growth on a finite planet. They assume that we are genetically wired to desire growth and that we need to find a non-material substitute to satisfy this need.
They’re probably right but completely missed the elephant in the room which is that modern industry, technology, health care, education, social safety nets, and citizens owning a nice home and a bicycle all require plentiful affordable credit, and plentiful affordable credit is only possible in a growing economy. That’s why our monetary system is designed as it is.
A side effect of this design is that if the economy contracts, lots of wealth will vaporize due to defaulting debt, since one person’s debt is another person’s asset. That’s why central banks in most countries of the world are doing things we deemed insane only a decade ago.
I wrote more about this here:
Teaching everyone how to cook a new recipe or sing a new song will not keep the credit flowing. In addition, our current strategy of buying $1 of growth with $4 (and climbing) debt is equivalent to lengthening a burning fuse in exchange for adding more dynamite.
The big brains like Weinstein and Heying should be focused squarely on this issue because if we can’t figure out how to retain a civil society as material wealth contracts, as it must and will soon due to depletion of non-renewable low cost energy, and ecosystem damage, nothing else will matter.
I personally think democratically supported rapid population reduction policies are the only good path forward, but perhaps smarter people than me can think of a better solution.
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I am affraid that “democratically supported rapid population reduction policies” are inherently self-contradictory.
It looks that only policies that would work are non-democratically implemented…
Generally – majority will never support something that is against our wired nature…
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Perhaps if our idiot leaders told the citizens what the alternatives are they might support population reduction. Even if the majority still rejects population reduction policies, there will be a bunch of people that choose to have fewer or no children after listening to the debate, which will help.
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The basic problem with these vaccines is that during the product development stage they used Reduction in the severity of Symptoms as the metric of success. They did not use prevention of infection as the measure of success. So that is what they developed a “vaccine” that reduces the severity of symptoms of covid but does not prevent people from getting and transmitting the virus. In the short run that probably has some benefit but in the long run you can make the virus worse. But hey that is a win- win for the pharmaceutical companies.
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I wonder if it was ever possible to have a non-sterilizing vaccine that would, if given to enough people, conferred immunity? Or, do non-sterilizing vaccines always push for the evolution of variants that escape the vaccine no matter how many people are vaccinated?
AJ
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I have read that the type of virus matters, due to the mechanism by which they attack the cell. Since this is a coronavirus it is able to mutate quickly and evade the vaccines protections. Also the antibodies created when vaccinated are not long lived in the body, so in a few months any protection has waned. Just a laymen tho!!
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Off topic…but I wonder what happened to ole Dan the Miami Beach Grim Reaper? I enjoyed following his antics. Last I heard he got accused by the law of “violating rules of professional conduct” which in Florida I guess rises to the standard of lurking around in a black robe and blocking the sacred tanning rays of Spring Breakers. The scythe might have been a tad intimidating, especially to the safe space crowd. No doubt walking around in the equivalent of a burka and getting sand flies up his skirts slowed him down some – and calling out “I am death” probably got a bit old too. If I’d run into him I’d definitely have invited him out for a beer, some salmon pate and possibly a game of chess.
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First I’ve heard of him.
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That get-up had to be mucho uncomfortable. Cue pic of derrière of gal playing beach volleyball – If you’re going to get sand up your bum this is how you do it.
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Sorry Rob, I guess it’s not that kind of website. Back to Ivermectin and pass the pate.
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At some point the bubble will be too big to bail out. I have no idea if we’re there yet, or if this will be the trigger, but I’m stepping up my preps just in case.
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David Holmgren today gives his permaculture perspective on Covid, and does a really nice job of articulating the views of the two Covid tribes.
I’ve followed Holmgren for years and I consider him one of the few wise men on this planet. I find it comforting that he shares my personal views on Covid.
https://holmgren.com.au/writing/pandemic-brooding/
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I apologize for copying the entire article (paywall) but I found it worth the read. I did my best.
‘The woke don’t give a reason for their faith. It’s different rules of engagement’
After ten years trying to do the job he loved, Peter Boghossian describes writing his resignation letter as brutal. He always felt that it was his professional duty as an assistant professor of philosophy to apply the same spirit of rigorous interrogation that underpins his own discipline to the “dominant moral orthodoxy” on campus: wokeism.
He ruffled feathers. He was repeatedly investigated by his university’s “global diversity and inclusion office”. He really upset many of his fellow academics by writing spoof research papers and placing them in social science journals to highlight questionable academic standards in fields such as gender studies.
Boghossian — the name comes from his paternal grandparents, who emigrated from Armenia to the United States — was thrust into the national spotlight this week by his letter accusing Portland State University in Oregon of becoming a “social justice factory” where students are “being trained to mimic the moral certainty of ideologues” rather than think for themselves.
The attack reverberated across academia and seemed to sum up much that is going wrong in an era when the clash of ideas seems to have been quashed by a conformity of thought.
“That letter truly was the hardest thing I ever wrote, and I’ve written a ton of stuff,” says Boghossian, 55, in a phone interview from his home in Portland. “And then when I hit ‘send’ I never felt so free. I wasn’t going to be complicit in the system any more, a system that was ostensibly set up to help people but has betrayed the public trust. I just couldn’t bear it any more.”
He has been inundated with emails of support from academics, students, “people I don’t even know”, as well as media requests. In the US, however, the interest has all been from one side of a polarised nation.
“There’s been a feeding frenzy to get me on conservative news shows,” says Boghossian, who backed Andrew Yang, a maverick entrepreneur, in the Democratic primary, and who told an interviewer a few years ago that he had never voted Republican. “I don’t consider myself a conservative! Not a single liberal or left-of-centre show has invited me. And I put out a message [on Twitter] saying I would love to have a conversation.”
During a long and varied career, he has co-written a book called How to Have Impossible Conversations. That’s not what academia appears capable of doing at the moment, he says. He believes the kind of Socratic dialogue that he tried to teach students from day one is being purged from campus. As he put it in his letter, rather than a “bastion of free inquiry” the university had become a place where the “only inputs were race, gender, and victimhood and whose only outputs were grievance and division”.
He may have found freedom but sounded exasperated and exhausted on the phone. “We need to have these conversations,” he said. “We are talking about our engines of knowledge production. We are talking about our university system.”
How did it come to this? It’s complicated, he says. The high cost of university in the US may have contributed, with a fear of not offending the student customer or making them feel unsafe lest they take dollars elsewhere.
“I think that is a little part of it but it is a problem that has many parts. There is not just one answer to how we got into this mess. The fact that universities have become a business, that is part of the problem. But I don’t think it plays that much of a role because you’re talking about true believers here.”
Once upon a time the edgy malcontent was a feature of most university departments, beloved by students even if they were a thorn in the side of the administration. The accolades Boghossian has received on ratemyprofessors.com generally sing his praises. “You will not find another prof like him. He critiques what academics are too scared to and offers an insightful and eye-opening perspective,” says one (all reviews are anonymous).
“Peter is one of the coolest teachers I have had. I think his critical thinking class could be one of the most helpful classes I will take in my college experience,” says another.
A third student writes: “I personally am a bit of a social justice warrior and am very liberal, queer, and feminist, and I really appreciate what Peter is bringing to the table. It is unfortunate that he has been painted as a villain — he isn’t. If you really listen to him, you’ll see he is on your side.”
Another notes: “The only downside is that his real passion these days is anti-wokeness, and it seeped into most lectures in the form of mini-rants.”
Boghossian’s crusade against the dominance of grievance culture on campus led to a steady accumulation of recriminations. They became unbearable. In 2016 he faced a formal inquiry into a series of baseless accusations from a former student. “Students of mine who were interviewed told me the investigator asked them if they knew anything about me beating my wife and children. This horrifying accusation soon became a widespread rumour.”
The global diversity and inclusion office eventually concluded that there was “insufficient evidence that he violated PSU’s prohibited discrimination and harassment policy”. Nevertheless, he was no longer “allowed to render my opinion about ‘protected classes’ or teach in such a way that my opinion about ‘protected classes’ could be known”. Protected class is a legal term covering groups based on sex, race, creed and other categories, or, as Boghossian puts it, “a protected class is somebody whose ancestors have been historically oppressed”. He believes it was meant to stop him challenging campus orthodoxy. “If somebody says, ‘Do you think African-Americans should be enslaved?’, I’m not allowed to render my opinion about that. It’s crazy.”
“Examples that would come up in ethics class: should there be separate bathrooms for men and women? Should there be reparations based on historical injustices? If you want to do ethics in any meaningful way, they have to come up in an ethics class.” He felt he was being prevented from doing his job. Even so, in an act of rebellion as much as scholarship, he continued to stir things up with a campaign to publish bogus social science papers, saying that he “became convinced that corrupted bodies of scholarship were responsible for justifying radical departures from the traditional role of liberal arts schools and basic civility on campus”.
The first, The Conceptual Penis as a Social Construct, was published in Cogent Social Sciences. It argued that penises were products of the human mind and responsible for climate change. He immediately revealed it was a hoax and why he did it. Swastikas began appearing on campus written with his name on them. “They also occasionally showed up on my office door, in one instance accompanied by bags of faeces.”
He prepared 20 more hoax papers with two co-authors to “shake the university from its madness”. Seven were published, including one that argued there was an epidemic of dog rape at dog parks and proposing “that we leash men the way we leash dogs”. He said: “Our purpose was to show that certain kinds of scholarship are based not on finding truth but on advancing social grievances.”
It meant another university inquiry. Some colleagues accused him of harassment for tweeting about them; in one case Boghossian highlighted an article entitled “Math is racist” based on a book examining how algorithms and big data were “targeting the poor, reinforcing racism” that was shared by a fellow academic with students. The tweet was picked up by conservative media, which ridiculed the academic as woke. More questions from the global diversity and inclusion office.
He defended his use of Twitter to stir debate in a letter to the Chronicle of Higher Education, saying: “Extramural criticism is one of the few avenues left now that academic journals have become echo chambers that reinforce and promote specific ideological lenses.”
Boghossian said that he tried to engage with his campus critics but to no avail. “I invited my colleagues from the women, gender, and sexuality studies department to join me on stage . . . and then again at an on-campus public event days later. They declined or ignored the invitations.” He says that non-engagement with critics is one of the defining traits of wokeism. “I teach the arguments for the existence of God. But I’m an atheist, I don’t believe those arguments. So I try to bring in people who believe those arguments. That’s what education should be.
“It is built into the Bible in 1 Peter 3:15 that you should be able to give a reason for your faith. It is exactly the opposite with the woke. It is baked into their ideology that you don’t talk to Nazis. Even having a conversation is looked at as empowering. And so there’s no point in having a conversation with someone, particularly if they’re privileged . . . They have different rules of engagement.”
He does not have high hopes that the rot, as he sees it, can be reversed. “To teach in this country you need a teaching certificate. You have to go through teacher education. The problem is that virtually all of our [teacher training] institutions have been indoctrinated into social justice ideology, the woke mindset.”
Boghossian, who was born and grew up in the Boston area before heading over to the west coast “for love”, also spent some time living in London before taking up his appointment in Portland. He would go along to Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park to listen to debate and was alarmed to hear that a woman was slashed with a knife there in July. “I’m not that familiar with the structures of [British] universities and the safeguards you have in place but my guess would be that it’s coming, it is only a matter of time. It’s just a guess, I could be wrong.”
The relentless investigations sapped his desire to continue. He has set up a charitable foundation, the National Progress Alliance, “to promote free expression and civil discourse in the current culture war through grants, partnerships, educational material, and incubation of emerging organisations and influencers”. It is little more than a website at the moment but he has been encouraged by support from across the academic world.
“I love teaching but slowly the university made it impossible for me to do the thing I was hired to do,” he says. “I don’t teach maths, I teach reason. I teach ethics, I teach critical thinking, and there will be issues that come up in those classes that some people simply won’t like. If you’re teaching accounting and you put the number 54 in a ledger, nobody’s going to tell you they’re offended about that. But philosophy should challenge your thoughts, that’s what Socrates did, that’s what all philosophy has been, it has been a history of examination and challenging and questioning. But the university didn’t allow me to do that.”
His new crusade is to promote “cognitive liberty”, the freedom for students to reach judgments based on the battle of ideas rather than measure them against the moral certitude of wokeism. “The problem is you have people who don’t see the university as a symposium, as a place where people come for a dialectic and a conversation, they view the university as a kind of church,” he says. “And they have the right answers to moral questions. And anybody who doesn’t agree is a heretic who needs to be silenced. That is an injustice to our students. FIN
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I observe that Boghossian does not criticize our education institutions for ignoring all of the most important topics:
– overshoot
– populaiton reduction policy options
– timing and implications of peak oil
– non-renewable resource depletion
– how to avoid war in times of scarcity
– ecosystem collapse
– implications of the climate change we’ve already caused
– what it would really take to prevent further climate change
– implications of the everything bubble and why it exists
– how money is created and why it requires infinite growth on a finite planet
– how to contract the economy without blowing it up
– how to prevent a widening & destabilizing wealth gap as the economy contracts
– how to grow sufficient food for 8B people without natural gas for Haber Bosch factories and diesel for tractors and trucks
I suspect Boghossian is in denial and is wasting his time worrying about gender studies etc..
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Boghossian is on rung one or two of the ladder of awareness according to Paul Chefurka. I would venture a guess that more than 7.78 billion people are hanging out with this guy. No surprise there given that education is now a business: We must have “conformity of thought” in order to get the students through the system.
“Socratic dialogue” is gone (Yes, I’m referring to Ugo Bardi’s blog and to my “favorite” troll – links below). How does one even attempt to climb higher on that ladder of awareness when “our engines of knowledge production … become echo chambers that reinforce and promote specific ideological lenses”? Even doomers fall prey to this. As the saying goes, at the end of the day it all boils down to we are nothing more than an evolutionary oopsie. Or as William Catton said pond scum.
On another note, Hagens (Reality Blind) explained one of our limitless fantasies: “These are prices set by markets of buyers and sellers, and markets bounce up and down because they’re based not just on ‘supply and demand,’ but the belief of buyers and sellers of where ‘supply and demand’ will be in the future. These prices do not directly reflect the costs of extracting and producing oil.”
Limitless fantasies and stories. Gather around children for I have another story to tell….
The comment (apneaman nee moresoma – https://thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com/2021/07/when-ice-will-be-gone-another-kind-of.html#comment-form
The response – https://thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com/2021/08/consensus-building-art-that-we-are.html
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Good point – I’d rejoinder that if any of your list are actually possible to address it seems like great unity of action will be required. This unity of action could perhaps come from totalitarianism, or perhaps from cooperation. It seems to me like we’ll get the worst of both worlds – woke totalitarianism, committed to impossible goals, in universal denial.
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We will never know if any of those issues can be mitigated if we do not acknowledge or discuss them.
It’s endlessly fascinating to me that the only issues we never discuss are the most important (and most unpleasant) issues.
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Rob,
Re: Boghossian. You’ve mentioned a few times your frustration at how logic and facts have failed you in conversations with friends. In “How to Have Impossible Conversations” Boghossian details how and why this happens and offers solutions on how to seek truth collaboratively. I’ve read his book twice and I’m still a novice at this. The first rule is about facts. Bad facts, bad! Not everyone forms their beliefs on evidence or facts. As you are painfully aware, most of us do a crap job of basing our beliefs on evidence and we tend to seek out confirming evidence.
Here are a few tips from his book you might find helpful. Ask disconfirming questions such as “what facts or evidence would cause you to change your mind?” or “under what conditions could that belief be false?” or try using a scale “where do you place your confidence in that belief on a scale of 1-10?” If someone states their beliefs are not disconfirmable then you know you’re in trouble & dealing with an ideologue and it’s really about values.
So if you give them a fact about overshoot and the need for pop reduction they reply with“you just don’t care about children” or “you’re a misanthrope – you hate humanity.” Value differences are at the core of most impossible conversations. These convos on the surface can seem to be about facts but they are really about moral issues rooted in the ideologues sense of identity and their self perception as a moral person. All you can do at that point is realize what and who you’re dealing with and introduce doubt into their moral epistemology and try to reframe.
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Thanks Mandrake. Good tips.
I agree that for most people values seem to be more important than facts.
I wonder if this is because when our denial module blocks an unpleasant fact our homunculus has to say something reasonably coherent so it makes up values to justify its decision?
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Catapulting a steaming pile of flaming manure into the Admin office while playing Flight of the Valkyries would have been a more effective resignation.
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Noam Chomsky says, “people who refuse to accept vaccines I think the right response for them is not to force them to but rather to insist that they be isolated”…
I’m sitting in the corner with my pointy hat as I type this.
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Dr. Kendrick vouches for Ivor Cummins which is good enough for me to pay attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hG49xg8MI
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Our leaders need to be more careful, history tends to repeat…
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h/t Ilargi @ TAE
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An oil industry insider’s perspective…
https://peakoilbarrel.com/opec-update-september-2021/#comment-725543
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My home is located too far to walk for supplies and I’m getting older so I just bought an e-bike.
I was going to wait another year or two for the designs to improve but with China on shaky ground, and e-bikes in short supply, and battery prices increasing, I decided to buy now. I got lucky and found a demo with a few km at a good discount.
It has a range of 60+ km which is plenty for my needs. I just finished customizing it for hauling cargo.
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Thank you to David Holmgren, cofounder of permaculture, for bringing this video of Dr. Peter McCullough to my attention.
I think it’s the best discussion I’ve seen to date on Covid.
https://www.bitchute.com/embed/BxME0RDJ61S9/
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Charles Hugh Smith today on manipulation of the narrative.
He’s right that most of our important indicators are manipulated to distort reality, but I suspect this is a widespread accepted norm because both citizens and leaders aggressively deny what’s actually going on.
We will do anything to avoid acknowledging overshoot.
http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2021/09/ministry-of-manipulation-no-wonder.html
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Thanks to Smokie.
Excellent. Best rational non-conspiratorial explanation I’ve seen for why there’s so much disinformation on Covid.
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Many people dead that shouldn’t be. Health “leaders” need to go to prison.
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Doug Noland today on bubbles popping…
http://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2021/09/weekly-commentary-evergrande-moment.html
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Kurt Cobb today on peak natural gas. It seems our bridge to a green future is crumbling.
http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2021/09/its-all-connected-natural-gas-market.html
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Our leaders in denial will say no one saw this coming.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-18/europe-faces-bleak-winter-energy-crisis-years-in-the-making
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Wolf Richter on China…
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Get with the program, China! You must keep increasing debt faster than income. This is not a worry because there is infinite, cheap energy to generate the activity needed to pay off said debt. Don’t make life difficult.
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This movie classic is as relevant today as it’s ever been.
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Yeah, however most of us here know that Fauci, Daczak et al are “too big” to be charged, convicted and imprisoned (or otherwise punished) for these criminal, exceptionally harmful activities. And most of us here also know that gain-of-function research should have never been allowed/approved. Alas, it is all too human.
BTW, I’ve finally read most of the dieoff.com material and it’s been brutal (if in a “good”, reality-based, un-Denial way) for me. Especially the excerpt from Tadeusz Borowski’s “This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentleman” –> https://dieoff.com/page226.htm. It’s been a long time since I’ve read something that shook me that deeply and I feel somewhat ashamed (or maybe sad, or something) that I hadn’t read it before now. It should be required reading for every human so that we might better understand our immense capacity for evil (and how banal it can be).
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Thanks, I think.
The holocaust was not that long ago and was planned and implemented by people from a modern, democratic, educated, Christian, relatively affluent society – just like us.
As non-renewable resources deplete and food becomes scarce due to climate change, I expect we’re all capable of evil, especially if we deny and thus don’t understand the cause of our hardship, and seek to blame others.
I think that’s one of the reasons I talk so much about denial.
How can you steer in a good direction if you can’t even open your eyes to see where you are?
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Minsky Moment
Not if but when.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsky_moment
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I wonder however if any of the economic ideas developed during the period of rapidly increasing fossil fuel energy production (Dr. Nate Hagens has provided this insight) will be applicable, as energy production declines and involuntary degrowth begins.
In some of this traditional economic thinking, there are a few who now think the central banks and specifically the Federal Reserve can keep assets prices up indefinitely through money “printing, ” until the point at which hyperinflation takes hold and utterly destroys the value of the currencies. Presumably asset values collapse at that point in any case. However, equities, relative to some other assets, might retain more value as sources of dividend distributions in whatever future currency is put in place.
But, logically speaking, in world of negative growth, equities should have should have very little value. The theoretical value of equities depends upon projected revenue growth and the discounted cash flow of an increasing stream of profit distributions to shareholders into the future, usually 20-25 years. So in negative growth equities should be worth like, zero, or near to it. (Oil companies now only retain value today be telling a good story, and cutting capital investment expenses (cap ex) and borrowing to pay dividends.)
However, if we are in fact now on the path to negative growth in industrial production as in the LTGrowth BAU scenario, some strange things could happen not predicable the usual economic theory.
Here is a speculation on one possible unusual near term future for equities: As the world of involuntary degrowth comes into view, most stock markets decline massively in aggregate value, after a financial or geopolitical crisis of some kind. BUT, the stocks of a few winner-take-all companies, like tech stocks Apple, Google, some industrial stocks, some agricultural stocks, retain some relative value as the “chosen ones,” as governments move their economies more towards a state sponsored industrial system and an electronic surveillance and population control state. Maybe we are already seeing that in development?
Maybe we get 10 years of that kind of future before breakdown of that system from further resource shortages and environmental stress. As I said, just speculation. The future usually spills out differently from what I think will happen. I suffer some cognitive dissonance almost every day when friends and family tell me about how much their 401K accounts have increased in value, and what they are going to be doing with all that money in their retirement.
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You might be right about your winner take all idea, I don’t know.
I suspect in the end wise investors will distinguish between price and value.
A fabulously popular company like Apple or Tesla that depends on energy and material inputs that are not available, or that produces products citizens cannot afford, will have a value of zero regardless of its stock price.
Whereas in the medieval like world we’re probably returning to, farm land will have very high value (and power) regardless of the price.
But then a despot will rise to kill the wise investors (aka Kulaks).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
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Michael Pettis is my favorite source for China insight.
https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/85391
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I read the whole Pettis article. It was illuminating. It also shows how dire our overshoot problems are. China is addicted to growth, just as the world is, but only more so. They are trying to get politically correct growth and just not debt fueled bubble growth. How we would transition to de-growth or anything more sustainable doesn’t seem to be a question that is getting asked. It appears China’s leadership is focused on short term control of their society and ascendancy over the West. Denial of overshoot appears to be rampant in their leadership too. This won’t end well.
AJ
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Seems to be a last man standing strategy with no regard to the conditions at the end.
I agree it won’t end well.
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And here is an interesting overview of the – increasing – environmental problems China is facing: https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-08-30/china-2049/
Not sure if they have a plan to somehow address all this.
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On the one hand, our environmental threats seem less severe in Canada than China.
On the other hand, the Chinese can probably tolerate more hardship than we snowflakes.
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h/t Panopticon @ https://climateandeconomy.com/2021/09/21/21st-september-2021-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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Alice Friedemann today found a very good essay by Rex Wyler, co-founder of Greenpeace.
Lots of wise words here. It’s comforting to know there are others thinking the same thing.
I think Wyler’s wrong on the root cause which I believe is the Maximum Power Principle (MPP) common to all life, which is enabled in a species intelligent enough to know better by Varki’s Mind Over Reality Transition (MORT) theory. The first step therefore must be to acknowledge our genetic tendency to deny unpleasant realities.
https://energyskeptic.com/2021/rex-weyler-why-is-the-political-process-so-slow-to-respond-to-our-ecological-crisis/
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Geert Vanden Bossche dissects a moron professor who claims the unvaccinated are threatening the vaccinated.
I think there is perhaps some short term threat from extra hospital beds being occupied by the unvaccinated, but it’s a temporary threat that will fade as the vaccine effectiveness declines with time, and could be mitigated or eliminated with early treatment.
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/there-are-many-shortcuts-to-fantasy-but-there-are-no-shortcuts-to-the-scientific-truth
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New evidence that virus was man-made and funded by US government via Fauci.
Also may explain why vaccines were available so quickly.
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Hmm, it’s getting worse, not better.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/record-shattered-61-container-ships-stuck-waiting-off-california
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Tim Watkins today with an excellent big picture description of our overshoot predicament. Good on him for having over population front and center in the story.
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2021/09/23/crisis-by-design/
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