RFK Jr. Confirmation

RFK Jr. was confirmed yesterday as HHS Secretary and the MAHA Alliance held a press conference to celebrate this important moment in history.

Del Bigtree was RFK Jr.’s Communications Director. Now that RFK Jr. has been confirmed, Bigtree’s job is finished and he’s able to speak for himself without representing RFK Jr.

Sen. Ron Johnson introduces Del Bigtree at 10:20.

Bigtree’s speech starts at 16:00 and is a must watch for anyone concerned about improving our collective health, and righting the wrongs of covid.

If any of you, like me, feel the need for a little revenge after covid, this speech is righteous.

Bigtree brutally destroys the mainstream news media for their incompetence, indifference, and corruption.

This speech by RFK Jr. after his swearing in ceremony is also excellent.

I don’t have too many heroes, but RFK Jr. is one of them. This video is a nice introduction to the man.

Here is the president’s executive order authorizing MAHA. It’s inspiring and worth a read.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/establishing-the-presidents-make-america-healthy-again-commission/

ESTABLISHING THE PRESIDENT’S
MAKE AMERICA HEALTHY AGAIN COMMISSION

EXECUTIVE ORDER

February 13, 2025

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1.  Purpose.  American life expectancy significantly lags behind other developed countries, with pre‑COVID-19 United States life expectancy averaging 78.8 years and comparable countries averaging 82.6 years.  This equates to 1.25 billion fewer life years for the United States population.  Six in 10 Americans have at least one chronic disease, and four in 10 have two or more chronic diseases.  An estimated one in five United States adults lives with a mental illness.

These realities become even more painful when contrasted with nations around the globe.  Across 204 countries and territories, the United States had the highest age-standardized incidence rate of cancer in 2021, nearly double the next-highest rate.  Further, from 1990-2021, the United States experienced an 88 percent increase in cancer, the largest percentage increase of any country evaluated.  In 2021, asthma was more than twice as common in the United States than most of Europe, Asia, or Africa.  Autism spectrum disorders had the highest prevalence in high-income countries, including the United States, in 2021.  Similarly, autoimmune diseases such as inflammatory bowel disease, psoriasis, and multiple sclerosis are more commonly diagnosed in high-income areas such as Europe and North America.  Overall, the global comparison data demonstrates that the health of Americans is on an alarming trajectory that requires immediate action.

This concern applies urgently to America’s children.  In 2022, an estimated 30 million children (40.7 percent) had at least one health condition, such as allergies, asthma, or an autoimmune disease.  Autism spectrum disorder now affects 1 in 36 children in the United States — a staggering increase from rates of 1 to 4 out of 10,000 children identified with the condition during the 1980s.  Eighteen percent of late adolescents and young adults have fatty liver disease, close to 30 percent of adolescents are prediabetic, and more than 40 percent of adolescents are overweight or obese.

These health burdens have continued to increase alongside the increased prescription of medication.  For example, in the case of Attention Deficit Disorder/Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, over 3.4 million children are now on medication for the disorder — up from 3.2 million children in 2019-2020 — and the number of children being diagnosed with the condition continues to rise.  

This poses a dire threat to the American people and our way of life.  Seventy-seven percent of young adults do not qualify for the military based in large part on their health scores.  Ninety percent of the Nation’s $4.5 trillion in annual healthcare expenditures is for people with chronic and mental health conditions.  In short, Americans of all ages are becoming sicker, beset by illnesses that our medical system is not addressing effectively.  These trends harm us, our economy, and our security.

To fully address the growing health crisis in America, we must re-direct our national focus, in the public and private sectors, toward understanding and drastically lowering chronic disease rates and ending childhood chronic disease.  This includes fresh thinking on nutrition, physical activity, healthy lifestyles, over-reliance on medication and treatments, the effects of new technological habits, environmental impacts, and food and drug quality and safety.  We must restore the integrity of the scientific process by protecting expert recommendations from inappropriate influence and increasing transparency regarding existing data.  We must ensure our healthcare system promotes health rather than just managing disease.

Sec. 2.  Policy.  It shall be the policy of the Federal Government to aggressively combat the critical health challenges facing our citizens, including the rising rates of mental health disorders, obesity, diabetes, and other chronic diseases.  To do so, executive departments and agencies (agencies) that address health or healthcare must focus on reversing chronic disease.  Under this policy:

(a)  all federally funded health research should empower Americans through transparency and open-source data, and should avoid or eliminate conflicts of interest that skew outcomes and perpetuate distrust;

(b)  the National Institutes of Health and other health-related research funded by the Federal Government should prioritize gold-standard research on the root causes of why Americans are getting sick;

(c)  agencies shall work with farmers to ensure that United States food is the healthiest, most abundant, and most affordable in the world; and

(d)  agencies shall ensure the availability of expanded treatment options and the flexibility for health insurance coverage to provide benefits that support beneficial lifestyle changes and disease prevention.

Sec. 3.  Establishment and Composition of the President’s Make America Healthy Again Commission.  (a)  There is hereby established the President’s Make America Healthy Again Commission (Commission), chaired by the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Chair), with the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy serving as Executive Director (Executive Director).

(b)  In addition to the Chair and the Executive Director, the Commission shall include the following officials, or their designees:

(i)     the Secretary of Agriculture;

(ii)    the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development;

(iii)   the Secretary of Education;

(iv)    the Secretary of Veterans Affairs;

(v)     the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency;

(vi)    the Director of the Office of Management and Budget;

(vii)   the Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy;

(viii)  the Director of the National Economic Council;

(ix)    the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers;

(x)     the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy;

(xi)    the Commissioner of Food and Drugs;

(xii)   the Director for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention;

(xiii)  the Director of the National Institutes of Health; and

(xiv)   other members of my Administration invited to participate, at the discretion of the Chair and the Executive Director.

Sec. 4.  Fighting Childhood Chronic Disease.  The initial mission of the Commission shall be to advise and assist the President on how best to exercise his authority to address the childhood chronic disease crisis.  Therefore, the Commission shall:

(a)  study the scope of the childhood chronic disease crisis and any potential contributing causes, including the American diet, absorption of toxic material, medical treatments, lifestyle, environmental factors, Government policies, food production techniques, electromagnetic radiation, and corporate influence or cronyism;  

(b)  advise and assist the President on informing the American people regarding the childhood chronic disease crisis, using transparent and clear facts; and

(c)  provide to the President Government-wide recommendations on policy and strategy related to addressing the identified contributing causes of and ending the childhood chronic disease crisis.

Sec. 5.  Initial Assessment and Strategy from the Make America Healthy Again Commission.  (a)  Make our Children Healthy Again Assessment.  Within 100 days of the date of this order, the Commission shall submit to the President, through the Chair and the Executive Director, the Make Our Children Healthy Again Assessment, which shall:

(i)     identify and describe childhood chronic disease in America compared to other countries;

(ii)    assess the threat that potential over-utilization of medication, certain food ingredients, certain chemicals, and certain other exposures pose to children with respect to chronic inflammation or other established mechanisms of disease, using rigorous and transparent data, including international comparisons;

(iii)   assess the prevalence of and threat posed by the prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, stimulants, and weight-loss drugs;

(iv)    identify and report on best practices for preventing childhood health issues, including through proper nutrition and the promotion of healthy lifestyles;

(v)     evaluate the effectiveness of existing educational programs with regard to nutrition, physical activity, and mental health for children;

(vi)    identify and evaluate existing Federal programs and funding intended to prevent and treat childhood health issues for their scope and effectiveness;

(vii)   ensure transparency of all current data and unpublished analyses related to the childhood chronic disease crisis, consistent with applicable law;

(viii)  evaluate the effectiveness of current Federal Government childhood health data and metrics, including those from the Federal Interagency Forum on Child and Family Statistics and the National Survey of Children’s Health;

(ix)    restore the integrity of science, including by eliminating undue industry influence, releasing findings and underlying data to the maximum extent permitted under applicable law, and increasing methodological rigor; and

(x)     establish a framework for transparency and ethics review in industry-funded projects.

(b)  Make our Children Healthy Again Strategy.  Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Commission shall submit to the President, through the Chair and the Executive Director, a Make Our Children Healthy Again Strategy (Strategy), based on the findings from the Make Our Children Healthy Again Assessment described in subsection (a) of this section.  The Strategy shall address appropriately restructuring the Federal Government’s response to the childhood chronic disease crisis, including by ending Federal practices that exacerbate the health crisis or unsuccessfully attempt to address it, and by adding powerful new solutions that will end childhood chronic disease.

(c)  The Chair may hold public hearings, meetings, roundtables, and similar events, as appropriate, and may receive expert input from leaders in public health and Government accountability. 

Sec. 6.  Additional Reports.  (a)  Following the submission to the President of the Strategy, and any final strategy reports thereafter, the Chair and the Executive Director shall recommend to the President updates to the Commission’s mission, including desired reports.

(b)  The Commission shall not reconvene, following submission of the Strategy, until an updated mission is submitted to the President through the Executive Director.

Sec. 7.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i)   the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii)  the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b)  This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c)  This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

    February 13, 2025.

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A few comments below from angry, now ex, followers suggest they were unaware of my gradual transformation over the last 4 years of observing and researching covid, from being certain RFK Jr. was a nut job, to now supporting RFK Jr.’s mission to improve our abysmal and worsening pubic health.

I’ve copied my replies to the criticisms here so that the reasons for my new beliefs are clear.

notabilia: You make excellent, well-researched points at times.
And you throw it all away by being an anti-vaxxer ass clown. 

I too thought anti-vaxxers were nut jobs.

Then the experts I trusted renamed a 20 year old technology, known to be unsafe and ineffective in humans, from transfection to vaccine, pretended transfection was a new miracle technology, and coerced it into 5+ billion people after insufficient and fraudulent testing, including children that had zero risk from the virus, and when adverse event data showed the transfections were dangerous at levels far higher than had been sufficient to withdraw prior vaccines from the market, they doubled down, and hid and denied the data, and they continued to coerce transfections despite the disease being low risk for all except elderly and co-morbid people, and despite several safe and effective alternate treatments being available.

Today the rate of sickness and all-cause mortality is higher than pre-transfection, and the only thing our “experts” are certain of is that the cause is not the mRNA transfections. This despite there being several easy to understand first principle reasons to suspect mRNA transfections will never, and can never, be made safe.

The mRNA transfections are just the tip of the covid iceberg. They lied about every single covid issue, and they used tax dollars to corrupt news media, and to censor social media, to make us believe the lies.

Every covid policy was exactly wrong. To maximize your probability of good health the best course of action was to do exactly the opposite of what they told us to do. Incompetence does not explain this. They would have achieved a better public health outcome had they flipped a coin on every decision.

After observing 4 years of a healthcare system incapable of learning and correcting when new data emerges, and that pathologically lies, I no longer trust a word they say about anything.

So yes, I now proudly call myself an anti-vaxxer.

Go get ’em Bobby!

Anonymous: The health problems of the US population can largely be traced to a crap diet… good luck changing that. Any real attempt to do so will be shut down as a communist plot.

Yes, unhealthy food is a huge problem. It’s also not that complicated. Reducing sugar would be a good start.

We face many existential overshoot threats for which there is no “fix” thanks to MPP and MORT governing our behaviors, and thanks to the core design of the system that keeps us alive.

The threat from relatively recent, extremely poor public health is different. There is nothing fundamental blocking us from improving public health. I think we should support RFK Jr. and try.

A healthy population will be a strong asset, perhaps our only asset, when the everything bubble pops and modern civilization collapses.

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Secretary Kennedy delivers welcoming remarks to HHS staff.

Godspeed RFK Jr.

1,252 thoughts on “RFK Jr. Confirmation”

  1. You make excellent, well-researched points at times.
    And you throw it all away by being an anti-vaxxer ass clown. This pretentious HGH idiot has lead you.down the.Trump doom.highway.

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      1. The problem for your position and link is the mountain of idiocy, stupidity, outright conservative lying, reflexive know-nothingism, self-flattering oppositionalism, mass murdering nature of your supposed “skepticism.”
        Who can be bothered to surmount such lunatic fringe?
        Surely there is a legitimate point or two in the culled numbers, but when the other side has such a incontrovertible claim of reasonableness, anti-ignorance, pro-knowledge, and you’ve got a Murderer’s Row of obviously fake HGH (RFK, Jr.) and plastic surgery bimbos and nazis, what can you expect?
        You chose the stupid side. Enjoy the next round of demise. Don’t send any more dumbass links. Party’s over.

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        1. Don’t let the denial door whack you on the way out.

          It is interesting watching all these hissy fits happen over peoples pet peeves.

          Minds have to open. For example I am not religious but I grew up very religious but due to a curious mind that could use logic I picked all the arguments apart and became obsessed and angry with god botherers. Now 30 years later I can see why people need religion and will cling to it. And particularly those that say they aren’t and then cling to the religion of progress. It won’t change as it is a feature of most humans.

          Notabilia’s ranting attack and name calling is just another display of a brain cracking and going into full denial. This is a small club and the back bone of it is that we must be able to always reconsider our position on things. That is why I don’t get shitty any more with religious people. I am the only one suffering from that stance.

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    1. I too thought anti-vaxxers were nut jobs.

      Then the experts I trusted renamed a 20 year old technology, known to be unsafe and ineffective in humans, from transfection to vaccine, pretended transfection was a new miracle technology, and coerced it into 5+ billion people after insufficient and fraudulent testing, including children that had zero risk from the virus, and when adverse event data showed the transfections were dangerous at levels far higher than had been sufficient to withdraw prior vaccines from the market, they doubled down, and hid and denied the data, and they continued to coerce transfections despite the disease being low risk for all except elderly and co-morbid people, and despite several safe and effective alternate treatments being available.

      Today the rate of sickness and all-cause mortality is higher than pre-transfection, and the only thing our “experts” are certain of is that the cause is not the mRNA transfections. This despite there being several easy to understand first principle reasons to suspect mRNA transfections will never, and can never, be made safe.

      The mRNA transfections are just the tip of the covid iceberg. They lied about every single covid issue, and they used tax dollars to corrupt news media, and to censor social media, to make us believe the lies.

      Every covid policy was exactly wrong. To maximize your probability of good health the best course of action was to do exactly the opposite of what they told us to do. Incompetence does not explain this. They would have achieved a better public health outcome had they flipped a coin on every decision.

      After observing 4 years of a healthcare system incapable of learning and correcting when new data emerges, and that pathologically lies, I no longer trust a word they say about anything.

      So yes, I now proudly call myself an anti-vaxxer.

      Go get ’em Bobby!

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      1. I believe there was no pandemic of a novel virus. Prof John Ionnides in June or July 2020 published the fact that whatever it was, its mortality was less than the seasonal flu (0.14% vs 0.16%) and the average age of death exceeded average longevity. Any clever 14 year old can see immediately this is the very definition of a non-emergency. PhDs on the other hand, long innured to believing anything an “expert” or acknowledged “authority” says, are blind to the fact this emperor is stark naked. Regardless of whether what infected people was the result of a leak from a bioweapons lab, if it was a corona virus it was related to the 4 corona viruses that circulate in the human population, therefore humans have inherent partial immunity to it and Gates’ idea that the entire human population of the planet must be vaccinated is epidemiological nonsense. That’s of course if you believe viruses exist (see Samantha Bailey and fellow no virus theorist Andrew Kaufmann). In my view the entire episode was a globally orchestrated charade by eugenicist elites, and their transhumanist fantasist cult among the digital tech nouveau riche. This is the view of such people as ex-Pfizer CEO of vaccine development Michael Yeadon and multi-disciplinary Canadian research scientist Denis Rancourt. There is no evidence of any global pandemic of an infectious agent different from the seasonal flu (which magically disappeared 2 years in a row from 2020).

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        1. Interesting, thanks for stopping by.

          I’m trying to reconcile the beliefs of the people I respect like Rancourt, Couey, Yeadon, Weinstein, Rintrah, Bossche, McMillan, etc.

          I agree with Rancourt that the majority of deaths were caused by our responses and not the virus.
          I agree with many that panic was manufactured with inappropriate PCR tests, freezer trucks, foaming the Chinese streets, etc.
          I agree with Rintrah, Bossche etc. that something contagious and new but not deadly was circulating which disagrees with Couey who believes RNA can’t pandemic.

          Have you been able to reconcile Couey’s thesis with the beliefs of the other good people?

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          1. Yeadon believes pandemics, as we conceive them, don’t exit. He says they are impossible. That means he infers the 1918 pandemic was not a world encircling viral infection. The argument for its existence is based on generational immune priming . Kids who experienced the 1892 (?) H5N? Outbreak were young men and women in 1914-18, were not primed in their childhoods like their elders by the H5N1 outbreak a decade and a half earlier. The older generation were therefore largely immune and the younger, of fighting age, died in great numbers. I’m not convinced by this theory, based on the alleged presence of viral DNA in century old corpses and laboratory samples. I find the idea that John D Rockerfeller’s vaccine experiments on American soldiers in Kentucky, who were then sent to godawful cold and wet trench warfare in Europe was the source of infection. Lack of antibiotics and mitigation measures like filthy masks and crowded wards of bacterial pneumonias victims, conditions not unlike those covid patients were subjected to, eg, in New York, over long periods, were the mass killers, two flu seasons in a row. It was a phenomenon of the same character as 2020-2023, mass death by medical experimentation and inappropriate mitigation and response measures. I wonder why there appears to be no record of rational herbal and other then well known remedies (eg, oregano and blackseed oils) now being frantically promoted on Instagram.

            I’ll have to read up on Couey – I haven’t followed him closely enough to answer your question. (Or Rintrah or McMillan).

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            1. My understanding is that many (most?) of the 1918 pandemic deaths were caused by aspirin overdoses as it was the only treatment they had and they did not understand the safe dose level.

              102 years later we killed people with respirators and too much oxygen, withholding antibiotics to treat the pneumonia that often follows covid (or flu), withholding safe & effective broad spectrum anti-virals like Ivermectin, giving midazolam to “calm” the old people so the care givers didn’t have to provide care, prescribing Fauci’s deadly ineffective money maker: remdesivir, and transfecting 5+ billion people with an untested novel gene therapy that didn’t stop transmission, didn’t prevent sickness, wasn’t needed by most people, and that has an encyclopedia of deadly side effects.

              Dr. J.J. Couey is the key outlier you should study. He’s super smart with deep domain knowledge and high integrity. RFK hired Couey for a short period to help with his book research, then fired him because his views are too far off the main path. Couey believes RNA does not have sufficient pattern integrity to pandemic. This means the money being spent on RNA virus bioweapons is a scam, and the lab leak story was concocted to give credibility to the weapons program, and to provide an excuse to force approval of an old and fundamentally unsafe transfection technology so it can be used as a platform for new drugs. It is possible to engineer an RNA virus that will make people sick (but is not contagious) and this may have been sprayed in the few hot spots we observed in the early days of covid as a means to create panic. The rest of the “spread” can be explained by PCR tests dialed up to 11 to detect an RNA background signal that was already present, and reassigning flu and other normal sickness as covid.

              Couey thinks one of the key ways to detect a bad guy is when they never discuss the fundamental problems with transfection technology, and instead misdirect us by discussing fixable issues like spike protein and DNA contamination.

              If Couey is correct, then many of the big names like Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Kevin McKernan are employed by the deep state and are lying to us.

              I’d love to know what is the truth here.

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              1. This interview helped me understand a piece of Couey’s theory:

                One objective of the plandemic was to force the approval of the mRNA transfection platform via emergency use authorization because they knew it was too dangerous to ever pass normal testing protocols. Science fiction or not, they believe that the mRNA transfection platform will become a miracle programmable drug platform for curing cancer and other diseases that we’ve made no progress on.

                The idea is to use AI to figure out the DNA “program” needed to cure a disease. AI doesn’t work the way most people assume. You don’t simply give an AI the rules for chess and then the AI beats the best grandmaster. No, what you do is you give the AI every chess game played by every good player ever, and it learns how to optimally respond to the patterns of a game. Ditto for biology. They hope by giving an AI the genetic information for most of the population it might be able to detect the patterns necessary to cure diseases.

                So another key objective of the plandemic, which I did not understand until this interview, was to force billions of useless unnecessary PCR tests so they could harvest the DNA remnants for analysis and feeding in to the AI.

                I have not been able to confirm that the PCR remnants were diverted for this purpose, but at least I now understand Couey’s theory.

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  2. I’ll not be ad hominem, but I’ll be unsubscribing. Modern science has mostly got it right, as vaccines have eliminated many diseases. Prevention is great, but that is in addition, not as a replacement.

    Globe and Mail, 2025 February 8

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    Take care. Symptoms of nut allergies include abdominal pain, cramps, nausea, and vomiting.

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    1. Not so. Most vaccines were introduced when the diseases they were intended or purported to prevent had virtually disappeared because of improved urban design – clean water, effective sewage disposal, clean air, refrigeration etc. No vaccines are effective at all against respiratory infections because respiratory and vascular antibodies are different (read Prof Sucharit Bhakdi).

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  3. I think Greer has it correct when he calls vaccines the holy testament of the religion of progress, and that to question them is to indulge in heresy. It amazes me that people religiously adhere to an opinion when they have no data to support that opinion, and absolutely refuse to actually look at any data. I’ll post this link again for anyone interested in actual data, rather than uninformed hearsay, regarding the key question, do vaccines actually work?

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  4. Hi Notabilia and Anon,

    I’m no fan of Trump and believe he will say/do anything that profits him.

    RFK has, in multiple ways, an unpleasant past, and I’m hoping he has grown beyond those days.

    I truly hope you are right, that the modern medical complex, particularly here in the USA,  has it right.

    But, from my 68 years of watching healthcare in this country, I believe that profits largely drive care choices.

    RFK says he is going to expose the truth and I think he is going to have a difficult time, but is likely to pry the lid off some research and policy and expose it to the light of day.

    You may want to shadow the site here as one of the few information sources not in the pocket of anybody.

    Thanks and good health, Weogo

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  5. Thank you for this. I wish RFK Jr. well. I know that a lot of people in college towns and other elites are invested in vaccines and I hope that this will not be too hard on them. I recognize that name from Amherst who is unsubscribing. It was a tough time for all of us. For a long while I could not believe what I was seeing but I was most certainly vaccine injured and never allowed to report it. From the very beginning I did have a clue because I listened to Dr Pierre Kory on the Michael Brooks show (that was maintained for while by his sister.) That was before the pandemic became a red/blue issue. I was able to get a legal prescription to Ivermectin before it was banned and it did help me I believe. This is why we have to maintain free speech and alternative media particularly during this new administration where we know that there are technocrats and very rich people who think that they know how governance should work. RFK Jr. will eventually bump up against them and he will need my support.

    The New York Times has obviously been a problem since many good people rely upon it and have been misled. Really it will be hard to have the conversation that we need to have until we begin to threaten corporations with revocation of their charters. They are legal fictions to whom we have given immunity and immortality and that cannot be good.

    Peace and solidarity to everyone.

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  6. I hope something good can come out of this, although I don’t have very high expectations of the current administration in the US. I fear that if RFK Jr starts taking substantive steps that affect the profits of certain industries, he will get the boot.

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  7. Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is excellent today calling out the bubble of nonsense research, and the unethical physicists that depend on tax dollars to conduct it.

    She’s switched from calling it bullshit research to nonsense research because YouTube censors profanity.

    There must be a new virus circulating because there’s a lot of super aggressive truth in the air.

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  8. The health problems of the US population can largely be traced to a crap diet created by and sold by a very few companies that spend colossal amounts of money of figuring out how to keep stuffing your face without thinking and a for profit health care model. There is no real incentive for anyone providing for pay service under that model to promote a healthy population. The ideal citizen in that model is perpetually ill and brainwashed by incessant pharmaceutical industry marketing to believe that there is a pill/injection/cream/drink/… that will cure all their ills. Exercise and eating well is for losers.
    Good luck changing that. Any real attempt to do so will be shut down as a communist (or the new version “socialist “) plot to rob hard working, god fearing Americans of their precious freedoms.

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    1. Yes, unhealthy food is a huge problem. It’s also not that complicated. Reducing sugar would be a good start.

      We face many existential overshoot threats for which there is no “fix” thanks to MPP and MORT governing our behaviors, and thanks to the core design of the system that keeps us alive.

      The threat from relatively recent, extremely poor public health is different. There is nothing fundamental blocking us from improving public health. I think we should support RFK Jr. and try.

      A healthy population will be a strong asset, perhaps our only asset, when the everything bubble pops and modern civilization collapses.

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      1. Easy, massive tax on sugar additives and seed oils to food. Essentially make industrial food expensive. If people wish to add sugar they will have to do it themselves but at least then they can see what they are doing.

        I would also begin fat shaming. Airline tickets by weight would be a great start. I will wish to fly 90kgs from here to there at $20/kg. Fatty get to pay double because they weigh 180kgs. Totally fair.

        My favourite is to let tigers loose in shopping mall food courts. The obese will be dine in for tigers.

        The beauty of it is that people can actually get thin again so there is no reason for complaint.

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        1. My favourite is to let tigers loose in shopping mall food courts. The obese will be dine in for tigers.

          ROFL (Rolling on the floor laughing). This frankly would be hilarious, and far more entertaining than professional sports or reality TV.

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      2. I doubt that much will come from RFK Jr’s Nomination because Make America Healthy Again will come into direct conflict with Project 2025.
        https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
        The most relevant sections are. 10 (Department of Agriculture), 13 (Environmental Protection Agency), 14 (Health and Human Services)

        Repeal the federal sugar program.
        The federal government should not be in the central planning business, and the sugar program is a prime example of harmful central planning. Its very purpose is to limit the sugar supply in order to increase prices. The program has a regressive effect, since lower-income households spend more of their money to meet food needs compared to higher income households

        p. 296

        Counter scare tactics and remove obstacles.
        The USDA should strongly counter scare tactics regarding agricultural biotechnology and adopt
        policies to remove unnecessary barriers to approvals and the adoption of biotechnology.

        Repeal the federal labeling mandate.
        The USDA should work with Congress to repeal the federal labeling law, while maintaining federal preemption, and stress that voluntary labeling is allowed.

        p. 307

        Note that a large part of the Section about HHS is about opposing abortion while we are already in severe overshoot.

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      3. I personally don’t think sugar is the problem with the USA diet. I think it is the High Fructose Corn syrup and the engineered hyper-palatable foods. Sucrose in of itself seems to be pretty benign and healthy. It is the isolated fructose that I would ban immediately. The next thing I would ban would be seed oils.

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  9. Hideaway continues to school Brandon…

    Brandon I noticed you totally overlooked the reality that the energy profit, which is money profit is the important aspect. As renewables do not return much energy profit, they cannot sustain the rest of civilization.

    We need energy profits of 10/1+ of which renewables just can’t supply, unless there was some way for them to get much cheaper in a world of declining ore grades and increasing energy cost of energy.

    Governments and mandates can do nothing about the situation as it takes real resources at real cost to build massive amounts of renewables.

    Citing plans for the future is not reality, none of us know what’s going to happen next year let alone in 5 years time. Reality is what’s happened in the past..

    In the last decade solar and wind have added around 5,000Twh of energy to the system, while fossil fuel use has gone up 22,000 TWh.

    In the last 2 decades renewables have risen by around 5,500TWh while fossil fuel use has risen 38,000TWh.

    In other words it takes so much growth in our system of civilization in so many complex ways, that to increase renewables comes at a large increase in fossil fuel use. This is what you are advocating yet fail to realise it.

    If fossil fuel use does not rise in the next 5 years then all the plans for renewables will not happen either as economies everywhere will be in recession/depression, such is the need for our system of civilization to grow. Renewables are just a minor add on energy source, not ‘replacing’ total fossil fuel use at all.

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  10. That’s it, I’m done. Unsubscribed… just kidding😊. Hot topic here, no doubt.

    So you’re going all in eh. Ok, but this is the type of trap I’ve been warned about many times… and we’re so desperate for the status quo needle to change in any direction that we can easily be manipulated… Ah, who am I kidding, I’m totally rooting for these guys just like you. And RFK definitely is “different” in a good way.

    These speeches from Vance, Bigtree (so good), Kennedy, (amazingly even Trump on rare occasion) are excellent…I’m hearing things I’ve never heard before. But my bullshit meter is pegged to the max on “too good to be true”.

    One things for sure though, this administration is stirring up a colossal amount of hopium. The potential for disappointment could be monumentally enormous. Makes it a win/win either way.😊

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    1. A lot of it probably is too good to be true, especially if something “happens” to the economy.

      I believe we can shift the needle in a good direction on some issues by supporting good people.

      Imagine the money and power that was aligned to block RFK Jr. from being confirmed. That power was overcome by many unpowerful citizens standing up for what is right and calling their representatives.

      Some things like scarcity are out of control, but a 25,000% increase in autism over 50 years, and runaway obesity that will bankrupt our countries (even if Berman is correct and peak oil is hoax), are within our control.

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      1. The economy tanking is going to create so many surprises and upsets.

        Big waves ahead but nice to see some people who deserve to drown for their actions getting their floating pool toy popped.

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      2. Rintrah writes something worth considering today.

        https://www.rintrah.nl/how-ai-is-beginning-to-destroy-the-internet/

        You can’t trust ANYTHING on the Internet anymore. You can’t trust that you’re interacting with other human beings on the Internet anymore.

        We’re going to have a bunch of people, who will just spend their days talking to AI, without realizing it. We’re going to have some guys in Nigeria running 1000 AI chatbots, waiting to see whether any manage to end up catching a victim. They used to at least have to manually respond to the victim’s emails. That’s no longer the case. Those guys in India calling grandma, telling her to buy Steam giftcards at Walmart? The whole phone call is going to be a text-to-voice AI chatbot.

        Look, I hate it that I can’t go on tumblr and know for sure whether some image I like was actually genuinely photographed by someone or whether someone just pressed a button.

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        1. That’s a good essay by Rintrah. It’s going to be a mess deciding who and what to trust. It’s already hard.

          NikoB, I know you’re probably real because you attacked me in the early days of covid for being a pharma shill for saying I did not understand what was going on. 🙂

          It took me a long time to form a clear opinion and I still do not understand:

          • Was the leak an accident or intentional?
          • Why did China and US collaborate on creating panic? Maybe they really were worried about the lethality of the virus they engineered, and we just got lucky it turned out mild?
          • Why west used mRNA transfection and east used traditional vaccine?
          • Omicron seems to have saved us when mRNA failed, did we get a lucky mutation, or was Omicron released as a bioweapon countermeasure when plan A failed?
          • Why don’t they care about high risk for zero benefit in children? I originally thought reason was having a vaccine on the childhood schedule confers immunity from harms to all ages, however I think PREP act also confers immunity from harms, so why force children to be transfected unless you are unspeakably evil?
          • Given the overwhelming evidence for harms, why didn’t RFK Jr. promise to pull mRNA transfections from the market on the first day he was confirmed? And yet Trump already banned forced vaccinations in schools. My current best guess is they’re worried about collapsing the financial system with liability claims if they pull mRNA, and it’s not such a big deal today because there’s only 2% of idiots still getting boosted, and Trump stopped the childhood harms a different way.
          • Dr. J.J. Couey is a really smart guy with a lot of relevant expertise and he’s pretty sure RNA can’t pandemic and the whole thing was an illusion to force mRNA transfection approval and normalization, and yet we all saw what looked like a mild contagious disease? What’s Couey missing?

          What open questions do other people have?

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          1. I’m ignorant, so please forgive my naive open question: What’s the goddamn agenda?
            Depopulation, more control via divide/conquer, more intense inequality? Something else?

            From an overshoot perspective, depopulation obviously makes the most sense. But so far, it doesn’t feel like that’s the intention.

            Since I’m a betting man, I’d go with the normal motto of follow the money… the agenda of this whole mess is just so that a few elites can get filthy rich from big pharma.

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            1. “Why” is not a stupid question.

              If it was a deliberate leak, then US & China, 2 nominal enemies, collaborated on the plan. What force could be strong enough to bring these competitors together to work on a risky plan?

              How about the global banking system getting ready to blow, as suggested by repo market problems just before covid, and an excuse being needed to print a gazillion dollars to bail out the system.

              Toss in worries about oil shortages in the not too distance future, and a practice run on how to lock down an economy might sound like a good idea.

              But then we still need to explain the singular maniacal obsession with transfecting everyone with mRNA, including the majority of people that did not need it.

              Maybe they were feeling guilty about leaking the virus and were worried that it might be more deadly than planned, and they wanted the bioweapon countermeasure (which at that time they genuinely believed it worked) injected into everyone “just in case”.

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          2. Sorry if I attacked you Rob, I don’t remember but I was livid with everything that early in the covid game. At present I too have many unresolved questions much like yours.

            I think in possibilities and general directions things go until they have reached the end of their swing and the pendulum reverses direction. Humans in general are opportunistic, ritualistic and predictable. That means we are easily manipulated. Therefore I simultaneously carry the ideas in my head that most of this is just due to hubris and ineptitude or very coordinated evil. Usually it always appears to money that drives the outcomes and the biggest money makers for us are death industries. Bioweapons are just the new nerve gas weapons and I am sure they are working on something worse.

            I would like to imagine that people have learnt something from all of this and how fragile our living arrangements really are but alas I am a realist and I see very little of it.

            Stay well all.

            NikoB

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          3. Hello Rob,

            Good onya for standing up for your convictions. If the likes of RFK Jr. and the MAHA agenda (if it truly follows the dot points as stated) were the guiding force behind the medical system when I was training to be a doctor, I just might have continued that career instead of jumping ship because of my own convictions. But then perhaps I wouldn’t have become collapse aware and certainly wouldn’t have pursued this particular life journey variant, leading me to the verdant hills of the subtropics of Australia. Life is just bizarro and I am just grateful for all the chances and choices, and with no regrets.

            Regarding the Covid chapters and how they may tie in with a larger agenda, you remember that I once banged on and on about my own theories, totally unsubstantiated, riding only on my own interpretation and intuition.  Here is a recap, since you invited some open airing of ideas. 

            Controlled, planned depopulation still rings the clearest bell for me, for that is the one action that will alleviate all current and future difficulties, at least make things less worse since there will be less to be made worse. Much of the puzzle only makes sense if we take that leap of faith and accept that there is something at least trying to drive the bus, and the whole world is its stage and all countries its players.  We minions will never know its hidden hand, although the effects of it are omnipresent and much of the workings have been either disguised or blatant as to be hidden in the open.

            The mRNA transfection platform has done what it set out to do as the Trojan horse, billions of people and especially the young, have had a foreign agent enter their bodies unwittingly that has the potential to generate negative health outcomes probably for the remainder of their possibly shortened lives.  This has already been proven the case with the increased fatality rate post intervention.   It was never about trying to prevent or even treat the respiratory illness, novel as it was.  It was all about getting us to accept this self-sabotage so the masses are weakened–physically, mentally, emotionally, and financially.  It remains to be seen if this intervention will also affect fertility of the younger recipients, but that seems an obvious reason for the forced administration in these populations.  I have previously gone into depth on how the logistical administration of this could have happened without appreciable dissent, by a top down approach with doctors being at the very bottom of the hierarchy governed by their accreditation bodies and academia who in turn are pawns of big pharma and above that those who decide their agenda. 

            Why the West for the mRNA shot and not China?  Pure speculation but perhaps it’s because whoever thinks they will be still standing after this controlled population mitigation action will still need some healthier minions in the East with their already purposed infrastructure to continue making whatever widgets they need and want.  All able bodied human energy slaves will still have a place in the near term, that is until AI takes over mechanical as well as mental work.   It’s mainly the Western consumers who are no longer contributing anything much more than digital numbers into the ether and carbon into the air that we need to demand destruct, and it can be done either by shortening lives or emptying pockets.   

            It’s not about making more money for those in the highest level of power because they already control the very idea of money.   It’s about being able to use the notion/illusion of money and the financial system to make the masses fall in line to be governable, controllable.   The use of middle men, such as big pharma as an leviathan enterprise, make us believe that generating profit is the end goal, but perhaps the ultimate objective is getting us sicker, more dependent, and all the while fleecing us, too.  Sometimes we delve into the whys and get the resulting answer, but likewise we can look at the result and come to a workable hypothesis of why.  The evidence is we are sicker and poorer, and we keep going on about how and why we got there and this is not the result we want.   Maybe it is exactly the result that was wanted all along and we have been paid lip service that something would be done to fix it, to keep us hoping for change and going along with it, election cycle after cycle.  Meanwhile, we have become more complacent, weak, controllable, and utterly expendable.  At a population of 8 billion, this is how we can be corralled into a society with some stability, and eventually becoming more authoritarian as the slices of resource pie dwindle.  The hand that giveth can also taketh, and now it is time to pay the piper.

            Even now, on the cusp of a possible huge shift in the health agenda in the States, it will not change the fact that millions have already been injured, the damage done.  The retribution that may come to a few will not come in time to save the masses; justice is hollow when the scales are so unbalanced but may superficially assuage some anger.  The promise of bringing back jobs is likewise empty when financial security is already well beyond the reach of most and receding with every quarter, but it keeps the dream on life support.  Government is like the Wizard of Oz, pulling the strings behind the curtain to keep the illusion going.  The object of government is to govern, that is maintain social order so the human enterprise as we have built it can still function at some level, and preferably to the main benefit of those elite.  It behooves us to not forget this.  

            Pah!  Enough of my ramblings.  Go forth and enjoy this beautiful day, our first and last and everything in between. 

            Namaste, friends. 

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            1. You are a damn fine wordsmith Gaia. Thanks for refreshing us on your theory. I’d forgotten some of the details. I remember thinking when you first proposed this that it simply can’t be possible. Now I’m not sure. You might be right. So many things do not add up.

              When I think back on how our governments responded to covid two things stand out.

              One was the amazing synchronization between western countries, and the aggressive censorship and demonization of skeptics, even when the policy clearly made no sense. That suggested a VERY powerful force which I now believe was the military executing a bioweapon threat response. No other organization has the juice to force what we observed.

              The other was their singular maniacal obsession with transfecting everyone, and aggressively ignoring (eg. vitamin D) or blocking (eg. Ivermectin) any alternative.

              Why would they coerce the injection of something that was unsafe and did not work into people that didn’t need it, especially children, and continue to do so when overwhelming evidence emerged they were on the wrong path?

              The only reasonable conclusions are:

              1) the mRNA transfections were for a purpose different than stated, as you propose; or

              2) every western leader has very low IQ and very strong MORT.

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              1. Hi Rob,

                Thank you for your indulgences. There are legions of far more eloquent and substantiated writers and here is one–Margaret Anna Alice. I think your friend Gail would have loved her posts as she has the poetic gift, too.

                Just happened that she posted this piece today which I believe goes a long way to show just how far our governments have degenerated and how the leaders of our past knew the dangerous machinations underlying the surface. What we have today had its beginnings long ago and we have lived within it like a fish in water, unaware of the currents that push us this way and that.

                https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/consequential-quotes-warnings-from-25e

                I also wanted to add that our leaders today may only be the frontsmen, chosen for their ability to play the part. Whether or not they are aware of it, they are being used, too.

                Hope you are going well, and don’t let the woo get to you!

                Namaste, friend.

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                1. Thanks, I really like Margaret Anna Alice.

                  I’m sure big money pulls the strings of our leaders, but maybe, just maybe, citizens might be able to take back some power. I know a lot of people do not trust Elon Musk, but I do, and he’s the richest guy in the world with another f*ck you money to not care what the other people with money think. Time will tell, but I think there’s a revolution underway.

                  If Musk turns out to be evil, I will admit my error and apologize, but I think he’s the real deal.

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      3. I too thought the presentation above by Del Bigtree and RFK Jr. were particularly enlightening and filled me with a little hope that they may do some good. Even if they are only partially successful it would open the window for improvement in the health/medical space. Trump will do a lot of bad things but this is one of the “wins”.

        AJ

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    1. Thanks Perran.

      If someone presents evidence from a non-conflicted source that benefits exceed harms for mRNA transfections, I will retract and admit I was wrong.

      I’m less certain about conventional vaccines, but RFK Jr.’s going to collect clean data, and force pharma to do proper tests so we should know for sure in a few years.

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      1. Has anyone noticed how all the Amish are dead from all the diseases they didn’t vaccinate for? /sarc…
        Strange that they have very little incidence of autism too.

        How many people here trust Monsanto, Big Tobacco and Exxon. Do you trust their board of directors and the companies intent and profit motive? Do you trust big pharma? How many directors used to have jobs with the hated evil companies like Monsanto and now work for Pfizer or Moderna? Profit is the primary incentive, in fact it is a primary requirement of the company’s obligation to shareholders. Tie into that the shielding from lawsuits for your product causing harm and you really have reason to be suspicious of the product. I totally regret vaxxing my kids. My boy has autistic traits. Very common amongst my age group’s (50s) children.

        Remember, we all all human and make mistakes, some very large and it is hard to admit to them especially if they pay you handsomely. I think it is in everybody’s interest to examine vaccines intensely to determine if they are really doing what we think they are. For those that think vaccines are truly safe then this is how you prove that and we will all be more than thankful for that. But if it turns out they are unsafe then surely you don’t want your children and their children taking them. Time to let science do real science again.

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  11. Hideaway on LtG…

    Dennis Meadows did a similar demonstration of distraction a few years ago in a video. At the end of a presentation he asked the audience to do a little experiment with him..

    He raised his hands and asked the audience to clap their hands when he said clap. He gave very specific instructions, “I’ll count down slowly 3, 2, 1, then say clap and I want you to clap when I say clap, so that those outside can hear one loud clap.

    He counted down 3, 2, 1, then clapped his hands and most of the audience clapped at that moment, not 1 second later when he said clap.

    People only paid attention to what they thought was happening, even with specific instructions and a willingness to comply. His reasoning was that actions are more important than words..

    I disagree with the Limits to Growth in one aspect, their sustainable future model based on modernity was never possible. They failed to rake account of entropy and dissipation, which means we would need to continue mining lower and lower ore grades of everything to sustain any civilization based upon minerals and metals.

    These lower grades would require a growing energy use to sustain whatever level of civilization was “decided” upon.

    Attempting to recycle everything can only buy time, which does not make it sustainable in my understanding of the word. In geologic terms a million years is not much more than a blink of the eye, yet we have zero chance of being ‘sustainable’ for that period of time, entropy and dissipation doing all the natural physical work of the universe.

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      1. Not this Canadian. The only time I felt good about my country in the last 5 years was when the truckers stood up for us and protested unscientific, illegal, and harmful covid mandates. Then my government invoked emergency measures to shut them down. Many Canadians wanted the government to crush the trucker protest. Our courts later ruled the government violated our charter of rights. No one was held to account.

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        1. I am equally disgusted in the Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians for rolling over so quickly to their political representatives. I thought Aussies were rebels and larikkins, turns out we were Eloi from Time Machine.

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          1. Mate I still get absolutely enraged just thinking about it now. I’m a long term doomer but never in my wildest imaginings did I think that I’d see forced “vaccination/experiments ” on the road to olduvai. And I won’t ever be able to look at the general population and even some close friends and family in the same light again.

            I think the government was able to get away with it largely because of the overall levels of debt today. 50 years ago a large enough pool of the population could afford to go without work for an extended period. They could have afforded to give their middle finger to mandates. These days people can’t. They’re just to indebted and so when the mandates came along most just had to take it on the chin.

            What really blew me away though was that in the two states with the most draconian mandates, the bastards got reelected in the next election. That’s telling isn’t it…. the majority thought that the mandates perfectly acceptable, not a massive breech of human rights.

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            1. Yes, whenever I think about it the anger just below the surface.

              The hardest part is family and friends who went along with it all just don’t get what they gave up and what we endured and that we ain’t over it.

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            2. The main political opposition here in Canada is silent on the covid crimes. We have one small party speaking about it and they have zero chance of forming a government.

              You and NikoB should watch the speech by Del Bigtree I linked in the post above. It’s a nice way to vent some anger. He really rips into the news journalists.

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    1. Hey! Sports on un-Denial. I could get used to this, LOL. Hockey players are by far the toughest in team sports. (the only possible exception are those crazy rugby dudes) 

      For anyone who’s never been in a fight like this, you are completely exhausted and out of breath (with severe muscle fatigue) within ten seconds. Your adrenaline might keep you going a bit longer, but not much.

      Thats why Hollywood is so funny with their ten-minute fight scenes.

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  12. Fluoride has morons defending it just like mRNA transfections.

    Joe Rogan SNAPS on Fluoride Defenders: “Hey Man, F*ck You. This Is Stupid.”

    This is the best 3 minutes you’ll watch today.

    “There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in the local water and lower IQs. And it’s a neurotoxin. We know it’s bad for you in large doses.”

    “There are fcking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times, who think they’re sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides it’s done in preventing tooth decay. And you just want to say, ‘Hey man, f*ck you. This is stupid.’”

    “When you get toothpaste, do you ever see toothpaste that says fluoride-free? Why would they say that and advertise it if fluoride wasn’t bad for you?”

    “Just brush your f*cking teeth. It’s really that simple.”

    https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1890950237449249141

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      1. Our Hunter gather ancestors rarely suffered tooth decay or suffered from crooked teeth. They didn’t have fluoride in the water and they didn’t brush their teeth with a toothbrush or use toothpaste. It’s a disease of civilisation. It never existed before agriculture.

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        1. Good point!

          I’m passionate about teeth, so is my sister Gaia😊. Think I’ve told this story before, but oh well. I used to have a problem with my teeth rotting. A chunk of my tooth would just break off sometimes. Was getting to a point of losing one tooth every year. Nobody could give me a good theory on this until one day a friend took me aside and asked me my brushing and mouthwash habits. 

          I was OCD about bad breath back then… brushing 4 or 5 times a day. Using Listerine after every cigarette (10 plus times a day). And also using those Listerine strips (not sure if they even exist anymore) multiple times per day. He said the fluoride is rotting my teeth. Told me to stop the mouthwash and strips ASAP… and to only brush two times a day, but not with store bought toothpaste. He gave me a recipe to make my own with baking soda and peroxide.  

          I followed his instructions for like ten years. And no rotten teeth ever again (knock on wood). I’m back to store bought toothpaste (which is dumb for sure) but haven’t used mouthwash or strips ever since. 

          LOL… and that’s just one thing. One mineral or whatever. I don’t even want to know how much other bad shit we intentionally put in our bodies.

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  13. Putin nails the problem in Europe (and Canada).

    It’s really this simple, our leaders lack brains.

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  14. Did anyone else see this latest piece from Art Berman? I reckon the chances of spiritual principles making a difference to overshoot are about as likely as hoping for a transition to renewable energy harvesting technologies.

    https://www.artberman.com/blog/the-space-between-collapse-and-a-future-worth-living-finding-our-way-back/

    “I see more than just survival—I see the potential for renewal, maybe even a renaissance. It will take a different kind of leadership, one rooted in spiritual principles—the kind that reshaped civilizations in the time of Confucius, Buddha, and Jesus. They didn’t offer quick answers. They reshaped how people understood the world and their place in it—the essence of mythology. Their work wasn’t political or economic—it was psychological.

    Modernity has pushed spiritual foundations aside, mistaking them for relics instead of essential tools for navigating upheaval. But the wisdom of our ancestors still exists in myth—not as fantasy, but as a survival manual. Instead of dismissing it, we should return to it as we would a lost treasure.”

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    1. WTF is wrong with my brain?

      When I see the word “myth” or “archetype” the fog banks roll in blocking me from any comprehension.

      I asked Grok to summarize in one paragraph the key message of the book “The Hero with a Thousand Faces”.

      “The Hero with a Thousand Faces” by Joseph Campbell explores the concept of the “monomyth,” or the universal pattern found in hero myths across different cultures. Campbell argues that all hero stories follow a common narrative arc, which he terms the “hero’s journey.” This journey involves stages such as the call to adventure, a departure from the ordinary world, initiation through various trials, achieving a significant realization or boon, and the return to the ordinary world transformed. The book emphasizes that these stories reflect a fundamental human experience, suggesting that the hero’s journey is not just a narrative structure but a metaphor for personal growth, self-discovery, and the human quest for meaning and identity.

      It didn’t help. Grok’s response is word salad nonsense to my brain.

      It seems we now have a plausible explanation for the strange transformation in Berman’s forecast.

      Berman’s gone woo.

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      1. LOL. Art’s going backwards. Down collapse mountain. I didn’t think it was possible… but denial is a beast. He needs to read Ligotti’s Conspiracy against the Human Race… get a dose of reality my man! Otherwise, it’s time for Art to retire from the doomasphere.

        ps. Joseph Campbell is cool as hell, but he’s still just a storyteller of made-up meaningless bullshit designed to ignore/deny the bleakness of it all.

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        1. I wonder if word salad is a prerequisite for effective woo?

          Making something deliberately obtuse gives it an air of hidden wisdom too profound for a mortal mind to fully understand.

          I also hate hard to understand poetry. If you’ve got something important to say, then say it clearly and crisply in as few words as possible.

          My deceased friend Gail Zawacki loved poetry and tried to teach me its value. She loved the beauty of obscure words. She’d send me a long, hard to understand poem, and I’d return a one sentence accurate summary which pissed her off.

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        2. Oh Campbell, you’re such a softee. LOL. But that’s one of the reasons we like you so much, so don’t change a thing.

          Me and NikoB will be the official villains of un-Denial😊. And by default, because of his scary truth serum, so is Hideaway (just ask Brandon). Another good potential villain, who I know lurks here, is Replenish. But you need to comment more Replenish.

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      2. Rob …”WTF is wrong with my brain? When I see the word “myth”…”

        I’d say absolutely nothing is wrong with your brain as when I read Art’s post, withing the first few lines or so, I got to this bit…

        Without myth, people lose their sense of purpose….”

        At that point my brain exploded with, “what a load of crap”…

        I wonder if it might ever occur to these geniuses that it’s the believing in myth and purposes that got us into this mess in the first place?? Myth/religion, story telling, of non truths of sharmans, or whatever words we use to describe these conmen and in ancient or pre agriculture times they were likely all men, doesn’t change the facts of our reality.

        Fire gave the energy to free up some people from daily tasks of food gathering, which allowed the big brain of humans to wonder about other things, like how to get ahead of the rest, in food consumption and mating. In our subspecies, the development of language allowed people to co-operate more, while common beliefs in myths and religions kept the group cohesive against the outsiders with different beliefs, or inability to communicate as effectively as homo sapiens. Obviously language development was an important first step before common myths/beliefs could happen.

        Now we’ve had thousands of generations of myths and belief imposed since birth. A lot of that time any questioners of the common belief were either outcast or worse, given titles as heretics, burnt at the stake or sent to front line of a battle against the ‘enemy’ (those with different beliefs), while further back in time often the first sent to attack the bear, lion, mammoth or whatever in an effort to get rid of the unbeliever.

        Of course over time the actual stories or beliefs changed as the headman introduced their own flavor to help immortalize themself in the group long term.

        Our modern religion, set in among the older ones, with the current sharmans mostly (not all) accommodating new scientific discoveries that disprove old myths, sets new myths and religions based on technology, renewables, AI, economic theory etc to explain the world around us, while denying that it has to have an end.

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    1. Thanks el mar.

      That’s an interesting article. It reviews all of the important minerals and shows China currently dominates. He argues that Trump’s core strategy is to restore US dominance of natural resources.

      …we can affirm without fear of being wrong that the market for critical resources and raw materials (except oil-gas) is in the hands of China (and Russia), either through its extraction, refining or integration into manufacturing (energy transition).

      USA is aware of this and has unleashed a fight at all levels to achieve self-sufficiency at all costs.

      Europe, Japan, South Korea, we are out of the competition, even before we start.

      The consequences of this fight for resources will only appear at the moment of scarcity, for which only a few years remain.

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  15. B is particularly depressing today. He thinks plastic pollution is our most important threat. My reflexive response was how can it possibly be worse than a 10C rise, or the side effects of oil depletion? And then I said to myself, trying to compare them is silly, it’s all the same thing.

    https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/the-shape-of-things-to-come

    Take pollution for example. Birth rates continue to fall, thanks to the colossal amount of endocrine disrupting chemicals found in plastics and in the many pesticides, herbicides we have so carelessly released into the wild while we were busy progressing towards utopia. While other factors such as contraception, cultural shifts, obesity and smoking are likely to be contributing factors, there are also biological reasons. Chemicals such as bisphenol A and phthalates interfere with normal hormonal function even in small doses, and it would take three generations of humans living completely chemical free to get rid of their side effects. “Problem” is, that there is no way pushing this genie back into the bottle: these chemicals are now freely circulating the entire globe and are here to stay. The amount of so called ‘forever chemicals’ (PFAS) in rainwater have exceeded safe levels in 2022 already, which means that is no place left on Earth to avoid them. As a result soils (and consequently plants) have become similarly contaminated, affecting not just human but animal health and fertility, too, across the entire world.

    I don’t mean to sound like an alarmist, but if there is a real extinction level threat to humanity, then this is it. Fertility rates staying consistently below 2.1 children per woman (which is what we have across much of the world for decades now) sooner or later leads to complete depopulation. Considering that pollution levels are still rising — and will be rising as we begin to burn all that accumulated plastic for heating en masse — this trend cannot expected to reverse anytime soon. If the resulting decline in sperm counts continues, as studies suggest, most males will become sterile by 2045 no matter where they live on the planet. Draw your own conclusions.

    Children of men, anyone?

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    1. I don’t make any claims to knowing what’s true about this, but the other side of the debate:

      “‘It doesn’t harm us’: Russian scientist busts myths about microplastics

      Alarming media reports about the harm of microplastics to the human body and the environment are greatly exaggerated, Alexei Khokhlov has told RT”

      Simon

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    2. Rob …. “And then I said to myself, trying to compare them is silly, it’s all the same thing.

      Yep, and so is the monetary system, debt levels, covid cause/responses, medical systems breaking down, media manipulation, false narratives, story telling about renewables and nuclear. It’s all part of the increasing complexity of the overall system of civilization that is way too complex for even a gathering of experts in different fields to understand. Because they only understand their area, not all the interactions, nor can they.

      I expect the entirety of civilization to get much weirder and less understanding of what’s going on, as we get closer to the great unravelling and death of billions.

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      1. I take it you do not agree with me that healthcare is an exception to the long list of problems we cannot improve?

        I don’t see any MPP, denial, or system design issues blocking optimally effective healthcare.

        Everyone wants to live longer. Citizens would be willing to spend the same $ for better health outcomes, so there’s no degrowth force in play.

        I can see some people denying they need to cut sugar and exercise and preferring a pill. But we could ban the pills and tell citizens they have only one option, take it or leave it, you’ve been warned.

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        1. Rob, I went down the rabbit hole of the medical industry nearly 30 years ago, to find out that so much was fake and inspired by money and profit, not the truth of what helps people’s health.

          I was involved with a group that had the attitude of Health industry bad, alternative medicine good, until I found out that also wasn’t true as there was plenty bad about the “alternative medicine industry” as well with false claims all over the place.

          I spent many months researching one ‘supplement’, that turned out to be very important for all the wrong reasons, mostly diet. Back then you could gain access to lots of full research without paying exorbitant fees.

          I had a medical thesaurus next to me when I did this research and learnt a lot, enough to contact the secretary of the International Society of Heart Research with specific questions, via email, received a phone call from him, had a long conversation about specifics, to learn he, his friends and colleagues took CoQ10, had outstanding results with patients etc, but none of this was ever publicized.

          At the end of the call he thanked me for contacting him as it was difficult to get the message out to cardiologists. I never claimed to be a doctor or cardiologist, I just had learned the lingo, knew the science and sounded like one to him.

          From around then I’ve followed the major campaign by phama companies and medical establishment to discredit the use of CoQ10 in particular. So why is this supplement, in the correct form so important to cardiac health (among other health aspects), because we don’t consume the quantity of meat, especially organ meat that our hunter gatherer ancestors did. We changed to grains which have nutrient deficits compared to what we had for hundreds of thousands of years prior.

          CoQ10, is produced naturally in the body, but as we age, less is produced, however we make up for this with supplementation from food in the natural diet. When I was at Uni it was called the ‘X factor’ in the Krebs cycle as it was not fully understood at the time (not in the books we had to study from anyway).

          Anyway the whole point of the above, is that unless I’m prepared to spend an inordinate amount of time researching every aspect of health over years, I know I’ll not have a full understanding of whatever. I simply do not have the inclination to fully research everything about the health system, but do know it’s broken, based on money as it’s an industry and is part of our modern complex world.

          Healthcare is a misnomer, it’s a sickness industry that makes money from people needing it. Can you name any profession within the current healthcare industry that would be happy to have only 1/4 of the customers and therefore a quarter if the income they currently have, from pharma, to surgeons, to nurses, to administration of hospitals, or administrators of govt health departments?

          Are any of them going to be happy with a healthy public with only a fraction of the population needing their services?

          While it sounds like I’m ‘against’ the health industry, I wouldn’t be alive without it, neither would my wife or adult son, we’ve all had life saving emergency surgeries, so I’m not against it either, but just chose to be outside of it as much as possible..

          We modern humans use money as the lubricant to gain access to energy and material niceties in our current highly complex civilization. Every aspect of this complex civilization has to fight for it’s own survival, and as we can see across the board from nuclear enthusiasts, to renewables enthusiasts, to politicians, to healthcare to any other industry, they never let the truth get in the way of their story of being relevant, so they can obtain a greater share of resources than they otherwise would if the truth was told. What’s worse is most within any industry are so blinded by the ‘good’ of their industry and it’s importance that they are oblivious to reality, as Upton Sinclair so succinctly stated as we’ve all often seen. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”.

          At some point I’m fairly sure you will become disillusioned with the outcomes from RFK, wanting, expecting a lot more than gets delivered, then over time, much of the sameness or worse will emerge, if civilization has long enough, as whatever changes happen under RFK get undone by the next mob.

          I don’t disagree with you about huge improvement in health outcomes need to happen based on truth, not what people want to believe, but I’m also a realist in not expecting much change, with possibly the exception of more red tape in procedures to follow in research and introduction of ‘new’ drugs, procedures, vaccines etc, as that’s the time honored march of complexity in our system.

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          1. Thanks for explaining. I understand and won’t be surprised if your prediction that RFK will disappoint comes true.

            With the exception of RFK’s health mission there is literally nothing in the world that I’m hopeful about. I’m also very angry about what our leaders did during covid and hope RFK will be a catalyst for exposing the crimes and delivering justice.

            I’ve been without hope in anything for a long time. It feels good to have hope in something. Is my hope denial? Maybe, but there’s no other person on the planet with better intelligence, knowledge, skills, drive, and strength to succeed than RFK. So I have hope.

            Also thanks for the info on CoQ10. I know nothing about it. Do you take it every day? If you do, I’ll probably join you because I trust you.

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            1. I use to take CoQ10 religiously every day, but not so much any more, but do still take on and off. I also eat a lot of meat, vegetables fruit and nuts, while restricting grains. If you don’t eat meat, especially red meat then yes you take Coq10 as red meat is hte main source of natural supplementation.

              You should take it with fatty foods as it is a fat soluble substance. The form it should be in is a oil based capsule, not in a dry powder pill which are also for sale.

              On RFK … Rob “It feels good to have hope in something. Is my hope denial?” Probably, I’m sure we all have denial to some extent, but call it hope….

              Reality 101, what happened to all the plans of the last 20 politicians that got elected to any form of govt and were going to change the system… How did the system look 5 years later?

              I hope I’m wrong (denial?) and you are correct. Plus even if you could find someone that made a huge difference in the recent past few decades, it was in a period of ‘growth’ not in a period of shrinkage in energy availability for the area of ‘everything else’, other than energy or materials while in record high debt..

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        2. the needs of healthcare is unlimited.

          https://tidsskriftet.no/sites/default/files/pdf2015–558-60eng.pdf

          The medical research community has for decades sustained the myth that the solution to cancer is just around the corner. The fact is that today’s cancer epidemic is not a problem that modern medicine is about to solve – it is a problem we are about to create. It is therefore necessary to communicate a more realistic understanding of cancer and cancer research.

          Cancer is in many ways a difficult matter, scientifically as well as emotionally. There is therefore good reason to moderate the flow of information, especially when facing sick and vulnerable individuals. In a societal perspective, however, when the goal is to underpin democratic and knowledge-based development, it is important that everybody is well informed. No one likes to hear that our risk of getting cancer increases every day of our lives or that cancer development is inextricably linked to being human (25). Nevertheless, as scientists we have a responsibility to communicate with honesty and integrity, not only in scientific journals, but also when reaching out to the public and our elected representatives. This responsibility is especially great when we are entrusted with a large portion of society’s resources. Someone must therefore have the courage to tell Trond Mohn that NOK 1 billion to cancer research will lead to more and not less cancer in the population.

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        1. Hi Stellarwind72, It’s easy to work out the answer to this yourself by following the parameters of what eventually happens if nothing else gets us first, so I’m assuming no WW3, no huge pandemic causing martial law, etc.

          Given the direction of civilization, assuming it goes on until it can’t. Firstly we have a population of over 8.2 billion around now, with over 50% of these in urban areas, mostly cities..

          At some point we reach peak energy consumption and start to decline, in a world where greater energy resources have already been allocated to gaining energy, so net energy is already less. At the same time the energy required to gain minerals and metals has also risen, so even less available for the rest of operation of civilization. At some point these factors alone lead to an acceleration in the decline of energy availability for everything. Take the foot off the energy spend increase on energy, and energy availability falls faster, likewise for materials, decrease the energy spend there and material availability falls faster than it otherwise would.

          This leaves a very fast decline in energy available for everything else no matter what gets priority for energy spending. Assuming our current finance industry, economics, political spheres continue as present with only minor changes, then the response will be similar to the past with energy (oil) crunches, price increases and govt/CB response to ‘inflation’.

          Economies will probably have a financial crisis first, with businesses in debt suffering the most from falling sales due to recession and higher interest rates. Then as businesses everywhere suffer from reduced sales, all sorts of divisions within will get closed down to save the overall business.

          Govts/CBs will probably react normally, when they detect recession and start to drop interest rates, yet the squeeze on households and businesses will not stop. With continued decline of energy, especially oil during this recession phase, the price of oil is likely to stay high, then increase rapidly if the world economy does pick up quickly increasing inflation, causing the govts/CBs to quickly raise interest rates once again. This time supply chains will get highly strained as businesses go belly up without really recovering from recession.

          Once supply chains start getting compromised, with energy prices high squeezing every aspect of sales in the community, businesses increasingly going out of business, debt defaults ballooning, around the world without recovery as energy prices continue to rise fueling inflation, while wages have no hope of keeping up, it doesn’t take long before fuel, fertilizers, herbicides, irrigation equipment replacement becomes hard to get for farmers, likewise fuel and parts for trucks. Mining industries suffer from the same, shrinking the availability of metals getting to refineries, closing down more factories making parts for equipment of all types.

          At some point the energy exporters suffer from exactly the same types of shortages, as it’s the factories making stuff that no longer can, so energy availability contracts more and energy exporters try to look after their own so they don’t get lynched, leaving energy importing countries even worse off.

          As the rapid decline in availability of everything hits modern farming and trucking at an accelerating rate, pretty quickly food will stop being delivered to cities. How many years or decades from this point will collapse take??

          Please note the initial decline will look like another oil price inflation, raising of general inflation causing a recession, with those bad, Russians, Arabs, Americans with holding supply and cries to increase oil exploration, new GTO and CTO plants, plus shouting about more EVs, nuclear, renewables etc.

          This is all without govts blaming others and taking some type of military action to try and gain resources from others, which would mean destruction of infrastructure and equipment in the process and faster decline..

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          1. Hideaway
            do you have a spread sheet of all your thoughts and you can copy and paste?
            I am always incredibly impressed by your clear and straight to the point analysis.
            I would love to see you have an email exchange with the druid but we know how that would go, it is catabolic collapse only.

            I must say I find your arguments far more compelling.

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            1. Sorry nikoB I don’t have it all out on a spreadsheet or even as a series of essays that can be quickly cut and pasted. Rob has a lot more of my thoughts/research on these pages than I do.

              I have thought about writing a book about it all, but a single book could never cover the entirety of our situation with details of all the important bits well enough, such is the complexity of our situation.

              The size complexity relationship seems to be the hardest part to get people to understand. People seem to understand complexity and energy use relationship but don’t relate the size of our civilization to the complexity reached, they just think human ingenuity instead, yet it takes a physical mass of people to create anything complex, let alone everything about our complex system.

              I don’t buy the human ingenuity argument as a complete story at all, for the simple reason that our ancestors of 100,000 years ago had a cranial space around 10% larger than modern humans, with anthropologists attributing the change to more grain based and starch based diets than back then with higher meat based diets. I don’t believe that humans with larger brains on average had less intelligence than us, yet they never developed complex civilization, so something other than human ingenuity is in charge of the development of complexity.

              In terms of the speed of collapse, it really depends upon where we consider collapse starts. It is a process and the final part of collapse of anything is always fast. A dying or dead tree in a forest that has been decaying while standing then in a few seconds, after getting weakened for years, suddenly falls and breaks apart is a great example. When did the collapse really happen?

              Our civilization has been getting weaker for decades, since the growth rate of seemingly unlimited energy reversed from the early ’70’s.

              It would be another long essay to describe how we’ve been in the process of collapse for those decades, the initial stages at least, but for our civilization so totally reliant upon fossil fuels especially oil for the transport of everything heavy or long distance, including everything about renewables and nuclear, then to think that once we pass peak production of oil while the energy and mineral cost of obtaining it keeps growing, that it doesn’t mean an accelerating decline of oil for everything else just defies physics and logic.

              Hence the long slow collapse phase thought by some like Greer just doesn’t make any sense to me.

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              1. Hideaway, it’s rare for an important topic to not already be discussed in many books. You have fresh insights on the most important topic ever, and no one else is discussing it.

                A book may seem daunting, but it’s a collection of bite-size topics, each with a chapter, and each chapter is simply a collection of paragraphs, and you excel at writing paragraphs.

                Me and others here will help with organizing and editing, provided you include a chapter on denial. 🙂

                P.S. Would be a good idea to read Conway’s Material World first.

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            1. What is there to be depressed over? Reality has never depressed me, it is what it is.

              What I find most depressing is people’s belief in fairy tales, as in myth, religion, technofuture, etc, etc, and failure to notice reality, with sheer determined attitude to not look at evidence for/against their pet belief.

              No problems posting my stuff elsewhere, but make sure it’s worthy ….

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      1. If DOGE actually go and have a look inside Fort Knox, I think we’ll realise that all the chairs have been rehypothecated thousands of times, that there are no rooms to sit on those chairs in available anyway (a bad joke about how a few years ago, Germany asked to see its gold holdings in the US, to be told that there wasn’t a suitable room for that to happen, I shit you not) and that we’ve got a nice pile of tungsten but the gold is nowhere to be found.

        Simon

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        1. Why is it that everytime I watched the roadrunner show as a kid all I wanted is for the poor coyote to catch that fu.king bird and kill it. I would love to see a whole episode with him just cooking the bird on a spit.

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    1. It most likely will not have the effect people expect. The world doesn’t run on gold, it runs on energy and material flows.

      The most likely outcome is that “they” change the rules of gold ownership again ,like they did in the 1930’s, or paper gold ownership to retain balance of the narrative and restore order.

      The paper gold bubble can easily be broken just like the silver bubble was broken in 1980, when the Hunt brothers successfully cornered the market, by changing the rules of deposits and position size of silver contracts, overnight, forcing the largest holders to liquidate their long positions. The silver market crashed overnight, as the paper value changed drastically.

      It will all be the complex system of money/finance readjusting to try and keep afloat. I have no idea of what “they” will do this time as it’s likely something new and adding another layer of complexity to those trying to understand the gold market, all while keeping energy and materials flowing.

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  16. Wow.

    RFK Jr. is also wise on issues other than healthcare.

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  17. h/t Crazy Eddy. I’ve never seen this. The whole thing is hilarious, but the 7:00 min mark is the best.

    For some reason it reminds me of that old dude from the late 80’s who did those RV commercials and the great behind the scenes footage of him cursing and being pissed off at everything.

    Charles Jaco was the CNN reporter famous for covering the 1990 Persian Gulf War.

    The first part of this video shows the stage set he was on, and he was clowning around with fellow CNN staff. The Saudi Arabian “hotel” in the background were fake palm trees and a blue wall in a studio. This clip was leaked by CNN staff.

    The second part of this video was a live CNN satellite feed recorded onto VHS showing the final cut. Charles Jaco was wearing a different jacket, but he had the same act. The acting was terrible as Charles Jaco wore a gas mask, and his fellow correspondent Carl Rochelle wore a helmet. The sirens and missile sound effects are part of the stage set. The camera never pans out or shows the sky.

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  18. Q: How will you make progress with so many forces opposing you?

    RFK Jr.: I’ve been thinking about this for 40 years so I know how to do it.

    For example, I’d never get congressional support to ban glyphosate or high fructose corn syrup. But I’ve got a $42B research budget that’s currently used to develop new drugs and I’m going to redirect that to discovering the cause of chronic disease. If there are 100 studies linking diabetes to high fructose corn syrup then lawsuits against the manufacturers will succeed and they will be forced to remove their product from the market.

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    1. Call me cynical, but …. “ If there are 100 studies linking diabetes to high fructose corn syrup then lawsuits against the manufacturers will succeed and they will be forced to remove their product from the market.

      Now there is a huge assumption about the studies finding what you want them to find. What happens if they don’t as the supervising professors of those studies, done mostly by Phd students carefully chosen and guided, find a range of various things from zero to 100% for/against either glyphosphate/fructose?

      My past reading of studies is that they are able to find anything statistically with carefully selected parameters and participants and careful approval of study by the supervising panel of the research. Is anyone going to bother checking the supervisory panels and professors to make sure they don’t have a vested interest in the outcome?

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      1. My assumption is that industry has tipped the scales in the wrong direction forever and RFK is now going to tip them in the opposite direction. So it doesn’t matter if the science is squishy, we all know abundant high fructose corn syrup is a problem, and with 100 studies saying it’s bad he thinks we can reduce its use.

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  19. Hideaway explains why minerals from space won’t keep our game going.

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2025/02/04/southeast-asia-can-perhaps-avoid-the-worst-impacts-of-inadequate-oil-supply/comment-page-3/#comment-478267

    Dennis, you keep going on about this, despite lack of knowledge in the field…

    “There is only one current solution within reach with our current engineering knowledge. Space and Starship.”

    We do not have the engineering knowledge and capability of doing this because of geology. We just don’t know exactly what’s out there in what concentrations, all highly likely to be lower than here on earth, as we’ve had processes concentrating metals and minerals for billions of years that just don’t exist in space.

    We are decades away from getting the information required to even send the first fully equipped mission to start real mining if we found something worth mining, let alone recovering the finished products back to Earth in any quantity that could make a difference. We would be sending far more precious material resources into space for decades before we gain any material returns.

    We don’t have decades,… resource depletion, environmental damage, climate change making agriculture more difficult, are all headed for us short term, with civilization unravelling due to humans fighting for survival in a world of less.

    With EROEI lowering, peak oil still behind us, lower grades of ore here on Earth taking up more energy to mine, leaving less energy for everything else, while the energy and materials per capita here on Earth falling, with 500M more humans on the planet since peak oil in 2018, while inequality grows as everyone tries to hold their status while there is less to go around..

    Space programs will disappear long before we gain metals from mining in space. Reality sucks, so humans chose to relieve the pain by believing in false gods of technology and other myths…

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    1. Asteroids are what geologists call “shit rock”. i.e. all the elements are diffuse and mixed together in a pile of rock shit.

      Ores are formed in geologically active planets (like earth).

      If we could mine asteroids, we wouldn’t, because we would mine the shit rocks here on earth.

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      1. Beautifully put Monk.

        On Earth we’ve had geological forces combined with water, plus erosion, and life itself being an important ingredient to concentrating ores. It’s a complex interaction of all the factors that has done the concentrating here.

        I use the evidence of the Fermi paradox as why it’s impossible for a species to colonise space. If it was possible for us, then there would have been others elsewhere in the much older galaxy that had already colonised space and they would have searched everywhere for the concentrated metals and minerals they require for their civilization. They would have been to Earth long ago if it was possible at all.

        Instead we get silence from space indicating that if any other civilizations have ever existed, they collapsed from their own complexity and hubris creating overshoot, which only lasted a short period. Given the billions of years of existence of the galaxy, plus the short period of time any civilization would be capable of sending radio type signals we could detect, plus the unlikely sequence of events required for intelligent life that can alter it’s environment with the use of fire, the odds of other civilized planets having a civilization at the same time as us, within a narrow window of even a thousand light years, is very slim.

        The simple reality of the short time span of existence of civilization, would mean there could have been thousands of civilized planets over billions of years, yet the odds of any one finding another one are still slim..

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        1. LOL, the topic of space never fails to get us all revved up here at un-Denial.

          And it’s the very same reason why most of us hate Elon Musk with a passion.

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    2. Dennis needs to look through some comments here from a few months ago. There were a few threads we had going (when Rob was camping) and the overall message of those threads were very simple and clear… Space is off limits. Period.

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  20. RFK knows all about Fauci.

    I read some of RFK’s Fauci book before I got so angry I had to quit. RFK also talks a LOT about Fauci’s evil deeds in his latest book, The Wuhan Cover-Up, which I’m reading now and have completed about a third.

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    1. If Fauci is sent to prison, do you think my fellow brainwashed french citizens will finally contemplate the possibility of the covid vaccines being a mistake at best, and most probably a crime or will they say it’s just nasty Trump getting rid of any opposition and make Fauci into a martyr?

      Sometimes, this situation reminds me of the Dreyfus Affair: https://paris19.sitehost.iu.edu/Day8Optimism&Pessimism/Mayeur%203rd%20Republic%202%20Dreyfus.html.

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  21. Preptip:

    Most of the information on the web about long term food storage is crap. People just make stuff up without any testing to verify their claims.

    A lot of people claim mylar bags with oxygen removers should be used to store white rice. I didn’t believe them, and didn’t want to believe them, because the bags are expensive and are a pain in the ass when it comes time to incrementally use the food you’ve stored.

    Here are the results of my testing to date:

    In Nov 2019 I stored 19Kg of medium grain white rice with a best by of April 2019 in a food grade 20L bucket with an air tight lid. In Feb 2025 I opened it and the rice is perfect.

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  22. Indi today is going with that familiar angle we’ve all heard before. How the tallest buildings show you what that society was all about. Under The Armpits Of Giants — indi.ca

    They built this tank (Abhaya Wewa) 2,500 years ago and we can’t even imagine such big things anymore. We’re not standing on the shoulders of giants. We’ve fallen below their armpits.

    Giants used to walk the earth, you can feel it if you walk around. The Ely cathedral ceilings are nine-storeys high, and richly illustrated with 900 stories. We used to think a thousand years ahead and a hundred meters above our heads. Now we watch 3-second videos on our phones and are bored.

    Walk around any modern city and the tallest towers are banks, or corporations, money, in short. That’s what we worship, and that’s how we build. 

    The Romans crashed in around 1,000 years, the Greeks, Chinese, and Mesoamericans in 2,000s, the Egyptians took over 3,000. We are obviously getting worse at this, not better… Progress was a gun, fossil fuels loaded it, and we promptly blew our brains out.

    I always liked this way of framing it because it shows so clearly that money is our religion today. But the logic is flawed. It makes you think this wasn’t inevitable… and with a few tweaks here and there, humans could have created some type of sustainable utopia.

    Also makes you think that humans from a few thousand years ago were much more righteous/virtuous than today… which I’m sure is more true than false, but only because they did not have the energy yet to get more people off the farm, to produce more free time, to produce more dangerous thinking from humans. Kind of like Old World vs New World… give them time (and energy) and those Egyptians would have been just as worthless as today’s humans.

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    1. Alright, now you’re just trolling. LOL. You should have posted this in a reply to my comment yesterday about how we hate Elon. Would’ve caused me to blow a gasket😊.

      The Mars stuff is all it takes for me to despise him. Plus, I don’t think there was anything honorable about buying twitter and supposedly saving free speech. Just profit driven as usual. Poster child for Richie Rich spoiled brat. (but I do hope his DOGE stuff makes some of the elitist’s squirm uncomfortably)

      I genuinely do like this RFK post of yours. But if you ever do one for Musk, please give me a heads up so that I can get my exit strategy ready.😊

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    1. Yeah, I saw this yesterday on KEZI (my local TV station that I only watch for the weather forecast). What is upsetting a lot of Oregonians is that they are afraid that their property insurance will go up astronomically. In addition, they are afraid that they won’t be able to sell their property because a potential buyer may be scared off. I looked at the Oregon Fire Hazard map and 90%+ of the state is at High risk of wildfire danger (it’s either dry Eastern Oregon or mountainous forested Oregon). The only place that are pretty safe are the agricultural lands in the Willamette Valley or river valleys along the coast.

      My property is in the High risk area but any idiot would know that as if you have forest around you, you are at risk. I figure my house and everything around me will burn down soon – in the next 5 – 10 years (maybe sooner if collapse destroys government and their fighting fires). It will be like Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” around here.

      Supposedly the insurance industry is not to use the maps in giving out insurance, but nobody trusts them.

      AJ

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      1. Hi AJ,

        “I figure my house and everything around me will burn down soon”

        The heaviest flooding day of Helene, September 27th, our bridge was washed away and falling trees took down power lines. 

        A neighbor’s generator came on automatically, had a fuel leak and started a fire right next to the house.  The fire department had no access and the house burned to the ground in the pouring rain.

        There are multiple sites with information about keeping a building during an intense wildfire.

        These address structural/cladding considerations, and reducing fire potential around a building.

        Here’s one: https://wildfirerisk.org/

        Thanks and good health,  Weogo

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        1. Hi Weogo,

          Thanks, but I know about fire risk and mitigation that is possible (maybe better if I didn’t). When I moved here I volunteered with the Fire Dept. for 2 years or so. Plus I have looked at what happened in Paradise CA and all the new requirements of the building Code for at risk fire areas.

          If I could go back in time I would reroof with metal (it cost $30K more when I was reroofing 7 years ago). But even that wouldn’t necessarily be enough. If you saw the pictures of my house that Rob posted (6 months ago??). You would see I have a large wooded deck that would have to be removed (wife would never allow that). I clean the gutters in early summer and there are no trees within 50 to 100 feet of the house. Plus I went and bought a pump and 100′ of fire hose and could pump from the pond (30′ from the house) and spray down the house.

          Is it worth the risk to my life? I don’t know. If the forest turns into a fire storm the burning embers raining down might be unstoppable and then I have to worry about escape and lack of oxygen in a fire storm.

          I think I would just abandon the house.

          AJ

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          1. Sounds like you are way ahead of me!

            My house has old, asbestos siding and a cheep tin roof.

            The only plants close to the house could be cut down in a few minutes. IF I was home…

            Weogo

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  23. Lots of big change happening in the world. The changes so far seem positive for reducing the risk of nuclear war, at least until oil scarcity begins.

    This is a nice discussion of what’s going on in Europe.

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      1. The amount of work work the USA put in with the coup (2014) and stealing Ukraine land, why would they give up now? I heard some 1/3 of Ukrainian land is owned by USA corporations. Not sure how I can fact check that.

        I don’t believe for a second they are changing. I think they just want to get money out of the Europeans as well.

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  24. https://peakoilbarrel.com/open-thread-non-petroleum-february-11-2025/#comment-786105

    T Hill: Based on the numbers from that same source, the average annual rate of growth in electricity generation from 2013 to 2023 for solar was about 28%. Wind was 14%.

    As a thought experiment, if those rates were to continue, we’d see the two generate the equivalent of today’s annual global energy production a little past 2041. It seems unlikely that these growth rates will be sustained, but still amazing rates of growth recently.

    Hideaway: Instead of a thought experiment on the what ifs about the bright green future, how about trying to calculate the amount of mines, metal processing plants, metal refineries, factories, new educated workers in all the fields required to build it?

    The increase has to be built from scratch from new materials, including all the metals and minerals required for all the machinery, batteries for intermittency, EVs, ETrucks etc all this electricity is meant to be used on.

    Going from a really small base as solar has done over the last couple of decades, huge growth rates can be had while the overall system is growing.

    However a now large industry and supply chains, cannot grow at the same types of rates unless the overall system also grows robustly in the same type of time frame. To grow as your thought experiment suggests, would produce a magnitude more production of every aspect of solar in 10 years.

    As it’s all being built with fossil fuels at every stage, then the amount of fossil fuels used must also rise dramatically for all the new mines, factories etc required, so please also factor this into the calculations.

    If anyone can actually be bothered to do all the calculations, it will burst your bubble of thought on how possible the task really is. What happens instead is the hand wave of of we can do this as if the solar, wind batteries etc, were in isolation to everything else, but their not, they can only be built in an industrial environment where everything else is operating normally.
    The ‘normal’ over the last 2 centuries has been growth, which we all know is coming to an end because of resource limits or population limits or climate limits, most likely a combination of the lot…

    The other aspect forgotten about in the thought experiments like you have proposed is how we use 97-99% of all current energy and materials on maintenance of the existing system to keep it growing, all while the energy cost of gaining energy is going up and the energy cost of metals and minerals are also going up..

    T Hill: Yes, I’ve looked at the materials, capex and labor associated with the ongoing energy transition.

    Again, I’d suggest care with the rhetoric you use to describe some of the associated challenges. For example, you state that “The increase has to be built from scratch from new materials.” Nope, not true today and not true in the future in the sense that you suggest it all needs to be new primary steel, aluminum, etc.

    As another example, you note that “it’s all being built with fossil fuels at every stage”. Again, your inference is an absolute that we all know is simply not true. This is similar to your oft repeated argument about aluminum smelters. Just silly when the global energy mix includes other sources like nuclear and hydro.

    I never said it was possible, impossible, likely or unlikely. Just shared a reminder about the power of exponential growth. These growth rates will obviously not continue forever. I would expect that the majority of readers on this site are familiar with the S curve concept. If not, I’d suggest starting with Vaclav Smil given the topic.

    You’re not going to burst my bubble. I’ve spent years managing a physical infrastructure system with a replacement value in excess of $200B. I’m familiar with scale, entropy, declining EROI for fossil fuels, declining ore grades and ‘maintenance’ needs of many sorts. Not forgetting about any of this.

    At the risk of dating myself with the reference, I’d certainly agree that the Jetsons remains a farcical cartoon future.

    I’m still not picking up your white flag.

    Hideaway: So where does all this new materials, infrastructure, factories and mines come from that are greater than today if not new? All existing scrap is already used, so are you going to rob current uses of old for the green future?

    Current factories have current outputs, if you want an increased output of solar, wind and batteries, then there needs to be expansion/new factories, likewise for all their source material and machinery, likewise for the extra workers all the way along the line.

    T Hill ” Just shared a reminder about the power of exponential growth.”

    So did I!! I just keep pulling people up on the nonsense of exponential growth using lower grade materials on a finite planet.

    Because of entropy and dissipation, any civilization based on metals and minerals will fail because of the exponential requirement for energy and materials, to mine the lower and lower grades of ores. As energy cost of energy is also rising it’s a double whammy with no way out leaving less energy for the rest of the economy.

    T Hill … “You’re not going to burst my bubble”.

    No I’m not trying to, I was asking YOU to do the research to come to the conclusion yourself!! Only people who do the real research, without falling for the propaganda of vested interests and go back through the references of references to find the truth will work this out themselves.

    I use the off grid Aluminium smelter as the simplified example of how to cut through all the bullshit portrayed. If solar, wind and batteries really were cheaper than fossil fuels for electricity, then it makes perfect sense for businesses to go off grid, meaning zero grid fees, and use their own cheaper power to do the smelting. It would mean they could outcompete all other smelters that are tied to expensive fossil fuel power plus grid fees….

    Yet despite the potential massive commercial advantage if solar, wind and batteries really were cheaper, no company has decided to take this path!!

    The answer is obvious, yet so many people simply deny reality, they are not cheaper!!

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    1. LOL, the villain is at it again. And good to see that even Hideaway is not immune from having a derangement syndrome. He’s got a really bad case of ETDS – energy transition derangement syndrome😊.

      You’re not going to burst my bubble… I’m still not picking up your white flag.

      AKA: I’m an ignorant dipshit who willfully chooses to stay in denial.

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  25. https://peakoilbarrel.com/open-thread-non-petroleum-february-11-2025/#comment-786118

    HHH: The problem I see ahead is 75% of US debt is in duration of 1 month to two years. So we constantly have to rollover huge sums of debt.

    If ever for any reason the US decided to term out say 10% of the duration into 10-30 year bonds. Which is actually reasonable. Or DOGE finds and cuts enough waste. Say 3-4 trillion. The amount of collateral could shrink abruptly. Causing an acute dollar shortage in the Eurodollar market that the FED and other central banks can’t paper over because they are in fact powerless to do so.

    A more of a longer term problem I see is Japanese and Italian debt that is used as collateral in the Eurodollar market. Both these countries are heavily reliant on imported energy. As those energy imports disappear over time due to oil depletion. That collateral will eventually get rejected. And a seriously catastrophic dollar shortage will happen.

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      1. There are only 2 paths, and both lead to the same destination of less wealth.

        1) Deflation (less money) is the default do nothing path;
        2) Inflation (worthless money) is the path if failing entities are baled out.

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  26. Got this old link from a commenter on Tom Murphy’s newest essay. It can basically be summed up in one word… Idiocracy. The infantilization of Western culture

    The childish cartoon techniques of advertising towards adults, is obviously working. And most everything is geared towards comedy… awful comedy, of course. Like those stupid commercials for Progressive with Flo and her friends… Ugghh, cringe worthy, yet I still see people giggling. Or that stupid “Dont become like your parents” one… I always blurt out “Dont worry, you’ll never be like your parents. They weren’t nearly as awful and useless as your generation” 

    Or those Liberty Mutual ones with a baby that just keeps repeating “Liberty” and the mom is so proud… or the emu… Or Burger King with that horrible song, “at BK, have it your way, YOU RULE!!”

    But all you have to do is watch the original Ghostbusters or Beverly Hills Cop from mid 80’s and then watch the sequels from today… the infantilization stands out like night and day.

    And there’s been a hilarious shift in advertising ever since the George Floyd riots. Prior to Floyd, I’d guess that only 10% of commercials featured black people. The advertising industry saw the overwhelming support for Floyd and all the others who were wrongfully killed by the pigs, so they flipped the script. Now it’s probably up to 70% of all commercials featuring black people… Always makes me laugh when I see them being used to sell Febreze and other house cleaning products.

    Seeing the same whitewashing going on in the latin world as well. Some of the spanish speaking commercials are gold. Just a bunch of mexicans acting corny and white. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re mostly white actors in brown face.

    Ya, the advertising industry has really opened up and embraced the non-white world. Just as long as they sound, look, and act white. Reminds me of those horrific stories of native american children being forced to lose their culture/identity via the white schools in US and Canada.  

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    1. Do you think messages are dumbing down to match citizens that are becoming stupider?

      Or do you think people are getting stupider because of how we’re being manipulated.

      Something’s definitely going on.

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      1. Good question. Probably some sort of combo.

        Not to mention the accumulation of poisons and plastics in the air, soil, and water. I remember seeing a recent article stating that 1% (or maybe it was half a percent) of our brain is now made up of microplastic. 

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    1. A lot of people feel the same as you. I’ve suggested in the past that you might feel better if you formed your opinions by listening to the people you distrust first hand, rather than through interpreters.

      For example, if you watch a speech by RFK Jr., rather than reading about it, you might see that he is a wise and good man.

      If you ever come across a good speech by say Bernie Sanders on why we should not do proper testing on vaccines, or why we should focus on a half dozen measles cases when 70+% of the population is obese and diabetic, please share it. I’d like to understand the other perspective.

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    2. No need to apologize Stellar. We all have derangement syndromes. (I still wish you’d read that Zinn book).

      And with all of the “we have no free will” articles (that I agree with), we might as well wear our derangements like a badge of honor. Just some of mine:

      • White skin…. and depending on my mood, every other skin color too. Being a human hater makes me an equal opportunity racist🤭.
      • Any type of pride for USA. 
      • Space exploration.
      • A new one that I’ve known about but is so active in me now, is this absolute feeling of superiority over the masses. (aka: doomer supremacy)

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  27. Important essay by A Midwestern Doctor on an important new Yale study.

    It’s long, I’ve only skimmed the highlights so far.

    If you’re looking for a calm, reasoned approach to learning from the covid mistakes, rather than my “throw them in prison” approach, I think you’ll like this essay.

    https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/yale-proved-covid-vax-injury-exists

    Yale Just Proved COVID Vaccine Injury Exists and Spike Production Persists for Years Inside The Body

    Reviewing the consequences of the reckless steps used to make the vaccines and the immunological damage which followed.

    Last year, I learned of a Yale study which had discovered the COVID vaccine persisted in the body and caused long term immunological impairments—something I believe relates to the egregious production process that characterized the COVID-19 vaccines.

    Since I did not want to interfere with the publication process, I held off from disclosing anything within the study which had not already been leaked by someone else. Today the study was pre-published, so I can now discuss what they found (in a heavily revised version of the previous article). The first half of this article provides the context for that study, while the second half discusses it (e.g., that the vaccine spike protein can persist in the body for at least 709 days and cause at least two years of chronic immunological suppression and autoimmunity that directly correlate to the presence of chronic illnesses).

    Conclusion

    Throughout my life, as I’ve come to feel that because of the bad trade-offs inherent to many policies or technologies, those behind them (particularly the government) will take an approach akin to trying to pound a square peg through a round hole (as government always defaults to utilizing the force at its disposal to solve the problems it encounters). In contrast, whenever I encounter situations where there really does not seem to be a good way to balance the trade-offs, I take that as a sign I need to consider a completely different approach rather than forcing the one I’ve committed to into working.

    With COVID for example, I realized near the start that it would be an exercise in futility to address it with a vaccine—a truth much of the world has now had its eyes opened to. Instead, it was my assessment from the start that the best option would be to quickly develop viable treatments for the illness that could prevent severe complications from it and then allow infected individuals to recover with a strong immunity to the disease (and as we’ve now seen, natural immunity is vastly superior to vaccine immunity for COVID-19).

    Unfortunately, rather than heed that approach, our medical apparatus decided to do everything it possibly could to push the vaccine upon us, while simultaneously doing all they could to bury the myriad of effective off-patent treatments developed for COVID-19.

    Since the pathway Bill Gates put into place for lucrative accelerated approvals is still in place, I believe this highlights how important it is for us to actually understand how these technologies work and the trade-offs involved with them (which are never disclosed). In turn, it is my sincere belief that if the public had known part of what I presented here, they likely would have never taken the COVID vaccines (or any future mass-produced mRNA vaccine). Similarly, as I’ve tried to illustrate here, contamination and poor production is a systemic problem with vaccines, and were robust independent testing to be conducted (so people actually knew what was in the vaccines they were taking), the demand for them would likely disappear until the industry was forced to clean up its act.

    In that light, this study is extremely important as it provides objective proof the vaccine is indeed doing something harmful and abnormal, and that it is occurring long after vaccination. As such, when this topic is broached with a skeptical doctor (or academic) you can now say “did you know a multi-year Yale study recently discovered that the vaccine does chronically damage the immune system of certain recipients and cause a variety of persistent and debilitating symptoms?”

    Overall, it is my belief that the most effective way to stop these unsafe products (and those in the pipeline) is not to ban them, but to simply have enough people boycott them that they become financially unsustainable (and due to the new era of information diffusion we are walking into thanks to platforms like 𝕏, it’s actually possible). The FDA and CDC have lost an immense amount of trust because of how flagrantly they lied to the public, and have thus far refused to take any accountability for their actions.

    Fortunately, this is something that will likely change once public pressures and financial pressures (e.g., people no longer buying the drugs rubber-stamped by the FDA) force the agency to make genuine amends for its conduct throughout the pandemic and return to good science, which as Secretary RFK Jr. showed in his recent inaugural speech he intends to do for America’s public health agencies.

    While COVID-19 was a profound tragedy, because of it we now have an extraordinary opportunity to fix this continually proliferating corruption, and I sincerely thank each of you who has helped to make this moment possible. It’s hard not to understate what a profound shift RFK’s tenure marks for the course of America, and until very recently, I would have considered something like this speech (and the fact I know he intends to follow through on it) to be completely impossible.

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  28. I’m sensing a tsunami of truth is on the way. I can’t wait, a lot of people need to go to prison.

    How much longer before we get serious about going after the lab source of the debacle that killed 17+ million?

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  29. Japan’s population of 123 million had about 439 million mRNA transfections.

    After the start of mRNA transfections, not only did the rate of cancer increase, but the type of cancer completely changed suggesting a different toxin is the cause.

    Kevin McKernan discusses new Japanese research revealing alarming cancer mortality patterns following mRNA vaccination. The study shows how vaccine-induced cancer profiles completely shifted, with tumors appearing where lipid nanoparticles accumulate. McKernan analyzes pharmaceutical corruption, regulatory capture, and the Bradford Hill criteria supporting causation. The conversation explores RFK Jr.’s HHS appointment, treatment alternatives including cannabinoids and psilocybin, problematic hemp regulation, SSRI dangers, and self-amplifying vaccine risks. McKernan details how excess mortality post-vaccination in Japan now surpasses their 2011 tsunami death toll.

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