By Hideaway: Energy and Electricity

Mirage

Today’s guest post by Hideaway reviews our ‘plan’ to transition off fossil energy, and shows it is in fact a mirage.

Hideaway is a new force active at un-Denial and other sites that discuss energy and overshoot. He focusses on the feasibility of transitioning our energy system, and brings a data-backed, reality-based, adult conversation into a space that is more often than not filled with ignorance, hope, and denial.

As I was writing a post about EROEI, I came across data for energy production and consumption from Our World in Data. It’s all very professionally made and ‘free’ for anyone to use in their energy discussions.

I spotted one problem though, the data presented has a caveat, they use the substitution method for non-fossil fuel generated electricity, and in the fine print this is explained as… “ Substituted primary energy, which converts non-fossil electricity into their ‘input equivalents’: The amount of primary energy that would be needed if they had the same inefficiencies as fossil fuels. This ‘substitution method’ is adopted by the Energy Institute’s Statistical Review of World Energy, when all data is compared in exajoules.”

OK, how do they convert non-fossil energy into fossil fuel equivalents??

This chart provides the conversion factor.

An efficiency factor of 0.4 means that nuclear, hydro, solar, wind, biofuels and other renewables are made to look much larger than they really are by a factor of 2.5 in the following chart.

It suggests we are making good progress at replacing fossil with renewable energy, and that with a bit more effort we can convert all fossil energy to renewable electricity.

As is common in energy discussions today, reality differs from what is presented. The following chart shows electricity production by source.

Notice that total world electricity consumption for 2022, which of course must equal production, is 28,660Twh. Yet the above chart for energy consumption by source shows that nuclear, hydro, solar, wind and other renewables are by themselves 11,100Twh. 

If we divide non-fossil electricity consumed by the 2.5 efficiency factor we get 11,740Twh which is close to the correct amount of non-fossil electricity produced. I say close because the energy from non-fossil sources adds up to 641Twh more than that shown on the electricity production chart, so this extra energy must be used for some other purpose, but has still been treated as 2.5 times more efficient.

From the above chart we see 10,212Twh of electricity from coal and 6,443Twh of electricity from gas, and we can calculate how much of the total oil and gas production was used for electricity by multiplying by 2.5.

From the 44,854Twh of total world coal consumption we used 25,525Twh for electricity, and 19,329Twh for other purposes. Likewise for the 39,412Twh of total world gas consumption we used 16,107Twh for electricity and 23,305Twh for other purposes.

With oil we only produced 904Twh of electricity. Assuming the same 40% efficiency for oil as coal and gas, then only 2,260Twh of oil was used for electricty and 50,710Twh was used for other purposes.

We can now complete the following table and use it for assessing how our energy transition is going.

Total primary energy production is 134,313Twh of which wind and solar contribute 3,408Twh or 2.5%.

Electricity is 21.3% of total energy, and fossil fuels produces 61.3% of electricity.

Only 8.2% of total energy comes from nuclear, hydro, solar, wind, and other renewables, and the remaining 91.8% comes from fossil fuels and traditional biomass.

The following chart illustrates this graphically. Blue is all non-electricity energy, orange is electricity from fossil fuels, and grey is electricity from all other sources.

The world is currently trying to replace fossil fuel produced electricity (orange) with electricity from nuclear, hydro, solar, wind and other ‘sustainable’ methods (grey). It is not possible to manufacture, install, or maintain more ‘sustainable’ energy (grey) without fossil fuels. Even the newest mines and factories require fossil fuels in many forms.

There is no plan for the non-electricity portion of energy (blue).

Let’s now consider how fossil fuel and traditional biomass use has changed over time. Are we getting anywhere?

Traditional Biomass was 100% of energy used, according to Our World in Data (OWiD), until coal started to be used in the year 1800 at 1.7% of total energy. Interestingly, they attribute no energy to water power, wind (sails), or animals, perhaps because they were too small or hard to measure.

Fossil Fuels (FF) and Traditional Biomass (TB) contributed 100% of total energy until 1920 when Hydro contributed 1%.

The contribution of FF and TB to total energy changed as follows:

  • <1920 100%
  • 1920 99%
  • 1940 99.2%
  • 1960 98.4%
  • 1980 97.6%
  • 1990 95.2%
  • 2000 94.4%
  • 2010 94.3%
  • 2020 92.1%
  • 2022 91.8%

Most energy analyses lump TB in the mix without paying much attention to the size of its contribution. At 11,111Twh, as measured by OWiD, TB is a larger source of energy than nuclear, hydro, wind, solar and biofuels combined! TB is not going to be replaced by any other type of energy. Most energy analyses place TB on the other side of the ledger from FF, when in fact TB should be added to the FF side, as it is burnt and adds to greenhouse gasses.

The following chart shows the total contribution of energy from non-FF or TB, with columns 1-4 representing the period 1990-2020, and column 5 is what is ‘expected’ to happen by 2050.

We can see how little decarbonization progress we have made over the last 30 years, and the extraordinary progress we expect to make over the next 26 years, towards achieving our climate goals.

Now let’s consider fossil energy used as feedstock for products, and high heat applications.

There are around 1,100 million tonnes of coking coal mined, 700 million tonnes of oil products, plus vast quantities of gas (I couldn’t find the quantity of gas used as feedstock for products or high heat applications) to make 430 million tonnes of plastics, 240 million tonnes of ammonia (fertilizer), 160 million tonnes of asphalt, plus huge amounts of high end heat for cement and steel production, and hundreds of other products and high heat applications.

OWiD does not provide data on energy used for product feedstocks, or high heat, or normal heating, or transportation, or agriculture, or mining. It’s a huge weakness in all energy calculations.

Product feedstocks, by themselves, are a huge gap in our plan for an electricity only future. A world based on renewables would have to make these products from captured carbon, because there is no unused biomass, and we cannot increase our use of biomass without causing significant further damage to the natural world that sustains us. Only if we were willing to decimate remaining forests could we replace fossil fuel products with biomass, especially as world food demand is expected to go up by 60-70% by 2050 according to the FAO.

The only example of using renewable energy to create synthetic fuel, which is the base for all fossil fuel products, is the Haru Oni plant in Southern Chile. It has a 3.4Mw Siemens Gamesa wind turbine with an expected 70% capacity factor producing an expected 20,848Mwh of electricity per year. The first ‘commercial’ (sic) shipment of e-fuels was just sent 11 months after beginning operation, and 8 months after declaring commercial operations, of 24,600 litres. That is a process efficiency of only 1.77%, assuming an annual production of 36,900 litres, without considering the energy expended in the capital ($US75M), or operating and maintenance costs (unknown or not released).

Assuming we had to make ‘products’ from this process, replacing the Coking Coal 1.1Bt = roughly 7,700Twh, plus approximately 10% of a barrel of oil (using all liquids), another 6,205Twh, the raw energy needed from renewables to do this at a 1.77% efficiency rate would be 785,000Twh, or nearly 5 times current annual energy production from all sources!!

This is before adding the energy needed to mine, process, manufacture, and transport the materials required to build it all!!

It’s a ridiculous idea.

Considering I didn’t include the products from natural gas, or any capital, operating, or maintenance costs, and even assuming significant improvements in efficiency, it’s not even close to being possible.

One final calculation to further expose the mirage.

To make the products from renewable energy, with a Haru Oni type efficiency, would require over 1.8B tonnes of copper for the energy production side of the operation, based on 5 tonnes per Mwh of a solar power plant, and over 5 hrs/day of sunshine. This would consume 100% of our current copper production for about 80 years.

Modern civilization is a complex system. It has systems within systems, and a complexity far too high for anyone to understand as a whole. Our discussions and plans for continuing modern civilization after changing from fossil to renewable energy usually concentrate on one minor part of the overall system. It’s the only way to get an answer that looks plausible.

When multiple feedback loops are considered, it becomes obvious that we do not have the energy nor materials to keep modern civilization going for all. Unless of course, the real plan is to retain modern civilization for only a very small portion of humanity, much smaller than present…

February 15, 2024

Rob here, there are many interesting comments by Hideaway below that expand on his energy and materials analysis.

I found one comment particularly interesting because it introduced Hideaway’s background and the life path that led him to his current clear-eyed view of our overshoot predicament.

I’ve copied that comment here for better visibility.

I first learnt about limits to growth in 1975 in my first year of an Environmental Studies course. I’ve been studying and researching everything about energy and resources for decades. My wife and I moved to the country 40 years ago onto a block of land and started farming.

I was the state secretary of an organic farming group and on the certifying committee over 30 years ago. Virtually all organic, biodynamic, permaculture, regenerative properties I came across had similar characteristics. The profitable ones used lots of off property resources, which I argued was unsustainable, because of diesel use etc. I left the organic movement, also decades ago, because there was nothing really sustainable about it.

I was a believer in a renewable future for decades, always believing it was only a matter of time until they became better and cheaper than fossil fuels, which were clearly depleting. I had an accident 15 years ago, and since then have had way more time to do research than just about anyone. I really got stuck into working out how mines could go ‘green’ until I just couldn’t make the numbers work. (BTW I also had some economics and geology in my tertiary studies, but have learnt way more on both subjects in the last 15 years).

Eventually I reluctantly did my own calculations on EROEI because I just couldn’t find anything with an unbiased approach that came close to making sense. I’ve been against nuclear for decades, mainly because of humanities failure to deal with wastes and the nuclear bombs we create, so I very reluctantly calculated the EROEI using my method and was stunned at the results.

I use to be a believer in the 100:1 EROEI that everyone in favor of nuclear constantly states (before I worked it out for myself). The reality is nothing like that, it’s pitiful worse than solar and wind, which instantly made me realise that modern civilization is not sustainable any any way, shape or form.

I also kept checking the numbers I calculated for Saudi oil and a small gas project in WA. Sure enough these came to the rough numbers we need for modernity, but of course fossil fuels are leaving us due to depletion, they are a dead end anyway, even before we consider climate issues.

All my work, over years, has given me a point of reference for when the world as we know it is in real trouble. It’s when the oil extraction decline accelerates to the downside. Everything runs on oil, especially farming and mining and heavy transport. The world falls to pieces without any of these, once they struggle to get the diesel/bunker fuel they need, collapse is baked in. A date of when? no idea, but suspect we will know by higher oil prices and a failure to respond with greater oil production, then the next year a further decline in oil production, while oil prices remain high etc.

Not even coal can save modernity, the EROEI is too low. Even if we went on a massive Coal to Liquids campaign, the energy return for the cost is way too low. When coal was last king we had approximately a 70% rural population even in the west, now we have multiples of the overall population, mostly in cities, and badly degraded agricultural land.

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paqnation
February 20, 2024 10:26 pm

Question. Is Marromai still roaming on this site? I just read his guest essay, A Purpose in Life. Damn that was good. Felt like he was reading my mind. The comments were just as good, and Robs was the best. I dont have much to say other than: thank you Marromai.

https://un-denial.com/2022/10/21/by-marromai-a-purpose-in-life/

marromai
marromai
Reply to  paqnation
February 21, 2024 12:32 am

Hello paqnation and thank you very much for the praise.
Yes, I check in here regularly. I just don’t comment as often because I’m more preoccupied with myself at the moment – it’s not just our predicament that can be depressing. Everyday things, especially having a wife, can also make life difficult…

AJ
AJ
Reply to  marromai
February 21, 2024 3:51 am

Wow, isn’t that the truth. I struggle every day with the wife thing. Complete denial & cornucopian “thinking”.
AJ

Mike Roberts
Reply to  AJ
February 21, 2024 7:25 pm

Hah! Well, I’m fortunate in that my wife is more or less in step with my thinking though hasn’t really engaged with it in depth. I suppose that if she, and the rest of my extended family in NZ, were totally on board, we’d do something a bit more radical to prepare as best we could. But there is always the chance that at least two of those generations might not have to cope with significant deterioration of the environment or with our global technological civilisation (or even local economy), so radical actions may be left for the youngest of us.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2024 5:42 am

Wow, this video was hopium end to end. As if even a limited nuclear exchange would not collapse civilization and lead to possible extinction. This is truly for the collapse. unaware and uninformed optimists.
AJ

Mike Roberts
February 20, 2024 4:28 pm

I’ve been thinking about MORT recently and trying to figure out what it means to have a mutation of such a reality denial trait happen in the human genome. This implies that before the mutation, all humans (or the human species generally) didn’t deny unpleasant realities that they were aware of.

What unpleasant realities would they have been aware of? What would pre-mutation humans have done differently? Did the mutation benefit those with that trait, to the expense of those without it? Any mutation has to be beneficial for it to become a dominant trait. Neutral mutations may be passed on, but at random so would not become dominant. If the mutation was beneficial (as it must have been) then there should be no expectation of the mutation being deleted, unless such deletion (via another mutation) is advantageous to those with the deletion, compared to those without it. So would the deleted out-compete the undeleted? Hard to think that would be the case.

This is just a ramble as I try to think of how the mutation might have come about, what a reversal might mean, and how poorly adapted the pre-mutation humans might have been by comparison. Any mutation must be beneficial to become dominant. I still think that it might not have been a mutation but just a feature of being a species.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 6:31 pm

Oh. Then, yes, I don’t understand it. You keep mentioning this one mutation, but I see two had to happen simultaneously. However, I could think of those two mutations as one mutation, if they happened simultaneously and it would have to have resulted in a more capable human within that one tribe. How would those two mutations have made the bearer of them better able to reproduce than the rest of the tribe?

monk
Reply to  Mike Roberts
February 20, 2024 7:49 pm

One successful male in a leadership position = lots of babies

paqnation
Reply to  Mike Roberts
February 20, 2024 8:42 pm

Dont feel bad Mike. I’m right there with you. Your original post is exactly some of the questions I’ve thought about (but I would not have been able to word it as good as you)

There is no doubt in my mind that Rob understands MORT up and down. But thats why I think it’s such a tough sell. Very hard to teach and grasp. (and Rob is probably right now shaking his head saying “no its not, cmon you guys” lol)

Mike Roberts
Mike Roberts
Reply to  paqnation
February 21, 2024 1:12 pm

I’m reading Varki’s Denial “book” right now to get a better understanding. Will comment when finished, so don’t want to pre-judge it. It may or may not be hard to grasp but it’s hard to understand (if that can make sense). So far, the big questions seem, for me, to be answered by the fact that humans are a species. I wonder if anything would be different if those mutations hadn’t happened.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 21, 2024 1:22 pm

Oh. Thanks. I was only a few pages through, so hopefully I can speed through the early sections of the update. (Yes, Anonymous, above, was me.)

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 4:14 pm

It’s simple, the US MIC needs to have a potent enemy to justify the spending, and hence wealth of those owning/running it. Of course they are the largest donors to both political parties, and if either political party put up a candidate that actually wanted and sort peace, then all funding would go against that person/people.

There are some staggering insights from Prof Jeffrey Sachs and I suggest everyone watch it as quick as possible before there is some lame excuse of why it’s taken down….

CampbellS
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 6:10 pm

Brilliant. Going to share that with my old colleagues in the sustainability field who are hanging on to the “magic” of the circular economy.

Shawn
Shawn
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 3:04 pm

I have often wondered whether the journal editors are acting in their own self-interests, or the interests of the “tribe” they perceive themselves to be a part of, or if they are somehow “pledged” to CIA or MI5 etc. If you wanted to some control the narrative on what is “legitimate” science it would help to have some influence over these publications. In this context I cannot quite figure out why some of the journals have gone “woke.” Maybe it is all just about just about “mind viruses” combined with our deep tribalism and the need for shared beliefs. It the case of COVID, it could just be that medical journal editors etc. can sense where the acceptable “Overton window” of acceptable discourse and are not prepared to be the ones that edge out of that window.

The COVID damn/acceptable discourse window seems to be breaking however. In the past few days, there has been some headline coverage in mainstream news sites on a large study documenting vaccine harms. However, I suspect no mea culpas or formal withdrawal of the vaccines until after the November elections in the U.S.A. (Politics over health). It was the U.S.A. after all that drove the design of the virus, and drove the use of the mRNA vaccines without the normal safety tests over multiple years.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 4:01 pm

” … you must check for conflicts of interest”
Across the board, the need for due diligence always increases, while the ability to do so, decreases.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 20, 2024 9:35 am

Rob, have you ever studied modern philosophy, a.k.a. MORT on steroids? I think it will answer a lot of your questions…

“The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it.” – Karl Marx

Stellarwind72
Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 7:33 pm

Isn’t that a pyramid scheme?

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 10:11 pm

When your tweet got to 11 views I laughed.

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 11:18 pm

I was thinking the same, and working on my EROEI article (book?). I keep writing and calculating different bits, but it is going to be long, perhaps I can break it into 2? Nothing really ready yet, lots of thoughts and calculations all over the place in no set order yet. I keep getting distracted writing comments to ignorant posts (and some great ones) on POB and other sites, plus keep reading lots.

Interestingly, there are virtually no ignorant people posting on your pages Rob, people here understand overshoot, way more than most sites, even the doomer sites.

One aspect I try to do is keep looking at papers and videos about a bright shiny green future, nearly as much as the ‘doomer’ sites, just to keep a perspective on if I’m missing something. I usually find there is a hand wave about something as if one important aspect (like all the hydrogen electrolysers and the stainless steel needed for piping, transport and storage just grows on trees, etc). Just yesterday I watched a video by a professor Julia Steinberger and virtually ended up yelling at the screen because of the sheer stupidity of ignoring feedback loops and hand waves of very real problems.

BTW from an earlier comment you made up thread about none of the overshoot aware people understanding denial, I’ve seen Bill Rees mention people denying reality a few times on videos, especially in the Q+A sessions he’s involved in. In one of Jack Alpert’s videos of his plan on the CACOR site, he asked Jack how it would be possible to overcome people’s denial of a problem at all, and they had a conversation about that. From snippets in various videos, I’m pretty sure Bill Rees is right on board the thinking here and knows it’s way too late to do anything really positive.

In regard to Erik Michaels, I’m sorry he didn’t acknowledge his sources of information from you, but he seems to be as accurate in his understanding as anyone. I have read quite a bit of ‘his’? work. He also does acknowledge you at least some of the time like in this bit, linking to here…
“Another post from Rob Mielcarski points out how energy and denial have brought us to this point” https://un-denial.com/2015/11/12/undenial-manifesto-energy-and-denial/.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 10:41 am

Hey Rob, I have an idea that might be interesting for a guest essay. I could probably have it done tonight when I get off work. How should I send it to you?

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 1:21 pm

The following looks like great minds think alike:

Eliot Jacobson, Ph.D. (February 2024) Ain’t Gonna’ Happen
https://climatecasino.net/2024/02/aint-gonna-happen/
This list arose from the almost daily onslaught of “we must”, “we should”, “we have to”, “if only we” and “if we don’t” aspirational rhetoric that floods mass media, climate journalism and social networks. This list is also inspired by Michael Dowd’s concept of “The Almighty We“ and my previous essay titled “The Tyranny of We.“

Tim Watkins (January 2024) A small and deceptive word
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2024/01/30/a-small-and-deceptive-word/
The point being that whenever an activist, politician or journalist uses words like “ought,” “could,” “should,” and “can,” what they most often mean is “can’t.” … Because these antonyms are almost always preceded by another deceptive word… “we.”

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 12:12 pm

B is on fire lately. He just squashed my fantasy of some civilization in the universe successfully making it thru their fossil energy era. Looks like it’s impossible to avoid quadrant #4.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 3:20 pm

I just read your essay. Excellent (most impressive to me is that its from 2015). Got me wondering why I never heard about you and this website (ever) during my four year journey down this collapse rabbit hole. Erik Michaels is the reason I found you and that was only a month ago (of course it could be recency bias and maybe your name did come up during my journey, but I never took notice).

This essay should have been read by Dowd on his soundcloud site. IDK, maybe you rub people the wrong way. But I get the sense that you are a good person (you’re not rude to people in comments, and I dont see any “waste of time” content).

Maybe MORT is just not sexy enough and its too hard to sell it.

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 8:04 pm

Gail Tverberg had very good words to say about you Rob. That is how I found your site some 8 yrs ago now.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 8:30 pm

I agree with Tverberg and wonder if that was her position before the end of TheOilDrum.com pre October 2013.

Temporary excursions above the ceiling are only possible when credit is available – less so contemporaneously.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 4:00 pm

Yeah, Gail Tverberg does some great analysis. Her failings are that she often misrepresents climate models (as well as being something of a denier) and she frequently spoils her analysis by thinking a higher power could well step in and save us from collapse.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Mike Roberts
February 20, 2024 4:07 pm

This perspective is spot on.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 3:55 pm

Wow! That really sucks. Selfishly, I hope it does not affect my liking of Erik’s stuff.

And dont sell yourself short… you are a great writer

AJ
AJ
Reply to  paqnation
February 19, 2024 4:13 pm

Agreed. And In defense of Erik, he seems to link to you more and more in recent posts. Your writing is great. I just think that most people don’t like to deal with the population reduction problem. And denial of unpleasant realities are part of what make up most people’s personality.
AJ

Hideaway
Hideaway
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 5:47 pm

For once I disagree strongly with something you have written….

“I prefer to connect dots between people much smarter than me.”

I would suggest many of the people you are referring to are not in any way ‘smarter’ than you. They might have done more research or be better educated in a particular field, but that does not make them smarter.
Your own research has lead you to some very clear analyses and IMHO you have a great grasp on reality. a lot of the people that appear terrifically knowledgeable about something like climate change for instance, then become really dumb with their ‘solutions’ as you have already pointed out.

I use to think the same way, but ditched the thinking about others being smarter than me long ago. Yes they might be better educated in a particular area, but that never makes them smarter. Once I’m really confident about my knowledge in any area/topic these days, I’m not afraid to take on professors or whoever if/when they start talking nonsense or deliberately leave out important facts/details.

Please Rob, don’t sell yourself short ever, just get better educated in whatever field you think is important to concentrate on. Likewise for everyone else on this forum, none of you are dumb or stupid people I keep learning from everyone..

For instance a simple little comment by Hamish a couple of weeks ago, for me added another important part of the overall picture, ” all taxes are carbon taxes” still reverberates in my mind as being so important to remember in the big picture.

I try to ignore the unimportant stuff, being very aware that more mistakes (or deliberate actions) will get worse as the overshoot problem manifests itself. It’s easy to get caught up and distracted by every conspiracy out there or all the covid stuff, or even climate change. The whole lot are symptoms of our overshoot and I’d expect more distractions from all sorts of different areas to crop up in the near future, often out of left field, possibly deliberately done to distract thinking people from the overall predicament we are in.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 7:53 pm

Swoon, blush!

I recall, it was a response to Sabine Hossenfelder’s “we need a carbon tax” and questioning (paraphrased) “what is the point of being a Youtube star, if your pension is going kaput”.

Reality is much darker:
We need to ask ourselves some simple questions. What does government do with taxes, it spends them. Is it possible to spend any money, anywhere, in any way – that does not cause more energy consumption?

Michael C. Ruppert knew and understood.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 8:17 pm

It is axiomatic, carbon taxes are self defeating.

ABC
ABC
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 2:11 am

Dear Rob,

I hope you are well.

A). Your existence & this website have been fundamental.
– Rob, you are a library & beacon.

Truly, thank you for your all of your contributions.

B). MORT
– Is it a gene (variable) or a hardwired cognitive mechanism (constant)?

My perspective:
– Constant
– A hardwired cognitive mechanism.

example; (why breaking habits is difficult.)

Adjusting neural pathways requires more effort than to operate on “autopilot”.

On top of that there is the complexity of how nature & nurture affects h.sapiens, increasing and/or reinforcing certain traits.
– ie. Darwinism.

Kind & warm regards,

ABC

ABC
ABC
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 4:59 pm

Dear Rob,

I appreciate your response.



A) Regarding MORT, you assumed my question correctly.
A hardwire problem, although without empirical evidence we cannot say for certain what or how the phenomena occurs.
– 
I suppose the logical step would be to contact Dr.Ajit Varki and ask him to elaborate further.



B) For you to consider a fool such as myself worthy of an guest essay is quite the surprise.

A compliment which any odd visitor ought to humbly accept with gratitude.
– I cannot deny it does interest me, alas for now I must restrain myself.

C) Would it be possible for us to have an online meeting and converse?
– I’d be honoured to discuss these various subjects.




Warm & kind regards, 



ABC




Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 9:06 pm

“Forests precede civilizations and deserts follow them.”

Many semiarid areas will no longer support agriculture in the not so distant future.
According to a video I posted on this in this comment page, Iraq has lost 70% of it’s farmland.

weogo
weogo
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 5:00 am
monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 20, 2024 12:21 pm

“Forests precede civilizations and deserts follow them.” I first heard this from Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith. Not sure if they’re the original authors

monk
Reply to  monk
February 20, 2024 12:23 pm

Oh it was François-René de Chateaubriand 🙂

Stellarwind72
February 19, 2024 12:44 am

Digital Technologies have an ecological footprint.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 19, 2024 2:13 am

110 views in a month. Over an hour in length. The host (Eric Olson) was good, clear voice, good editing, reasonable questions. The guest (Pitron), is not English first language, needs a much better microphone / room.

There are four embedded adverts.

For a lay person with almost zero knowledge, the video might be useful.

At the 50′ mark, the host literally describes Jevons paradox, but doesn’t use that term, neither does the guest.

When asked what can people do, to reduce their digital ecological impact – Pitron responds (paraphrased):
– keep devices for longer (because of embedded energy)
– watch videos at lower resolution.
– etc.

A few years ago I might have also expected:
– buy the cheapest device that works for you
– or cell phones, get a prepaid MVNO deal (Ultra Mobile, Mint Mobile, etc.)

But that was before I realized, it doesn’t make any difference.

Hamish McGregor
Reply to  Hamish McGregor
February 19, 2024 2:27 am

Copy and paste from above :

OK friends, let’s recap world affairs…

All ecosystems and other species are in rapid decline.

** The climate is warming much faster than expected because we underestimated CO2 sensitivity and aerosol masking.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 3:49 am

Yes, I think there is a good chance the U.S. will walk away from a Russian victory in Ukraine (and just let the MSM ignore it). Biden has so many domestic issues and the Blob has other fish to fry (who to elect as Biden’s replacement, keeping the economy from imploding, staving off a civil war). But as Chuck Watson has said many times “Proud Prophet” war gaming showed all scenarios led to escalation and a nuclear exchange.

However, I think Netanyahu is insane (or just cornered) and has no way out other than escalating. When Hezbollah starts seriously entering the fray and Israeli losses go up dramatically (and rockets rain down on Israeli cities); Israel will probably resort to nuking Iran and then all bets are off for restraining Russia and China.

Hopefully I am wrong.
AJ

paqnation
February 18, 2024 8:07 pm

Was reading some of your older posts and saw some comments from Michael Dowd. Was entertaining. And pretty tame compared to other Dowd comments I’ve seen. There are some old reddit forums where he is cursing up a storm and viciously attacking people that don’t agree with him. I actually like to see this because even Dowd could not stay in that perfect “collapse – true acceptance” space that we are all striving for. I can’t get there at all but gives me some comfort to know that even my “hero” fell off the wagon sometimes. But ya, it looks like he finally caved in on the “thousands of cultures living sustainably by choice” thing.

Rob (and Gail),

I sincerely apologize to both of you for my arrogant and combative attitude in the comments above. Just in the last few days I’ve read the last few samples of my friend and colleague Richard Adrian Reese’s book-in-process, “Wild, Happy, and Free”: http://wildancestors.blogspot.com/ and I’m now convinced that the position both of you have been articulating — even though I don’t hold it exactly as you do — is, in fact, a solid, evidence-based historically valid position. It’s humbling for me to admit, of course, that my ‘know-it-all’ dismissive attitude is uncalled for and, indeed, counterproductive.

Ah…life’s learnings come in all shapes and sizes. … Keep up the great work!

~ Michael

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 8:23 pm

Ya, I am in the middle of that Gail interview right now (and loving it!)
And sorry, I meant to post my original comment under the Gail post.

Hideaway
Hideaway
February 18, 2024 7:20 pm

The latest from Alice Friedemann at Energy Skeptic.
https://energyskeptic.com/2024/what-percent-of-americans-are-rational/

The odds of avoiding collapse back to nearly nothing are totally overwhelming given the stupid beliefs of most people. Given the percentages of so many wacky things people believe, what hope is there for reality to prevail?

There is obviously something causing human irrationality, denial of reality is very, very real. Denial is obviously very comforting in all facets of existence and had to provide some type of advantage to early humans. Humans definitely have a delusional trait and being a ‘gene’ is as good an excuse as any.

Think of a young child 100,000 years ago, who is able to walk independently. They have to believe whatever the parents or elders of the group say, as in wherever to go, those that don’t, quickly get separated from the group and are easy prey. Clear survival benefit for those that just believe following others ‘knowledge’ is correct.

The denial mechanism/gene might be something to do with the time it takes for a human child to grow into an adult. The very mechanism that made humans so successful on this planet, is highly likely to be the same mechanism that brings about our destruction.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Hideaway
February 18, 2024 7:49 pm

It’s hard to think of humans as just another species. It could be the desire to think of humans as special (in a biological sense) that leads to a search for the reason why humans do such stupid things. But Occam’s Razor may apply; humans are a species.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 8:58 pm

I doubt anyone thinks humans aren’t unusual, as a species. Many species are. But, yes, they certainly have a lot of odd behaviours, which probably supports a view that they, somehow, aren’t really a species, doing species things. Derrick Jensen’s book, The Myth of Human Supremacy isn’t exactly what you’re referring to but is a good book to rid of the notion that humans are special.

Rob, I realise this can be a delicate subject. Certainly humans exhibit mental traits which effectively deny the reality of what our actions are doing. But I think that can be explained in species terms. Why do you think it can’t?

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 9:21 pm

Or the reverse. Mind you, it might be that all humans are defective. God needs to try again. Humans Mk 2.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 6:35 am

First time listening to Gail. For it being 6 years ago she really had put everything together quite well. She appeared to be quite close to where Tom Murphy is now. The only problem was she didn’t identify the U.S. as a potential problem in destroying the world and identified herself as a liberal. The chance that we destroy ourselves by a nuclear war didn’t seem to be in her lexicon. Denial at work? Otherwise an excellent interview.
AJ

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 7:49 pm

Ya, I enjoyed this interview a lot. Made me look for more. Surprisingly, I’ve had her lovely “The silent war on trees redux” bookmarked for years. Found a good radio interview with video from a hot air balloon on her channel from 2011. She reminds me of Donella Meadows and Mary Evelyn Tucker because I can listen to these people talk about anything. (their voices are just so relaxing)

Do you know of any other interviews with Gail?

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 9, 2024 3:37 pm

Hey Rob. I was able to find those 2 episodes of Radio Ecoshock. And I read your favorite Gail works from the link. One of these days I might take you up on your kind offer for those 26 episodes.

Question. Do you know if Gail personally knew David Graeber? Heard her talking about Occupy wall street and it got me curious.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
March 9, 2024 6:42 pm

She was quite a character. Wish I had known her. You were lucky. With each interview/article I just end up liking her even more. And that was a real good tribute by James Galasyn. A couple things had me smiling from ear to ear:

In later years, her prolific writing tapered off. She once told me, “How many different ways can you say, ‘We’re fucked’?”

Her stubborn insistence on considering mass tree die-off as part of the climate change problem earned her a lifetime ban from the RealClimate blog.

The details of how she was highly critical of Dmitry Orlov’s speech at the Age of Limits conference.

God bless you Gail. RIP

paqnation
February 18, 2024 2:28 pm

Found this song from an old Michael Dowd comment on reddit. I dont love it, but great concept and lyrics.

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 12:29 pm

I wonder if the more peak oil reality hits us in the face, the more the abiotic oil paradigm will spread…

nikoB
nikoB
Reply to  monk
February 18, 2024 1:39 pm

The easiest reply to abiotic oil is to agree to the concept but just state that the refilling time is 1000’s x slower than the extraction time. THat way you agree with them but still show it is useless. Always ask for an example of a oil deposit that has been extracted that has come back to full capacity. There isn’t one.

Of course all of this requires interacting with an idiot so why bother.

monk
Reply to  nikoB
February 18, 2024 4:19 pm

I’ve tried that, but they’re all convinced the refill rate is whatever time suits their denial gene. You also get a lot of people who I suspect were laborers who worked in oil fields, and say they remember so and so field being closed up until it refilled. Any geologist / engineer will know that’s just the pressure rebuilding and doesn’t prove the earth is making more oil. I’ve just started saying these people are no different to flat earthers and I’m convinced a lot of them are fake accounts / paid to disrupt peak oil spaces.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  monk
February 18, 2024 3:00 pm

I’ve noticed an uptick in such references. I wonder how they deal with the fact that crude oil production peaked in November 2018 (so far)?

monk
Reply to  Mike Roberts
February 18, 2024 4:20 pm

They seriously are as dumb as flatearthers

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 4:51 pm

Most of the comments are about abiotic oil and the climate change hoax.

I wonder if the more peak oil reality hits us in the face, the more the abiotic oil paradigm will spread

Biophysical reality couldn’t care less about what Zerohedge readers think.

Stellarwind72
February 17, 2024 7:48 pm

Iraq has Lost 70% of its Farmland

monk
Reply to  Stellarwind72
February 18, 2024 4:30 pm

scary

paqnation
February 17, 2024 1:30 pm

I’m reluctant to share this because artsy films are so love/hate. But this movie was so good I can’t help myself. Its themes and monologues are sure to interest some of you. ‘The Wall’ (2012). Filmed in beautiful Austria. Incorrectly labeled as a sci-fi thriller, it’s more about isolation, nature and survival. The way the story is told, feels like you’re reading a book. Free on a few streaming platforms. I watched it on Tubi.

(here’s a sample of the excellent writing)
“I pity animals and I pity people because they are thrown into this life without being consulted. Maybe people are more deserving of pity because they have just enough intelligence to resist the natural cause of things. It has made them malicious and desperate. And not very loveable. And yet life could have been lived differently. There’s no impulse more reasonable than love. It makes life more bearable for the loving and the loved one. But we should’ve recognized in time that this was our only chance, our only hope for a better life. For an endless army of the dead, mankind’s only chance has vanished forever. I keep thinking about that. I can’t understand why we had to take the wrong path. I only know, it’s too late.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_(2012_film)

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 19, 2024 12:18 am

Glad you enjoyed it. Ya, my main takeaway was that modern humans are the only species (in history) that do not belong here. But your website is slowly making me adjust the start date to 100-200k years ago.

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 4:37 pm

yes, to make more money silly

cheesecake dressing
cheesecake dressing
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 2:38 pm

Maybe Lee will turn out to be the one full of useless ideas.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 8:24 pm

I thought autism had been increasing for years? Perhaps due to the cocktail of chemicals in the air that ramps up continuously.

If string theory hasn’t gained much traction, that could be a good enough reason for not seeing rebuttals. Doesn’t mean it’s not correct but I think there would need to be wider knowledge of the theory for others to feel it worth rebutting, if they have heard of it at all.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 2:46 pm

Yes, definitely on the rise for a long time. Regarding the correlation with some potential factor, as you know, that doesn’t prove causation at all. It’s also correlated with economic growth and population growth.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 3:04 pm

Unusual deaths? But, regarding autism, the increase should be investigated, or at least factors that may cause autism should be investigated. I’ve a feeling it already is; I’ll take a look.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 4:31 pm

I couldn’t find anything that didn’t emanate from a health body but there is little consensus on the causes with the possible vaccine link being ruled out. A Lancet 2013 paper by Andrew Wakefield, suggesting a link between Thimerosal, a preservative in some vaccines, and autism, was later withdrawn. Thimerosal has not been used in childhood vaccinations since 2001, though (other than the flu vaccine). A common theme seems to be that doctors are becoming more aware of autism and so are diagnosing the condition more readily than in the past, not that this is the only cause of the increase. Exposure to pollutants during pregnancy was also mentioned and pollution with chemicals has increased. However, there are probably thousands of activities that have increased over the decades which are correlated with each other but not causative.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 7:38 pm

No, but I did see a WHO estimate of 1 in 100 autism rate worldwide. At the time, a CDC estimate (not WHO estimate) for the US was 1 in 50.

Regarding rising deaths, in NZ that hasn’t been the case, beyond expected from a growing and ageing population (in fact age-standardised deaths are lower than before COVID-19). I don’t know about other countries apart from Australia which also doesn’t have a rise when population growth is accounted for.

monk
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 4:36 pm

There is also possibly a link between autism and oxalates, which definitely needs more research.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 8:31 pm

I don’t blame him for keeping quiet. He gets swamped with hate e-mails and death threats whenever he writes about Russia/Ukraine. In the State Department, those with dissenting R/U opinions keep quiet — it’s all Ukraine-good-Russia-bad all the time.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 18, 2024 8:31 am

Hi Rob,

Always remember that Col. Wilkerson is pro vaccine. He castigated US Service members that refused to take the jab. Consequently, I parse his positions very carefully because he has significant blind spots. I suspect that he took the vaccine though I do not remember seeing a video were he said so publicly.

Becky
Becky
Reply to  Anonymous
September 9, 2025 2:27 am

Col. Wilkerson was right to demand everyone be vaccinated. The unscientific, frankly dangerous opposition on this site to a clearly vital response to a dangerous virus makes me doubt the veracity of everything else here.

Stellarwind72
February 16, 2024 9:22 pm

Why Gaza May Be The End Of The West

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 7:23 am

I’ve said it before, the Israelis have morphed from the victims of Nazism to being the perpetrators of genocide. It all goes along with the belief that you are superior to all other people. Hubris before the fall.
AJ

monk
Reply to  AJ
February 18, 2024 4:56 pm

The languaging they use to describe gaza people is horrific.

AJ
AJ
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 6:28 am

I fault everyone even myself for going along with this mRNA junk. I was well aware of the failures of Gene therapy, 10 to 20 years ago. Since it held so much promise for big pharma, it was rebranded as mRNA and rushed out in the pandemic. If I had spent a little more time researching it, I would never have done even the first shot, so let’s call it what it is, Novel (failed before), gene therapy.
After listening to this excellent podcast, I have no doubt that all of us are now in the database to be removed if and when the deep state takes complete control. Edward Snowden and Julian Assange have been trying to warn us about all of this, and look where it’s gotten them.
AJ

Stellarwind72
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 6:06 am

The “Ethical” Skeptic appears to be a climate change denier. Even if climate change were not a problem we would still have to deal with all the other symptoms of overshoot including but not limited to:
Ocean Acidification
6th Mass Extinction
Depletion of Non Renewable Resources
Deforestation
Physical Water Scarcity
Top Soil Erosion

It is quite sad that most critics of the Covid vaccines are climate change deniers. You and John Michael Greer seem to be among the few exceptions. By denying climate change, critics of the vaccines destroy their credibility.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 17, 2024 7:04 am

Per capita:
In 1861~1865, with a US population of about 31,444,000, and 654,500 civil war deaths, this equals about one death for every 48 people.
Disease caused more deaths than any other cause:
https://www.civilwaracademy.com/civil-war-diseases

In 2020-2024, with a population of about 331,449,000, and 1,252,000 ‘covid’ related deaths, there was about one death for every 264 people.
I don’t know the demographics, but am guessing that in 1860 the average age was lower than it is now. I know some young people are dying now, but Is ‘covid’ mostly a faster harvest of the elderly?

Becky
Becky
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 9, 2025 2:25 am

The COVID-19 vaccine programme saved a huge number of people’s lives. That people commenting here deny good quality science undermines everything they write.

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2024 2:51 pm

Thanks a lot Rob. You got me thinking….. I’m sure most people share my extreme fear of dying from hunger. I hope our collapse is quick (the slow hundred year drawdown version is not even fun to speculate about). The power going out and never coming back on is how I picture it starting. And I’m sure hopium is dripping in full here. I imagine waking up every hour and thinking the power is back on (something like the classic twilight zone episode “The Midnight Sun”). After the nearby stores are completely empty, most of us will just sit in our house and wait till we run out of food/water while simultaneously praying no bad people come knocking.

This is where “community” will shine for some well-prepared people. But not for most of us because “the system” has done a great job at isolating everyone. I dont know any of my neighbors, and they are never outside (in fact my bullshit HOA even has a rule that car garages have to be kept shut). So we are all locked up in our own houses with an occasional opening of the door to pick up yet another delivery of junk from Amazon. This is not “living”. Sid Smith’s newest video touches on how (from an ecological perspective) we humans are a completely different species because of the energy bonanza. It’s so easy to instantly know what he is talking about when you are “collapse aware”. But nobody can break thru to the masses with this “so obvious a child could grasp it” knowledge. But who I am to judge, 5 years ago I would not have understood what Sid was talking about. So maybe the only path is individually, once you have that feeling that something is wrong in the world, then you have to “hope” you are researching the correct rabbit holes. Uggh, we have no chance if that’s what has to happen.

But back to our demise. After our 2-4 week food/water supply runs out (I live with my mom, brother, two cats, one dog), some tough decisions are gonna have to me made. End it all now? Venture out into the unknown? I think thats it for options. I am the only doomer (they are somewhat collapse aware, but only because I cant shut up about it), so it feels like I’ll be the leader of the family. And all that really means is that I’ll probably be the most sane person because I spend my free time on sites like this. I dont think venturing outside is an option (amazing! i’ll be too lazy even at the end of the world). So what then? A nice cozy family suicide? Well even if I am successful at convincing my mom and brother, the hardest part is obviously going thru with it. My exit strategy is inert gas, but I think it’s only enough for one or two of us. The backup plan is the only gun in my household. And just thinking of shooting my animals is enough to get me teary eyed right now. Maybe let the animals loose and into the wild. But that is surely a death sentence for these domesticated, loveable creatures who would have no idea how to hunt for their own food (just like me).

And then there is the “timing” factor. I’m in Arizona. If this happens during our 110-degree days, then forget the 2-4 weeks of supplies, we probably only have a couple days before we melt away. Ahhh, what a lovely story ha?

paqnation
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2024 3:40 pm

Good advice. Reason #1 is how I can even still function at this point. And I was only teasing you. I was well aware prior to finding your wonderful website.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2024 6:22 pm

Yes, I’m amazed at how long the can can be kicked down the road (and has been). One of the things that confuses me is that crude oil (+ condensates) production peaked in November 2018, but, though the decline hasn’t really yet set in, this doesn’t seem to have had a broad effect on global economies. Some are now slipping into recession so maybe this is where the collapse begins in earnest.

I’ve done some things to prepare: moving to a rural property on the edge of a small town and trying to grow as much edible plants and trees as possible, and eating healthily. But I’m under no illusions that I’ll reach my targets before collapse affects me, nor that, even if I do, that will give me and my family more than breathing space to brace for what’s coming.

I guess that if I could persuade my wider family to do whatever we could (I can’t) we’d move to a remote location deep withing a natural forest in the south of the country. However, the local council there would undoubtedly stop us doing anything to set up a home there.

monk
Reply to  paqnation
February 18, 2024 5:14 pm

I moved to the country during Covid. It’s a much harder life living out here and I finally appreciate how nice the suburbs are. If it wasn’t for peak oil, I’d live in the city near a nice beach if I could afford it – and just enjoy life. Damn this lack of denial gene!

Becky
Becky
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
September 9, 2025 2:23 am

“mRNA has degraded already very bad western citizen health” according to very bad science and its far right promoters.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2024 6:03 pm

I know there have been other periods like this but it gets scary when the graph turns almost vertical.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2024 1:00 pm

Yes, it’s likely impossible for 8 billion humans to return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle. However, I suppose the huge numbers of domesticated animals could be released into the wild by tearing down all of the fences.

Your comments about humans wiping out the megafauna prompted a thought. Humans wouldn’t have even known that their hunting was unsustainable, at least not until it was probably too late. However, as we’ve seen, even knowledge of the effects of out behaviours has not prompted a change in them. A species does what species do.

Mike Roberts
Reply to  Rob Mielcarski
February 16, 2024 6:01 pm

What does using our knowledge to our advantage conflict with? Humans are clever and can modify our environment much more quickly and widely that other species but that doesn’t turn them into a not-species.

Becky
Becky
Reply to  Mike Roberts
September 9, 2025 2:21 am

The example of Easter Island shows that, no matter how obvious it is that our behaviour is destroying our future, present comforts lure us into continuing it.

Mike Roberts
February 16, 2024 1:34 am

I just heard of this story where Putin is urging Russian women to have three or more children. In a quick search, he’s been urging this sort of thing for several years.

Charles
Charles
Reply to  Mike Roberts
February 21, 2024 1:53 pm